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Oviedo
04-23-2013, 03:31 PM
Just to be balanced Harrison says he doesn't hate Steelers

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9202801/cincinnati-bengals-make-james-harrison-addition-official

Still think we were right to get rid of him and he was wrong to turn down $4M from us.

Sugar
04-23-2013, 03:54 PM
It's interesting that he'll still live in Pittsburgh. The economics didn't work out for the Steelers to keep him. However, this also makes a division rival even stronger than they were last year.

It also looks like he hasn't lost his "blue collar" style: "The Bengals were impressed when he visited Cincinnati for a workout."He came in here and had a great visit and kind of bared his soul on things to us," Lewis said. "I think it showed really the kind of person he was for us. That was great. [He] worked on the field for us, which not a lot of guys at this point in his career would be willing to do that."

Captain Lemming
04-23-2013, 04:25 PM
It's interesting that he'll still live in Pittsburgh. The economics didn't work out for the Steelers to keep him. However, this also makes a division rival even stronger than they were last year.

It also looks like he hasn't lost his "blue collar" style: "The Bengals were impressed when he visited Cincinnati for a workout."He came in here and had a great visit and kind of bared his soul on things to us," Lewis said. "I think it showed really the kind of person he was for us. That was great. [

"Bared his soul......in a way that REALLY IMMPRESSED the Bengals?

"The Steelers cut me......I promise you that NOBODY you have ever had will be more dedicated to sweeping the Steelers and winning this division than I am"

Do I believe he does not hate the Steelers? Sure. His teamates and coaches and the fans who love him. Sure I get it. He lives in Pittburgh, why become "the enemy".
Do I believe he will want ALL OF THOSE PARTIES to regret the day he was released by putting a royal whoopin on us?
Do I believe beating us will mean more to him then say beating the Ravens?
Yes to all the above?

Now regardless of whether he crushes us fans will hold less animosity, "he is just doing his job" we will say when he puts up his biggest numbers against us.

If I were cut I would not "hate" the team, but I would "resent" management for doing it EVEN IF I UNDERSTOOD THE LOGIC.

Do I believe him saying: "I don't have a chip on my shoulder against the Steelers?"

Sure, I believe him.......to call it a mere "chip" is an understatement
Dude will be hauling a stinkin SEQOUIA on his shoulder.

DBR96A
04-23-2013, 05:02 PM
James Harrison: Sid Bream Part Deux?

flippy
04-23-2013, 06:22 PM
Wonder what happens if Cincy cuts him and he ends up in Cleveland? Would Cleveland then sweep the division?

SanAntonioSteelerFan
04-23-2013, 06:54 PM
Wonder what happens if Cincy cuts him and he ends up in Cleveland? Would Cleveland then sweep the division?
It's a funny world, you never know what's gonna happen.

My B&G #92 Jersey stays where it is in my closet ...

:-)

SteelCrazy
04-23-2013, 07:04 PM
It's a funny world, you never know what's gonna happen.

My B&G #92 Jersey stays where it is in my closet ...

:-)

The last time I wore my #92 jersey was at the AFC Championship game vs the Jets. It looks like that will be the last time ever.

flippy
04-23-2013, 07:46 PM
The last time I wore my #92 jersey was at the AFC Championship game vs the Jets. It looks like that will be the last time ever.

You can get it back out after he retires. I always wear my old jerseys like Mean Joe, etc.

RKSteel
04-23-2013, 08:30 PM
You can get it back out after he retires. I always wear my old jerseys like Mean Joe, etc.If its a replica jersey, you can cut the name patch off the back, did it with my 92 Gildon jersey.

Sugar
04-23-2013, 10:45 PM
I'm actually looking to see if I can now get a Harrison Steelers jersey cheap now that he's gone. No one can take what he did for this team away from me, so I'd proudly wear his Steelers jersey.

Djfan
04-23-2013, 11:25 PM
I'm actually looking to see if I can now get a Harrison Steelers jersey cheap now that he's gone. No one can take what he did for this team away from me, so I'd proudly wear his Steelers jersey.

That's where I'm at with it. Only, I wait to wear it until he retires.

He's the last great old-school Steeler. The new rules make him a dying breed.

Captain Lemming
04-23-2013, 11:42 PM
I'm actually looking to see if I can now get a Harrison Steelers jersey cheap now that he's gone.

Oh, yes. I got TWO Jim Miller jerseys.
You wanna talk bargain, announce the starter in 96 (Jerseys made bigtime) then all of ONE START as a Steeler before being replaced by Tzak.

Gone the next year with pretty much ZERO fan base among Steeler fans.
Ahhhh, THAT kind of disposable inventory is rare. Practically GIVEN AWAY.
Harrisons Steeler jersey will get 10 times the interest, EVEN as a hated Bengal.

THAT my friend is a bargain.
I could care less about Miller, just give me a dirt cheap Steeler jersey!!!!!

Shawn
04-24-2013, 08:30 AM
When was Harrison cut? He refused a reasonable contract from us. Why does he have any antimosity towards one of the few teams that actually wanted him.

phillyesq
04-24-2013, 09:01 AM
That's where I'm at with it. Only, I wait to wear it until he retires.

He's the last great old-school Steeler. The new rules make him a dying breed.

I'll proudly wear his jersey again after he retires as well. I'm not sure if I'll wear it this season, but I'm thin on options. I got Harrison's jersey after his first season as a starter, and same with Troy. My Troy jersey is a bit smaller and I can't fit a sweatshirt under it for colder games.

I usually get the jersey of a a younger defensive player, but I don't see anybody that fits the profile at the moment. Maybe Worilds will step up this year, or perhaps a draft pick.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-24-2013, 09:50 AM
Wear that #92 with pride. Don't let the business of the game have any impact on a players legacy as a Steeler.

supersteeler
04-24-2013, 10:06 AM
I have James Harrison's Super Bowl XLIII Jersey and plan to still wear it, however it might a good idea I don't wear it if I go to the Steelers/Bengal game. :)


Btw, Harrison on the 4-3 vs 3-4:

Despite going from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3 one, Harrison believes there's little difference in his role the Bengals have planned for him compared to what he did in Pittsburgh the past nine seasons. “It’s not really a concern. Some of the defenses that we do are the same terminology. The coverages are the same, it's just you might switch from side to side," Harrison said, via the team's official website. "I’ll be playing sometimes stack like a regular inside linebacker that would play a 3-4. It’s a difference because you’re playing with an extra lineman. The only difference for me is I’ll be switching from side to side and playing stack in some of the situations."

Sugar
04-24-2013, 10:16 AM
When was Harrison cut? He refused a reasonable contract from us. Why does he have any antimosity towards one of the few teams that actually wanted him.

Colbert made it abundantly clear in their last press conference that James Harrison was "terminated." He was already under contract but didn't want to take a lesser amount than what he was already supposed to make. Thus, they cut or terminated, him.

Jooser
04-24-2013, 11:34 AM
Harrison contract shows what a beating he took Posted by Darin Gantt on April 24, 2013, 11:01 AM EDT
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/james-harrison2.jpg?w=250 Getty Images
As it pertains to new Bengals linebacker James Harrison (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/665/james-harrison), we now have a dollar figure to attach to pride.


And his was costly.


According to Howard Balzer of the Sports Xchange, Harrison’s new two-year deal with the Bengals is worth $4.45 million (https://twitter.com/HBalzer721/statuses/327068476499976193), including a $1.2 million signing bonus.


The deal includes base salaries of $1.4 million and $1.1 million, workout bonuses of $100,000 each year, and per-game roster bonuses which could total $300,000 this year and $250,000 next year.


That means his maximum payout this year is $3 million.


Compare that to the what he could have made in Pittsburgh, and he clearly lost this offseason.


According to an earlier report, Harrison turned down a 30 percent pay cut (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/09/harrison-rejected-30-percent-pay-cut-opportunity-to-earn-it-back/) from the Steelers, which included a chance to earn the balance back in incentives.


Based on the $6.57 million in base salary he would have received before he was released, that comes out to around $4.5 million this year.

So while he said he didn’t hate the Steelers (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/24/james-harrison-i-dont-hate-the-steelers/), he’ll doubtless be motivated to make up the difference on the field twice this season.

Slapstick
04-24-2013, 11:53 AM
So while he said he didnít hate the Steelers (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/24/james-harrison-i-dont-hate-the-steelers/), heíll doubtless be motivated to make up the difference on the field twice this season.

No one to blame but yourself, Deebo...

Shawn
04-24-2013, 01:01 PM
Colbert made it abundantly clear in their last press conference that James Harrison was "terminated." He was already under contract but didn't want to take a lesser amount than what he was already supposed to make. Thus, they cut or terminated, him.

Symantics. Harrison takes a cut he continues to be a Steeler. His health, age and his play had not warranted his salary. The Steelers tried to work with him, and it sounds like they offered more than anyone else. I just don't see the resentment. He got "terminated" because he refused to acknowledge he is aging, oft hurt and no longer quite as beastly as he once was.

Oviedo
04-24-2013, 01:20 PM
Harrison contract shows what a beating he took

Posted by Darin Gantt on April 24, 2013, 11:01 AM EDT
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/james-harrison2.jpg?w=250 Getty Images
As it pertains to new Bengals linebacker James Harrison (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/665/james-harrison), we now have a dollar figure to attach to pride.


And his was costly.


According to Howard Balzer of the Sports Xchange, Harrisonís new two-year deal with the Bengals is worth $4.45 million (https://twitter.com/HBalzer721/statuses/327068476499976193), including a $1.2 million signing bonus.


The deal includes base salaries of $1.4 million and $1.1 million, workout bonuses of $100,000 each year, and per-game roster bonuses which could total $300,000 this year and $250,000 next year.


That means his maximum payout this year is $3 million.


Compare that to the what he could have made in Pittsburgh, and he clearly lost this offseason.


According to an earlier report, Harrison turned down a 30 percent pay cut (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/09/harrison-rejected-30-percent-pay-cut-opportunity-to-earn-it-back/) from the Steelers, which included a chance to earn the balance back in incentives.


Based on the $6.57 million in base salary he would have received before he was released, that comes out to around $4.5 million this year.

So while he said he didnít hate the Steelers (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/24/james-harrison-i-dont-hate-the-steelers/), heíll doubtless be motivated to make up the difference on the field twice this season.

What an idiot. At least I hope he has fired his agent since he can't fire himself since both are morons for turning down the Steelers' offer.

I hope that ego was worth $1.5 million this year.

Bluto
04-24-2013, 01:25 PM
Harrison contract shows what a beating he took Posted by Darin Gantt on April 24, 2013, 11:01 AM EDT
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/james-harrison2.jpg?w=250 Getty Images
As it pertains to new Bengals linebacker James Harrison (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/665/james-harrison), we now have a dollar figure to attach to pride.


And his was costly.


According to Howard Balzer of the Sports Xchange, Harrison’s new two-year deal with the Bengals is worth $4.45 million (https://twitter.com/HBalzer721/statuses/327068476499976193), including a $1.2 million signing bonus.


The deal includes base salaries of $1.4 million and $1.1 million, workout bonuses of $100,000 each year, and per-game roster bonuses which could total $300,000 this year and $250,000 next year.


That means his maximum payout this year is $3 million.


Compare that to the what he could have made in Pittsburgh, and he clearly lost this offseason.


According to an earlier report, Harrison turned down a 30 percent pay cut (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/09/harrison-rejected-30-percent-pay-cut-opportunity-to-earn-it-back/) from the Steelers, which included a chance to earn the balance back in incentives.


Based on the $6.57 million in base salary he would have received before he was released, that comes out to around $4.5 million this year.

So while he said he didn’t hate the Steelers (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/24/james-harrison-i-dont-hate-the-steelers/), he’ll doubtless be motivated to make up the difference on the field twice this season.

He should not hate the steelers. he should hate his agent. Not only would he had a 4.5 million Deal THIS YEAR. They were going to load the deal with bonus incentive to recover the 6.5 million. Now he signs a 2 year 4.5 million deal. Sorry James horriable advice from your agent. Enjoy practicing outside in Cincy in Dec. I truely loved Harrison as a player and still do. I just hate to see him get screwed so bad by his agent. Deebo needs to fire that guy.

Sugar
04-24-2013, 01:29 PM
Symantics. Harrison takes a cut he continues to be a Steeler. His health, age and his play had not warranted his salary. The Steelers tried to work with him, and it sounds like they offered more than anyone else. I just don't see the resentment. He got "terminated" because he refused to acknowledge he is aging, oft hurt and no longer quite as beastly as he once was.

No, it's not semantics. He was hired at a previously agreed amount to do a job and felt that he deserved to be paid that way. He was fired because he wouldn't agree to be paid less. As you can see from the article, there is no resentment. That was manufactured for the press by a quote from a Bengals player.

It's not like James is the first high profile athlete to overestimate what people would pay for his services and he won't be the last. He took a gamble and lost out this time.

feltdizz
04-24-2013, 02:15 PM
No, it's not semantics. He was hired at a previously agreed amount to do a job and felt that he deserved to be paid that way. He was fired because he wouldn't agree to be paid less. As you can see from the article, there is no resentment. That was manufactured for the press by a quote from a Bengals player.

It's not like James is the first high profile athlete to overestimate what people would pay for his services and he won't be the last. He took a gamble and lost out this time.

Good post.. not sure why people are jumping on Harrison for expecting to get paid what he agreed to... Especially when you look at Troy P and how much time he's missed or Woodley and his lack of production.

JH felt he was worth a certain amount and the market didn't agree... isn't the first or last time this will happen I just hope we were right about him.

feltdizz
04-24-2013, 02:23 PM
What an idiot. At least I hope he has fired his agent since he can't fire himself since both are morons for turning down the Steelers' offer.

I hope that ego was worth $1.5 million this year.

Here is the thing... Harrison doesn't seem like the Revis type. IMO James felt disrespected by the FO asking him to play for less.

I bet he would feel like a bigger idiot if he took our offer and didn't even try the market. I think it may have led to some bad blood in the locker room too.

grotonsteel
04-24-2013, 02:30 PM
HArrison needs to fire the agent ASAP....

Bungholes got him for peanuts....If i was Harrison i would have retired .

Slapstick
04-24-2013, 02:35 PM
No, it's not semantics. He was hired at a previously agreed amount to do a job and felt that he deserved to be paid that way.

Just as the Steelers agreed to compensate him for a certain level of production. The Steelers felt that they deserved that certain level...when they didn't receive it, they asked to be able to pay less...

Unfortunately for James, the Steelers were right...

Unfortunately for both, James is now a Bengal...

Shawn
04-24-2013, 02:40 PM
Just as the Steelers agreed to compensate him for a certain level of production. The Steelers felt that they deserved that certain level...when they didn't receive it, they asked to be able to pay less...

Unfortunately for James, the Steelers were right...

Unfortunately for both, James is now a Bengal...


Exactly....

feltdizz
04-24-2013, 02:56 PM
Just as the Steelers agreed to compensate him for a certain level of production. The Steelers felt that they deserved that certain level...when they didn't receive it, they asked to be able to pay less...

Unfortunately for James, the Steelers were right...

Unfortunately for both, James is now a Bengal...

..and unfortunately we still have players on our roster who will never reach the production level we paid them for...

yay us?

feltdizz
04-24-2013, 02:58 PM
HArrison needs to fire the agent ASAP....

Bungholes got him for peanuts....If i was Harrison i would have retired .

Unless Harrison told the agent to take the deal and he refused I can't see why he would fire the agent...and I highly doubt the agent would do the opposite of what he asked.

From the sound of it James made it clear he knew he was gone before negotiations even started.

Oviedo
04-24-2013, 04:00 PM
Unless Harrison told the agent to take the deal and he refused I can't see why he would fire the agent...and I highly doubt the agent would do the opposite of what he asked.

From the sound of it James made it clear he knew he was gone before negotiations even started.

James is only gone because James chose to be gone. The power to stay was all in his hands and his decision.

Sugar
04-24-2013, 04:42 PM
James is only gone because James chose to be gone. The power to stay was all in his hands and his decision.

Actually, the Steelers also had a hand in that decision. ;)

Oviedo
04-24-2013, 04:47 PM
Actually, the Steelers also had a hand in that decision. ;)

Not really. It was James that rejected the only offer he was getting from them. He knew there wasn't another offer so he rejected it knowing they would cut him.

Sugar
04-24-2013, 05:04 PM
Not really. It was James that rejected the only offer he was getting from them. He knew there wasn't another offer so he rejected it knowing they would cut him.

Yes, really. They already had him under contract and decided that his was one that they could mess with. They didn't have to do that. The team made a value judgement. James also made a value judgement based on the offer that was made.

Now he has made an already strong division rival stronger and is getting less money for the privilege. Looks like a lose/lose for both sides to me.

feltdizz
04-24-2013, 06:04 PM
Yes, really. They already had him under contract and decided that his was one that they could mess with. They didn't have to do that. The team made a value judgement. James also made a value judgement based on the offer that was made.

Now he has made an already strong division rival stronger and is getting less money for the privilege. Looks like a lose/lose for both sides to me.


Yep... both parties lost in this transaction.

squidkid
04-24-2013, 07:09 PM
Harrison contract shows what a beating he took

Posted by Darin Gantt on April 24, 2013, 11:01 AM EDT
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/james-harrison2.jpg?w=250 Getty Images
As it pertains to new Bengals linebacker James Harrison (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/665/james-harrison), we now have a dollar figure to attach to pride.


And his was costly.


According to Howard Balzer of the Sports Xchange, Harrisonís new two-year deal with the Bengals is worth $4.45 million (https://twitter.com/HBalzer721/statuses/327068476499976193), including a $1.2 million signing bonus.


The deal includes base salaries of $1.4 million and $1.1 million, workout bonuses of $100,000 each year, and per-game roster bonuses which could total $300,000 this year and $250,000 next year.


That means his maximum payout this year is $3 million.


Compare that to the what he could have made in Pittsburgh, and he clearly lost this offseason.


According to an earlier report, Harrison turned down a 30 percent pay cut (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/09/harrison-rejected-30-percent-pay-cut-opportunity-to-earn-it-back/) from the Steelers, which included a chance to earn the balance back in incentives.


Based on the $6.57 million in base salary he would have received before he was released, that comes out to around $4.5 million this year.

So while he said he didnít hate the Steelers (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/24/james-harrison-i-dont-hate-the-steelers/), heíll doubtless be motivated to make up the difference on the field twice this season.


lol.............howd that work out for you james?

fordfixer
04-24-2013, 08:31 PM
I'll proudly wear his jersey again after he retires as well. I'm not sure if I'll wear it this season, but I'm thin on options. I got Harrison's jersey after his first season as a starter, and same with Troy. My Troy jersey is a bit smaller and I can't fit a sweatshirt under it for colder games.

I usually get the jersey of a a younger defensive player, but I don't see anybody that fits the profile at the moment. Maybe Worilds will step up this year, or perhaps a draft pick.
You should get a Hampton jersey for the cold games you can get 4 coats 3 sweaters and your girlfriend in one of them :-)