Steelers could pull Redman's tender offer

[Oviedo]

Not a bad idea if it helps them get a healthy Bradshaw. Redman will be nothing more than a back up throughout his career as many have pointed out since Day 1. This move would likely require drafting a RB NLT than Round 3 to get a good one.

[URL]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/4/15/4225978/steelers-isaac-redman-tender-offer-salary-cap[/URL]

Pretty stupid on Redman's part not to have already signed the offer. He must have the same agent as James Harrison.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Not a bad idea if it helps them get a healthy Bradshaw. Redman will be nothing more than a back up throughout his career as many have pointed out since Day 1. This move would likely require drafting a RB NLT than Round 3 to get a good one.

[URL]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/4/15/4225978/steelers-isaac-redman-tender-offer-salary-cap[/URL]

Pretty stupid on Redman's part not to have already signed the offer. He must have the same agent as James Harrison.

I think that would be the wise thing to do if they want to sign Bradshaw. Redman got ZERO interest and like I have been saying, he is going to be 29...We have seen who he is. He should have knocked Dwyer out of the door to sign his tender but he didn't. Pull his tender, sign Bradshaw, and draft another. Redman will be on the street IF they want/need him and he might have to come back for vet min which is less.

[feltdizz]

hmm... I'm getting the feeling some of our players aren't happy with the FO moves lately. I wonder if the BA firing had a bigger impact than we expected... you go from an OC everyone BUT the fans loved to a guy that maybe no one BUT the FO loves.

[Oviedo]

hmm... I'm getting the feeling some of our players aren't happy with the FO moves lately. I wonder if the BA firing had a bigger impact than we expected... you go from an OC everyone BUT the fans loved to a guy that maybe no one BUT the FO loves.

Or you go to an Off Coord who isn't your buddy and lets you know that you need to perform to a higher standard than you have been and he isn't going to kiss your backside. We all believe that the offense underachieved under Arians and I'm sure the pressure in on from haley.

I don't see Haley letting the players sit in a comfoort zone and there are mariginal player like Redman I'm sure he let know that they were replaceable. Sometimes in life the teacher you hated the most in school is the one who prepared you best for life and success.

[phillyesq]

Most of these guys do not sign their tenders until the restricted free agency period ends. Dwyer signing early was the exception, not the rule. I also believe that these tenders are not guaranteed, so there is really no reason for a player to sign a non-guaranteed tender early that forecloses seeking employment elsewhere on more favorable terms.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Most of these guys do not sign their tenders until the restricted free agency period ends. Dwyer signing early was the exception, not the rule. I also believe that these tenders are not guaranteed, so there is really no reason for a player to sign a non-guaranteed tender early that forecloses seeking employment elsewhere on more favorable terms.

Once a team submits a RFA tender it is held against the teams rule 51 even if unsigned. It becomes guranteed once signed and the team can not pull the tender. If the Steelers want to maintain rights..His 1.3 mil counts aginst the cap. With the current Steelers RB situation and Redman, Dwyer, & Mendy playing below the line in 2012...It would have been wise on his part to sign early and show commitment. The Steelers showed some by even offering that to him. If he thought he could use leverage against the Steelers by getting an offer somewhere else...He was mistaken.

[Shoe]

I actually would show someone like Redman (backup caliber player who adds something to the overall character of a team--e.g. Frank Pollard, Jerry Olsavsky), but he proverbially crapped the bed this year. He showed no urgency, limited ability (in a leading role), and sporadic toughness.

Whereas I would be mad if we let go a player like this, I'm FINE with letting Redman go now if the FO so chooses. (I think I feel burned by him, bragging to all my non-Steeler friends about him before last season!)

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I'd have no problem with his tender being yanked. I don't think that his production as a backup would be difficult to replace.

[phillyesq]

Once a team submits a RFA tender it is held against the teams rule 51 even if unsigned. It becomes guranteed once signed and the team can not pull the tender. If the Steelers want to maintain rights..His 1.3 mil counts aginst the cap. With the current Steelers RB situation and Redman, Dwyer, & Mendy playing below the line in 2012...It would have been wise on his part to sign early and show commitment. The Steelers showed some by even offering that to him. If he thought he could use leverage against the Steelers by getting an offer somewhere else...He was mistaken.

Does it become guaranteed? It was my understanding that the Steelers could cut Redman or Dwyer in camp and that their salary would not be guaranteed. Is that incorrect?

[steelblood]

I actually would show someone like Redman (backup caliber player who adds something to the overall character of a team--e.g. Frank Pollard, Jerry Olsavsky), but he proverbially crapped the bed this year. He showed no urgency, limited ability (in a leading role), and sporadic toughness.

Whereas I would be mad if we let go a player like this, I'm FINE with letting Redman go now if the FO so chooses. (I think I feel burned by him, bragging to all my non-Steeler friends about him before last season!)

Huh? sporadic toughness? crapped the bed?

Redman is not uber talented, but questioning his toughness is plain insanity.

Go back and watch the Giants game. He played hurt and ran like a man possessed all game long. He was injured through most of last season. It happens.

[feltdizz]

Or you go to an Off Coord who isn't your buddy and lets you know that you need to perform to a higher standard than you have been and he isn't going to kiss your backside. We all believe that the offense underachieved under Arians and I'm sure the pressure in on from haley.

I don't see Haley letting the players sit in a comfoort zone and there are mariginal player like Redman I'm sure he let know that they were replaceable. Sometimes in life the teacher you hated the most in school is the one who prepared you best for life and success.

that's bullchit... you say that now but if players keep leaving and production keeps suffering under Haley I think you will change your tune. Whether you want to admit it or not an OC needs to win players over.

This isn't a movie... Haley needs to show me he can win players over talented players.

[feltdizz]

Huh? sporadic toughness? crapped the bed?

Redman is not uber talented, but questioning his toughness is plain insanity.

Go back and watch the Giants game. He played hurt and ran like a man possessed all game long. He was injured through most of last season. It happens.

questioning Redman is crazy talk... he is what he is... I wanted him to be more but he is a chain mover. Nothing more...

anyone who thought he would be a top 10 RB (that includes me, LOL) needs to blame themselves, not Redman. For the record..I expected him to put up some 100 yard games.. I didn't expect him to be Peterson or Frank Gore.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Does it become guaranteed? It was my understanding that the Steelers could cut Redman or Dwyer in camp and that their salary would not be guaranteed. Is that incorrect?

Perhaps someone could clarify. My understanding is if a tender is signed...It is guranteed. Obviously once signed it can not be withdrawn. If a tender is unsigned...It still counts under rule 51 unless withdrawn. If withdrawn, he becomes an URFA. If he doesn't sign it in the next week or so, he can only sign with the Steelers to play in the 2013 league year. Come June 1st, there are different things that could happen if the tender remains unsigned where the Steelers could withdraw and offer another number while retaining his rights. To answer your question, I do believe any RFA tender including right of first refusal is guranteed in that league year once signed.

[phillyesq]

Perhaps someone could clarify. My understanding is if a tender is signed...It is guranteed. Obviously once signed it can not be withdrawn. If a tender is unsigned...It still counts under rule 51 unless withdrawn. If withdrawn, he becomes an URFA. If he doesn't sign it in the next week or so, he can only sign with the Steelers to play in the 2013 league year. Come June 1st, there are different things that could happen if the tender remains unsigned where the Steelers could withdraw and offer another number while retaining his rights. To answer your question, I do believe any RFA tender including right of first refusal is guranteed in that league year once signed.

If anybody has the time and desire to see if the CBA clarifies this, have at it!!

[URL]http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/General/2011_Final_CBA_Searchable_Bookmarked.pdf[/URL]

[Chadman]

With the Steelers cap so strapped, and with key players moving on, Chadman can't see the benefit in having 2 RB's that essentially perform the same task on gameday on the roster, at the same cost against the cap.

They have Dwyer, who is a tough, between the tackles, RB. Why get Redman, who is the same type of RB?