OT: How many kneel downs during the anthem on Monday

[bostonsteeler]

Just wondering -- are any of the Steelers going to do the Kapernick thing?

Not commenting on the correctness or otherwise of it. Just wondering how the Steelers roll..

[fordfixer]

Big Al says zero


Steelers' Villanueva critical of QB Kaepernick's decision to sit during national anthemSteelers' Villanueva critical of QB Kaepernick's decision to sit during national anthem

Gerry Dulac: gdulac@post-gazette.com.







Alejandro Villanueva said he feels as though he won the lottery three times every time he is paid to play a football game in America. And, no matter where he is or what he is doing, he said he stops and sings every word of the national anthem whenever it is played.
It is not easy for Villanueva, the Steelers starting left tackle and a player of Spanish descent, to see someone, particularly a millionaire athlete, not support the country where he lives and works. Especially when Villanueva spent three tours of duty in Afghanistan as a former Army Ranger and saw minority servicemen lose their lives fighting to protect U.S. freedom.
That’s why it’s difficult for Villanueva to not be critical of San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who did not stand for the national anthem before Friday night’s home preseason game against the Green Bay Packers to protest what he called U.S. oppression against blacks and minorities.
“I agree that America is not perfect, I agree there are lot of issues with minorities in this country, I agree we should do something about it,” Villanueva said. “But I don’t know if the most effective way is to sit down when the national anthem of the country that is providing you freedom and providing you $60 million a year is the best way to do it when there are black minorities that are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan and protecting our freedom for less than $20,000 a year.”
Villanueva was an active member of the U.S. Army from 2010 to 2013 before coming to the Steelers. He was awarded numerous medals for his service, including the Bronze Star Medal for Valor. His father was a Lieutenant Commander in the Spanish Navy and also worked for NATO.
It bothers him Kaeperinick has a platform to express his opinion because of the military members who died protecting the very same freedom that allows him to express his opinion.
“I just know I’m very thankful to be an American,” Villanueva said Monday. “I will stand very proudly and sing every single line of the national anthem every single time I hear it. I will stop whatever I’m doing because I recognize I have to be very thankful to be in this country.”
“I tell my teammates all the time, especially when they talk about contracts, I’m one of the cheapest left tackles in the NFL [but] just by being an American I’ve won three lotteries. And if you have a little money on top of me, that means I have 3 ½ lotteries.
“I’ve been very fortunate to travel a lot and see what it’s like in different countries. I’ve experienced true racism that happens in Europe with a lot of minorities. It’s very difficult for me to be here in America, as grateful as I am, in the best country in the world, and have people not be pleased about it.”
Villanueva said he understands Kaepernick’s right to speak and act freely, even if people don’t agree with it. But, as an athlete who can use the media for a national platform, Villanueva said Kaepernick needs to be more careful.
“I think he’s obviously upset and I think we all agree, the majority of America would agree, there’s an issue with minorities in our country, the way some groups in our population are being treated,” Villanueva said. “I just think not standing up for America is a little bit unfair on his part because he’s not taking into consideration the minorities that are fighting for the flag, like myself, the thousands of people who lay their lives so he can express himself.”
Villanueva’s teammates agreed.
“I just wish people could talk openly without calling someone racist, without calling someone anti-American, and have a conversation about it,” guard David DeCastro said. “I don’t think people realize how good they have it in this country. It’s not perfect, but there are a lot of things people take for granted. Obviously, there are things we’ve got to work on, but to disrespect the flag is pretty tough.”
Defensive end Cam Heyward said the playing of the national anthem before a game is “the time I take very personal” and he uses the moment to “show dedication and salute” the military people who serve the U.S.
“I think I heard something where [Kaepernick] wasn’t trying to offend the military because he has family from military,” Heyward said. “But, at the same time, then use another forum, take the presser after a game or time to really address it. I understand you feel very strongly but there are still people that fight and respect your country."
Heyward was asked if it would bother him if one of his teammates elected to do what Kaepernick did before a game.
“No, it’s not going to break my heart,” Heyward said. “But, at the same time, I’m going to make sure I show respect. And he better have a damn good reason supporting why he doesn’t want to do it.”

[RuthlessBurgher]

I predict that Ben kneels down as the clock runs down in the 4th quarter...victory formation.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

How many fans will kneel during the anthem in protest of the Washington team name?

[Moonie]

The Steelers will lead the league in non-kneelers.

[Bigsteel]

How many fans at home that have a problem with it will actually stand up during the national anthem?

[flippy]

Why do we even have a national anthem before all sporting events? I have to admit, I think it's silly every time they sing it at any event except for the Olympics. What's the point? The NFL, NHL, MLB, etc. are in business to make money, not rouse their crowds with a song of patriotism or nationalism.

It's not like it's about the song anyway. Just think about the SuperBowl. It's about who sings it, not the song. If I was an uber patriot/nationalist, I think I'd be bothered by that as disrespectful to the song anyway.

Seemingly, half the stadium is in line for the bathrooms, beer, or food when it's being sung most of the time anyway. So who cares what the players are doing at the time?

I gotta admit, I don't even understand what Kapernick's point is either. And it seems like it should be a non issue. I think he'd make more sense simply questioning what the song has to do with sports in the first place?

I also wondered why the atheists that go to games never protested the anthem, given one of the lines in the unsung verses is "And this be our motto, 'In God is our Trust'".

In all honesty, I've never felt patriotic after hearing the anthem at a game. On the flip side, I've screamed my head off after listening to Renegade at Heinz Field. Perhaps that should become the national anthem before Steelers games. It seems to serve it's purpose. It get's the crowd roused into a frenzy. If the national anthem doesn't get people going that same level of bonkers, there's no reason to play it at a game.

All that said, I've got nothing against anyone and just stand and sign along with my hat off out of respect to everyone else because it's the socially acceptable thing to do. But in the back of my head, I think it's a little silly every time. I suspect most people don't really understand it either, although most probably just go along without even thinking about it.

[Oviedo]

Why do we even have a national anthem before all sporting events? I have to admit, I think it's silly every time they sing it at any event except for the Olympics. What's the point? The NFL, NHL, MLB, etc. are in business to make money, not rouse their crowds with a song of patriotism or nationalism.

It's not like it's about the song anyway. Just think about the SuperBowl. It's about who sings it, not the song. If I was an uber patriot/nationalist, I think I'd be bothered by that as disrespectful to the song anyway.

Seemingly, half the stadium is in line for the bathrooms, beer, or food when it's being sung most of the time anyway. So who cares what the players are doing at the time?

I gotta admit, I don't even understand what Kapernick's point is either. And it seems like it should be a non issue. I think he'd make more sense simply questioning what the song has to do with sports in the first place?

I also wondered why the atheists that go to games never protested the anthem, given one of the lines in the unsung verses is "And this be our motto, 'In God is our Trust'".

In all honesty, I've never felt patriotic after hearing the anthem at a game. On the flip side, I've screamed my head off after listening to Renegade at Heinz Field. Perhaps that should become the national anthem before Steelers games. It seems to serve it's purpose. It get's the crowd roused into a frenzy. If the national anthem doesn't get people going that same level of bonkers, there's no reason to play it at a game.

All that said, I've got nothing against anyone and just stand and sign along with my hat off out of respect to everyone else because it's the socially acceptable thing to do. But in the back of my head, I think it's a little silly every time. I suspect most people don't really understand it either, although most probably just go along without even thinking about it.


Tradition! Showing respect for a country that gives you the opportunity to safely watch games. The affluence to buy very expensive season tickets. Etc.

If you want to sit kneel whatever thats your choice. Do it in the bathroom or stay in the locker room if you are a player.

I travel a lot on business and have many friends internationally. Almost universally they comment on how impressed they are with so many American flags there are on houses and how much pride Americans have. They see it as a good thing and they typically wish it was more that way back home.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Personally, as far as patriotic music goes, I'd much rather just hear a recording of Ray Charles' version of America the Beautiful before every game than listening to some random talentless diva try to pull off the Star Spangled Banner in an overdramatic fashion every time.

[MCHammer]

I've never really liked the national anthem. When you think about it, the song is about surviving a sustained bombardment. That said, it seems needlessly divisive to refuse to stand to make a political point. That's my view and I hope none of the Steelers do it. There are better ways to speak up and make a difference.

[Mr.wizard]

Tradition! Showing respect for a country that gives you the opportunity to safely watch games. The affluence to buy very expensive season tickets. Etc.

If you want to sit kneel whatever thats your choice. Do it in the bathroom or stay in the locker room if you are a player.

I travel a lot on business and have many friends internationally. Almost universally they comment on how impressed they are with so many American flags there are on houses and how much pride Americans have. They see it as a good thing and they typically wish it was more that way back home.


Why should he kneel in the locker room or the bathroom? That would kinda defeat the purpose of a public protest wouldn't it? I kneel with Kaepernick, because like MLK said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". A group of Americans has been and is still being treated unfairly by a system that should be protecting them and nothing is being done about it, but heaven forbid someone kneels during our beloved anthem and suddenly the country is in an uproar. Just because people died for this country does not mean that everything that happens in this country is right or should be respected, blind patriotism is dangerous.

[squidkid]

every group of americans have been/still are being untreated fairly and it will always be that way.

[Mr.wizard]

every group of americans have been/still are being untreated fairly and it will always be that way.

Not by the justice system, if all Americans where being mistreated by the justice system then that would be even more of a reason to kneel with Kaepernick.

[squidkid]

Not by the justice system, if all Americans where being mistreated by the justice system then that would be even more of a reason to kneel with Kaepernick.

by every system.

[8467thekraken]

Personally, as far as patriotic music goes, I'd much rather just hear a recording of Ray Charles' version of America the Beautiful before every game than listening to some random talentless diva try to pull off the Star Spangled Banner in an overdramatic fashion every time.

Right there with ya.

[bostonsteeler]

Right there with ya.

I had the misfortune of hearing someone squawk the national anthem at the start of the 2016 vintage car rally in Pittsburgh. Gotta agree with Ruthless.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Not that I agree with what he's doing, but I 100% support his constitutional right to do so. We're in the land of the free, and freedom includes the freedom to do what is unpopular. Brave Americans died so that he has the right to do that without being "disappeared" by a disapproving government.

[Slapstick]

It seems like we really make a point in this country about how protests need to be non-violent...here, a guy protests in the least violent way possible, simply by sitting down, and people still complain?

[bostonsteeler]

It seems like we really make a point in this country about how protests need to be non-violent...here, a guy protests in the least violent way possible, simply by sitting down, and people still complain?

I wouldn't complain. I don't disagree with the principle either. I just don't see society saying -- "hey look, a bunch of folks in the NFL knelt during the anthem; lets stop mistreating black people." Perhaps I'm wrong..

[RuthlessBurgher]

I wouldn't complain. I don't disagree with the principle either. I just don't see society saying -- "hey look, a bunch of folks in the NFL knelt during the anthem; lets stop mistreating black people." Perhaps I'm wrong..

Personally, I always look to washed up backup QB's who can't start ahead of Blaine Gabbert to help guide me in terms of how I should treat people of all races. Don't you?

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Personally, I always look to washed up backup QB's who can't start ahead of Blaine Gabbert to help guide me in terms of how I should treat people of all races. Don't you?

You forget to add the detail of how many millions of dollars the washed up, backup QB has made/is making, as well as how little of his money he has contributed to help the people he's supposedly so concerned about.

[Mr.wizard]

You forget to add the detail of how many millions of dollars the washed up, backup QB has made/is making, as well as how little of his money he has contributed to help the people he's supposedly so concerned about.

He is donating $1 million and the 49ers are also donating $1 million, that's $2 million dollars in charitable donations that has been generated simply by one man taking a knee. Also he is donating 100% of the proceeds of his jersey sales, I don't know what the figure on that will be, but I'm sure it will be significant because his jersey has been selling like hotcakes.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

He is donating $1 million and the 49ers are also donating $1 million, that's $2 million dollars in charitable donations that has been generated simply by one man taking a knee. Also he is donating 100% of the proceeds of his jersey sales, I don't know what the figure on that will be, but I'm sure it will be significant because his jersey has been selling like hotcakes.

Well, I stand corrected, and that's good to hear, because the amount reported a couple of weeks ago was $0. I just read that his protest could also wind up costing him $3 million/year in endorsements, making it an even more significant sacrifice on his part.

Then again, he's earned more than $50 million since coming into the NFL. If he's been halfway smart with his money, he should be set for life, and can afford the $$$$ he's given up for his cause.

[Slapstick]

I wouldn't complain. I don't disagree with the principle either. I just don't see society saying -- "hey look, a bunch of folks in the NFL knelt during the anthem; lets stop mistreating black people." Perhaps I'm wrong..

What?!? This whole time, I was convinced that Kap was the millenials' Dr. King!!!

[squidkid]

He is donating $1 million and the 49ers are also donating $1 million, that's $2 million dollars in charitable donations that has been generated simply by one man taking a knee. Also he is donating 100% of the proceeds of his jersey sales, I don't know what the figure on that will be, but I'm sure it will be significant because his jersey has been selling like hotcakes.

he had donated zero until he got called out on it. thats kinda funny

[Slapstick]

He still donated...the money counts the same either way...

[feltdizz]

I'm skeptical of donations as well. It's easy to throw a few dollars at an org when you have 50 million. The backlash from public opinion is the real sacrifice. People need to understand Ali wasn't a hero and a celebrated figure back when he refused to go to war and gave up the belt. America called him a traitor. Kapernick is being hated on because he is voicing his opposition to police brutality.

Just the other day a police offer who was a former Marine was fired because he refused to shoot an armed perp who begged the cop to kill him. He could tell it was a suicide by cop situation and was trying to talk him down and he was fired over it. Meanwhile a guy in Colorado shoots up a movie theater and is detained alive. A kid kills 9 christians at a church and the police stop at Burger King to get him food because he is hungry. White kids are raping girls, getting caught and the judge is REFUSING to give them harsh sentences because jail would ruin them.

This isn't a game. I know the media is turning it into a cool little story and showing slick camera angles of protest but I don't think a lot of people understand what's going on right now.

[squidkid]

i agree. lots of people are clueless to whats going on