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RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 11:31 AM
What if Trae Waynes happened to fall farther down the draft board next week than many of us think he will at this point? I know that trading away prime picks isn't ideal, but if you could get the best player in the draft our position of biggest need, would you do it? After all, the team did just that when Troy Polamalu was coming out, and that certainly worked out quite well, even though we only ended up with 5 picks that year (Troy and Ike being two of them certainly helped, even though Alonzo Jackson was a huge bust between them).

What if Shane Ray fell within range for a reasonable trade up? That would be a huge need as well. What about someone unexpected like Danny Shelton?

It looks like, where we stand now, giving up our 2nd round pick could move us up 8 or 9 spots in the first round, our 3rd round pick could move us up 4 or 5 spots in the first round, our 4th round pick could move us up 2 spots in the first round, and our 5th round pick could move us up 1 spot in the first round.

Is there any point that you would hope the team pulls the trigger to get any of these guys (or anyone else) if they happen to fall to within a reasonable range for a trade up, and which pick would you be willing to give up to get him?

K Train
04-23-2015, 11:37 AM
Ray is the only guy I trade up for who I reasonably think could fall. Waynes is my #2 behind peters and a notch above Johnson.

I would trade up for ray and honestly if hes within reach I wouldnt be surprised if they made a move.

RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 11:50 AM
Ray is the only guy I trade up for who I reasonably think could fall. Waynes is my #2 behind peters and a notch above Johnson.

I would trade up for ray and honestly if hes within reach I wouldnt be surprised if they made a move.

If he fell to 13, would you be willing to give up your 2nd rounder?

If he fell to 17, would you be willing to give up your 3rd rounder?

If he fell to 19, would you be willing to give up your 4th and 5th rounder?

K Train
04-23-2015, 12:08 PM
If he fell to 13, would you be willing to give up your 2nd rounder?

If he fell to 17, would you be willing to give up your 3rd rounder?

If he fell to 19, would you be willing to give up your 4th and 5th rounder?

Yes, yes, and yes.


I know the general consensus is OMG WE NEED IMMEDIATE STARTERS AND THERES JUST TOO MANY HOLES

but realistically....giving up a second for (imo) one of the only 4 elite talents in the draft is a small price to pay. If he turns out to be a 20 sack a year guy then the secondary isnt quite as big of an issue...plus they can address that in round 3 with Shaw, IEO, Carter, ect...

Shawn
04-23-2015, 12:14 PM
Nope, trade down.

Slapstick
04-23-2015, 12:14 PM
Ouch! Damn...

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/04/nfl_draft_2015_edge_rusher_prospect_shane_ray_migh .html

K Train
04-23-2015, 12:19 PM
Nope, trade down.

the team needs an impact player at 1-2 positions....stock piling lesser talents isnt the way to achieve that.

The roster isnt has bare as some make it out to be...OLB, FS, CB and TE to a much lesser extent

Id rather come out with a great player and a good player than a good player and 5 depth/ST/"solid contributors"

The steelers have decent depth and good role players, they lack impact players on defense

K Train
04-23-2015, 12:20 PM
Ouch! Damn...

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/04/nfl_draft_2015_edge_rusher_prospect_shane_ray_migh .html

If hes there at 22 he is the pick..no doubt in my mind

RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 12:25 PM
If hes there at 22 he is the pick..no doubt in my mind

I'd take him at #22 over a second tier player even if he has to start his rookie year on PUP (assuming no other bona fide studs fall to #22 as well).

K Train
04-23-2015, 12:28 PM
I'd take him at #22 over a second tier player even if he has to start his rookie year on PUP (assuming no other bona fide studs fall to #22 as well).

Thats fine with me....people are so short sighted, you take him with the intentions of what he can do over the long term and as a cornerstone of your defense...not because he is a rookie that might start in september. If moats, Harrison, Jones, and reserve guy (HJ or Zumwalt) cant play as the rotation in september without a draft pick then they went about addressing OLB very wrong

Remember week 5 of 2005 when the chargers unleashed merriman on the steelers? The guy was a nightmare to deal with out of nowhere

Discipline of Steel
04-23-2015, 12:32 PM
I dont know other teams draft needs too well but Id throw in a 3rd or 4th round pick to trade up for Waynes or even Peters.
Still hoping we use our 2nd on Heaths heir apparent....Mr. Walford

RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 12:59 PM
Remember week 5 of 2005 when the chargers unleashed merriman on the steelers? The guy was a nightmare to deal with out of nowhere

Are you saying that we should draft Ray and pump him full of steroids?!? :stirpot

Iron City Inc.
04-23-2015, 01:00 PM
I do not see a great difference in talent between 8 and 30. So moving up in the 1st would not be on my radar. However at the top of the second should someone fall like Johnson,Peters or Jones all corners who would be an upgrade for us slide I would look into a move there if the price wasn't to high.

RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 01:11 PM
I do not see a great difference in talent between 8 and 30. So moving up in the 1st would not be on my radar. However at the top of the second should someone fall like Johnson,Peters or Jones all corners who would be an upgrade for us slide I would look into a move there if the price wasn't to high.

Giving up our 3rd rounder could move us up about 15 spots in round two.

Giving up our 4th rounder could move us up about 5 spots in round two.

Giving up our 5th rounder could move us up about 3 spots in round two.

Giving up our 6th rounder could move us up about 1 spot in round two.

Snatch98
04-23-2015, 01:11 PM
I still want peters more than ray. Peters immediately helps the linebackers. He's a lockdown corner that can catch but also play physical. Although I guess the inverse would be a relentless pass rush that forces qbs into poor throws. I still feel like corner is a bigger need than olb and that's with me not giving up on Allen.

K Train
04-23-2015, 01:38 PM
I still want peters more than ray. Peters immediately helps the linebackers. He's a lockdown corner that can catch but also play physical. Although I guess the inverse would be a relentless pass rush that forces qbs into poor throws. I still feel like corner is a bigger need than olb and that's with me not giving up on Allen.

unless they start playing the CBs way more press man and get a single high safety to help out a pass rusher is much more of an impact. I like peters a lot though, either would be a great add....i would just take ray first

Oviedo
04-23-2015, 02:18 PM
Generally--only position that I think you should ever trade up for is to get a really good QB. You can always have multiple, almost equal choices at other positions.

Draft picks are too valuable in the salary cap era to give them up unless it is to get that "franchise" QB everyone seems to need to have a chance to win.

Slapstick
04-23-2015, 02:56 PM
Perhaps. But, if you could add a Polamalu type player to your roster, shouldn't you?

RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 03:05 PM
Perhaps. But, if you could add a Polamalu type player to your roster, shouldn't you?

The two times Colbert traded up in the first, he got a future Hall of Famer in Troy Polamalu and a Super Bowl MVP in Santonio Holmes. The one time Colbert traded down in the first, he got the keystone to our 3-4 defense for a decade in Casey Hampton.

I'm surprised he doesn't trade his first round picks (up or down) more often.

After the first round, though, draft day trades tend to lead to guys like Ricardo Colclough, Daniel Sepulveda, Alameda Ta'Amu, and Shamarko Thomas.

I'm surprised he doesn't trade his picks after the first round less often.

hawaiiansteel
04-23-2015, 03:10 PM
i would just take ray first

won't have to trade up for Ray now, he's going to drop perhaps out of the first round.

Report: Missouri DE Shane Ray might need surgery, could be out 5 months

By Eric Edholm

Lance Zierlein, who writes for NFL.com, reported Thursday morning that Missouri pass rusher Shane Ray might need toe surgery and could be out as much as five months.

That would put the start of Ray's rookie season in doubt and could make him a PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list candidate. Might that drop Ray, who had been talked about as a top-10 pickm, from first-round consideration?

Shutdown Corner received texts back from two teams on Ray — one was concerned, one was not. The concerned team called Ray's toe "a major concern," and the one that didn't said their team doctors thought Ray could wear an orthotic shoe to help correct the problem, which could speed up his timetable.

Ray had a monster junior season for the Tigers, collecting 14.5 sacks and 22.5 tackles for loss in being named SEC Defensive Player of the Year. He declared early for the draft after setting the Mizzou single-season sack record but has been able to showcase his skills this offseason — including at the NFL scouting combine — because of the injury in his foot.

Although he worked out at his pro day, Ray turned in some sub-par running times. He might not be considered until the middle of the first round, and it's possible this injury and Ray's limitations as a 245-pound edge player could even cause a slide out of Round 1.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report--missouri-de-shane-ray-might-need-surgery--could-be-out-5-months-152508744.html;_ylt=A0SO8yULQzlVqiYArnpXNyoA;_ylu= X3oDMTEzcmsxOTJzBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVklQNT k0XzEEc2VjA3Nj

birtikidis
04-23-2015, 03:12 PM
I don't trade up unless it's a talent that could define the franchise for a decade. Say a Troy Polamalu. Or a Big Ben. I don't see any player that would be in our reach that I'd go up for.

K Train
04-23-2015, 03:24 PM
I don't trade up unless it's a talent that could define the franchise for a decade. Say a Troy Polamalu. Or a Big Ben. I don't see any player that would be in our reach that I'd go up for.

Cause polamalu (or bustamalu as i recall) was such a sure thing lol. Hindsight is very real

Snatch98
04-23-2015, 03:40 PM
unless they start playing the CBs way more press man and get a single high safety to help out a pass rusher is much more of an impact. I like peters a lot though, either would be a great add....i would just take ray first

I think we are going to see more press with butler. I also think if we draft peters it will be an indication of change. I'm excited to use what butler does with the d but I also expect to see a bunch of coach lebeau as well.

K Train
04-23-2015, 03:47 PM
I think we are going to see more press with butler. I also think if we draft peters it will be an indication of change. I'm excited to use what butler does with the d but I also expect to see a bunch of coach lebeau as well.

They played a lot more press last year and the year before (especially with Allen...he is completely inept at off zone coverage but looks pretty good most of the time in man).

They dont have the corner play or the safety play to do it all the time, and theres no FS worth taking in the first round this year (Landon Collins shouldnt even be considered, hes the direct opposite of what they need)

Bolstering the pass rush will let them ease into more man as the search continues for a FS and CB but better pass rush will allow them to be a little more aggressive with the CBs rather than having to be more aggressive with the front seven and leaving someone wide open with no one to compensate.

RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 04:10 PM
Cause polamalu (or bustamalu as i recall) was such a sure thing lol. Hindsight is very real

Should have stayed put and just taken Mike Doss. He's just as good as Polamalu anyway, and then we'd still have our 3rd and 6th round picks and not just 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7...CB Julian Battle in the 3rd and QB Brooks Bollinger in the 6th are nothing to sneeze at, ya know. :stirpot

K Train
04-23-2015, 04:12 PM
Should have stayed put and just taken Mike Doss. He's just as good as Polamalu anyway, and then we'd still have our 3rd and 6th round picks and not just 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7...CB Julian Battle in the 3rd and QB Brooks Bollinger in the 6th are nothing to sneeze at, ya know. :stirpot

Awesome post lol

RuthlessBurgher
04-23-2015, 04:17 PM
won't have to trade up for Ray now, he's going to drop perhaps out of the first round.

Report: Missouri DE Shane Ray might need surgery, could be out 5 months

By Eric Edholm

Lance Zierlein, who writes for NFL.com, reported Thursday morning that Missouri pass rusher Shane Ray might need toe surgery and could be out as much as five months.

That would put the start of Ray's rookie season in doubt and could make him a PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list candidate. Might that drop Ray, who had been talked about as a top-10 pickm, from first-round consideration?

Shutdown Corner received texts back from two teams on Ray — one was concerned, one was not. The concerned team called Ray's toe "a major concern," and the one that didn't said their team doctors thought Ray could wear an orthotic shoe to help correct the problem, which could speed up his timetable.

Ray had a monster junior season for the Tigers, collecting 14.5 sacks and 22.5 tackles for loss in being named SEC Defensive Player of the Year. He declared early for the draft after setting the Mizzou single-season sack record but has been able to showcase his skills this offseason — including at the NFL scouting combine — because of the injury in his foot.

Although he worked out at his pro day, Ray turned in some sub-par running times. He might not be considered until the middle of the first round, and it's possible this injury and Ray's limitations as a 245-pound edge player could even cause a slide out of Round 1.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report--missouri-de-shane-ray-might-need-surgery--could-be-out-5-months-152508744.html;_ylt=A0SO8yULQzlVqiYArnpXNyoA;_ylu= X3oDMTEzcmsxOTJzBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVklQNT k0XzEEc2VjA3Nj

On the other hand (or in this case, other foot)...


Report: Shane Ray doesn’t need foot surgery

Posted by Josh Alper on April 23, 2015, 3:25 PM EDT

Missouri pass rusher Shane Ray wasn’t able to participate in the combine in February because of a foot injury he suffered in the team’s bowl game and the injury has lingered long enough to create concern from at least one team that he’d need surgery before he’d be ready to return to action.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that a foot specialist told Ray that’s not the case. Per Rapoport, Ray needs to rest the injury rather than have an operation.

There still might be an impact on his draft status, however. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported the same about the need for surgery on television Thursday, but added that Ray will “need to take it easy initially” when he begins working with his new team.

Ray is part of a gaggle of pass rushing prospects, including Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, Bud Dupree and Randy Gregory, that have been discussed as first-round picks. Any fear that his transition to the NFL will be compromised by an injury is likely to make teams think twice about using a high pick on Ray if they’ve got similar ratings on another available prospect.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/23/report-shane-ray-doesnt-need-foot-surgery/

7upnext
04-23-2015, 04:36 PM
What if Trae Waynes happened to fall farther down the draft board next week than many of us think he will at this point? I know that trading away prime picks isn't ideal, but if you could get the best player in the draft our position of biggest need, would you do it? After all, the team did just that when Troy Polamalu was coming out, and that certainly worked out quite well, even though we only ended up with 5 picks that year (Troy and Ike being two of them certainly helped, even though Alonzo Jackson was a huge bust between them).

What if Shane Ray fell within range for a reasonable trade up? That would be a huge need as well. What about someone unexpected like Danny Shelton?

It looks like, where we stand now, giving up our 2nd round pick could move us up 8 or 9 spots in the first round, our 3rd round pick could move us up 4 or 5 spots in the first round, our 4th round pick could move us up 2 spots in the first round, and our 5th round pick could move us up 1 spot in the first round.

Is there any point that you would hope the team pulls the trigger to get any of these guys (or anyone else) if they happen to fall to within a reasonable range for a trade up, and which pick would you be willing to give up to get him?

Great question! I really don't think anyone amazing is going to fall to us. I wouldn't be surprised if Ray gets taken at 6 by Jets and if not, he is just too good to fall out of top 15 and the price to move up is too much. I think our biggest need is in the secondary. I am not impressed by anyone on the roster. Not one. I think Collins would be an immediate starter at a need position and he might be there. Waynes is the one corner worth trading up for but he won't fall far enough to warrant a trade up. Shelton is no better than what we already have. That isn't to say he won't be great it's just that I think we are covered at the position well into the future.

I don't think they will trade up, but if they did it wouldn't be with a 2nd included. I could see the 3rd if at all though. That would move us up to #17 and based on mocks there isn't a player in the #15-#20 that is worth the price. I've read a few mocks that have Ray falling to us with no trade. I'm wondering if they are Steelers fans lol or am I way off in my assessment of him as a player. I just think he's the best OLB in the draft period. If he was to fall to us I would break my neck trying to do a backflip. So if these mocks are correct and Ray does fall into that 15-20 range I absolutely trade up for him

7upnext
04-23-2015, 04:43 PM
won't have to trade up for Ray now, he's going to drop perhaps out of the first round.

Report: Missouri DE Shane Ray might need surgery, could be out 5 months

By Eric Edholm

Lance Zierlein, who writes for NFL.com, reported Thursday morning that Missouri pass rusher Shane Ray might need toe surgery and could be out as much as five months.

That would put the start of Ray's rookie season in doubt and could make him a PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list candidate. Might that drop Ray, who had been talked about as a top-10 pickm, from first-round consideration?

Shutdown Corner received texts back from two teams on Ray — one was concerned, one was not. The concerned team called Ray's toe "a major concern," and the one that didn't said their team doctors thought Ray could wear an orthotic shoe to help correct the problem, which could speed up his timetable.

Ray had a monster junior season for the Tigers, collecting 14.5 sacks and 22.5 tackles for loss in being named SEC Defensive Player of the Year. He declared early for the draft after setting the Mizzou single-season sack record but has been able to showcase his skills this offseason — including at the NFL scouting combine — because of the injury in his foot.

Although he worked out at his pro day, Ray turned in some sub-par running times. He might not be considered until the middle of the first round, and it's possible this injury and Ray's limitations as a 245-pound edge player could even cause a slide out of Round 1.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report--missouri-de-shane-ray-might-need-surgery--could-be-out-5-months-152508744.html;_ylt=A0SO8yULQzlVqiYArnpXNyoA;_ylu= X3oDMTEzcmsxOTJzBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVklQNT k0XzEEc2VjA3Nj

If this news (and I have heard conflicting reports) makes him fall to us I would have the card up to the commissioner before he could finish "the Pittsburgh Steelers are on the..."

K Train
04-23-2015, 04:47 PM
If this news (and I have heard conflicting reports) makes him fall to us I would have the card up to the commissioner before he could finish "the Pittsburgh Steelers are on the..."

Id pick him up at the airport

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-25-2015, 10:18 AM
The two times Colbert traded up in the first, he got a future Hall of Famer in Troy Polamalu and a Super Bowl MVP in Santonio Holmes. The one time Colbert traded down in the first, he got the keystone to our 3-4 defense for a decade in Casey Hampton.

I'm surprised he doesn't trade his first round picks (up or down) more often.

After the first round, though, draft day trades tend to lead to guys like Ricardo Colclough, Daniel Sepulveda, Alameda Ta'Amu, and Shamarko Thomas.

I'm surprised he doesn't trade his picks after the first round less often.

Great observation my friend. Imagine how good a player he would get if he pulled off a Ditka trade - entire draft to move up in the first.

Shawn
04-25-2015, 10:43 AM
IMO, the only guy worth trading up for is Dante Fowler. But, he probably won't drop out of the top 5 so that is a moot point.

K Train
04-25-2015, 10:47 AM
IMO, the only guy worth trading up for is Dante Fowler. But, he probably won't drop out of the top 5 so that is a moot point.

Why fowler?

Shawn
04-25-2015, 10:55 AM
Why fowler? How about you look up what I have written up on Fowler.

K Train
04-25-2015, 11:01 AM
How about you look up what I have written up on Fowler.

Damn lol. Was just asking