Tomlin..... Learn something from Chip

[steelz09]

Hey Mike... Listen up.

There is this thing called coaching and you might want to try it sometime. The eagles defense was a joke last year. The eagles o-line was a joke last year. Are you watching this game? The eagles look motivated, crisp and prepared. Our offense doesn't have any of these attributes.

Wow... imagine that! Coaching actually does make a difference even if some people around here don't want to admit it.

[thor75]

the bears seemed to change their offensive line woes in one year (based of one game this year so its early). bengals had no sacks on Cutler. Why can't we do this??

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

I don't know their lineups, but do do they have better players than the guys we had on the field last night? I'd guess they do, even knowing nothing about them.

Even so ... we were moving the ball AWESOME before the fumble/injury to Pouncey.

[steelz09]

I know one thing for sure.... they didn't replace their entire o-line, most of their offense, and defense in one year.

It's coaching. It's preparation.

Yes, Pouncey is a loss but his injury shouldn't turn a professional team into a pee wee football team. He's not that good and quite honestly, he looked like crap in preseason. I thought Beachum played ok... Teams lose players all the time including pro bowlers. The good teams have depth and the good teams keep moving forward without absolutely collapsing.

Again... this isn't a 1 game hiccup. This team has had ongoing problems for AWHILE now. I think that is why so many of us are pissed about the performance or lack thereof.

[fordfixer]

the bears seemed to change their offensive line woes in one year (based of one game this year so its early). bengals had no sacks on Cutler. Why can't we do this??
We have done this, I think there were a couple of teams last year that we had no sacks on :-)

[NorthCoast]

I know one thing for sure.... they didn't replace their entire o-line, most of their offense, and defense in one year.

It's coaching. It's preparation.

Yes, Pouncey is a loss but his injury shouldn't turn a professional team into a pee wee football team. He's not that good and quite honestly, he looked like crap in preseason. I thought Beachum played ok... Teams lose players all the time including pro bowlers. The good teams have depth and the good teams keep moving forward without absolutely collapsing.

Again... this isn't a 1 game hiccup. This team has had ongoing problems for AWHILE now. I think that is why so many of us are pissed about the performance or lack thereof.

Not true last season. The Superbowl Niners played their entire season with their starting OL not missing a single snap. Chicago on the other hand, had more injuries to their OL than the Steelers.
There is a reason why these guys are second or third on the depth charts and not starting. Give the starters a little more credit. A team can cover up one missing key player but missing multiple is near impossible in this league. No Miller, no Pouncey = a very tough combo. Really, Beachum never playing an NFL game at center is expected to replace a pro-bowler and not miss a beat?

[Shoe]

Tomlin is a master in making his jaw square at press conferences, making "strong" declarative remarks (sprinkled with catch-phrases), and doing nothing.

[steelblood]

Tomlin lets his coordinators and assistants coach. He is not a micro-manager. That is his approach for better or for worse. The problem is that you need top notch coordinators and assistants for that to work. We have a few, but not enough.

[papillon]

Tomlin lets his coordinators and assistants coach. He is not a micro-manager. That is his approach for better or for worse. The problem is that you need top notch coordinators and assistants for that to work. We have a few, but not enough.

Then Tomlin needs to hold the coordinators accountable for details. In this case, particularly Haley (who has to hold Bicknell accountable) for the disaaster that is the Steelers' offense.

Pappy

[steelblood]

Then Tomlin needs to hold the coordinators accountable for details. In this case, particularly Haley (who has to hold Bicknell accountable) for the disaaster that is the Steelers' offense.

Pappy

I don't disagree. But, we have no idea what happens behind closed doors. Generally, the Steelers choose not to air their dirty laundry. Maybe Tomlin is holding them accountable, maybe is acting stoic and towing the company line, maybe he is clueless. We have no idea at this point. But, we shall see.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Then Tomlin needs to hold the coordinators accountable for details. In this case, particularly Haley (who has to hold Bicknell accountable) for the disaaster that is the Steelers' offense.

Pappy

I don't know Bicknell from Adam, but I do feel that Lombardi himself (whose 1st pro job was as an offensive coach) couldn't get jack out of these guys. The quality just isn't there. And I don't mean just because Pouncey went down. People with the skill level Ramon Foster and Adams protecting a franchise QB's blind side?

Whatever poor coaching may contribute, I think the largest problems by far are 1) poor protoplasm for our coaches to work with, and 2) injuries. The more interesting question to me, and what I think needs to be addressed the most to move forward, is why we're having those problems.

[feltdizz]

Chip Kelly is an offensive genius... a guru of sorts. I think his philosophy may work in the NFL. It looks fun, high octane and some of the formations and blocking techniques are crazy.

I doubt Tomlin can institute something like that due to our FO. We need a college OC like the guy in Clemson or Texas A&M.

[flippy]

Chip Kelly is an offensive genius... a guru of sorts.

Haley's right there with him. There really is no difference between genius and idiot.

[papillon]

I don't know Bicknell from Adam, but I do feel that Lombardi himself (whose 1st pro job was as an offensive coach) couldn't get jack out of these guys. The quality just isn't there. And I don't mean just because Pouncey went down. People with the skill level Ramon Foster and Adams protecting a franchise QB's blind side?

Whatever poor coaching may contribute, I think the largest problems by far are 1) poor protoplasm for our coaches to work with, and 2) injuries. The more interesting question to me, and what I think needs to be addressed the most to move forward, is why we're having those problems.

It doesn't take any amount of skill to understand the snap count or to be able to identify the players wearing the same colored jersey as you particularly when you're running directly behind one of them, and I have a hard time believing that the Steelers have 5 offensive linemen so bad at blocking that they can't be held accountable on some level.

I also think that there are offensive line coaches out there that would be able to put this group of linemen in a position to be successful. It remains to be seen if the Steeler coaching staff has what it takes.

Pappy

[BURGH86STEEL]

Tomlin's the guy with a couple of SB rings. Let's see what Kelly can do over the long haul. People shouldn't get caught up into what's new and shiny to quickly.

[flippy]

It doesn't take any amount of skill to understand the snap count or to be able to identify the players wearing the same colored jersey as you particularly when you're running directly behind one of them, and I have a hard time believing that the Steelers have 5 offensive linemen so bad at blocking that they can't be held accountable on some level.

I also think that there are offensive line coaches out there that would be able to put this group of linemen in a position to be successful. It remains to be seen if the Steeler coaching staff has what it takes.

Pappy

Why not go 5 wide with Ben in the gun in a fast paced no huddle. Ben could pick anyone apart. The D would tire and they couldn't rush that many with 5 wide. Plus in the gun he can get rid of the ball without taking hits. Even if they blitz with 6, someone should be able to beat their 1 on 1 matchup. And I doubt anyone would cover all our WRs 1 on 1 with their open field running ability. Even our line should be able to block 3-5 guys every play.

[Sword]

Why not go 5 wide with Ben in the gun in a fast paced no huddle. Ben could pick anyone apart. The D would tire and they couldn't rush that many with 5 wide. Plus in the gun he can get rid of the ball without taking hits. Even if they blitz with 6, someone should be able to beat their 1 on 1 matchup. And I doubt anyone would cover all our WRs 1 on 1 with their open field running ability. Even our line should be able to block 3-5 guys every play.


I agree with this..maximize Ben's Strengths.....

[steelz09]

Tomlin's the guy with a couple of SB rings. Let's see what Kelly can do over the long haul. People shouldn't get caught up into what's new and shiny to quickly.

Fair enough.... but it's farily obvious that the more this becomes "Tomlins team", the more this team sucks.

[feltdizz]

It doesn't take any amount of skill to understand the snap count or to be able to identify the players wearing the same colored jersey as you particularly when you're running directly behind one of them, and I have a hard time believing that the Steelers have 5 offensive linemen so bad at blocking that they can't be held accountable on some level.

I also think that there are offensive line coaches out there that would be able to put this group of linemen in a position to be successful. It remains to be seen if the Steeler coaching staff has what it takes.

Pappy

Our OL is filled with 1st and 2nd rounders and it looks worse than before.

The almighty DD just took out our C... not sure what more we can do. It's definitely coaching. We have a bunch of softies up front. Not sure what SF is doing but those guys are monsters who don't miss games. There is a culture of hurt = injured and it needs to stop.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Our OL is filled with 1st and 2nd rounders and it looks worse than before.

The almighty DD just took out our C... not sure what more we can do. It's definitely coaching. We have a bunch of softies up front. Not sure what SF is doing but those guys are monsters who don't miss games. There is a culture of hurt = injured and it needs to stop.

I agree, Pouncey needs to be held accountable, get out of the whirlpool, and back on the field. ;-)