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flippy
04-15-2013, 12:13 PM
So we know the Steelers seem to be cleaning out many of the "problem" players from Wally to Mendy to Keenan, etc. Whatever rumor you want to believe about those guys, so be it.

Curious if anyone thinks we cut James salary on purpose knowing he wouldn't accept the deal because the team viewed him as a "problem". That way, the Steelers appease Goodell and get back in the good graces of the NFL by cutting ties, yet keep the fans and coaches happy by shopping this to the media as a financial move.

Is James really helping out the Steelers making comments like he wouldn't pee out the commish if he were on fire? Is it really the Steelers way to just keep hitting guys how you want to hit them without remorse?

It's clear for all of us to see, he was our best defender the second half of last season while he was getting healthy. So long as there's no health issue we don't know about, there's no reason he couldn't be back to being DMVP next year. Yet we cut him. WTF? There's gotta be more to it.

This feels like some backdoor agreement between the Steelers and the league. But why? Hopefully it'll help us get #7 at least. Maybe we'll start to get better officiating?

Mister Pittsburgh
04-15-2013, 12:26 PM
I don't believe there is anything to this beyond the surface. The Steelers told one guy he had to take a pay cut to stick around while two other older players, Troy and Ike, got to keep their money. Harrison and probably his agent thought he could do better than 4 million a year. Apparently nobody wanted him but before he could come and say he would take the 4 they were offering him the Steelers showed their thin skin and told him they don't want him back. Now he is seeking a job. No more to it than that.

Antonio Brown spoke the truth when he said the Steelers don't like it if you don't do what they want you to do. The only reason we brought Sanders back, even though he did pretty much the same exact thing Harrison did was because Ben made some calls and they didn't want to lose a 2nd WR to free agency.

flippy
04-15-2013, 12:29 PM
Maybe no one was interested in him for the same reasons? Is he being black balled by the NFL. Cincy of course never cares about this sort of thing.

Eich
04-15-2013, 12:34 PM
It's clear for all of us to see, he was our best defender the second half of last season while he was getting healthy. So long as there's no health issue we don't know about, there's no reason he couldn't be back to being DMVP next year. Yet we cut him. WTF? There's gotta be more to it.


There's the problem with your theory Flippy. We didn't cut him. We offered him more money than anyone else has so far. Harrison has been great in the PAST and he was coming on late last year. But he's up there in years and has been injury prone lately. Tough to throw a lot of money there.

I agree that there's nothing more to the story than what's on the surface. We made him a reasonable offer and Harrison and/or his agent thought the Steelers were bluffing or that he could get signficantly more elsewhere.

Jooser
04-15-2013, 12:51 PM
Well, Goodell did put Tomlin on the Competition Committee this year....

flippy
04-15-2013, 12:51 PM
There's the problem with your theory Flippy. We didn't cut him. We offered him more money than anyone else has so far. Harrison has been great in the PAST and he was coming on late last year. But he's up there in years and has been injury prone lately. Tough to throw a lot of money there.

I agree that there's nothing more to the story than what's on the surface. We made him a reasonable offer and Harrison and/or his agent thought the Steelers were bluffing or that he could get signficantly more elsewhere.

Troy has been hurt even more and didn't have to take a pay cut. Ivan broke his leg and his game is built on speed so we know he's hurt coming into the season. And Ivan didn't have to take a pay cut. And he had a proven guy behind him.

Troy and Ivan are choirboys on the Steelers. And they are 2 and 3 years younger.

And I think you could make the case that leg injuries for your SS and #1 CB are just as bad as a back injury for your OLB even at their respective ages.

flippy
04-15-2013, 12:52 PM
Well, Goodell did put Tomlin on the Competition Committee this year....

QED...well played Joos

Mister Pittsburgh
04-15-2013, 12:54 PM
All I can say out of any of this is I will not be shocked when Harrison puts up 14 sacks this year while Worilds and Woodley struggle through injuries/fatness, etc.

flippy
04-15-2013, 01:12 PM
while Worilds and Woodley struggle through injuries/fatness, etc.

This part just cracked me up :)

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-15-2013, 01:13 PM
Maybe someone can fill me in because I had to miss something. Bengals play a 4-3. Where they projecting Harrison? He is playing like a SAM backer at this point in his career...But If he is going to play 4-3 LB I don't think he gets double digit sacks. I don't know how they would see him as a 4-3 DE. Perhaps the Bengals are just using Harrison to get Dansby's number down. 4 years younger & much better suited to be a 4-3 OLB but I heard his number is alot higher. Be interesting to see how this plays out and where he does play.

RuthlessBurgher
04-15-2013, 02:00 PM
Regardless of where he plays, I don't look forward to Marcus Gilbert or Mike Adams trying to block an angry James Harrison in 2 games this year. Didn't James absolutely crush Ben once upon a time during Ben's first season at Miami (OH), which also happened to be James' last season at Kent State?

RKSteel
04-15-2013, 02:19 PM
Regardless of where he plays, I don't look forward to Marcus Gilbert or Mike Adams trying to block an angry James Harrison in 2 games this year. Didn't James absolutely crush Ben once upon a time during Ben's first season at Miami (OH), which also happened to be James' last season at Kent State?
Nothing to worry about. As my daughter pointed out, the Steelers OL should benefit now from the "holding" calls against JH that are never called by the officals.

fordfixer
04-15-2013, 02:35 PM
Nothing to worry about. As my daughter pointed out, the Steelers OL should benefit now from the "holding" calls against JH that are never called by the officals.
Thank your daughter for giving us all a good prospective:tt2

flippy
04-15-2013, 02:37 PM
Thank your daughter for giving us all a good prospective:tt2

I have a feeling our guys will get called for holding him. :)

SidSmythe
04-15-2013, 02:40 PM
If the Steelers were confident that HARRISON would get 15 sacks this season, I really doubt they'd give two poops what Goodell thought

Oviedo
04-16-2013, 06:13 AM
All I can say out of any of this is I will not be shocked when Harrison puts up 14 sacks this year while Worilds and Woodley struggle through injuries/fatness, etc.

Mr. P. You do realize that the Bumgals play a 4-3 defense not a 3-4 don't you? As a OLB in thier defense Harrison will be rushing the QB far less than he ever did in Pittsbught because his primary responsibilities will be playing the run and dropping into coverage. Highly, highly unlikely he gets the number of sacks you predict. As a matter of fact, save this post because I predict that Worilds will have more sacks than Harrison in 2013.

That is why his signing with the Bumgals makes no sense except to stick it to the Steelers by playing for a Division foe.

Bluto
04-16-2013, 07:53 AM
Mr. P. You do realize that the Bumgals play a 4-3 defense not a 3-4 don't you? As a OLB in thier defense Harrison will be rushing the QB far less than he ever did in Pittsbught because his primary responsibilities will be playing the run and dropping into coverage. Highly, highly unlikely he gets the number of sacks you predict. As a matter of fact, save this post because I predict that Worilds will have more sacks than Harrison in 2013.

That is why his signing with the Bumgals makes no sense except to stick it to the Steelers by playing for a Division foe.

I agree 100 percent. This move makes no sense for the bengals. Anytime in the pro bowl Harrison just looks out of sorts and ineffective in the 4-3 Def. And I know no oone plays def in probowl but. He is not able to use his leverage nearly as much as he always did coming off the edge. Not a good fit. Now the fact that he is willing to go play a 4-3 tells me how much little interest there is for him.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-16-2013, 08:26 AM
Mr. P. You do realize that the Bumgals play a 4-3 defense not a 3-4 don't you? As a OLB in thier defense Harrison will be rushing the QB far less than he ever did in Pittsbught because his primary responsibilities will be playing the run and dropping into coverage. Highly, highly unlikely he gets the number of sacks you predict. As a matter of fact, save this post because I predict that Worilds will have more sacks than Harrison in 2013.

That is why his signing with the Bumgals makes no sense except to stick it to the Steelers by playing for a Division foe.


Maybe someone can fill me in because I had to miss something. Bengals play a 4-3. Where they projecting Harrison? He is playing like a SAM backer at this point in his career...But If he is going to play 4-3 LB I don't think he gets double digit sacks. I don't know how they would see him as a 4-3 DE. Perhaps the Bengals are just using Harrison to get Dansby's number down. 4 years younger & much better suited to be a 4-3 OLB but I heard his number is alot higher. Be interesting to see how this plays out and where he does play.

Thanks O. I don't think we both would have missed something. I didn't think the Bengals were switching to a 3-4.

Eich
04-16-2013, 08:29 AM
I have a feeling our guys will get called for holding him. :)

This is kind've like the unstoppable force against the immovable object! A line that always gets flagged for holding against a linebacker that never gets the holding calls. The official's heads will explode !!

Oviedo
04-16-2013, 09:01 AM
Thanks O. I don't think we both would have missed something. I didn't think the Bengals were switching to a 3-4.

Sorry to rrepeat your post. Didn't see it and the Bumgals aren't switching. Harrison will be a square peg getting put into a a round hole. Thirty other teams got it right. Because he signs with the Bumgals doesn't mean those other thirty teams are wrong regardless of what the man love emotion leads many to believe.

BTW, your Plan B draft is a good one.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-16-2013, 10:07 AM
Sorry to rrepeat your post. Didn't see it and the Bumgals aren't switching. Harrison will be a square peg getting put into a a round hole. Thirty other teams got it right. Because he signs with the Bumgals doesn't mean those other thirty teams are wrong regardless of what the man love emotion leads many to believe.BTW, your Plan B draft is a good one.
No need to appologize....I thought you were just reiterating what some posters were saying & I was one. It didn't make sense because of the 4-3 but if the Bengals are the only team willing to give Harrison a contract...I guess he will take it. Harrison will give them "info" that may or may not be helpful in game plans. He may have a great game left in him that he will save for the Steelers. He didn't scare any team the Steelers played last year & I don't feel threatened as a fan going up against him.

He was a favorite of mine and I don't blame him for wanting to play again but the Steelers got it right if he didn't want to take a pay cut. Steelers stay true to their "Business First" and some fans will let their hearts speak. In a perfect "Steeler" world Harrison retires a Steeler. In reality, Harrison will put on different colors to stay on the "grid" for another year or two and do nothing to better or hurt his career. I'm looking forward to the day when both put their pride aside and he comes back & retires as a Steeler where he belongs. He deserves to have the Steeler Nation send him off.

Sugar
04-16-2013, 11:10 AM
I really thought NO would have been a better fit for him as it was my understanding that they are moving to a 3/4 and could have used a vet like him to help them get established. Of course, that also would have meant that he was kept far away from the AFCN and could spend his time terrorizing the likes of Matt Ryan. Either way, I don't see any conspiracy here. Just a proud guy who thinks he has more to give than apparently everyone else does. I've seen it in the ring a lot. Of course, Evander Holyfield and Bernard Hopkins whipped on a lot of guys who thought he was too old to compete for a long time.

thor75
04-16-2013, 12:02 PM
Cincy's Carlos Dunlap said that Harrison "hates the Steelers now, and that's somebody we need on our side of the football." I wonder if this is true.