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Dee Dub
01-12-2015, 02:40 PM
Watching the playoffs yesterday, and seeing how well the Steelers came together towards the end of this past season, then factoring in the undeniable fact that a true difference maker in Le'Veon Bell was not available for this team in their playoff game,. I believe this team is actually one great defensive player away from running the tables and winning number 7.

That one great defensive player is out there somewhere too. Free agent signing or through the draft. But he is out there somewhere. The iron is so hot right now. This organization should make some kind of bold move to make this a reality. What ever the cost, the reward will make it worth it.

K Train
01-12-2015, 02:45 PM
Theres just no great teams out there this year, steelers had as good of a shot as any playoff team.

I hate reggie nelson

NW Steeler
01-12-2015, 02:45 PM
Justin Houston. Yeah, I know.

hausparty
01-12-2015, 02:49 PM
I feel we are only 1 shutdown Corner away.

Mitchell is going to improve and I do like Will Allen for now.

Jones, Shazier, Tuitt will all improve and if we can motivate WORILDS with a long term deal we are going to be fine up front.

Cortez Allen, William Gay, McCain, and Blake are solid if we get that 1 shutdown CB. ALL IN ON A CORNER and lets go STEELERS!

Offense is fine but we need that replacement TE now vice later! Its never bad having 2 pass catching TE's in a Todd Haley type offense!

Dee Dub
01-12-2015, 02:51 PM
Theres just no great teams out there this year....
That is part of my point. At least in the AFC. Peyton Manning is done and now Denver will take a step back. New England is beatable. This team beat the Colts handily this year. This team also beat Baltimore once, and whooped up on Cincinnati.

Slapstick
01-12-2015, 02:53 PM
The Steelers were 5-1 against playoff teams...with additional victories over Atlanta, Kansas City and Houston who were in the hunt until week 17...

Dee Dub
01-12-2015, 02:57 PM
I feel we are only 1 shutdown Corner away.

I'm not arguing this but I dont necessarily think it has to be in the secondary. Another "freak" LB or someone inside (NT), paired with Heyward and Tuitt, could help the entire defense.

I AM NOT SUGGESTING TO TRADE THE ENTIRE DRAFT OF THE STEELERS TO GET SOMEONE LIKE THIS, BUT!!!

To show what I mean about the inside guy, what would this 3-someone front do for the secondary? The LB's? The entire defense?

Heyward--Leonard Williams--Tuitt

Also, yes I know Leonard Williams would be better suited outside but I know he can play NT and excel there.

AGAIN!! I AM NOT SUGGESTING TO TRADE THE ENTIRE DRAFT OF THE STEELERS TO GET SOMEONE LIKE WILLIAMS. IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS TO DO SO. BUT!!! IF THEY GOT SOMEONE FROM SOMEWHERE WHO IS A BEAST ON DEFENSE....JUST SAYIN'.

RuthlessBurgher
01-12-2015, 02:58 PM
We just need to retool our entire secondary and somehow find a pass rush. But other than that, our defense is golden. ;)

feltdizz
01-12-2015, 03:03 PM
We are definitely close... I think the D is young and guys like Tuitt, Shazier and even Cortez Allen will help this D improve next year.

K Train
01-12-2015, 03:04 PM
I'm not arguing this but I dont necessarily think it has to be in the secondary. Another "freak" LB or someone inside (NT), paired with Heyward and Tuitt, could help the entire defense.

I AM NOT SUGGESTING TO TRADE THE ENTIRE DRAFT OF THE STEELERS TO GET SOMEONE LIKE THIS, BUT!!!

To show what I mean about the inside guy, what would this 3-someone front do for the secondary? The LB's? The entire defense?

Heyward--Leonard Williams--Tuitt

Also, yes I know Leonard Williams would be better suited outside but I know he can play NT and excel there.

AGAIN!! I AM NOT SUGGESTING TO TRADE THE ENTIRE DRAFT OF THE STEELERS TO GET SOMEONE LIKE WILLIAMS. IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS TO DO SO. BUT!!! IF THEY GOT SOMEONE FROM SOMEWHERE WHO IS A BEAST ON DEFENSE....JUST SAYIN'.

That would be a weird use of Leonard Williams....Id give up a lot for Gregory though

hausparty
01-12-2015, 03:09 PM
Well it will also depend on who our DC will be and what type of D we will be running.

SHUTDOWN CORNER or a very good pass rusher will cost just about the same dee dub is right either could help the other basically.

What's great about this off season is our ability to just concentrate on 1 side of the ball for a change. NICE PROBLEM TO HAVE.

squidkid
01-12-2015, 03:19 PM
1 or 2 cb
1 or 2 s
1 or 2 olb

minimum

papillon
01-12-2015, 03:31 PM
1 or 2 cb
1 or 2 s
1 or 2 olb

minimum

I think some of the current players are going to improve to the point that we won't need all that help. A beast pass rusher or CB would be great though.

Pappy

feltdizz
01-12-2015, 03:36 PM
I think some of the current players are going to improve to the point that we won't need all that help. A beast pass rusher or CB would be great though.

Pappy

We need a pass rushing specialist and that's it.

Honestly, I think we have the players on D we just need to simplify the scheme.

Dee Dub
01-12-2015, 04:00 PM
That would be a weird use of Leonard Williams....Id give up a lot for Gregory though

I dont know about 'weird" but I'd agree it isnt his strength but USC used him all over the front and bounced around enough from 4-4 to 3-4 that showed he could play the NT in a 3-4. If there was anyone who could hold the two gap as well as get a above average pass rush from the NT in a 3-4 it would be Williams. And with him there Heyward or Tuitt would never see a double the rest of their career.

phillyesq
01-12-2015, 04:17 PM
I'm not sure if this defense is just one player away - the secondary looks to need a whole lot of help - but if you can trade up and find a dynamic pass rusher, I think you absolutely do it. Having a guy who is a real terror off the edge will help cover up deficiencies in the secondary and should also help the rest of the pass rush as protections get shifted. Help is needed in the secondary, too, but adding a real dynamic edge rusher is the first step towards rebuilding a dominant defense.

feltdizz
01-12-2015, 04:59 PM
I'm not sure if this defense is just one player away - the secondary looks to need a whole lot of help - but if you can trade up and find a dynamic pass rusher, I think you absolutely do it. Having a guy who is a real terror off the edge will help cover up deficiencies in the secondary and should also help the rest of the pass rush as protections get shifted. Help is needed in the secondary, too, but adding a real dynamic edge rusher is the first step towards rebuilding a dominant defense.

I think the secondary needs more reps. When Ike and Troy were out for 2 or 3 games our DB's looked much better IMO.

Blake and McCain should be resigned
Cortez will be back, Gay is solid.

Mitchell will return and Shark should get more time.

I think this unit is young and should turn the corner next year.

Dee Dub
01-12-2015, 05:03 PM
I'm not sure if this defense is just one player away - the secondary looks to need a whole lot of help - but if you can trade up and find a dynamic pass rusher, I think you absolutely do it. Having a guy who is a real terror off the edge will help cover up deficiencies in the secondary and should also help the rest of the pass rush as protections get shifted. Help is needed in the secondary, too, but adding a real dynamic edge rusher is the first step towards rebuilding a dominant defense.

Why aren't you sure Negative Nancy? :) This team won the AFC North Division which may be the toughest division of all. IMO, they would have won the playoff game versus Baltimore had they been able to use a healthy Le'Veon Bell. Why wouldn't one great player on defense not propel them to a championship?

Stop looking for a perfect team to win a Super Bowl. It doesn't take one anymore. Every team is going to have some deficiency somewhere on their team. f the Steelers had a lock down corner like Patrick Petersen you better believe it would change the whole scope of this defense and make the rest of the secondary better as well as the front 7.

Oviedo
01-12-2015, 05:12 PM
We just need to retool our entire secondary and somehow find a pass rush. But other than that, our defense is golden. ;)


Minor details. By my account we are solid with Heyward, Timmons and probably McLendon and Tuitt. That leaves seven question marks on the defense either because of performance or expiring contracts. I think that is just a little more than "one player away."

hausparty
01-12-2015, 05:13 PM
LOL I wish you guys would visit other teams forums and maybe you do I don't know but read them sometime.
This is now a PASSING LEAGUE guys and every team is having a hard time defending the pass and when they do they can still easily give up a pass interference penalty instead.

Just about every fan of every team is complaining about their secondary issues.

Think about it! Our very own QB almost had 5000 passing yards! A Steeler QB with 5000 passing yards? He tore up the colts and then last night that same defense stopped Manning!

1/2 second quicker on a pass rush can help any secondary.
shut down corner can help a slower pass rush
BUT overall our defense did an ok job this year!

We saw first hand how a great Raven front 7 helped their weaker secondary.

RELAX!!! We will get it right!

phillyesq
01-12-2015, 05:22 PM
Why aren't you sure Negative Nancy? :) This team won the AFC North Division which may be the toughest division of all. IMO, they would have won the playoff game versus Baltimore had they been able to use a healthy Le'Veon Bell. Why wouldn't one great player on defense not propel them to a championship?

Stop looking for a perfect team to win a Super Bowl. It doesn't take one anymore. Every team is going to have some deficiency somewhere on their team. f the Steelers had a lock down corner like Patrick Petersen you better believe it would change the whole scope of this defense and make the rest of the secondary better as well as the front 7.

I'm not looking for a perfect team - I realize that there is no such thing. The Steelers don't need Patrick Peterson and Revis at corner. But the secondary is one area where the lack of pedigree has really shown - the Steelers went into the Baltimore game with nobody higher than a 6th round pick at corner. They need more size and coverage ability at corner. I'm not giving up on Cortez Allen but you have to add a corner with some pedigree to that group.

I'm also not sold on Mike Mitchell, and given that Golden seemed to be the #3 strong safety, I'm not sure that the Steelers are sold on the oft-injured Schmarko Thomas. The D could use at least one safety and one corner, but more than anything, I think the Steelers need a pass rusher who can be a difference maker. There is nobody on the defense right now who is a game changer.

Shawn
01-12-2015, 05:26 PM
The Steelers need a pass rush. Cure that...and all is well.

birtikidis
01-12-2015, 06:04 PM
We need a pass rushing specialist and that's it.

Honestly, I think we have the players on D we just need to simplify the scheme.
Maybe we should knock off the dust on the old 5-2 defense we ran in middle school. We can simplify the offense too. Maybe the veer.

feltdizz
01-12-2015, 06:51 PM
Maybe we should knock off the dust on the old 5-2 defense we ran in middle school. We can simplify the offense too. Maybe the veer.

Still in your feelings over the DL resignation?

NorthCoast
01-12-2015, 10:56 PM
We need a pass rushing specialist and that's it.

Honestly, I think we have the players on D we just need to simplify the scheme.

A simplified scheme means having to field superior football players that can win against their opponent. I don't see where this defense has those players, especially in the secondary. Schemes can mask some flaws but obviously not multiple flaws.

Every team has holes and injuries play a big part of any season. The Steelers are paper-thin at key positions, the restocking needs to continue on defense.

hawaiiansteel
01-12-2015, 11:08 PM
The Steelers need a pass rush. Cure that...and all is well.

it would be nice to have some more defensive backs that can cover receivers long enough for the pass rush to get there also though...

Shawn
01-12-2015, 11:22 PM
it would be nice to have some more defensive backs that can cover receivers long enough for the pass rush to get there also though... I actually think we are weaker at safety than DB. McClain, Gay and Blake are not horrific.

hawaiiansteel
01-12-2015, 11:30 PM
I actually think we are weaker at safety than DB. McClain, Gay and Blake are not horrific.

by defensive backs i meant safeties and CBs, but i agree with you. our safeties made ZERO interceptions this past season, and that truly is horrific...

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-13-2015, 11:18 AM
I'm close with you Dee...I'd say two players away though, a pass rusher and a DB.

feltdizz
01-13-2015, 11:40 AM
A simplified scheme means having to field superior football players that can win against their opponent. I don't see where this defense has those players, especially in the secondary. Schemes can mask some flaws but obviously not multiple flaws.

Every team has holes and injuries play a big part of any season. The Steelers are paper-thin at key positions, the restocking needs to continue on defense.

Lemme use an analogy and please hear me out.

Phil Jackson is considered a coaching guru. He runs a triangle offense that "once you get it" it works like magic. Here is the problem though... he had the best player in the game in Jordan and Pippen was his sidekick. Once he got to LA he had the best player in Kobe and Shaq was a close second.

Right now Phil Jackson is with the GM of the Knicks and they are HORRIBLE. JR Smith just left and was quoted saying "I just want to play basketball, I can't do that if I'm out there thinking and second guessing myself"

Now look at the Spurs. They are 10 deep and each guy pretty much plays his role. IF you are a passer you are coming in and passing the ball. If you are great at screens you are going to run screens. If you are a shooter, you post up in the corner and shoot the ball...

I know Steeler fans hate believing the players when they say our D is complex but it's the truth. I think DL is a lot like Phil Jackson. He needs the best players in the league (Troy, A. Smith, JH) in order for our system to work.

I'm not saying we run 3-4 straight up with a basic scheme but maybe we can go from 6 possible assignments to 3 on a given play? Maybe instead of having 100 blitzes to memorize it's 25? Sometimes you need to remember it's just football, line up, beat your man and throw in a corner blitz or 2 and call it a day.

I'm also aware that we will draft players every year so we will continue to get players but I don't think we need 4 or 5 guys for this D to improve.

papillon
01-13-2015, 11:47 AM
Maybe we should knock off the dust on the old 5-2 defense we ran in middle school. We can simplify the offense too. Maybe the veer.

Isn't the 5-2 basically a the 34 defense? A NT, two DEs and two standup LBs on the LOS, Pitt played that defense back in the day and had Hugh Green and Rickey Jackson as the stand up OLBs and they wreaked havoc.

Pappy