Steelers rookie Bud Dupree thrown off the field for fighting

[Jooser]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/19/steelers-rookie-bud-dupree-thrown-off-the-field-for-fighting/


Steelers rookie Bud Dupree thrown off the field for fighting

Posted by Darin Gantt on August 19, 2015, 5:19 PM EDT

If the league’s not going to do anything about on-field fighting, the Steelers will.

According to Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin just kicked outside linebacker Bud Dupree off the practice field for fighting with a teammate.

It was the second tussle of the practice for Dupree, who tangled with guard Ramon Foster and wouldn’t let it go.

According to Dulac, the first-rounder was grabbed by veteran defensive end Cam Hayward in an effort to break things up, then escorted off the field by linebacker Lawrence Timmons.

This stage near the end of training camps is usually when most of the fights break out, with the Cowboys and Rams throwing down last night merely the most dramatic.

We’ll now anxiously tune into “the network” tonight to see how many times the Dupree scrap gets replayed, though it likely won’t be 11.

Finally, a little nasty, and Tomlin throws him off the field!

[Discipline of Steel]

He had to get thrown off for show but JH will secretly praise him for not backing down....

[pittpete]

Love it.....Was Jarvis there or already in the tub?:p

[Discipline of Steel]

Dupree was fined his participation trophy for that day

[Shawn]

Dupree is getting frustrated. Welcome to the NFL that little speed move you have doesn't work against the big boys.

[The Man of Steel]

Could we please refer to him only as Bust Dupree until he proves otherwise? Just for fun of course. :D

[steelfin]

Ramon Foster was taunting him... calling him Dud Dupree....

Rookie lost his temper...

[SidSmythe]

Love it.....Was Jarvis there or already in the tub?:p

Rumor has it J.J. lost an arm flexing competition.to the CBs and was off challenging Kickers and Punters to redeem himself.

[phillyesq]

Good write-up on the Dupree incident:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1576393-steelers-notebook-dupree-against-the-world

Reading that also makes you root even more for Villanueva to make the roster. Sounds like a great team player.

[birtikidis]

I like to hear that Jones is improving. Especially strength wise. He may not be a "beat his guy and get to the qb" yet, but he's still our second best OLB, esp against the run.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Tomlin was overheard, saying....

Alvin?

Alvin!

ALVIN!!!

;)

[Slapstick]

I like to hear that Jones is improving. Especially strength wise. He may not be a "beat his guy and get to the qb" yet, but he's still our second best OLB, esp against the run.

Nobody wants to hear that! It's too comforting to stick to preconceived ideas.

[Oviedo]

Love it.....Was Jarvis there or already in the tub?:p

I heard he was on the sidelines telling some kids what a great pass rusher he was in college:stirpot

[Oviedo]

Good write-up on the Dupree incident:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1576393-steelers-notebook-dupree-against-the-world

Reading that also makes you root even more for Villanueva to make the roster. Sounds like a great team player.

Would love to see AV on the Final 53. I could see Haley doing some interesting things with him on a 2-point grouping of players. Plow someone over or catch a pass. That is a good skill set combo to have.

[Oviedo]

I like to hear that Jones is improving... but he's still our second best OLB, esp against the run.

"Second best"...based on what? How can his supporters say he can't be criticized in one breath because he hasn't been on the field enough to evaluate but now he is "second best" but still hasn't been on the field enough to evaluate. Sorry for trying to understand the logic but I guess you can just consider it more "hate' from me.

[papillon]

Tomlin was overheard, saying....

Alvin?

Alvin!

ALVIN!!!

;)

Nice!

Pappy

[squidkid]

Could we please refer to him only as Bust Dupree until he proves otherwise? Just for fun of course. :D


lets keep it positive and refer to him as Steal of the Draft Dupree

[Slapstick]

"Second best"...based on what? How can his supporters say he can't be criticized in one breath because he hasn't been on the field enough to evaluate but now he is "second best" but still hasn't been on the field enough to evaluate. Sorry for trying to understand the logic but I guess you can just consider it more "hate' from me.

Don't worry, we will.

[7upnext]

Would love to see AV on the Final 53. I could see Haley doing some interesting things with him on a 2-point grouping of players. Plow someone over or catch a pass. That is a good skill set combo to have.

he's a lock

[SteelCrazy]

glad to see Dupree show some frustration/spunk. Beginning to think he was spineless.

[steelsnis]

glad to see Dupree show some frustration/spunk. Beginning to think he was spineless.

Based on two preseason games? This is literally insane.

[Snatch98]

Based on two preseason games? This is literally insane.

Oh absolutely. We have one of the most ridiculous fan bases in the nfl. The last defensive rookie we had do anything was kendrell bell yet expectations for rookies remain in the stratosphere before the season even begins.

[Shawn]

Oh absolutely. We have one of the most ridiculous fan bases in the nfl. The last defensive rookie we had do anything was kendrell bell yet expectations for rookies remain in the stratosphere before the season even begins. Me personally, I'll be happy if he just learns to shed a block.

[SidSmythe]

Bust DePree ... he sucks!!! Cut Him Now or trade him before anyone else sees how sucky he is!!!

[Shawn]

Bust DePree ... he sucks!!! Cut Him Now or trade him before anyone else sees how sucky he is!!! I wouldn't call him a bust just a reach.

[papillon]

I wouldn't call him a bust just a reach.

I think project is the best description. :cool:

Pappy

[Notleadpoisoned]

I wouldn't call him a bust just a reach.

Would you call him a Dud though?

[Shawn]

Would you call him a Dud though? No, I think the guy has potential. I just think he is very raw.

[Slapstick]

Dupree was a "reach" in the opinion of very few people...he was "raw" in the opinion of more than a few...

[Shawn]

Dupree was a "reach" in the opinion of very few people...he was "raw" in the opinion of more than a few... Personally, I believe he was both. Scouts fell in love with his measureables not his technique or his physicality.

[Slapstick]

Perhaps...but he was also the best player available and played a position of need for the Steelers...

[Slapstick]

Perhaps some sanity here:

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-opinions-reactions-news-updates/2015/8/21/9185583/how-can-anyone-think-steelers-rookie-olb-bud-dupree-is-already-a-bust

[Shawn]

Slappy, it's good to know some things don't change. You fawn over ever draft pick and anyone who thinks a particular draft pick was a reach or needs work is labeling him a bust. It's ok to see concerning issues with Duprees game at the college level and have concerns. It doesnt mean he will be a bust nor do I believe that. I do believe the Steelers reached because of Worilds departure. But a reach doesn't mean bust. So stop putting words in people's mouths. I have yet to hear the word bust uttered from one mouth about Dupree.

[Slapstick]

Slappy, it's good to know some things don't change. You fawn over ever draft pick and anyone who thinks a particular draft pick was a reach or needs work is labeling him a bust. It's ok to see concerning issues with Duprees game at the college level and have concerns. It doesnt mean he will be a bust nor do I believe that. I do believe the Steelers reached because of Worilds departure. But a reach doesn't mean bust. So stop putting words in people's mouths. I have yet to hear the word bust uttered from one mouth about Dupree.

1) Umm...perhaps you should address your snide comments to the author of the article? Maybe that would serve you better...of course, if you have a problem with conflicting viewpoints, perhaps a public forum such as a message board is the wrong place for you...

2) I'm the one who came up with the name Alvin "Bust" Dupree...you heard it here first!!;)

[Discipline of Steel]

Dud Dupree pretty good too

[Slapstick]

Dud Dupree pretty good too

I agree! Well played...

[Shawn]

1) Umm...perhaps you should address your snide comments to the author of the article? Maybe that would serve you better...of course, if you have a problem with conflicting viewpoints, perhaps a public forum such as a message board is the wrong place for you...

2) I'm the one who came up with the name Alvin "Bust" Dupree...you heard it here first!!;)

1) If you post an article as a response to a poster then you are implying through another persons words.
2) As for "snide" you sir would know all about condescending and snide so I will defer to your expertise.
3) I love conflicting points of view as I enjoy debate especially about football. But, some posters certainly bring more to the table than others.

[Slapstick]

1) If you post an article as a response to a poster then you are implying through another persons words.
2) As for "snide" you sir would know all about condescending and snide so I will defer to your expertise.
3) I love conflicting points of view as I enjoy debate especially about football. But, some posters certainly bring more to the table than others.

I truly wish you could appreciate the irony inherent in this post.

[Oviedo]

Let's just hope in 2017 we aren't referring to Dupree as Jarvis Jones 2.0 with a litany of excuses behind him for failing to contribute after 2+ years. If so, we need to quit drafting OLBs in Round 1.

[SidSmythe]

So all this Depression bust stuff is serious??

Gotta scratch my head here.

It's not like they drafted a guy w skinny arms who ran a 4.9 forty here.
Not worried about this guy at all ( yet)

[Eddie Spaghetti]

So all this Depression bust stuff is serious??

Gotta scratch my head here.

It's not like they drafted a guy w skinny arms who ran a 4.9 forty here.
Not worried about this guy at all ( yet)

Its basically just one poster who goes nuts anytime you mention a steeler player might have a couple of flaws in his game

nobody has called Dupree a bust and most are only trying have a discussion about areas they would like to see him improve

personally, I want him to begin to flash against some of theses 2s and 3s he will be going against tomorrow. I want to see the quick step as has been reported in camp and will focus more on his physicality as it is a question that has been raised.

[Slapstick]

So all this Depression bust stuff is serious??

Gotta scratch my head here.

It's not like they drafted a guy w skinny arms who ran a 4.9 forty here.
Not worried about this guy at all ( yet)

Still scratching my head...

[Slapstick]

let's just hope in 2017 we aren't referring to dupree as jarvis jones 2.0 with a litany of excuses behind him for failing to contribute after 2+ years. If so, we need to quit drafting olbs in round 1.

bwah-hah-hah!!

[Shawn]

Its basically just one poster who goes nuts anytime you mention a steeler player might have a couple of flaws in his game

nobody has called Dupree a bust and most are only trying have a discussion about areas they would like to see him improve

personally, I want him to begin to flash against some of theses 2s and 3s he will be going against tomorrow. I want to see the quick step as has been reported in camp and will focus more on his physicality as it is a question that has been raised. No kidding. I suppose we should just say everyone is perfection and has no room for growth. Might make for a less confrontational discussion...boring but less confrontational.

[Shawn]

I truly wish you could appreciate the irony inherent in this post. Nope I see no irony.

[Slapstick]

Nope I see no irony.

That's not shocking.

[Slapstick]

No kidding. I suppose we should just say everyone is perfection and has no room for growth. Might make for a less confrontational discussion...boring but less confrontational.

Or, you could actually say that players have room for growth.

[7upnext]

I truly wish you could appreciate the irony inherent in this post.

too funny! good luck with that

[7upnext]

For the most part, every defensive player we've drafted early has taken at least a season or two to hit their stride. I don't know if that trend will continue now that DL is gone but hopefully it does. I think the reason we are impatient with Dupree is because Jones has failed to develop (for varying reasons) and we lost Worilds...so we have a pretty major need. I have to believe they are just playing vanilla because there's no way the D can be this boring and bad. It would be nice to see anyone light someone up, pick six, FF, sack..anything. I'm pretty worried about the defense. There's plenty of time though

[Shawn]

Or, you could actually say that players have room for growth. Ok, so what's the issue here. Did you believe Dupree to have a perfect game or is it that no one can comment on the flaws in his game?

[Slapstick]

Ok, so what's the issue here. Did you believe Dupree to have a perfect game or is it that no one can comment on the flaws in his game?

Um, neither. You've been arguing with yourself but feeling the need to include me for some reason.

I believe that Dupree was the BPA at that point at a position of need. Neither of those things mean that he "has a perfect game", nor does it mean that he will not take time to develop. Anyone can comment on anything they like, within the rules of the board. But, when you post an opinion on a public forum, you also open yourself to having your opinion questioned or somebody might even post an opposing viewpoint. This seems to be where you are having a problem. Go to the "Glut of WR..." thread, and you will see that it isn't me shouting down someone else's opinion or name calling.

Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself.

[papillon]

Um, neither. You've been arguing with yourself but feeling the need to include me for some reason.

I believe that Dupree was the BPA at that point at a position of need. Neither of those things mean that he "has a perfect game", nor does it mean that he will not take time to develop. Anyone can comment on anything they like, within the rules of the board. But, when you post an opinion on a public forum, you also open yourself to having your opinion questioned or somebody might even post an opposing viewpoint. This seems to be where you are having a problem. Go to the "Glut of WR..." thread, and you will see that it isn't me shouting down someone else's opinion or name calling.

Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself.

"Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself" - Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble :p

Pappy

[Shawn]

Um, neither. You've been arguing with yourself but feeling the need to include me for some reason.

I believe that Dupree was the BPA at that point at a position of need. Neither of those things mean that he "has a perfect game", nor does it mean that he will not take time to develop. Anyone can comment on anything they like, within the rules of the board. But, when you post an opinion on a public forum, you also open yourself to having your opinion questioned or somebody might even post an opposing viewpoint. This seems to be where you are having a problem. Go to the "Glut of WR..." thread, and you will see that it isn't me shouting down someone else's opinion or name calling.

Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself.
If you say so...same thing every year with you. You are the only one who doesn't see it. As for that other thread its evident the guy has been trolling since day one. But if you want to defense that so be it. Anyways lets talk football. I believe you are wrong. I believe Ray was the better of the two at a position of need. Guess we shall see. The issue for me however is that we are drafting for need instead of BPA. I think Dupree will be a decent LB when all is said and done. He has tools. My concern is always surrounding the lack of physicality of our recent Ds.

[Slapstick]

Good talk.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

"Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself" - Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble :p

Pappy

And Ocean ... https://youtu.be/f1iAaKHd7z8

[tiproast]

And Ocean ... https://youtu.be/f1iAaKHd7z8

Eric Clapton, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbH465t6tcA

[Captain Lemming]

Let's just hope in 2017 we aren't referring to Dupree as Jarvis Jones 2.0 with a litany of excuses behind him for failing to contribute after 2+ years. If so, we need to quit drafting OLBs in Round 1.

Jones and Dupree are polar opposites.

Jones.was the most prolific past rusher in college with questionable athleticism.

Dupree is a ridiculous athletic freak who's production does not match his talent.

Any pass rusher with Dupree talent and Jones production would be a top 5 pick.

[Slapstick]

And they both got to the QB today!

[feltdizz]

And they both got to the QB today!

Double digits sacks or it didnt happen

[Slapstick]

Double digits sacks or it didnt happen

Classic! Thank you...

[DukieBoy]

"Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself" - Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble :p

Pappye

I like the Delbert McClinton version best.

[papillon]

Eric Clapton, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbH465t6tcA

Good call Tip, but still hope they add more games to Toms suspension. :tt2:p

Pappy

[tiproast]

Good call Tip, but still hope they add more games to Toms suspension. :tt2:p

Pappy
I would respond, but don't want to derail the thread any more than the music discussion already has.

Looking forward to the opener. Hope your team is as close to full strength as injuries and suspensions allow.

[papillon]

I would respond, but don't want to derail the thread any more than the music discussion already has.

Looking forward to the opener. Hope your team is as close to full strength as injuries and suspensions allow.

Every thread gets derailed around here lately you might as well join the fracas. ;):D

Pappy

[Discipline of Steel]

1) Umm...perhaps you should address your snide comments to the author of the article? Maybe that would serve you better...of course, if you have a problem with conflicting viewpoints, perhaps a public forum such as a message board is the wrong place for you...

2) I'm the one who came up with the name Alvin "Bust" Dupree...you heard it here first!!;)

I think after his Packers game performance, we can All Hail Stud Dupree!

[Slapstick]

I think after his Packers game performance, we can All Hail Stud Dupree!

That makes perfect sense! If we can refer to him as a bust after two preseason games, then we can definitely reverse course and declare him RoY after the third!! :grin:

[RuthlessBurgher]

"Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself" - Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble :p

Pappy

Pappy's my Pride and Joy...;)

[Shawn]

And they both got to the QB today! Yeah Bud absolutely wrecked those third stringers in trash time of a preseason game. Dude was phenomenal.

[birtikidis]

Yeah Bud absolutely wrecked those third stringers in trash time of a preseason game. Dude was phenomenal.
The good thing about Bud AND Jarvis's performance was that they added to their pass rush. I don't care if they were 3rd string, those are guys that are good enough to be in the NFL. They're not gonna line up against Joe Thomas and Brian Baluga every week.
Harrison wasn't a beast for several years in the NFL.

[phillyesq]

Yeah Bud absolutely wrecked those third stringers in trash time of a preseason game. Dude was phenomenal.

Isn't that what you want? I'd rather him dominate those guys than not.

[feltdizz]

Isn't that what you want? I'd rather him dominate those guys than not.

If they didn't have good games these same posters would bash them to no end.

Some people just love being miserable.

[fordfixer]

Isn't that what you want? I'd rather him dominate those guys than not.
But can he play center :D

[Slapstick]

If they didn't have good games these same posters would bash them to no end.

Some people just love being miserable.

Some people just love diminishing the accomplishments of players that they don't like while inflating their failures when given the opportunity...

[RuthlessBurgher]

Yeah Bud absolutely wrecked those third stringers in trash time of a preseason game. Dude was phenomenal.

Well, Dupree did take down 3 different QB's, so he was disruptive against 1st stringers, 2nd stringers, and 3rd stringers...not just all in trash time. Bud was one of several guys to bring down Aaron Rodgers for the safety for the Steelers' first points early in the game (credited to Deebo, though), then he sacked Scott Tolzien in the middle of the game for a 5 yard loss that didn't count because Cam Thomas was called offside, and finally sacked Brett Hundley later in the game for a 9 yard loss that did count.

[Oviedo]

Well, Dupree did take down 3 different QB's, so he was disruptive against 1st stringers, 2nd stringers, and 3rd stringers...not just all in trash time. Bud was one of several guys to bring down Aaron Rodgers for the safety for the Steelers' first points early in the game (credited to Deebo, though), then he sacked Scott Tolzien in the middle of the game for a 5 yard loss that didn't count because Cam Thomas was called offside, and finally sacked Brett Hundley later in the game for a 9 yard loss that did count.

Dupree had a good game and deserves credit. Like you said anyone who wants to say he didn't perform against quality players is just trying to downplay his game yesterday for whatever reason. It is good that there is hope we may actually see some contribution from a first year player on defense. We need that from Dupree and others to get the defense back near the top.

[squidkid]

Well, Dupree did take down 3 different QB's, so he was disruptive against 1st stringers, 2nd stringers, and 3rd stringers...not just all in trash time. Bud was one of several guys to bring down Aaron Rodgers for the safety for the Steelers' first points early in the game (credited to Deebo, though), then he sacked Scott Tolzien in the middle of the game for a 5 yard loss that didn't count because Cam Thomas was called offside, and finally sacked Brett Hundley later in the game for a 9 yard loss that did count.


so what do you think his season stats will be?
i say 4 sacks that count and 2 that dont.

[phillyesq]

so what do you think his season stats will be?
i say 4 sacks that count and 2 that dont.

That would put him ahead of Jadaveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Marcus Smith and DeMarcus Lawrence, and tied with Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr (all first rounders last year except for Lawrence, who went at the top of the second). Rookie pass rushers rarely have big seasons. I'd take 4 sacks from Dupree. Combine that with say, 6 from Moats, a dozen from JJ and Harrison and you are at 22. If you cobble together 20 sacks from the rest of the D (10 from Heyward/Tuitt, and 10 from a combo of Timmons, Shazier, and miscellaneous others, including DBs) that would give you 42, which would have been 8th in the league last year.

That is no gimme, but it's certainly attainable.

[steelsnis]

Yeah Bud absolutely wrecked those third stringers in trash time of a preseason game. Dude was phenomenal.

That's a bad look Shawn. You did this last year with Martavis because you hated the draft pick and wanted Abrederris. Let's hope Bud works out the same way Bryant has!

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Dupree showed exactly what I wanted to see

flashed against 2s and 3s and looked pretty fast out there. especially liked the play where he trapped the QB in the backfield and stayed in his lane. showed good awareness there

[Shawn]

Well, Dupree did take down 3 different QB's, so he was disruptive against 1st stringers, 2nd stringers, and 3rd stringers...not just all in trash time. Bud was one of several guys to bring down Aaron Rodgers for the safety for the Steelers' first points early in the game (credited to Deebo, though), then he sacked Scott Tolzien in the middle of the game for a 5 yard loss that didn't count because Cam Thomas was called offside, and finally sacked Brett Hundley later in the game for a 9 yard loss that did count. He had 2 tackles and a sack (against the third string). He played much of the game. He did brush the leg of the QB when either Harrison or Jones got a sack...and celebrated like he had done something. Don't get me wrong...I was actually pleased with seeing progress. He's better than he was in the first two games. My issue is when a poster acts smug as if he just graced us with a HOF game when in reality he had a very pedestrian game albeit an imprved game.

[Shawn]

That's a bad look Shawn. You did this last year with Martavis because you hated the draft pick and wanted Abrederris. Let's hope Bud works out the same way Bryant has! I did like Abbrederis until he got injured in camp. I was off on Bryant. And I have said nothing to the effect that Bud will be a bust. I do believe he was a reach, and I do believe he is a raw project. So, lets keep things in perspective before we start putting words in a persons mouth.

[Shawn]

Dupree had a good game and deserves credit. Like you said anyone who wants to say he didn't perform against quality players is just trying to downplay his game yesterday for whatever reason. It is good that there is hope we may actually see some contribution from a first year player on defense. We need that from Dupree and others to get the defense back near the top. When did 2 tackles and a sack in junk time against third stringers constitute a "good game"? I understand liking the improvement which he obviously showed. I like the guys burst. He has a really nice first step. He has tools but come on "good game"? Can we say a good game for a rookie who showed literally nothing in the first two preseason games? Can we at least have a qualifier?

[Slapstick]

That's a bad look Shawn. You did this last year with Martavis because you hated the draft pick and wanted Abrederris. Let's hope Bud works out the same way Bryant has!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/85/8d/a6/858da6dabc619c662c4374dcb0d503e5.jpg

[Shawn]

Some people just love diminishing the accomplishments of players that they don't like while inflating their failures when given the opportunity... And some like to slob nobs of any player in the BnG.

[Shawn]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/85/8d/a6/858da6dabc619c662c4374dcb0d503e5.jpg
Just curious Slappy. When was the last time you did a quality scouting analysis? When is the last time you didn't play it safe. And, going back to your previous point in the previous post I quoted. If you want to talk about a miss...you had better talk about all the ones I nailed. If not that would be a bit hypocritical.

[feltdizz]

He had 2 tackles and a sack (against the third string). He played much of the game. He did brush the leg of the QB when either Harrison or Jones got a sack...and celebrated like he had done something. Don't get me wrong...I was actually pleased with seeing progress. He's better than he was in the first two games. My issue is when a poster acts smug as if he just graced us with a HOF game when in reality he had a very pedestrian game albeit an imprved game.

Damn dude... don't let your dislike for certain posters cloud your vision.

This is how you end up looking like you aren't rooting for rookies to have good games.

we know how that ended last year, you trying to go 2 for 2? lol

[Shawn]

Damn dude... don't let your dislike for certain posters cloud your vision.

This is how you end up looking like you aren't rooting for rookies to have good games.

we know how that ended last year, you trying to go 2 for 2? lol Read my previous post. I don't dislike Bud. I do dislike Slappy acting like a smug **** when a guy gets two tackles.

[Slapstick]

Read my previous post. I don't dislike Bud. I do dislike Slappy acting like a smug **** when a guy gets two tackles.

One of us is smug, but it ain't me, amigo! I'm sure that you got plenty of draft picks right. But, if you actually read anything that I wrote instead of simply getting pissy every time I post something, you would have seen this:


Let me temper your enthusiasm: It was a preseason game. Meaningless. You'd like to see players do things like win 1-on-1 matchups, like Jones and Harrison did...you'd like to see Landry Jones lead the team back from a double digit deficit and win the game...

But, none of it means much...

So, if that is "slobbing knobs" (Classy, BTW!), then you have a very skewed idea of knob slobbing...

If you think I come off as smug, then #SorryNotSorry...when I post on the board it is about how the players on the team do and how that contributes to the team winning football games. I haven't tried to be a draft guru for some time...I was not great at it and I don't enjoy the masturbatory thrill of "being right" about a player, good or bad. I want the guys in the black helmets with one logo to do well and that's pretty much it.

[Shawn]

One of us is smug, but it ain't me, amigo! I'm sure that you got plenty of draft picks right. But, if you actually read anything that I wrote instead of simply getting pissy every time I post something, you would have seen this:



So, if that is "slobbing knobs" (Classy, BTW!), then you have a very skewed idea of knob slobbing...

If you think I come off as smug, then #SorryNotSorry...when I post on the board it is about how the players on the team do and how that contributes to the team winning football games. I haven't tried to be a draft guru for some time...I was not great at it and I don't enjoy the masturbatory thrill of "being right" about a player, good or bad. I want the guys in the black helmets with one logo to do well and that's pretty much it.

No you just prefer the masterbatory thrill of pointing out when others are wrong. Remember when we just stopped responding to each others posts last season? This place was much more enjoyable. I think we should engage that again.

[Slapstick]

Okay, Shawn.

When a Steeler does well? I'm very pleased and feel compelled to post about it on the board. Again, #SorryNotSorry. If that is someone who certain people don't like, I don't really give a flying £¥€& at a rolling donut...it isn't about me and it isn't about the other person. This place isn't "PlanetShawn" or "PlanetSlapstick"...nobody would come here if it was...

I really hope that you are as wrong about Dupree and Shazier as you were about Bryant...not because I enjoy it when you're wrong, but I enjoy it when the Steelers win games...

[Shawn]

Okay, Shawn.

When a Steeler does well? I'm very pleased and feel compelled to post about it on the board. Again, #SorryNotSorry. If that is someone who certain people don't like, I don't really give a flying £¥€& at a rolling donut...it isn't about me and it isn't about the other person. This place isn't "PlanetShawn" or "PlanetSlapstick"...nobody would come here if it was...

I really hope that you are as wrong about Dupree and Shazier as you were about Bryant...not because I enjoy it when you're wrong, but I enjoy it when the Steelers win games...

You are clueless. You are passive aggressive, arrogant and smug. I also enjoy when Steeler rookies do well. I liked what I seen from Dupree last night and I'm encouraged by the progress. I see no reason he can't be a good LBr. He may turn out the better LBr than Shane Ray (who I liked more). You keep putting words in my mouth when I have the slighest negative comment about a player (raw, needs work, needs to hit the weights, needs some power moves etc). I LOVE Shazier. What the F are you even talking about? That's what drives me crazy. You assume if I have a critique of a player that means I'm calling them a bust or that I'm not rooting for them. Stop that BS...it gets really ****ing old.

[Slapstick]

Yeah, okay. You clearly aren't picking up what I'm trying to communicate. Let's just go back to your idea about not responding to each other's posts. That seems mature.

You do have amazing insight into my character, especially since you have never met me and struggle to have a civil discussion with me on the board. It looks like orthopedists aren't the only medical specialty we have on the board.

[Shawn]

Yeah, okay. You clearly aren't picking up what I'm trying to communicate. Let's just go back to your idea about not responding to each other's posts. That seems mature. Yes, I get it.

1) You were saying that you are more concerned about the Steelers doing well then about you being right. Which is an inference that I would prefer to be right over the Steelers doing well. That is wrong. While I certainly enjoy being right. I would much prefer the Steelers win.

2) You said you hope that I am as wrong about Dupree and Shazier as I was about Bryant. You are saying that I believe Dupree and Shazier won't be good players. Which again is wrong. I believe both will be very good players.

So, yes I was able to understand what you were saying. And I'm able to read between the lines.

So I agree...lets just act like the other doesn't exist.

[Slapstick]

Okay, but a point of clarification: Inferring something and "reading between the lines" are activities that are on your part. You are continuously assigning some crazy subtext to my posts that isn't there.

You can consider yourself ignored now.

[Shawn]

Okay, but a point of clarification: Inferring something and "reading between the lines" are activities that are on your part. You are continuously assigning some crazy subtext to my posts that isn't there.

You can consider yourself ignored now.

If you say so Slappy. You made those statements and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what you mean.

[Slapstick]

You are officially ignored. That's probably best for the whole board. I have no idea what craziness you just responded with...I hope that's okay.

Bye.

[Shawn]

Terrific...sounds perfect.

[feltdizz]

And some like to slob nobs of any player in the BnG.

congrats, you have officially gone full retard to prove you are smarter than another poster.

[Shawn]

congrats, you have officially gone full regard to prove you are smarter than another poster. Thank you. I thought it was strong work.

[Slapstick]

congrats, you have officially gone full regard to prove you are smarter than another poster.

THAT is what it takes to prove you are smarter than another poster?

Crap. I have to do whatever is the opposite of elevating my game...

[feltdizz]

THAT is what it takes to prove you are smarter than another poster?

Crap. I have to do whatever is the opposite of elevating my game...

no, please don't try this... lol

[Slapstick]

no, please don't try this... lol

Agreed. My game is already not awesome.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

bunch of drama queens

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

bunch of drama queens


What the heck has happened to this forum over the past few years? It used to be friendly and supportive. (not referring to you, Eddie Spaghetti).

[Slapstick]

What the heck has happened to this forum over the past few years? It used to be friendly and supportive. (not referring to you, Eddie Spaghetti).

People went crazy.

[feltdizz]

People went crazy.

The draft gurus definitely went crazy on here. Its no longer about wanting to see the Steeler players do well, it's all about being right on draft picks and when we pick a guy they don't like, they nitpick them to death.

[feltdizz]

What the heck has happened to this forum over the past few years? It used to be friendly and supportive. (not referring to you, Eddie Spaghetti).

It may be time for an intervention.

[Ghost]

What the heck has happened to this forum over the past few years? It used to be friendly and supportive. (not referring to you, Eddie Spaghetti).

So you're saying Eddie is neither friendly nor supportive. That's kind of rough...

[BradshawsHairdresser]

So you're saying Eddie is neither friendly nor supportive. That's kind of rough...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Shawn]

The draft gurus definitely went crazy on here. Its no longer about wanting to see the Steeler players do well, it's all about being right on draft picks and when we pick a guy they don't like, they nitpick them to death. Yeah, thats what it's about. You sir are a **** stirrer.

[RuthlessBurgher]

so what do you think his season stats will be?
i say 4 sacks that count and 2 that dont.

That's probably about right. I liked the pick and glad to see he is starting to flash his potential now, but I realize that he's somewhat raw and will need seasoning. I suspect that Moats will get the majority of the strongside OLB snaps for the first half of the season while Bud only plays in a limited specialty package early on. Maybe by the second half of the season Moats and Dupree could start splitting reps in our regular D like I think Jarvis and Deebo will be doing over on the weak side. I do expect Deebo to get 8 sacks this season, even with a limited snap count, just because he will be highly motivated to overtake Jason Gildon for the team's all time sack record (the wrong #92 owns that now).

[Shawn]

That's probably about right. I liked the pick and glad to see he is starting to flash his potential now, but I realize that he's somewhat raw and will need seasoning. I suspect that Moats will get the majority of the strongside OLB snaps for the first half of the season while Bud only plays in a limited specialty package early on. Maybe by the second half of the season Moats and Dupree could start splitting reps in our regular D like I think Jarvis and Deebo will be doing over on the weak side. I do expect Deebo to get 8 sacks this season, even with a limited snap count, just because he will be highly motivated to overtake Jason Gildon for the team's all time sack record (the wrong #92 owns that now).

I think this opinion is well reasoned. Moats is underrated by fans maybe even by coaches and will pull the majority of the snaps early on. I believe he will be productive. I do see Dupree getting some early snaps in situations where he doesn't have to do much thinking...just get after it. While he shows some terrific quicks, he has very little ability from what I have seen to set the edge. With that said, allowing him to be disruptive in pass rush situations will help with confidence. IMO, he's at least a season or two away from being ready to start.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I can see Bud getting more time by mid-season. I also expect that he will have his share of "Wow, did you see that play?" moments as well as those "WTF was he doing?" moments. Fans are always clamoring for defensive players to get more playing time early, and that is what it brings. We see rooks from other teams start and make nice plays, but we don't watch them closely enough to see the horrible mistakes they make on other plays. The main benefit is that early playing time probably gets them farther along faster, but it can still be painful to watch.

[Slapstick]

I can see Bud getting more time by mid-season. I also expect that he will have his share of "Wow, did you see that play?" moments as well as those "WTF was he doing?" moments. Fans are always clamoring for defensive players to get more playing time early, and that is what it brings. We see rooks from other teams start and make nice plays, but we don't watch them closely enough to see the horrible mistakes they make on other plays. The main benefit is that early playing time probably gets them farther along faster, but it can still be painful to watch.

Therefore, the key is putting those rookies in a position to be successful while keeping them away from positions where their presence can be taken advantage of by the opposing offense. If that's third and long, then let him pin his ears back while he works on his complete game.

[Oviedo]

It's just pre-season, but I have seen nothing from Moats to suggest he will be much of a factor in adding to the pass rush. Let's hope he is pacing himself.

[phillyesq]

It's just pre-season, but I have seen nothing from Moats to suggest he will be much of a factor in adding to the pass rush. Let's hope he is pacing himself.

He'll never be Woodley and probably, sadly, won't even be Jason Worilds. But he did get to the QB a bit in limited time last year. I think you hope that he has a Clark Haggans type year - 6-8 sacks while playing solid run D.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

He'll never be Woodley and probably, sadly, won't even be Jason Worilds. But he did get to the QB a bit in limited time last year. I think you hope that he has a Clark Haggans type year - 6-8 sacks while playing solid run D.
I would take that in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I think that's his ceiling. Frankly, I'd be surprised with more than 6 sacks, but, do expect him to do a solid job in run D

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I would take that in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I think that's his ceiling. Frankly, I'd be surprised with more than 6 sacks, but, do expect him to do a solid job in run D

Last season Worilds had 7.5 sacks, 59 combined tackles, 1 FF, 2 recoveries, 2 PDs, and 1 int. Whether 6-8 sacks is his starting point or his ceiling, it is not a whole lot different than what we saw last year out of that position. Remember, Worilds was on the field for 98.8% of the defensive snaps last season. Even if Moats sees 75%, and records 6 sacks, and Dupree can contribute 3 or 4, then that is at least comparable production.

[steelsnis]

It's just pre-season, but I have seen nothing from Moats to suggest he will be much of a factor in adding to the pass rush. Let's hope he is pacing himself.

One of the dangers of preseason is that the players (at ANY position) don't get a chance to set guys up. Think of a WR using a double move to beat a CB deep. You first have to run a couple of generic Out Routes to lull the CB into biting on it. You're setting him up.

Same goes for OLB's rushing the passer. It's important to go up against a guy over and over again because you can set him up. Rush outside a bunch, then suddenly dip inside to beat him for a sack. Preseason really doesn't give us the chance to see that.

What I really liked about this past game however, is that Butler/Tomlin purposely didn't run any stunts. They wanted the pass rushers to beat their man straight up without a lot of blitzing or scheming. The fact that they were able to get 6 sacks (even in a preseason game) is a good sign IMO.

[feltdizz]

Yeah, thats what it's about. You sir are a **** stirrer.

I call it how I read it bruh..

[Slapstick]

I call it how I read it bruh..

Don't, please. Learn from my mistakes. Reason will not work.

[Shawn]

I call it how I read it bruh.. Bruh? Call it how you wish. But, anytime there is some heated disagreement and it starts to calm down there are a select few who like to come along and stir it up again. You are one of those people. Second, I clarified everything Slappy misrepresented and you purposely decided to reiterate the nonsense. That to me is **** stirring. So, I guess I'll just call it how I see it, bruh.

[Shawn]

He'll never be Woodley and probably, sadly, won't even be Jason Worilds. But he did get to the QB a bit in limited time last year. I think you hope that he has a Clark Haggans type year - 6-8 sacks while playing solid run D. I'm going to disagree. I know I'm out on a limb with this one but I like Moats. What he lacks in pure athletic ability he makes up for in motor. I like his intensity. While I'll grant you that his preseason hasn't been impressive, I like what I seen last season. When he was on the field I was watching him. He gets push, sets the edge and has just enough pass rush to be disruptive. While I don't believe he is a star, I think he could become more than serviceable...maybe even good. I would put him at the higher end of your prediction and say 8+ sacks depending on how much time he is sharing with Dupree.

[Oviedo]

I'm going to disagree. I know I'm out on a limb with this one but I like Moats. What he lacks in pure athletic ability he makes up for in motor. I like his intensity. While I'll grant you that his preseason hasn't been impressive, I like what I seen last season. When he was on the field I was watching him. He gets push, sets the edge and has just enough pass rush to be disruptive. While I don't believe he is a star, I think he could become more than serviceable...maybe even good. I would put him at the higher end of your prediction and say 8+ sacks depending on how much time he is sharing with Dupree.

Problem is we have two OLBs on opposite sides who have high motors but you have to get to the QB to make a difference...just my opinion. High energy only gets you so far if you aren't punishing the opponents most important player

Look back to when we had our best defenses. It was when we were getting actual sacks not getting close. We need to get back to the former.

[Jooser]

Problem is we have two OLBs on opposite sides who have high motors but you have to get to the QB to make a difference...just my opinion. High energy only gets you so far if you aren't punishing the opponents most important player

Look back to when we had our best defenses. It was when we were getting actual sacks not getting close. We need to get back to the former.

Ask Aaron Rogers what that HIGH ENERGY felt like in his own end zone last Sunday, Ovi. Don't push the panic button yet, it's only preseason. This team will evolve over the next 4 months defensively.

[Shawn]

Problem is we have two OLBs on opposite sides who have high motors but you have to get to the QB to make a difference...just my opinion. High energy only gets you so far if you aren't punishing the opponents most important player

Look back to when we had our best defenses. It was when we were getting actual sacks not getting close. We need to get back to the former. I hear you. I have some of the same concerns myself. But, I want to see how this plays out. None of us really know what JJ or Moats is capable of doing as full time starters. JJ young, growing, injuries. Moats lack of full time work all should concern Steeler fans. With that said, as Jooser stated no need to panic. If by game 4 they are not getting to the QB or RBs are slicing them up...then panic might be in order.

[Oviedo]

Ask Aaron Rogers what that HIGH ENERGY felt like in his own end zone last Sunday, Ovi. Don't push the panic button yet, it's only preseason. This team will evolve over the next 4 months defensively.

I am comfortable with that but Sunday proves my point. We put Rodgers and the other QBs ON THE GROUND six times. We weren't just getting close. I am actually very hopeful about the defense this season. I would rather see them play very aggressive versus the play it safe nonsense we saw too much of the past couple of seasons.

[Slapstick]

I've posted the numbers before, but Moats makes plays when he actually plays at 3-4 OLB...he hasn't had a lot of starts on the outside up to this point in his career. But, when he's at that position, good things happen for him.

[Rara]

Dupree showed improvement against Green Bay. Time to turn it up!

[Rara]

I'm honestly more worried about Jarvis Jones than Bud Dupree at this point.

[Shawn]

I'm honestly more worried about Jarvis Jones than Bud Dupree at this point. I have mild concerns about both. I believe both are going to be good LBrs. The question for me is when.

[Slapstick]

I'm honestly more worried about Jarvis Jones than Bud Dupree at this point.

Yeah, it depends on how that wrist holds up...

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You are either a lawyer, or an English teacher, I noticed my less than perfect phrasing after I hit send and was going to edit, but then I said, "Nah, this is a Steeler forum, not a friggin' AP English exam, who's going to care,", I should have known better!:Beer

[Slapstick]

You are either a lawyer, or an English teacher, I noticed my less than perfect phrasing after I hit send and was going to edit, but then I said, "Nah, this is a Steeler forum, not a friggin' AP English exam, who's going to care,", I should have known better!:Beer

I thought you did it on purpose...

I mean, it isn't like a bunch of posters leaped to his defense or anything...:D

[Eddie Spaghetti]

I thought you did it on purpose...

I mean, it isn't like a bunch of posters leaped to his defense or anything...:D

are you referring to me? its funny as hell the level of hypocrisy you display, but seem to not notice. you really need to step back and look in a mirror the next time you chide people for snide comments......

your holier than thou attitude wears pretty thin.....

but once again you are totally innocent and must have the last word....

[Ghost]

Ok, I think I started this latest mess with a funny ( I thought, as did Bradshaw's hairdresser) response to SanAntonio's post. Meant to be harmless as I knew what he meant. Everyone take a breath.

Besides we have rookies who are absolutely failing in preseason and are about to sign the anti dog whisperer. Focus people....

[Eddie Spaghetti]

I knew it was harmless joking around

just a typical slappy response which he will swear up and down that he is above. Its funny

[Slapstick]

Ok, I think I started this latest mess with a funny ( I thought, as did Bradshaw's hairdresser) response to SanAntonio's post. Meant to be harmless as I knew what he meant. Everyone take a breath.

Besides we have rookies who are absolutely failing in preseason and are about to sign the anti dog whisperer. Focus people....

What you inadvertently did was hilarious. I thought it might have been purposeful, like good natured ribbing, but the fact that it was accidental makes it funnier!

[Oviedo]

I'm honestly more worried about Jarvis Jones than Bud Dupree at this point.

No argument from me

[feltdizz]

Bruh? Call it how you wish. But, anytime there is some heated disagreement and it starts to calm down there are a select few who like to come along and stir it up again. You are one of those people. Second, I clarified everything Slappy misrepresented and you purposely decided to reiterate the nonsense. That to me is **** stirring. So, I guess I'll just call it how I see it, bruh.
People read the boards at different times bruh..

[BradshawsHairdresser]

You are either a lawyer, or an English teacher, I noticed my less than perfect phrasing after I hit send and was going to edit, but then I said, "Nah, this is a Steeler forum, not a friggin' AP English exam, who's going to care,", I should have known better!:Beer

I didn't even notice it until I read Ghost's post. Don't think he meant to be critical, just thought it was funny (as did I). I'm sure you wouldn't have to go through many of my posts to find something to laugh at!

[HarriSon]

Didn't hear about this. Ugh. It's been a rough start for him.

[Oviedo]

Yeah, it depends on how that wrist holds up...

Another excuse for underwhelming performance. Staring early in the year aren't you;) Before you lose your mind I'm just poking fun. I want to see Jones be successful as much as you do but I just don't see it the same way you do actually happening.

[Captain Lemming]

Problem is we have two OLBs on opposite sides who have high motors but you have to get to the QB to make a difference...just my opinion. High energy only gets you so far if you aren't punishing the opponents most important player

Look back to when we had our best defenses. It was when we were getting actual sacks not getting close. We need to get back to the former.

Hey I thought only LeBeau needed talent. He is gone so it doesn't matter who rushes the passer.

[Slapstick]

Another excuse for underwhelming performance. Staring early in the year aren't you;) Before you lose your mind I'm just poking fun. I want to see Jones be successful as much as you do but I just don't see it the same way you do actually happening.

One of us loses his mind when his opinion is questioned, but it is not me...

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

I didn't even notice it until I read Ghost's post. Don't think he meant to be critical, just thought it was funny (as did I). I'm sure you wouldn't have to go through many of my posts to find something to laugh at!

Thanks BSHD! I figured he was kidding, that's why I did the beer thing. Otherwise it would have been one of the "other" fine Planet Steeler icons!

[feltdizz]

Hey I thought only LeBeau needed talent. He is gone so it doesn't matter who rushes the passer.

It's been interesting watching Ovi build up this argument against Lebeau's philosophy and then argue against it because he doesn't like JJ.

[DukieBoy]

What the heck has happened to this forum over the past few years? It used to be friendly and supportive. (not referring to you, Eddie Spaghetti).

Agree, SAS.

[raycafan]

Agree, SAS.

I second his second

[Captain Lemming]

What the heck has happened to this forum over the past few years? It used to be friendly and supportive. (not referring to you, Eddie Spaghetti).
Disagree
Wow, I never been there.
Used to be more contentious with the guys who are long gone

[Shawn]

Disagree
Wow, I never been there.
Used to be more contentious with the guys who are long gone They must have never been with us at the Trib...lol.

[Slapstick]

Disagree
Wow, I never been there.
Used to be more contentious with the guys who are long gone

It is different. Back in the day, people had strong opinions and contentious discussions followed. Now, people get their panties in a bunch of you even hint at disputing their opinion...as though it is a personal affront. Overly sensitive.

[Oviedo]

One of us loses his mind when his opinion is questioned, but it is not me...

Sure it isn't:D Recognition is the first step to getting well:D

[Oviedo]

It's been interesting watching Ovi build up this argument against Lebeau's philosophy and then argue against it because he doesn't like JJ.

Why do you think the two are mutually exclusive. I didn't like how the former DC did many things towards the end of his time here. I think I laid those out pretty clearly.

That has nothing to do with the fact that I think Jones was over drafted and won't deliver what the team hoped for when they drafted him.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

It is different. Back in the day, people had strong opinions and contentious discussions followed. Now, people get their panties in a bunch of you even hint at disputing their opinion...as though it is a personal affront. Overly sensitive.

Your memory fails you...if we could go back and look at the old Trib board, we'd find much the same thing as we see on this board nowadays.

[Shawn]

Your memory fails you...if we could go back and look at the old Trib board, we'd find much the same thing as we see on this board nowadays. Actually, it was much worse. The 30 page flame matches with MSM, Crash, and many others that happened not only at the Trib but here in it's infancy were impressive. People have selective memories that match agendas when they have an ax to grind.

[Ghost]

I really enjoy this board and it's the only one I post on. But I joined the old Trib board in 2003 when the Steelers were in the midst of a horrid season and eventually went 6-10. Talk about melt downs. That place was always good for a laugh as it was a bit of the wild west and you never knew what might be said. Other than the racist, homophobic, and angry-mean posts it was quite pleasant... Downright EPIC arguments that lasted for weeks and page after page. Ahhhhhhh... the gold old days.... The beer was cold, the TV was loud, and the homosexuals were flamming!

[feltdizz]

They must have never been with us at the Trib...lol.

that place was a mess.. a good mess but a mess none the less.

I signed up to the Trib because there was a TON of ignorance about Tomlin being spouted when he was going through the hiring process.

[Shawn]

that place was a mess.. a good mess but a mess none the less.

I signed up to the Trib because there was a TON of ignorance about Tomlin being spouted when he was going through the hiring process. It was entertaining to say the least. I'm ok functioning in either style of community. The old Trib, sit back and eat popcorn and watch it unfold days...and the tamer more civilized PS days are both ok by me. But, this place now is very very tame and civilized compared to the Trib AND to PS in the early years. We get butt hurt, pick at people and even have some day long melt downs. But, all in all this is probably the calmest Steeler community I have been a part of.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I didn't like how the former DC did many things towards the end of his time here. I think I laid those out pretty clearly.

Yes. Crystal clear. ;)

[Shawn]

Yes. Crystal clear. ;) O, didn't like Lebeau? This is news to me. O, could you please lay it out one more time? :)

[RuthlessBurgher]

o, didn't like lebeau? This is news to me. O, could you please lay it out one more time? :)

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Oviedo]

Yes. Crystal clear. ;)

Clarity in life is a good thing.