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Steelhere10
01-03-2015, 10:19 PM
He keep rushing 4 on third and long we will lose!!!

BURGH86STEEL
01-03-2015, 10:44 PM
The defense is doing ok considering. The offense better start scoring some TD's are they are going to lose.

papillon
01-03-2015, 10:50 PM
You can continue to blame the defense all you want, no one expects them to win the game. The NFL's leading passer and receiver haven't done anything, Ben is not getting rid of the ball in rhythm or the WRs aren't getting open against a porous Baltimore secondary, either way the offense needs to carry the team and they aren't right now. The defense has done their job and only given up 10 points.

Pappy

BURGH86STEEL
01-03-2015, 10:57 PM
You can continue to blame the defense all you want, no one expects them to win the game. The NFL's leading passer and receiver haven't done anything, Ben is not getting rid of the ball in rhythm or the WRs aren't getting open against a porous Baltimore secondary, either way the offense needs to carry the team and they aren't right now. The defense has done their job and only given up 10 points.

Pappy
The WR's are open. Ben isn't seeing them or throwing the ball on time.

hawaiiansteel
01-03-2015, 11:02 PM
seriously, the offense hasn't scored even one TD yet and you want to blame Dick LeBeau and the defense?

Steelhere10
01-03-2015, 11:09 PM
The Ravens are coming after Ben, what is Dickey doing besides sitting in zones hoping something happens.

Steelhere10
01-03-2015, 11:12 PM
Three man rush on 3rd and 7 against Flacco are you serious!!!

Steelhere10
01-03-2015, 11:14 PM
You can only do so much with no running game. Flacco struggled against the Jags, Houston and Cleveland because the brought pressure but our ancient DC rather sit back.....

Oviedo
01-03-2015, 11:17 PM
Three man rush on 3rd and 7 against Flacco are you serious!!!
Freaking pathetic. No freaking pressure. Lebeau is a freaking idiot. Maybe the offense is struggling because Sparano is bringing pressure and being aggressive not playing soft

Shawn
01-03-2015, 11:24 PM
This offense can't move without Bell.

Shawn
01-03-2015, 11:25 PM
Everytime DL does bring pressure Flacco is carving up our porous secondary. Pick your poison.

Steelhere10
01-03-2015, 11:28 PM
Common theme,
3rd and 20
3rd and 15
3rd and 10
3rd and 7
Four and three man rush , the faster Dickey leaves the Bette off we are.

Oviedo
01-03-2015, 11:31 PM
This offense can't move without Bell.

He is like 39% of the offense the last 5 games.

Would be nice if the defense could make some splash plays but that is too much to ask I guess.

Shawn
01-03-2015, 11:37 PM
He is like 39% of the offense the last 5 games.

Would be nice if the defense could make some splash plays but that is too much to ask I guess. Did you post this right before the fumble recovery? :)

Steelhere10
01-04-2015, 12:04 AM
I wonder why they keep talking about the great job that Ravens D cord is doing and no mention of Dickey...

BURGH86STEEL
01-04-2015, 12:14 AM
I wonder why they keep talking about the great job that Ravens D cord is doing and no mention of Dickey...
Dick Lebeau doesn't play the games. It's no mystery that the Steelers are rebuilding on the defensive side of the ball. The Steelers also don't have the pass rushers that the Ravens have. No one expected the defense to be able to carry this team this year or in this game. The Strength of the team put up 15 points.

feltdizz
01-04-2015, 12:20 AM
I wonder if our D is better if Troy didn't start?

BURGH86STEEL
01-04-2015, 12:25 AM
I wonder if our D is better if Troy didn't start?
When are people going to realize that they don't have good enough pass rushers right now?

hawaiiansteel
01-04-2015, 12:26 AM
The Strength of the team put up 15 points.

we can't win playoff games scoring 15 points...

papillon
01-04-2015, 12:30 AM
I wonder if our D is better if Troy didn't start?

I think tonight it was coincidental that the defense didn't play as well as they have been and Troy was in the game. I didn't see anything horrible about his play; I would have stayed with what was working though and played Allen.

Pappy

Eddie Spaghetti
01-04-2015, 12:34 AM
Tomlin made the decision to start troy.

No one else.

squidkid
01-04-2015, 12:35 AM
mitchell was responsible for 2 tds

fordfixer
01-04-2015, 12:35 AM
3rd and long killed us all night

SidSmythe
01-04-2015, 12:35 AM
Defense played their typical game. Saw this all yr. The offenses inability to do much was the issue. Not the scheme. Get over DL moron.

squidkid
01-04-2015, 12:35 AM
Tomlin made the decision to start troy.

No one else.

and not start bell

NorthCoast
01-04-2015, 12:42 AM
mitchell was responsible for 2 tds

Yep. Mitchell was pathetic in coverage again tonight. Don't see what he is bringing to the table in the secondary.

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 12:45 AM
Yep. Mitchell was pathetic in coverage again tonight. Don't see what he is bringing to the table in the secondary.

I hope the Steelers make the right decision and cut bait on Mitchell before his second contract. Ryan Clark never had the physical gifts of Mitchell yet me managed to make plays. Mitchell was a liability all year.

Steelhere10
01-04-2015, 12:50 AM
Tomlin made the decision to start troy.

No one else.Dickey said early in the week Troy would start.

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 12:52 AM
Dickey said early in the week Troy would start.

Troy playing was not the difference in the game. Unlike Mitchell, he at least made a few plays.

Eddie Spaghetti
01-04-2015, 12:58 AM
the whole defense was disappointing.

We got out hit big time tonight and that's a bitter pill to swallow

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 01:01 AM
the whole defense was disappointing.

We got out hit big time tonight and that's a bitter pill to swallow

Yup. I watched a bunch of Steelers highlights today from 2005 forward. Those teams - with Porter / Harrison leading the defense and Bettis / Ward leading the offense - were tough. Tougher than the teams they played. The Steelers now are more of a finesse team.

BURGH86STEEL
01-04-2015, 01:03 AM
Yup. I watched a bunch of Steelers highlights today from 2005 forward. Those teams - with Porter / Harrison leading the defense and Bettis / Ward leading the offense - were tough. Tougher than the teams they played. The Steelers now are more of a finesse team.
In case you haven't noticed the league has changed plenty since 2005. Better yet, the league is always in a state of constant change.

Ghost
01-04-2015, 01:05 AM
In case you haven't noticed the league has changed plenty since 2005. Better yet, the league is always in a state of constant change.
So you we're pleased with the D on third and long today? What is the point of this post?

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 01:06 AM
In case you haven't noticed the league has changed plenty since 2005. Better yet, the league is always in a state of constant change.

Yeah, I've realized that the league has changed. But look at Seattle last year - they were a tough team. Soft teams don't win. They may put up fantasy numbers but they don't win. The Steelers need to get tougher.

7 UP
01-04-2015, 01:15 AM
I dont think the Steelers played soft at all. But the Steelers blitzes were predictable. Every 3rd down the Ravens seemed to have the perfect answer for whatever we were about to run. Probably comes from doing the same thing over and over for 20 years.

NorthCoast
01-04-2015, 01:19 AM
If by soft you mean 'lightweights' then I agree. The Steelers are very weak at OLB without JH, and moderately weak at ILB. Inability to stop BAL run game was a telltale sign tonight. Especially when you consider that is usually DL's number one priority for the defense. Never heard Worilds name called tonight.

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 01:19 AM
I dont think the Steelers played soft at all. But the Steelers blitzes were predictable. Every 3rd down the Ravens seemed to have the perfect answer for whatever we were about to run. Probably comes from doing the same thing over and over for 20 years.

The Ravens won the LOS on both sides of the ball. They were the tougher team tonight.

papillon
01-04-2015, 01:21 AM
If by soft you mean 'lightweights' then I agree. The Steelers are very weak at OLB without JH, and moderately weak at ILB. Inability to stop BAL run game was a telltale sign tonight. Especially when you consider that is usually DL's number one priority for the defense. Never heard Worilds name called tonight.

He got an unsportsmanlike penalty.

Pappy

BURGH86STEEL
01-04-2015, 01:23 AM
Yeah, I've realized that the league has changed. But look at Seattle last year - they were a tough team. Soft teams don't win. They may put up fantasy numbers but they don't win. The Steelers need to get tougher.

I don't believe toughness has anything to do with why the Steelers lost the game tonight. Being tough doesn't mean much at the NFL level when the other players are just as tough. The Steelers were out executed, period.

What the Steelers need to do is to improve and get better players on the defensive side of the ball. After all, they are rebuilding on that side of the ball. The defense needs better pass rushers at the OLB position that can win one on one matchups.

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 01:24 AM
He got an unsportsmanlike penalty.

Pappy

Even that was a joke. An open handed slap and he almost missed.

BURGH86STEEL
01-04-2015, 01:26 AM
Even that was a joke. An open handed slap and he almost missed.
It was the right call by the officials. He was upset that he was getting owned and decided to retaliate with a punch.

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 01:27 AM
I don't believe toughness has anything to do with why the Steelers lost the game tonight. Being tough doesn't mean much at the NFL level when the other players are just as tough. The Steelers were out executed, period.

What the Steelers need to do is to improve and get better players on the defensive side of the ball. After all, they are rebuilding on that side of the ball. The defense needs better pass rushers at the OLB position that can win one on one matchups.

Toughness has nothing to do with football? Really? Do you watch the games?

The Steelers were generally pushed around on both sides of the ball. They couldn't protect Ben, but the Ravens generally protected Flacco. The Ravens were the tougher, more physical team tonight. I hate to say it but they were.

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 01:28 AM
It was the right call by the officials. He was upset that he was getting owned and decided to retaliate with a punch.

It was the right call. But it was pathetic from Worilds.

phillyesq
01-04-2015, 01:32 AM
I don't believe toughness has anything to do with why the Steelers lost the game tonight. Being tough doesn't mean much at the NFL level when the other players are just as tough. The Steelers were out executed, period.

What the Steelers need to do is to improve and get better players on the defensive side of the ball. After all, they are rebuilding on that side of the ball. The defense needs better pass rushers at the OLB position that can win one on one matchups.

By the way, your original post is still asinine. You don't think that Porter, Harrison, Bettis or Ward in their prime would have made a difference tonight?

Eddie Spaghetti
01-04-2015, 01:33 AM
I don't believe toughness has anything to do with why the Steelers lost the game tonight. Being tough doesn't mean much at the NFL level when the other players are just as tough. The Steelers were out executed, period.

What the Steelers need to do is to improve and get better players on the defensive side of the ball. After all, they are rebuilding on that side of the ball. The defense needs better pass rushers at the OLB position that can win one on one matchups.

Toughness doesn't matter???

BradshawsHairdresser
01-04-2015, 01:42 AM
I don't believe toughness has anything to do with why the Steelers lost the game tonight. Being tough doesn't mean much at the NFL level when the other players are just as tough. The Steelers were out executed, period.



I think that a big part of the reason why they were "out executed" was because they weren't tough enough.

Oviedo
01-04-2015, 04:59 AM
I dont think the Steelers played soft at all. But the Steelers blitzes were predictable. Every 3rd down the Ravens seemed to have the perfect answer for whatever we were about to run. Probably comes from doing the same thing over and over for 20 years.
It has been that way for several years. LeBeau isn't fooling anyone. He is taking years to teach young players complexity that doesn't work and doesn't fool anyone. We will be waiting for years to fix this defense if we let LeBeau do it his way. I hope someone thanks him and moves on to someone willing to look at changes and make changes.

grotonsteel
01-04-2015, 05:12 AM
It has been that way for several years. LeBeau isn't fooling anyone. He is taking years to teach young players complexity that doesn't work and doesn't fool anyone. We will be waiting for years to fix this defense if we let LeBeau do it his way. I hope someone thanks him and moves on to someone willing to look at changes and make changes.

+1

Dick lebeau was unable to design plays to put heat on QB who was playing along with makeshift O-Line. No players seem to develop under DL. Force him to retire or fire him.
If Rex Ryan does not get HC job then i wont mind bringing him in as DC. Get someone from outside the organization.

People keep saying Defense is in rebuild mode for last 3 years but nothing has changed. There are gaping hole in LB and DB position.

BURGH86STEEL
01-04-2015, 05:22 AM
By the way, your original post is still asinine. You don't think that Porter, Harrison, Bettis or Ward in their prime would have made a difference tonight?

Maybe they would had or maybe they wouldn't had? Please don't forget that those players lost their share of games and playoff games in their primes. Did they lose those games because they weren't tough enough, because they were out executed, or both?

When looking at the wins or losses I will always focus on execution. Execution is where most games are won or loss.

Oviedo
01-04-2015, 11:21 AM
Maybe they would had or maybe they wouldn't had? Please don't forget that those players lost their share of games and playoff games in their primes. Did they lose those games because they weren't tough enough, because they were out executed, or both?

When looking at the wins or losses I will always focus on execution. Execution is where most games are won or loss.
Execution is the key, but you have to put players in position to succeed.

Steelhere10
01-04-2015, 12:05 PM
It's simple, every Qb in the league goes at the 10 yd cushion side and knows the Dickey lead defense won't bring any real pressures just illusions. And that certain formation would force lb's into coverage. That along with stuck on aging vets. What other team in the league or our division for that matter are stuck on aging under performing vet's. Until this bum is gone we will be stuck in ancient times.

Slapstick
01-04-2015, 12:19 PM
It's a wonder we even won the division and made the playoffs...

Steelhere10
01-04-2015, 12:53 PM
Dick had his weekly luxury, this week being that of facing a decimated OL, with 2 rookie starters and a OG moved to OT. Of course, at no time during the entire game did Dick take any advantage of this.
The 1st PIT off drive chewed up 7-1/2 minutes and pinned BAL on their own 7. The 2nd PIT drive chewed up 5-1/2 minutes of the 1Q clock. That’s THIRTEEN minutes of 1st Qtr clock chewed. When the 1st half ended, the PIT offense had dominated TOP, 20:55 to 9:05, with Balt having only 3 drives, but Balt owned the 10-9 lead, all thanks to Dick and his Softee Defense. The Balt TD drive was 80 yards long, and the FG drive in the 2Q was 70 yards, meaning neither was of the chippie variety. The TD drive was mostly the Ravens just jamming the ball down Dick’s throat as though he were a homo porn star, all the while with Dick standing there, ossified as ever, playing a bland, vanilla defense that didn’t FORCE anything.

On the opening drive of the 2H, Dick had the Rats in a 3d & 14, thanks, of course, not to anything Dick did, but to Jacco slipping on 2d down and losing 4 yards. What does Dick do? He blitzes, but then has Blake playing, oh, about 13 yards off the ball, and Jacco is able to EASILY hit Smith for a quick slant that gained an easy 17 yards. You know Jacco has to get rid of the ball quickly, so what does Dick do….? He plays RIGHT INTO Jacco’s hands by placing Blake a country mile off the LOS. As it turned out, Dick allowed a NINE play, 54-yard march for a BALT FG to boost the Rats’ lead to 13-9. A **** defensive effort by a **** defensive coordinator.

The Ratbirds took over after a punt, mid 3Q, and marched 69 yards on this drive for a cake-easy TD, boosting their lead to 20-9.

Early in the 4Q, Dick faced a 4th & inches, with Balt lining up 8 blockers between the TEs while Dick, the fool, lined up only 5 men at the LOS. The result? A cake-easy QB sneak by Jacco for the 1D. Luckily, Forsett coughed the ball up on the next play.

At 10:10 4Q, Dick had a comfy 3d & 13 at the Balt 34. A forced punt here allows the Stillers to go back to attacking the weak Balt secondary. But no. As always, Dick used his softee scheme and allowed a 23-yard gainer to Daniels. Dick soon allowed a 34-yard TD pass, but Smith could get only 1 foot inside the back of the EZ. The Ratbirds got a FG, though, to boost their lead to 23-15.

Right after the Suggs INT, Dick, for like the FOURTH time in the game, was totally unprepared and then bamboozled on a Jacco bootleg, this one going for a 21-yard TD that basically salted away this game.

Stat of the nite -- the Rats had to punt only TWICE all evening (aside from a safety punt). Just twice, thanks to Dick and his Softee, cream-puff defense.
Other stat of the nite -- taking away kneel down “drives” late in each half, the Rats scored on 6 of 9 possessions. SIX OF NINE, showing how feeble and decrepit Dick’s Softee Defense was.
Other key of the nite -- Dick, playing at HOME, managed to make Joe Jacco look like Roger Staubach. Jacco went 18 of 29 for 259, with 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 62% passing percentage. And the constant, continual 3rd down conversions on 3rd & LONNGGG were simply fuking hideous. And the complete lack of pressure and hits on Jacco was piss poor and unacceptable. ONE sack all nite, and very, very little pressure into the FACE of Jacco. No pressure, and only one turnover, that on a fluke fumble. It was like the SB versus GB, all over again.

Funny, how Balt's Def Coord is able to create INSTANT pressure on the QB with astute overloads, while Dick, who is facing an OL with TWO rookie starters and an OG at LT, didn’t do it even ONCE the entire game. Not once. Funny how Balt. ran the bootleg tonite with rabid success, time and time and time again, yet Dick was totally unprepared for it, and was completely unable to ADJUST to it.
But, do not forget....Dick is THE supreme deity of defensive coaching. It’s also funny how Dick is supposed to be the Holy Almighty Omnipotent guru of defensive football. What, then, was he doing, getting tooled by the complete dullard by the name of (hold your laughter, please) Gary Kubiak? Yes, the same Gary Kubiak who was run out of Houston, in large part because his offense was so bland, dull, stale, and feeble. It still is, but Dick’s defense is even more bland, dull, and feeble.

By the way…has anyone seen the Great Deity, Dick Lebeau ?? You know…Mister 30 ?? Last time I seen him, he was getting schooled and spanked by Gary Kubiak and Joe Jacco !! 30 fuking points allowed to Kubiak and Jacco, the Masters of Mediocrity !!
And let us not forget how RAVAGED the Balt secondary has been ALL season, yet they had a game plan and an ATTACK that won the football game.
Fuk Dick. His last game, EVER. Fuking selfish fuking blowhard. Selfish, sorry bastard should have retired at least 4 years ago, if not earlier. F-

- See more at: http://www.stillers.com/Article/View/940b7dce-76d2-42f6-b643-6845ad7a60cf#sthash.Te9FfTjm.dpuf
I couldn't have said it better.

Oviedo
01-04-2015, 03:14 PM
Dick had his weekly luxury, this week being that of facing a decimated OL, with 2 rookie starters and a OG moved to OT. Of course, at no time during the entire game did Dick take any advantage of this.
The 1st PIT off drive chewed up 7-1/2 minutes and pinned BAL on their own 7. The 2nd PIT drive chewed up 5-1/2 minutes of the 1Q clock. That’s THIRTEEN minutes of 1st Qtr clock chewed. When the 1st half ended, the PIT offense had dominated TOP, 20:55 to 9:05, with Balt having only 3 drives, but Balt owned the 10-9 lead, all thanks to Dick and his Softee Defense. The Balt TD drive was 80 yards long, and the FG drive in the 2Q was 70 yards, meaning neither was of the chippie variety. The TD drive was mostly the Ravens just jamming the ball down Dick’s throat as though he were a homo porn star, all the while with Dick standing there, ossified as ever, playing a bland, vanilla defense that didn’t FORCE anything.

On the opening drive of the 2H, Dick had the Rats in a 3d & 14, thanks, of course, not to anything Dick did, but to Jacco slipping on 2d down and losing 4 yards. What does Dick do? He blitzes, but then has Blake playing, oh, about 13 yards off the ball, and Jacco is able to EASILY hit Smith for a quick slant that gained an easy 17 yards. You know Jacco has to get rid of the ball quickly, so what does Dick do….? He plays RIGHT INTO Jacco’s hands by placing Blake a country mile off the LOS. As it turned out, Dick allowed a NINE play, 54-yard march for a BALT FG to boost the Rats’ lead to 13-9. A **** defensive effort by a **** defensive coordinator.

The Ratbirds took over after a punt, mid 3Q, and marched 69 yards on this drive for a cake-easy TD, boosting their lead to 20-9.

Early in the 4Q, Dick faced a 4th & inches, with Balt lining up 8 blockers between the TEs while Dick, the fool, lined up only 5 men at the LOS. The result? A cake-easy QB sneak by Jacco for the 1D. Luckily, Forsett coughed the ball up on the next play.

At 10:10 4Q, Dick had a comfy 3d & 13 at the Balt 34. A forced punt here allows the Stillers to go back to attacking the weak Balt secondary. But no. As always, Dick used his softee scheme and allowed a 23-yard gainer to Daniels. Dick soon allowed a 34-yard TD pass, but Smith could get only 1 foot inside the back of the EZ. The Ratbirds got a FG, though, to boost their lead to 23-15.

Right after the Suggs INT, Dick, for like the FOURTH time in the game, was totally unprepared and then bamboozled on a Jacco bootleg, this one going for a 21-yard TD that basically salted away this game.

Stat of the nite -- the Rats had to punt only TWICE all evening (aside from a safety punt). Just twice, thanks to Dick and his Softee, cream-puff defense.
Other stat of the nite -- taking away kneel down “drives” late in each half, the Rats scored on 6 of 9 possessions. SIX OF NINE, showing how feeble and decrepit Dick’s Softee Defense was.
Other key of the nite -- Dick, playing at HOME, managed to make Joe Jacco look like Roger Staubach. Jacco went 18 of 29 for 259, with 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 62% passing percentage. And the constant, continual 3rd down conversions on 3rd & LONNGGG were simply fuking hideous. And the complete lack of pressure and hits on Jacco was piss poor and unacceptable. ONE sack all nite, and very, very little pressure into the FACE of Jacco. No pressure, and only one turnover, that on a fluke fumble. It was like the SB versus GB, all over again.

Funny, how Balt's Def Coord is able to create INSTANT pressure on the QB with astute overloads, while Dick, who is facing an OL with TWO rookie starters and an OG at LT, didn’t do it even ONCE the entire game. Not once. Funny how Balt. ran the bootleg tonite with rabid success, time and time and time again, yet Dick was totally unprepared for it, and was completely unable to ADJUST to it.
But, do not forget....Dick is THE supreme deity of defensive coaching. It’s also funny how Dick is supposed to be the Holy Almighty Omnipotent guru of defensive football. What, then, was he doing, getting tooled by the complete dullard by the name of (hold your laughter, please) Gary Kubiak? Yes, the same Gary Kubiak who was run out of Houston, in large part because his offense was so bland, dull, stale, and feeble. It still is, but Dick’s defense is even more bland, dull, and feeble.

By the way…has anyone seen the Great Deity, Dick Lebeau ?? You know…Mister 30 ?? Last time I seen him, he was getting schooled and spanked by Gary Kubiak and Joe Jacco !! 30 fuking points allowed to Kubiak and Jacco, the Masters of Mediocrity !!
And let us not forget how RAVAGED the Balt secondary has been ALL season, yet they had a game plan and an ATTACK that won the football game.
Fuk Dick. His last game, EVER. Fuking selfish fuking blowhard. Selfish, sorry bastard should have retired at least 4 years ago, if not earlier. F-

- See more at: http://www.stillers.com/Article/View/940b7dce-76d2-42f6-b643-6845ad7a60cf#sthash.Te9FfTjm.dpuf
I couldn't have said it better.

On the mark! LeBeau is the problem not the solution. This is not 5-6 years ago. Everyone loses their mojo and his has been gone. Put him, and us fans, out of his misery and ask him to retire gracefully. If he refuses let him go.

buccoray61
01-04-2015, 03:23 PM
Anything from Stillers.com makes one lose IQ points.

SteelersWonka
01-04-2015, 03:56 PM
They won the division because Andy Dalton **** the bed twice.

Yay.

Let's clear up some myths, shall we? Let's judge the CURRENT OC, to the same standards, that the PREVIOUS OC, was held to.

2011 Steelers: 7 of 17 games the offense scores 20 points or LESS.

2014 Steelers: 9 of 17 games the offense scores 20 points or LESS.

2011 Steelers: 12 wins.

2014 Steelers: 11 wins.

For those who cry about defense:

2011 Steelers: Three defense/ST TD's.

2014 Steelers: Six defense/ST TD's.

2011 Steelers: 434 carries for 1903 yards and 13 TD's.

2014 Steelers: 423 carries for 1752 yards and 10 TD's.

2011 Steelers: Lost a road playoff game without their #1 RB, scored 23 points, and had 23 carries for 156 yards and 1 TD.

2014 Steelers: Lost a home playoff game without their #1 RB, scored 15 points, and had 19 carries for 68 yards and 0 TD.


So, if the OC's are judged by the same merit, and not differently because one is a family friend? Then Todd Haley should be looking for work on Tuesday.

Slapstick
01-04-2015, 04:30 PM
I thought the Steelers would NEVER make the playoffs with Haley?!?

feltdizz
01-04-2015, 04:36 PM
I thought the Steelers would NEVER make the playoffs with Haley?!?

Lol.. yep, but now that we got that out of the way, lets be honest, this O underperformed whe we needed it most.

NorthCoast
01-04-2015, 04:38 PM
They won the division because Andy Dalton **** the bed twice.

Yay.

Let's clear up some myths, shall we? Let's judge the CURRENT OC, to the same standards, that the PREVIOUS OC, was held to.

2011 Steelers: 7 of 17 games the offense scores 20 points or LESS.

2014 Steelers: 9 of 17 games the offense scores 20 points or LESS.

2011 Steelers: 12 wins.

2014 Steelers: 11 wins.

For those who cry about defense:

2011 Steelers: Three defense/ST TD's.

2014 Steelers: Six defense/ST TD's.

2011 Steelers: 434 carries for 1903 yards and 13 TD's.

2014 Steelers: 423 carries for 1752 yards and 10 TD's.

2011 Steelers: Lost a road playoff game without their #1 RB, scored 23 points, and had 23 carries for 156 yards and 1 TD.

2014 Steelers: Lost a home playoff game without their #1 RB, scored 15 points, and had 19 carries for 68 yards and 0 TD.


So, if the OC's are judged by the same merit, and not differently because one is a family friend? Then Todd Haley should be looking for work on Tuesday.

OK. I'll bite. First, there will always be large variation within a season due to strength of competition, etc.

The season totals are more revealing. Under BA, the total points per season were declining at a rate of more the 10 pts per season over the span of his tenure. Meanwhile, Haley's offense has increased at a rate of 50 pts/season over the last 3 seasons.

The inability to create sacks was a season long problem for the Steelers and only moreso in last nights game (this, against two ROOKIE OL)!!

SteelersWonka
01-04-2015, 05:04 PM
The season totals are more revealing. Under BA, the total points per season were declining at a rate of more the 10 pts per season over the span of his tenure. Meanwhile, Haley's offense has increased at a rate of 50 pts/season over the last 3 seasons.

Yes or no, Ben has thrown for more "garbage time" stats (and scores) in three seasons with Haley, than he did in 5 years with BA?

SteelersWonka
01-04-2015, 05:08 PM
I thought the Steelers would NEVER make the playoffs with Haley?!?

Wonderful.

But here's another one, just for you.

Todd Haley's offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

0-2 record, 22 points.

Bruce Arians offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

2-0 record, 47 points.

Comparing Haley in any way to Arians is like comparing a Porsche to a Pinto.

NorthCoast
01-04-2015, 05:34 PM
Wonderful.

But here's another one, just for you.

Todd Haley's offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

0-2 record, 22 points.

Bruce Arians offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

2-0 record, 47 points.

Comparing Haley in any way to Arians is like comparing a Porsche to a Pinto.

And in both wins, Roethlisberger threw 0 INTs.

Wasn't thrilled with the OC gameplan but a defense that doesn't have to worry about defending the run will have a lot easier time defending the pass. I don't think BAL lost sleep over Tate or Harris in the run game.

BradshawsHairdresser
01-04-2015, 05:45 PM
Wonderful.

But here's another one, just for you.

Todd Haley's offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

0-2 record, 22 points.

Bruce Arians offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

2-0 record, 47 points.

Comparing Haley in any way to Arians is like comparing a Porsche to a Pinto.

What was Arians' record in the playoffs this year?

squidkid
01-04-2015, 05:47 PM
Wonderful.

But here's another one, just for you.

Todd Haley's offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

0-2 record, 22 points.

Bruce Arians offense has played 8 playoff quarters against the Ravens:

2-0 record, 47 points.

Comparing Haley in any way to Arians is like comparing a Porsche to a Pinto.

and tomlin fired arians and hired haley