Bayless and Smith usually come across as morons, but....

[BlitzTo7]

This time, I think they are spot on:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9693130

[Shawn]

For those of us who dont run flash, can you give us a break down of what was said?

[steelz09]

For those of us who dont run flash, can you give us a break down of what was said?

iphone/ipad user?

[Steelhere10]

For those of us who dont run flash, can you give us a break down of what was said?
Pretty much Haley was forced on Tomlin because of Dick Haley/Rooney connection Haley suck and if he were forced on Tomlin then the problem is bigger because the players know it.

[Steelhere10]

You can watch the video here

http://www.steelersgab.com/2013/09/19/video-haley-confronted-after-steelers-struggles/

[Töm87]

Damn i knew it was bad. But know that for the first time in my life that i agree with Smith, i know it is really really bad:( Didn't know that Habout Haleys father. So i guess there's virtually no hope that the Rooneys will ever fire Haey :( :(

[BlitzTo7]

Pretty much Haley was forced on Tomlin because of Dick Haley/Rooney connection Haley suck and if he were forced on Tomlin then the problem is bigger because the players know it.

Fans want to make it out as "Ben vs. Haley", but really it's way beyond that. None of the players really seem to like Haley or his schemes.

I like the point Smith and Bayless make about players not being receptive to the fact that Haley was forced on Tomlin. You see that with the Cowboys often when Jerry Jones continuously overrules his coaches.

[feltdizz]

What if Tomlin wanted BA.. then after he was fired he wanted Caldwell... that would really upset me if Tomlin had Haley forced on him. Is Crash the source for this story?

[Captain Lemming]

Is Crash the source for this story?
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Yes, and HE is the ULTIMATE insider so IT MUST be true. :)

[BlitzTo7]

What if Tomlin wanted BA.. then after he was fired he wanted Caldwell... that would really upset me if Tomlin had Haley forced on him. Is Crash the source for this story?

Remember how Art II supposedly was impressed when Bill O'Brien yelled at Tom Brady 2 years ago?

If Haley was forced on Tomlin just because he can yell at players, then there's some HUGE dysfunction at the top of the Steelers organization. Why the hell should the Steelers even care about what happened between Brady and O'Brien?

[Shawn]

iphone/ipad user? Macbook pro

[Slapstick]

Bayless and Smith still come off as douches...

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

What if Tomlin wanted BA.. then after he was fired he wanted Caldwell... that would really upset me if Tomlin had Haley forced on him. Is Crash the source for this story?

IIRC Tomlin told BA that he would be retained, and then a couple of days later it was announced that he would not be. I've had my ups and downs on BA, and am not convinced that Haley will for sure continue to flop, but I don't like the idea that Tomlin did not get to choose his own OC.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

IIRC Tomlin told BA that he would be retained, and then a couple of days later it was announced that he would not be. I've had my ups and downs on BA, and am not convinced that Haley will for sure continue to flop, but I don't like the idea that Tomlin did not get to choose his own OC.
That may be what happened, but it's just speculation. Tomlin himself said he decided to can BA and hire Haley. Now, could Tomlin have lied about that to try to save face for the organization? Sure. I could see him doing that. But then again, maybe the OC change was his call, and not forced by Art II.

I've seen nothing conclusive to prove things either way.

[BlitzTo7]

That may be what happened, but it's just speculation. Tomlin himself said he decided to can BA and hire Haley. Now, could Tomlin have lied about that to try to save face for the organization? Sure. I could see him doing that. But then again, maybe the OC change was his call, and not forced by Art II.

I've seen nothing conclusive to prove things either way.

Because after the Wild Card loss in Denver he said he intended to keep both coordinators.

[LordVile]

Haley wasn't even the first named mentioned when it came to the OC job.. it was WILSON and others.. this video is is SOAP OPERA..

[BlitzTo7]

Haley wasn't even the first named mentioned when it came to the OC job.. it was WILSON and others.. this video is is SOAP OPERA..

Get used to it, because it's starting to look like more and more media types are catching onto this.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

IIRC Tomlin told BA that he would be retained, and then a couple of days later it was announced that he would not be. I've had my ups and downs on BA, and am not convinced that Haley will for sure continue to flop, but I don't like the idea that Tomlin did not get to choose his own OC.
The coach can't pick his own OC, and the OC isn't allowed to run whatever he wants as his offense. Pathetic. My guess is the line coach was 'suggested' by the Rooneys as well.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

That may be what happened, but it's just speculation. Tomlin himself said he decided to can BA and hire Haley. Now, could Tomlin have lied about that to try to save face for the organization? Sure. I could see him doing that. But then again, maybe the OC change was his call, and not forced by Art II.

I've seen nothing conclusive to prove things either way.

Come on man. Tomlin said BA was coming back, then things suddenly changed. The Rooneys made the call. You think Tomlin is going to admit that? F'n lies. Just like Art2 stating BA retired.

[Ghost]

No one posting here was in the room when Rooney and Tomlin were having discussions regarding the direction of this team. No media was there either. It's downright laughable that the screaming Smith or clueless Bayless know anything about the inner workings of the Steelers.

Any talk about why Haley was hired, if nepotism was involved, or if he was forced on Tomlin is pure speculation. Anyone saying anything different, especially posters on this board, are talking out their ass.

[flippy]

No one posting here was in the room when Rooney and Tomlin were having discussions regarding the direction of this team. No media was there either. It's downright laughable that the screaming Smith or clueless Bayless know anything about the inner workings of the Steelers.

Any talk about why Haley was hired, if nepotism was involved, or if he was forced on Tomlin is pure speculation. Anyone saying anything different, especially posters on this board, are talking out their ass.

The Steelers announced BA's retirement and then he ends up coaching in Indy. So everything they said they did before and after that is bs. Sure, who knows what happened? But this is the reason we can speculate.

Tomlin taking credit for everything and being in control after the fact really does sound like the same sort of BS spin we got with BA's "retirement". It's just a little fishy sounding. Again, who knows what really happened?

I've tried to figure out why Tomlin woulda/coulda hired Haley on his own accord. The only theory that makes sense is he wanted to use Haley to push Ben's buttons given Haley's rough history. Could it simply be Tomlin's way to call Ben a 1 trick pony to push him to be better? I dunno. But I do know Tomlin's into mind games.

[LordVile]

No one posting here was in the room when Rooney and Tomlin were having discussions regarding the direction of this team. No media was there either. It's downright laughable that the screaming Smith or clueless Bayless know anything about the inner workings of the Steelers.

Any talk about why Haley was hired, if nepotism was involved, or if he was forced on Tomlin is pure speculation. Anyone saying anything different, especially posters on this board, are talking out their ass.

yuuuuuuuuup.. MELROSE PLACERS..

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Because after the Wild Card loss in Denver he said he intended to keep both coordinators.
While it seems suspicious, it doesn't prove anything. Mike could have changed his mind after thinking about things for a couple of days. We don't know.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

No one posting here was in the room when Rooney and Tomlin were having discussions regarding the direction of this team. No media was there either. It's downright laughable that the screaming Smith or clueless Bayless know anything about the inner workings of the Steelers.

Any talk about why Haley was hired, if nepotism was involved, or if he was forced on Tomlin is pure speculation. Anyone saying anything different, especially posters on this board, are talking out their ass.
:Agree
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[BlitzTo7]

While it seems suspicious, it doesn't prove anything. Mike could have changed his mind after thinking about things for a couple of days. We don't know.

More likely he had help changing his mind.

Anybody that isn't intentionally burying their head in the sand knows it wasn't Tomlins decision to can Arians.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

More likely he had help changing his mind.

Anybody that isn't intentionally burying their head in the sand knows it wasn't Tomlins decision to can Arians.

You don't KNOW, you're only guessing.

Look, it's not like this was the only time Tomlin ever made a sudden, unexpected coaching change. He seemed to have been supportive of ST coach Al Everest when he canned him unexpectedly just two weeks before the start of last season.

From a report on another site:

"Teams like the Steelers do not stir the pot two weeks prior to the start of the regular season, but that is exactly what Tomlin did when he fired special teams coach Al Everest. Everest told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2473222-85/teams-everest-steelers-special-season-punt-former-nfl-tomlin-coach#axzz2GyAgcvgw) that it was “over professional differences” and “it was a shocker.”


It was a shocker for everyone.


Everest helped turn the special teams into one of the league’s more respectable unit after it struggled under former special teams coach Bob Ligashesky. The year prior to Everest being hired, the Steelers ranked 30th in special teams according to Footballoutsiders.com (http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst2012) special teams rankings. He raised it to 16th in his first season and then ninth overall [in 2011]."


I can remember no report or even suggestion that Everest's firing was anyone's decision but Tomlin's. It could be that he is prone to making these kinds of sudden changes at times.


See also: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/03/coach-tomlin-says-he-made-steelers-calls-on-firinghiring/1#.Uj0TC38mySo

[steelblood]

That may be what happened, but it's just speculation. Tomlin himself said he decided to can BA and hire Haley. Now, could Tomlin have lied about that to try to save face for the organization? Sure. I could see him doing that. But then again, maybe the OC change was his call, and not forced by Art II.

I've seen nothing conclusive to prove things either way.

i concur with the hair stylist

[rpmpit]

Not a Haley fan at all. If he was fired today I'd be ok with it. But can you name a OC who would have success with this line, no TE, no true #1 WR and no true #1 RB?

[feltdizz]

Come on man. Tomlin said BA was coming back, then things suddenly changed. The Rooneys made the call. You think Tomlin is going to admit that? F'n lies. Just like Art2 stating BA retired.

Yep... and there was a time when I thought Tomlin may have fired BA for Caldwell but when we chose Haley it damn sure seemed like Crash was spot on with this being forced on Tomlin.

When they said BA was retiring and BA said it was a lie you knew something was up...

[feltdizz]

Not a Haley fan at all. If he was fired today I'd be ok with it. But can you name a OC who would have success with this line, no TE, no true #1 WR and no true #1 RB?

an OC who continues to give the ball to Jones in the second half would have more success.

an OC who puts Moyer or Wheaton on the go route so the other guys could work underneath could have success.

an OC who doesn't run a reverse with Crotchery could have more succese.

an OC who doesn't run bubble screens on 3rd and 8...or sub players after a fumble.

we dont need a true #1 to have success at the RB and TE position. Our D has kept our O close enough to stumble on an occasional TD to win a game. The problem is this OC concerned with being right instead of winning... its why you saw the sub package come in when we needed a quick snap after the paulson fumble.

[rpmpit]

an OC who continues to give the ball to Jones in the second half would have more success.

an OC who puts Moyer or Wheaton on the go route so the other guys could work underneath could have success.

an OC who doesn't run a reverse with Crotchery could have more succese.

an OC who doesn't run bubble screens on 3rd and 8...or sub players after a fumble.

we dont need a true #1 to have success at the RB and TE position. Our D has kept our O close enough to stumble on an occasional TD to win a game. The problem is this OC concerned with being right instead of winning... its why you saw the sub package come in when we needed a quick snap after the paulson fumble.


I'd like to see Jones more. Agree on that one. Maybe you don't need a TRUE #1 at RB & TE. But at the very least, you need players who are better than the average guy off the street.

Again, not defending Haley. Not at all. Actually hoping they come to their senses and get rid of him. But I think our problems are more a function of injuries and lack of talent. Easy to point at one guy. A lot of us pointed at BA in years past. How's that look now??