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phillyesq
03-03-2014, 05:03 PM
According to Steelers PR guy Burt Lauten. Interesting.

Transition tag for a linebacker is $9.754 million, vs. 11.4 for the franchise tag. No compensation if he signs elsewhere, but it does give a right of first refusal.

steelsnis
03-03-2014, 05:05 PM
According to Steelers PR guy Burt Lauten. Interesting.

I saw that. Does that mean Steelers can match offers from other teams or get draft picks in return?

Ernie
03-03-2014, 05:06 PM
According to Steelers PR guy Burt Lauten. Interesting.


going to ask a few dumb questions: 1.) what does that mean? 2.) does that indicate the likelihood of him staying or leaving?

pittpete
03-03-2014, 05:07 PM
It guarantees the original club the right of first refusal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_first_refusal) to match any offer the player may make with another team. The transition tag can be used once a year by each club unless they elect to use a franchise tag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_Tag) instead. Transition tags can be rescinded; however, teams that rescind a transition tag cannot use it again until the next season.

Google it ya lazy bum....JK:p

Ernie
03-03-2014, 05:07 PM
nevermind.. I didn't see your post until after I posted. I wonder if that means some cuts of other vets are on the way (in order to make room for Worilds)? Interesting

Shawn
03-03-2014, 05:09 PM
I saw that. Does that mean Steelers can match offers from other teams or get draft picks in return?

No compensation if Worilds signs with another team. But, the Steelers would get right of first refusal. I am scratching my head a bit over this one, but I bet it's to quell some of the interest Worilds might see from other organizations.

steelsnis
03-03-2014, 05:10 PM
Just to follow up:

A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation. Transition players can be signed from March 3 through July 22.

K Train
03-03-2014, 05:14 PM
This is just as terrible as when they used it on starks

steelsnis
03-03-2014, 05:16 PM
haha why is this terrible?

hawaiiansteel
03-03-2014, 05:17 PM
Steelers use transition tag on Jason Worilds

Posted by Darin Gantt on March 3, 2014

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/300x-138.jpg?w=250

After the transition tag sat dormant for so long, it has been used twice in the last hour.

The Steelers named outside linebacker Jason Worilds their transition player, the team announced.

That guarantees Worilds, who wasnít even a full-time starter last year, a one-year deal worth $9.754 million. The franchise tag would have cost $11.455 million.

Worilds had value after registering 8.0 sacks last year, but his side and the Steelers couldnít agree on what it was.

Now, he can go to the market, and the Steelers have the opportunity to match any deal he finds, though thereís no compensation if they donít.

The transition tag effectively dares the agent to find a contract. If the Steelers donít elect to match, theyíll just return their gaze to 2013 first-rounder Jarvis Jones, whose rookie year went in fits and starts.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/03/steelers-use-transition-tag-on-jason-worilds/

SidSmythe
03-03-2014, 05:20 PM
With Orakpo franchised Worilds is the #1 OLB prospect in FA. So the Steelers are going to give him vs. Woodley 1 more year to decide who they're going to keep.

Shawn
03-03-2014, 05:26 PM
With Orakpo franchised Worilds is the #1 OLB prospect in FA. So the Steelers are going to give him vs. Woodley 1 more year to decide who they're going to keep.

Yeah...that's it. Makes sense. They don't want to invest in Worilds long term if he was a flash in the pan.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-03-2014, 05:27 PM
That explains Miller extension. The tag must fit under the cap. My assumptions: Levi Brown cut coming soon...Taylor must have verbally took a cut (Or worst case Steelers are cutting him)...Troy's "zero $" extension on the horizon too. Basicly, the Steelers have their direction.

With Orako being Franchised....The Transition tag protects the Steelers while they negotiate & if he test FA. With the elevated salary cap for '14...I say worst case, he will sign a deal that will net the Steelers a 3rd comp. Best case...Long Term deal is close & may get done before 11th.

pittpete
03-03-2014, 05:27 PM
This is just as terrible as when they used it on starks

I'd like to know why you feel this is terrible also?

sick beats
03-03-2014, 06:05 PM
Let me get this straight: They are using a "transitional" tag on a player who might not even be a starter? That can't be the case, can it? Does this mean Woodley is toast? Other wise, this just doesn't make on lick of sense. Do you still think the front office is shrewd or is Art 2 a hot mess?

IF they part ways with Wood, then I will reserve judgement. If not? I just don't know WTF is going on.

sick beats
03-03-2014, 06:10 PM
Oh, and considering JW's assertion that he only wants to stay as a starter, this would mean bye bye Wood.

BradshawsHairdresser
03-03-2014, 06:14 PM
I say worst case, he will sign a deal that will net the Steelers a 3rd comp. Best case...Long Term deal is close & may get done before 11th.
I thought that the Transition Tag means that the Steelers only have the right to match any offer Worilds gets, and that if he signs with another team, there's no comp. pick for the Steelers. Am I mistaken?

K Train
03-03-2014, 06:22 PM
I'd like to know why you feel this is terrible also?

because any cap space they were going to free up between brown, woodley, ike, a ben extension, a possible troy extension, and heaths extension is going to be tied up in a mediocre pass rusher due to lack of better options.

Moves like this arent going to get the steelers out of a cap hell

I dont know why anyone is under the impression the steelers get anything if he signs elsewhere, there is no compensation for a transition tag player but it will guarantee him the average of the top 10 highest paid OLBs salary if no one does and they cant work out a deal.

hawaiiansteel
03-03-2014, 06:23 PM
I thought that the Transition Tag means that the Steelers only have the right to match any offer Worilds gets, and that if he signs with another team, there's no comp. pick for the Steelers. Am I mistaken?

you are correct, but I believe JPN is referring to a 3rd round comp pick like we got for Mike Wallace after he signed a lucrative contract with another team.

SidSmythe
03-03-2014, 06:26 PM
Yeah...that's it. Makes sense. They don't want to invest in Worilds long term if he was a flash in the pan. Lets not forget that in this league you can't have too many pass rushers either. As of right now we have TWO bonified pass rushers and ONE of them can't stay healthy.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-03-2014, 06:39 PM
because any cap space they were going to free up between brown, woodley, ike, a ben extension, a possible troy extension, and heaths extension is going to be tied up in a mediocre pass rusher due to lack of better options.
The only one of those extensions that has been used is Heath's... all the rest would still free up cap space

K Train
03-03-2014, 06:47 PM
Its still WAY to much for Worilds on a one year deal. If no one signs him he can hold them hostage for nearly $10 millions.

It would be one thing if he were a star player...von miller, aldon smith,...ect, sure id bite on that. hes not even close to being worth $10 million for this season

Oviedo
03-03-2014, 07:05 PM
Let me get this straight: They are using a "transitional" tag on a player who might not even be a starter? That can't be the case, can it? Does this mean Woodley is toast? Other wise, this just doesn't make on lick of sense. Do you still think the front office is shrewd or is Art 2 a hot mess?

IF they part ways with Wood, then I will reserve judgement. If not? I just don't know WTF is going on.

It likely means they aren't counting on getting anything from J Jones again this year. Need three OLBs for a rotation.

K Train
03-03-2014, 07:11 PM
It likely means they aren't counting on getting anything from J Jones again this year. Need three OLBs for a rotation.
I doubt thats the case

D Rock
03-03-2014, 07:36 PM
They're just waiting to see what he is offered in FA. Someone will offer him something - they either match or they don't.

No way does Worilds stay for the 1 year at 9.75M. Worst case scenario they pull the tag off of him and move on with 9.75M freed up to spend as needed. This is just an insurance policy that doesn't hurt them at all to use since they can do away with it at any time without penalty.

steelblood
03-03-2014, 07:44 PM
Why does this mean Woodley is staying? The transition tag is often used as part of the negotiation. They could still cut Woodley.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-03-2014, 08:01 PM
you are correct, but I believe JPN is referring to a 3rd round comp pick like we got for Mike Wallace after he signed a lucrative contract with another team.
Thanks Hawaiiansteel...Exactly like you stated. If someone REALLY wants Worilds now...They will have to pay him $$$$$ to cause the Steelers not to match. Which more than likely will net a '15 3rd. I'll take Worilds.

pittpete
03-03-2014, 08:25 PM
They're just waiting to see what he is offered in FA. Someone will offer him something - they either match or they don't.

No way does Worilds stay for the 1 year at 9.75M. Worst case scenario they pull the tag off of him and move on with 9.75M freed up to spend as needed. This is just an insurance policy that doesn't hurt them at all to use since they can do away with it at any time without penalty.

Wow, somebody gets it w/o screaming the sky is falling

thor75
03-03-2014, 08:38 PM
Why does this mean Woodley is staying? The transition tag is often used as part of the negotiation. They could still cut Woodley.

Could they use the transitional tag on Woirlds as leverage to negotiate with Woodley and get him to reduce his contract? I don't know if that's possible, but if that's what you're suggesting, I'm on board.

I think this is too much money to spend on Woirlds. Hopefully they use it to leverage Woodley then let the highest bidder take Woirlds.

pittpete
03-03-2014, 09:02 PM
Could they use the transitional tag on Woirlds as leverage to negotiate with Woodley and get him to reduce his contract? I don't know if that's possible, but if that's what you're suggesting, I'm on board.

I think this is too much money to spend on Woirlds. Hopefully they use it to leverage Woodley then let the highest bidder take Woirlds.

Yes, that's what they can and will be doing.
Just because JW has a 1 year offer right now doesn't mean a team can't negotiate a deal

flippy
03-03-2014, 09:55 PM
I thought they'd franchise him. I'm surprised they didn't to guarantee they'd get something in return. To all the Worilds doubters, he's gonna be in the mix for DMVP in his first full season as a starter.

SS Laser
03-04-2014, 12:58 AM
I thought they'd franchise him. I'm surprised they didn't to guarantee they'd get something in return. To all the Worilds doubters, he's gonna be in the mix for DMVP in his first full season as a starter.Oh that is better Flip. I see you got back on your meds! :)

Ernie
03-04-2014, 07:22 AM
I don't know about that flip (not ruling it out)... but I will say it is a strong possibility that we will regret getting rid of him (ie Kennan Lewis) when he suits up and dominates for another team next year.

K Train
03-04-2014, 09:33 AM
They're just waiting to see what he is offered in FA. Someone will offer him something - they either match or they don't.

No way does Worilds stay for the 1 year at 9.75M. Worst case scenario they pull the tag off of him and move on with 9.75M freed up to spend as needed. This is just an insurance policy that doesn't hurt them at all to use since they can do away with it at any time without penalty.

I dont think you can withdraw a tag, obviously they can either match or not match but if a team offers worilds a contact and he wants more money (or the $9 million for a one year deal) he doesnt have to sign their deal which wont give the steelers any chance to match and has them on the hook for $9 million

phillyesq
03-04-2014, 10:03 AM
After thinking about this, I like the idea. First, the transition tag saves $2 million over the franchise tag. That alone is the difference in one player.

If Worilds gets a crazy deal, you let him walk. If he finds that his market value is what the Steelers thought it was, you extend him. If all of that fails, he plays one year on the tender and you see if he can repeat his success.

This likely means that Woodley is gone, but what if he agrees to a straight pay cut? Would he get more than $4 million on the open market?

steelz09
03-04-2014, 10:53 AM
This is an interesting move.

It tells me they are working on a long term deal because I don't think the Steelers want to shell out that type of $ when they are already paying Woodley big money. That doesn't make any sense. If they plan to cut Woodley then that MUST mean they have long term plans w/ Worilds as a Steeler.

I don't see a team offering Worilds more than 9 million for next year. That type of $ usually gets backloaded into contracts.

The Steelers don't want to pay Worilds 9 mil for 1 year. They want a long term deal and I'm sure Worilds wants the same thing. Most players dislike these tags.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-04-2014, 11:21 AM
After thinking about this, I like the idea. First, the transition tag saves $2 million over the franchise tag. That alone is the difference in one player.

If Worilds gets a crazy deal, you let him walk. If he finds that his market value is what the Steelers thought it was, you extend him. If all of that fails, he plays one year on the tender and you see if he can repeat his success.

This likely means that Woodley is gone, but what if he agrees to a straight pay cut? Would he get more than $4 million on the open market?
indeed. it means they want to keep Worilds, but, want to make sure they can do so in a reasonable deal. If they cannot reach a deal with Worilds or are outbid for his services, they know they have Woodley on standby and don't need to cut him. I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see them go into this season with Worilds still tagged, Woodley on his existing contract (restructured) and JJ - yup all 3. No, i don't expect it, but, it wouldn't shock me.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-04-2014, 11:48 AM
Worilds won't play the year on the Tag. No player in line for a big multi year deal wants to play on game checks. This is to protect the Steelers. They don't want to lose Worilds. They have the tag under the cap. Some team now will have to exceed the 9+mil to force the Steelers into a decision. Mirror Kruger's deal similar to Worilds. Kruger's 5/40 only had a 6 mil SB. The rest of his guaranteed money was in '13-'14 season of base & roster bonus. After '14 on Kruger's deal...There is only 3.6 mil of dead money. Even if the Browns cut him today...It only counts as 4.8 mil of dead money. So for those worried about another "Woodley mistake"...That's the way it should be structured. It wasn't Woodley's contract that hurt...It was the restructures. Without the restructures the Steelers would only be sitting on 5.2 mil of dead money versus the 14.1 hole the dug.

If Worilds doesn't find any takers he will sign a multi year deal with the Steelers to get his up front money. My guess..That will reduce the hit by 2-3 mil if nobody signs him to an offer sheet. It is hard not to imagine Worilds here long term now that he was tagged.

papillon
03-04-2014, 11:49 AM
indeed. it means they want to keep Worilds, but, want to make sure they can do so in a reasonable deal. If they cannot reach a deal with Worilds or are outbid for his services, they know they have Woodley on standby and don't need to cut him. I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see them go into this season with Worilds still tagged, Woodley on his existing contract (restructured) and JJ - yup all 3. No, i don't expect it, but, it wouldn't shock me.

Ugh, then 1 of two things will happen, either a very high paid OLB will be rotating in and not playing every snap or last year's 1st round pick is sitting and watching, based on the salaries, Jones watching and getting snaps here and there would be the best thing.

Pappy

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-04-2014, 11:59 AM
Let's be honest. Woodley, Worilds, & Jones here in '14 makes them a hell of alot better. But...If they sign Worilds to a multi year...Woodley will have to take a pay cut for that to happen. Woodley would really have to WANT to be here for him to take a pay cut. Regardless of the recent injuires...At 29....Woodley would get more up front money if released & signs a new deal than the Steelers would pay him in base in '14. When Worilds signs a long term deal with the Steelers...People will line up with mud in their hands to throw at Woodley. Here comes the ugly..Business side of the NFL...Can't blame Woodley for holding his ground to get released.

Eddie Spaghetti
03-04-2014, 01:21 PM
apparently woirlds signed his tag

has to mean a long term deal is in the works

flippy
03-04-2014, 01:29 PM
I don't know about that flip (not ruling it out)... but I will say it is a strong possibility that we will regret getting rid of him (ie Kennan Lewis) when he suits up and dominates for another team next year.

This was Jason's first season to get significant starting time. Based on his numbers after the bye week, he had a pace of 80 Tackles, 12 sacks, and 3 FFs. Those stats are approaching James Harrison territory.

The only guy that's more effective on the field for us is Cam Heyward who looks like he's should put up a performance next season to make us forget we ever thought Aaron Smith was even good.

There's no way we can let either of these guys get away.

pittpete
03-04-2014, 01:31 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/440892761102090240

phillyesq
03-04-2014, 01:43 PM
Surprising:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/04/jason-worilds-signs-his-transition-tag-from-steelers/

I wouldn't have signed so quickly if I was him. Now that he did sign, hopefully the Steelers get an extension ironed out, and quickly, to free up cap space.

feltdizz
03-04-2014, 01:43 PM
9.7 mill........

flippy
03-04-2014, 01:44 PM
I like that Worilds isn't messing around and just working on a deal...

feltdizz
03-04-2014, 01:44 PM
Surprising:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/04/jason-worilds-signs-his-transition-tag-from-steelers/

I wouldn't have signed so quickly if I was him. Now that he did sign, hopefully the Steelers get an extension ironed out, and quickly, to free up cap space.

it shows he wanted to stay

flippy
03-04-2014, 01:45 PM
it shows he wanted to stay

He ain't playing.

papillon
03-04-2014, 02:07 PM
I get the feeling that the long term deal, when unveiled, is going to put the Steelers in the same situation that they are in with Lamarr Woodley, by pushing money to the back end of the deal to create cap space now. This one could put them one step lower than cap Hell, I guess Purgatory comes to mind.

I'm not sure this is what the Steelers expected to happen.

Pappy

Eddie Spaghetti
03-04-2014, 02:10 PM
the cap is expected to increase significantly in the next two years.

they didn't want a repeat of the keenan lewis situation, IMO

papillon
03-04-2014, 02:40 PM
the cap is expected to increase significantly in the next two years.

they didn't want a repeat of the keenan lewis situation, IMO

Keenan Lewis was gone, he wanted to play in New Orleans, Louisiana and very little (short of an unbelievable amount of money) was going to prevent that. The only team that Worilds wanted to play for was the Steelers (based on his statements, true or not). It certainly will be interesting what happens next, particularly with Ike, because we all know that Dan Rooney loves him like a son.

Pappy

Eddie Spaghetti
03-04-2014, 02:45 PM
Keenan Lewis was gone, he wanted to play in New Orleans, Louisiana and very little (short of an unbelievable amount of money) was going to prevent that. The only team that Worilds wanted to play for was the Steelers (based on his statements, true or not). It certainly will be interesting what happens next, particularly with Ike, because we all know that Dan Rooney loves him like a son.

Pappy

I was speaking in a general sense pap. They didn't want to see another talented young player up and leave as he is hitting his prime.

this is nothing more than a choice of woirlds over woodley, dead money be damned. I also believe that one thing that doesn't get mention much, but may have been a big part of the decision is woodleys attitude. There was an article awhile back about how he had changed and not for the better. He seemed to be more surly and bitter and I don't believe the steelers want that in their locker room. I only hope they chose right.

feltdizz
03-04-2014, 03:06 PM
Keenan Lewis was gone, he wanted to play in New Orleans, Louisiana and very little (short of an unbelievable amount of money) was going to prevent that. The only team that Worilds wanted to play for was the Steelers (based on his statements, true or not). It certainly will be interesting what happens next, particularly with Ike, because we all know that Dan Rooney loves him like a son.

Pappy

We never offered Keenan 8 or 9 mill to see if Keenan would get over his desire to play for N.O.

Maybe it was a done deal but the best way to find out is to actually OFFER him something to turn down.

Ernie
03-04-2014, 05:41 PM
This was Jason's first season to get significant starting time. Based on his numbers after the bye week, he had a pace of 80 Tackles, 12 sacks, and 3 FFs. Those stats are approaching James Harrison territory.

The only guy that's more effective on the field for us is Cam Heyward who looks like he's should put up a performance next season to make us forget we ever thought Aaron Smith was even good.

There's no way we can let either of these guys get away.

Aaron Smith was one of the best DE's in the league for several years. Hopefully Heyward matches that at some point. Looks like he's off to a good start anyways.

Ernie
03-04-2014, 05:43 PM
We never offered Keenan 8 or 9 mill to see if Keenan would get over his desire to play for N.O.

Maybe it was a done deal but the best way to find out is to actually OFFER him something to turn down.

Agreed dizz.. I am sure Keenan Lewis is not the first person to have played on a team that was away from his home town team. Lot's of speculation on the part of the folks who say he wouldn't have stayed regardless. Wouldn't have been such a terrible loss if we had been able to replace him in a timely manner.

NJ-STEELER
03-04-2014, 05:51 PM
We never offered Keenan 8 or 9 mill to see if Keenan would get over his desire to play for N.O.

Maybe it was a done deal but the best way to find out is to actually OFFER him something to turn down.
............

$$

NorthCoast
03-05-2014, 01:34 PM
We never offered Keenan 8 or 9 mill to see if Keenan would get over his desire to play for N.O.

Maybe it was a done deal but the best way to find out is to actually OFFER him something to turn down.


But as I posted previously, other teams did offer more money, and he took less to play in his home town. why would you want to sign a player that wants to be elsewhere??

Oviedo
03-05-2014, 01:41 PM
I was speaking in a general sense pap. They didn't want to see another talented young player up and leave as he is hitting his prime.

this is nothing more than a choice of woirlds over woodley, dead money be damned. I also believe that one thing that doesn't get mention much, but may have been a big part of the decision is woodleys attitude. There was an article awhile back about how he had changed and not for the better. He seemed to be more surly and bitter and I don't believe the steelers want that in their locker room. I only hope they chose right.

Totally agree. They have to stop the young players leaving and retaining experienced players no matter how hard it hurts.

If they would have let Worilds walk and he would get double digit sacks they would have looked like idiots as our remaining OLBs would likely be struggling to get half a dozen.

feltdizz
03-05-2014, 01:43 PM
But as I posted previously, other teams did offer more money, and he took less to play in his home town. why would you want to sign a player that wants to be elsewhere??

because he was young, good and familiar with our city/coaches/players.

like I said, at least make an offer for him to turn down.

turning other new teams down is different than turning down a team you spent 4 years with.