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Shoe
04-28-2015, 07:42 PM
If given the choice (i.e. both were sitting there) who would you prefer?

Who's transgressions do you tend to mitigate. And, how would Peters (the UW CB) fit into that mix. Peters is purported to have a comparable talent, and also brings baggage. Is anyone's baggage not worth carrying at 22?

Personally, I would tend to carry Ray's baggage, if he actually is all that. From what I've seen though, he looks like another Bruce Irvin?

hawaiiansteel
04-28-2015, 08:02 PM
I would take Peters over Ray and Gregory...

BradshawsHairdresser
04-28-2015, 08:05 PM
I would take Peters over Ray and Gregory... Take them all. Hire an anger management specialist to work with Peters. Hire another specialist to teach Ray and Gregory how to beat the drug tests. Of course, I'm kidding.

Shoe
04-28-2015, 08:23 PM
My point is to really find out how talented these guys are. Because if Jarvis Jones had these, he'd have been a 4th round pick. But I'd still have Aldon Smith on my team, with all the crap he's done. If either of these guys has 15-sack potential, I'd take them.

K Train
04-28-2015, 08:25 PM
I'd rank them Ray, peters, Gregory.

I love them all but Gregory is the one least likely to translate to the pros well considering his small frame

SteelCrazy
04-28-2015, 09:56 PM
I'd rank them Ray, peters, Gregory.

I love them all but Gregory is the one least likely to translate to the pros well considering his small frame

I disagree. I think Gregory is most ready for the pro's comparatively. Watching his play recently has really made me feel even stronger about his readiness. If you throw out the personal stuff Gregory is the best in my opinion.

Why do you think he isnt ready? Nevermind, for some reason I didnt see the small frame comment. Gregory has the technique, the speed and the strength to be successful. He can add a few pounds easily.

BradshawsHairdresser
04-28-2015, 10:52 PM
Of the three, I'd say Peters would be the one most likely to step in and contribute to the Steelers' D in 2015. I think he could be starting early in the season, and be the best CB on the roster before long...IF he's not a head case.

I think Gregory and Ray could both be tremendous pro players, if they don't love weed more than they do football. I agree with Crazy, I think Gregory's a little more pro-ready than Ray (from an on-field perspective), and I think the Steelers' strength coaches could get him on a program to bulk him up a bit.

When it comes to their talent and potential, I like all of these players a lot. I just don't know about their character. Unless the Steelers are confident about their character, I'll bet they stay away from them (unless they should somehow drop out of the first couple of rounds).

SteelCrazy
04-28-2015, 11:42 PM
For some reason, the media experts have labeled Gregory as slow off the snap. From everything I know about football, I do not see it that way. He makes his moves off of several different reads which can make it look like he is slow. But take my word for it, or not, the guy is quick when going strictly off the ball.

phillyesq
04-29-2015, 07:40 AM
From what I've watched of both, I prefer Gregory over Ray. And I didn't like Mingo, even though they have similar frames. Gregory seems to use his hands well and he also has exceptional athleticism. I'd probably rank them Gregory - Ray - Peters.

K Train
04-29-2015, 07:47 AM
I disagree. I think Gregory is most ready for the pro's comparatively. Watching his play recently has really made me feel even stronger about his readiness. If you throw out the personal stuff Gregory is the best in my opinion.

Why do you think he isnt ready? Nevermind, for some reason I didnt see the small frame comment. Gregory has the technique, the speed and the strength to be successful. He can add a few pounds easily.

Gregory has bend that you can't teach and he plays with good leverage. But he also has a thin and narrow frame and between him and Ray I'd think he would be more likely to fail as a pass rusher. Might still be a unique SLB like manny Lawson who is great in coverage at 6-6 and fluid in space but can't get after the QB

K Train
04-29-2015, 07:50 AM
From what I've watched of both, I prefer Gregory over Ray. And I didn't like Mingo, even though they have similar frames. Gregory seems to use his hands well and he also has exceptional athleticism. I'd probably rank them Gregory - Ray - Peters.

Ray has the athleticism I would call exceptional. Guy is a blur off the snap.

Ray has a better first step, is a nicer kid from what I've heard, he has a stronger upper body, but most importantly he plays harder. He's a very high effort player.

Gregory has unreal ability to bend, he is longer, and probably a bit smoother

IMO you are getting a top 5 prospect with either but I do think its scary a 6-6 guy can't get his weight up above the 230s. It's at least concerning

K Train
04-29-2015, 07:51 AM
Also, peters would be the most likely to have a seamless transition to the pros

phillyesq
04-29-2015, 08:01 AM
Ray has the athleticism I would call exceptional. Guy is a blur off the snap.

Ray has a better first step, is a nicer kid from what I've heard, he has a stronger upper body, but most importantly he plays harder. He's a very high effort player.

Gregory has unreal ability to bend, he is longer, and probably a bit smoother

IMO you are getting a top 5 prospect with either but I do think its scary a 6-6 guy can't get his weight up above the 230s. It's at least concerning

Yeah, I share that concern. Right now, he is about the same size as Plaxico Burress. If you draft Gregory, you immediately bring in Casey Hampton as his person dietician.

K Train
04-29-2015, 08:13 AM
The worry has been since even before the combine that he is nearly maxed out for his frame...thin and narrow but he's all muscle. Everyone wants to say "draft him, he will be able to put on 15 pounds with pro strength and conditioning" but the concern with teams is he will not be able to pack on any more good weight.

Bad weight and we could be looking at an Aaron maybin level bust

Rara
04-29-2015, 09:50 AM
If it were down to Peters, Ray and Gregory...It'd be a great problem for the Steelers to have, to be honest. Pick of the crop (despite each having their off-field issues, that can surely be handled).

That is my ranking: Marcus Peters, Shane Ray and Randy Gregory.

Shawn
04-29-2015, 09:55 AM
I would say put them all three in the pentagon and let them settle this like men.

SteelerOfDeVille
04-29-2015, 12:20 PM
From what I've watched of both, I prefer Gregory over Ray. And I didn't like Mingo, even though they have similar frames. Gregory seems to use his hands well and he also has exceptional athleticism. I'd probably rank them Gregory - Ray - Peters.
totally on-board with that ... 100%

papillon
04-29-2015, 12:24 PM
totally on-board with that ... 100%

Boy would I like for this to be the dilemma that the Steelers have tomorrow night, trying to determine which of those guys to take with the 1.22 pick.

Pappy

SteelerOfDeVille
04-29-2015, 12:53 PM
Boy would I like for this to be the dilemma that the Steelers have tomorrow night, trying to determine which of those guys to take with the 1.22 pick.

Pappy
what scares the crap outta me is they have the dilemma with all 3 on the board and they come away with Landon Collins or a "safe" picks.

Slapstick
04-29-2015, 01:19 PM
what scares the crap outta me is they have the dilemma with all 3 on the board and they come away with Landon Collins or a "safe" picks.

Given the stupidity demonstrated by all three at one time or another, I wouldn't have a problem with a "safe" pick...

phillyesq
04-29-2015, 02:17 PM
Interesting take on Gregory.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488780/article/concern-exists-on-gregory-handling-pro-footballs-mental-rigors

A few years ago, with a locker room that included Polamalu, Keisel, Smith, Hampton, Farrior, Ike, Clark, et al, I'd have no question that the Steelers would be the ideal fit for a guy like that. Now, with Harrison the sole guy left from that era, I'm not quite as sure that the Steelers are the fit they would have been a few years ago.

I still think he is likely worth the risk, but it's a real interesting issue.

K Train
04-29-2015, 02:43 PM
Polamalu, Keisel, Smith, Hampton, Farrior, Ike, Clark

Why put these guys on a pedestal?

RuthlessBurgher
04-29-2015, 03:24 PM
Why put these guys on a pedestal?

Why put Greene, Lambert, Ham, Blount, Bradshaw, Webster, Harris, Swann, Stallworth, etc. on a pedestal?

They're champions. Multiple champions. All of them.

K Train
04-29-2015, 03:37 PM
Why put Greene, Lambert, Ham, Blount, Bradshaw, Webster, Harris, Swann, Stallworth, etc. on a pedestal?

They're champions. Multiple champions. All of them.
So everyone with the exception of harrison on the defense now was either a one time champion (timmons, gay) or mentored by a champion lol

SteelCrazy
04-29-2015, 05:16 PM
its silly to think Gregory cant pack on 15 lbs of muscle. Plus, he is already stronger then he looks. He is fast off the snap as well.The defense he played in though didnt allow him to go solely off the snap. Most of his role was a containment guy, tackle reads and such.

K Train
04-29-2015, 05:19 PM
its silly to think Gregory cant pack on 15 lbs of muscle.

Why? He has shown that he cant add weight and keep it on

SteelCrazy
04-29-2015, 05:33 PM
because the body will add muscle despite the frame

Chadman
04-29-2015, 06:16 PM
I think his weight is going to be an early career concern. The older he gets, the heavier he will get. But he does look light. But then, we drafted a light LB last year...

The mental aspects are more concerning. But how much can you believe or read into this stuff? Isn't every player a potential character risk? Was there concern about LeVeon Bell coming into the draft about being a drug offending danger?

Team environment will, a lot of the time, determine if a players character is a risk.

Flasteel
04-29-2015, 06:52 PM
I wouldn't touch Gregory with a 10-foot pole. Skinny and doesn't seem to impress me on any level with his intangibles (or lack thereof). I would easily rather have Double-O than Gregory in the first and it's not even close for me. However with Ray dropping, I'm not sure I wouldn't go in that direction if he's on the board when we pick. I would be cool with Peters as well.

SteelCrazy
04-29-2015, 09:12 PM
I wouldn't touch Gregory with a 10-foot pole. Skinny and doesn't seem to impress me on any level with his intangibles (or lack thereof). I would easily rather have Double-O than Gregory in the first and it's not even close for me. However with Ray dropping, I'm not sure I wouldn't go in that direction if he's on the board when we pick. I would be cool with Peters as well.

Where Gregory doesnt impress you, he impresses the hell out of me. Fast off the snap, stronger then he looks, well I have already said it. Guess we'll find out in a year or three.

Chucktownsteeler
04-29-2015, 09:14 PM
No more Jones' or Shaziers please.

K Train
04-29-2015, 10:23 PM
Where Gregory doesnt impress you, he impresses the hell out of me. Fast off the snap, stronger then he looks, well I have already said it. Guess we'll find out in a year or three.

He's impressive with leverage for a 6-6 guy too

K Train
04-29-2015, 10:24 PM
No more Jones' or Shaziers please.

Lol. Go back to SA. Love what you are doing with it btw, place it booming.

grotonsteel
04-30-2015, 02:33 AM
Shane Ray...if his toe injury is not serious.

Chucktownsteeler
04-30-2015, 11:09 AM
Lol. Go back to SA. Love what you are doing with it btw, place it booming.
I been here since 2008. I could say the same to you, go back to 247. Place is boomimg with 3 regular posters. Plus I live in Chucktown.

RuthlessBurgher
05-01-2015, 09:16 PM
Cowboys just took Gregory.

7upnext
05-01-2015, 09:21 PM
Cowboys just took Gregory.

worth it to take the risk. Man, if he just plays to his potential he is steal of the draft and could be the difference to get them over the hump. Kudos to them

squidkid
05-01-2015, 09:25 PM
worth it to take the risk. Man, if he just plays to his potential he is steal of the draft and could be the difference to get them over the hump. Kudos to them

why didnt the steelers taKE HIM IF HE IS THE STEAL OF THE DRAFT AND bpa?

Slapstick
05-01-2015, 09:44 PM
Ummm...because he smokes a lot of weed?

If you know that ahead of time, why pick him?

You claim to hate picking marijuana smokers anyway, so why all the crying?