View Full Version : Hats off to the "D"
buccoray61
09-18-2016, 04:48 PM
Stout against the run,even though they gave up alot of passing yards they gave up nothing deep,held AJ Green in check. Even though the offense was a little under the weather,they,still,came away with a big divisional win. :bungalssuck
Slapstick
09-18-2016, 04:49 PM
They didn't score a TD until 3 minutes left in the game...
SteelCrazy
09-18-2016, 05:05 PM
Bad weather, bad Ben, bad rookie db's, bad Brown, good Williams
Mr.wizard
09-18-2016, 05:42 PM
They played really good, Bengals didn't score until we went into our prevent D.
Iron City Inc.
09-18-2016, 05:57 PM
Was waiting in the 2nd half for us to have nickle just sit on the back because it was all check down Charlie. We need to tighten that up.
Mr.wizard
09-18-2016, 06:07 PM
Was waiting in the 2nd half for us to have nickle just sit on the back because it was all check down Charlie. We need to tighten that up.
We where dropping our middle linebackers deep into the middle of the field and Bernard was killing us out of the backfield, I'm also surprised they didn't account for him. I guess they where ok with letting him catch those short passes but he just had so much space he was able to eat up a lot of yardage.
NorthCoast
09-18-2016, 06:56 PM
Looking at the stat line it sure looks like the defense did its job. Bengals 25% on 3rd down; Dalton measly <7 yds/att.; Green 2 rec for 38 yds. If shutting down passing game was the plan, it worked to a T.
raycafan
09-18-2016, 07:10 PM
Included punting with the D performance, Berry was on fire with his punts. Their returner helped some but he put it the punts where they had to be. Kicking game sure has moved to the positive side of the meter.
BradshawsHairdresser
09-18-2016, 07:27 PM
Steelers were lucky on that last fumble call. The way the Bengals were moving down the field, I was nervous about things ending well.
But we'll take the call, and the win, no?
buccoray61
09-18-2016, 07:55 PM
Bad weather, bad Ben, bad rookie db's, bad Brown, good Williams
Well,even though Ben wasn't'sharp.he still had 3 TD passes today.He is on pace for 48 on the season.:tt1
squidkid
09-18-2016, 08:02 PM
no pressure and bad db play will catch up to us.
fortunate 2 weeks in a row.
ill take it
Mr.wizard
09-18-2016, 08:31 PM
Im not sure what bad db play was going on, I thought the coverage was good.
Slapstick
09-18-2016, 08:36 PM
Looking at the stat line it sure looks like the defense did its job. Bengals 25% on 3rd down; Dalton measly <7 yds/att.; Green 2 rec for 38 yds. If shutting down passing game was the plan, it worked to a T.
They also shut down the Bengals run game...they netted 46 rushing yards...
SS Laser
09-19-2016, 09:40 AM
I agree not enough sacks. But the scheme the last 2 games limits that IMO. I am worried about some of the missed tackles. Burns and Davis both wiffed on one that sticks out in my mind. And for how good Shazier is he either blows up the play or misses the tackle. But I have no gripe on the DB's oh wait I do. Mitchel is going to get fined or worse looking for the big hit or to separate the ball. I love it of course that is football but the rules have changed. I see 2 plays at least he could have been flagged. He has to knock that off. Other then that. The stats speak for themselves! AJ green 38 yards and very little ground game. Means the CB's did there job in the pass and run game.
RobinCole
09-19-2016, 10:13 AM
"Shazier...either blows up the play or misses the tackle." We had another guy like that. Name of Polamalu. I'll take it.
By the way, every player misses tackles, but Shazier managed to lead the team yesterday with eleven tackles MADE.
SteelerOfDeVille
09-19-2016, 10:19 AM
Steelers were lucky on that last fumble call. The way the Bengals were moving down the field, I was nervous about things ending well.
But we'll take the call, and the win, no?
Lucky due to camera angle... the refs made the proper call, all things considered. I was annoyed that Collinsworth kept saying it'd be overturned when he couldn't actually SEE when the ball came out. We can all assume that knee caused it, but, we do not know for fact that it wasn't already moving. Thus, the call on the field has to stand.
In other news, I was pretty pumped to see Hargrave chase down a RB... big boy was MOVING.
SteelerOfDeVille
09-19-2016, 10:22 AM
Im not sure what bad db play was going on, I thought the coverage was good.
agreed...
i do think we're missing Dupree... Hoping he's the one brought back off IR. Do love that rule change allowing one to come back
raycafan
09-19-2016, 11:05 AM
[QUOTE=SteelerOfDeVille;675012]Lucky due to camera angle... the refs made the proper call, all things considered. I was annoyed that Collinsworth kept saying it'd be overturned when he couldn't actually SEE when the ball came out. We can all assume that knee caused it, but, we do not know for fact that it wasn't already moving. Thus, the call on the field has to stand.
I have seen a angle from the side where it looked like he was in the process changing from from his left hand to his right hand as he was making his cut.Just has his knee hit and Harrison hit him it looked like he never had it secured by his right hand.
RuthlessBurgher
09-19-2016, 11:05 AM
agreed...
i do think we're missing Dupree... Hoping he's the one brought back off IR. Do love that rule change allowing one to come back
Dupree, Green, and Golson can all still come back. Bud is the only one of the three on I.R. (has to be out at least 8 weeks). Ladarius is on PUP (has to be out at least 6 weeks). Senquez is still on the 53 man roster...they just make him a gameday inactive like Markus Wheaton, Rosie Nix, Cody Wallace, etc. (can come back any time as soon as he is healthy enough).
SteelerOfDeVille
09-19-2016, 11:50 AM
Dupree, Green, and Golson can all still come back. Bud is the only one of the three on I.R. (has to be out at least 8 weeks). Ladarius is on PUP (has to be out at least 6 weeks). Senquez is still on the 53 man roster...they just make him a gameday inactive like Markus Wheaton, Rosie Nix, Cody Wallace, etc. (can come back any time as soon as he is healthy enough).
knew green was on pup - figured they would IR senquez after they got gilbert... that could all be really interesting with that many young, talented DBs
Oviedo
09-19-2016, 12:11 PM
agreed...
i do think we're missing Dupree... Hoping he's the one brought back off IR. Do love that rule change allowing one to come back
Totally agree. We are getting a little from Moats but nothing from Jones or Harrison. Definitely could use a "fresh" Dupree mid-season
spyboots
09-19-2016, 02:19 PM
Yes, would really like to have Dupree back later in the season. Also noted how the Bungles D seemed more tired out at the end than ours, though.
squidkid
09-19-2016, 02:58 PM
Im not sure what bad db play was going on, I thought the coverage was good.
366 yards passing allowed
54 pass atttempts
no interceptions
2 PI
and pretty bad tackling..........
if that is considered good, i hate to see what a bad game is gonna look like
feltdizz
09-19-2016, 03:09 PM
366 yards passing allowed
54 pass atttempts
no interceptions
2 PI
and pretty bad tackling..........
if that is considered good, i hate to see what a bad game is gonna look like
I noticed you didn't add the rushing yards, fumble recovery and the lack of TD's.
seems pretty good to me.
Captain Lemming
09-19-2016, 03:32 PM
366 yards passing allowed
54 pass atttempts
no interceptions
2 PI
and pretty bad tackling..........
if that is considered good, i hate to see what a bad game is gonna look like
A worse defensive game looks like:
Fewer yards allowed
Much lower percentage allowed
3 picks created.
Top receiver in the league contained
How is it worse?
ALLOWING THREE TOUCHDOWNS passing.
Look at what Cincy did in pass defense.
Scoring wins games period
squidkid
09-19-2016, 03:49 PM
I noticed you didn't add the rushing yards, fumble recovery and the lack of TD's.
seems pretty good to me.
this toppic was about db coverage but whatever ...the dbs also had little to do with rushing yards (5 tackles)and no fumble recovers...better?
SteelCrazy
09-19-2016, 04:32 PM
The only DB's that seemed to play like rookies were the rookies. Hopefully they'll get better with playing time. Cockrell played really well considering the guy he was covering. Gay missed a few plays, but made a few good ones too...
Shark continues to be a special team ace....wish he could transfer that to the defense.
Bend don't break was responsible for the most yardage allowed. Looks like Butler is copying LeBeau a little more this year and the lack of sacks is the result.
RobinCole
09-19-2016, 04:48 PM
Squid, since when does the number of pass ATTEMPTS by the opposition equate to a bad pass defense? Are you serious? Maybe the Bengals passed so much because (1) they couldn't run and (2) they were behind the whole game. When Ben has to throw 54 times in a game we usually lose. It means we've been made one-dimensional and reduced to playing catch-up. I'd much rather have a balanced attack and win the time of possession.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you're also saying that the DBs had no fumble recoveries. Isn't Robert Golden a DB? I could swear he recovered a fumble in the 4th quarter.
Mr.wizard
09-19-2016, 05:01 PM
366 yards passing allowed
54 pass atttempts
no interceptions
2 PI
and pretty bad tackling..........
if that is considered good, i hate to see what a bad game is gonna look like
366yds on 54 attempts!! How many of those went to running backs or TE's? Dalton only completed 57% of his passes and 1 TD. Who cares if they didn't get an int that doesn't mean DB play was bad, not to mention AJ Green only 2 catches for 38yds. Those PI penalty's where also questionable at best they where not due to bad coverage.
Slapstick
09-19-2016, 05:04 PM
366 yards passing with 54 attempts...
That is <7 yards per attempt...that is not a bad defensive performance...
phillyesq
09-19-2016, 05:13 PM
366 yards passing allowed
54 pass atttempts
no interceptions
2 PI
and pretty bad tackling..........
if that is considered good, i hate to see what a bad game is gonna look like
That's 6.7 yards per attempt. Last year, Dalton averaged 8.42 (second in the league, just ahead of Ben). Last year, that would have been 29th in the league (Joe Flacco). That's pretty good D.
SteelerOfDeVille
09-19-2016, 06:12 PM
partuculary when the team spent quite a bit more time in prevent-ish type defenses than i would've liked - end of the 1st half, as well as a lot in the 4th quarter... minus those drives, Andy Dalton's numbers were very blah...
Slapstick
09-19-2016, 07:01 PM
The longest pass the defense has allowed so far is 33 yards...the longest rush is 12 yards...
We have given up one passing TD and our opponents' passer rating is under 80...
Oh, and our 3rd down conversion percentage allowed is less than 27%...
The key to our D is the triumverate of Heyward--Tuitt--Shazier. They set the tone, and they disrupt that whole middle!
flippy
09-19-2016, 07:43 PM
I have mixed emotions about the D as well as some positive feelings. I think our DBs are playing better than expected and I have high hopes in the future of our secondary. However, we've gone uber conservative and are protecting these guys with scheme for now. And we can't generate any push whatsoever up front. And that's despite teams so far playing catch up and being forced to pass which should make it easier for us to get to the QB.
This defense relies a lot on the other team messing up and not being able to consistently take 5 yards at a clip. We're not really forcing the mistakes as much as we're relying on our opponent to make them on their own.
We've done this against some decent Offenses thus far, so we're not so bad. But we're going to have to start forcing the mistakes when we play against top tier QBs. NE can eat this defense alive as it stands now. They are patient, consistent, and won't make mistakes unless there's pressure up the middle on the QB and he's forced to hold the ball longer than he'd like.
So while we're fine for now, we have a long way to go to compete with the best Offenses and best QBs in football. If you watch this team through the lens of competing with the best, there's a ways to go. But I also see a lot that gives me hope that we can get there. We've got some young talent.
NorthCoast
09-19-2016, 08:01 PM
I have mixed emotions about the D as well as some positive feelings. I think our DBs are playing better than expected and I have high hopes in the future of our secondary. However, we've gone uber conservative and are protecting these guys with scheme for now. And we can't generate any push whatsoever up front. And that's despite teams so far playing catch up and being forced to pass which should make it easier for us to get to the QB.
This defense relies a lot on the other team messing up and not being able to consistently take 5 yards at a clip. We're not really forcing the mistakes as much as we're relying on our opponent to make them on their own.
We've done this against some decent Offenses thus far, so we're not so bad. But we're going to have to start forcing the mistakes when we play against top tier QBs. NE can eat this defense alive as it stands now. They are patient, consistent, and won't make mistakes unless there's pressure up the middle on the QB and he's forced to hold the ball longer than he'd like.
So while we're fine for now, we have a long way to go to compete with the best Offenses and best QBs in football. If you watch this team through the lens of competing with the best, there's a ways to go. But I also see a lot that gives me hope that we can get there. We've got some young talent.
So you are saying the Steelers should change the scheme because it doesn't look good, even though the results speak for themselves? The Steelers defense has done something they have been unable to do for several years, make opponents one dimensional. Steelers defense is 2nd in the NFL against the run. And while opponents have a huge number of pass attempts per game, the defense is middle of the pack in yds/att meaning the opponents are not getting the big plays against the D. I will admit it doesn't look the best watching teams pass down the field, but the end result is top 10 in pts allowed. They are already better this year than they were at the end of last season.
Oviedo
09-19-2016, 08:24 PM
The longest pass the defense has allowed so far is 33 yards...the longest rush is 12 yards...
We have given up one passing TD and our opponents' passer rating is under 80...
Oh, and our 3rd down conversion percentage allowed is less than 27%...
Shows you what a good aggressive Def Coord can bring to the table. Change is good:stirpot
Eddie Spaghetti
09-19-2016, 08:32 PM
you have to be kidding ovi
butler has been anything but aggressive up to this point
SidSmythe
09-19-2016, 08:47 PM
I'm not sure about all of you but I'm not excited about this defense.
My biggest fear coming into this season was the condition of our OLBs. No pressure whatsoever. Our only sack came yesterday when Arthur Moats tackled Dalton 1 yard from the LOS.
Dalton lacks weapons beyond Green. Kudos for the job they did on Green.
Cousins??
OK, we want to beat New England in the playoffs?? We're going to need more that September Stats.
Oviedo
09-19-2016, 08:50 PM
you have to be kidding ovi
butler has been anything but aggressive up to this point
Yes...just for you
I am disappointed we aren't more aggressive but at least Butler has it working
Captain Lemming
09-19-2016, 11:37 PM
Shows you what a good aggressive Def Coord can bring to the table. Change is good:stirpot
Oh no you dont OV.
It shows that there are times to be aggressive and times to back off. BOTH methods work.
Few blitzs, STILL effective.
All this provides PROOF that Butler is a great learner from THE MASTER my friend.
Part of EVERY SINGLE STEELER POST 70s SUPERBOWL
SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-21-2016, 11:15 AM
I was fine with lack of sacks, figuring it was almost by design (3-man rush etc). But I just heard Labriola over on Steelers.com express some concern, and so respecting his insight, I'm a little concerned now.
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