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steeler_george
04-12-2013, 09:35 AM
I loved Sanders in his rookie season, and even last year., he seemed to know how to get open and where to be on the field to keep the chains moving. However, after 3 short years his time is up in the burgh not due to his skill set but of cap numbers.


I am hoping we trade back in the draft and get more picks... maybe end up with 3 2nd rounds and 2 3rd rounders... there is a lot of talent in those rounds (wr, te, rb, lb,s) who can contribute this year and the future.

Big Ern McCracken
04-12-2013, 04:48 PM
I like the idea of trading back in the draft to get more pics..because we have so many areas of need. Also agree with your thoughts on Sanders.

NW Steeler
04-12-2013, 05:26 PM
How do we end up with 3 2nd round picks?

SteelerOfDeVille
04-12-2013, 05:27 PM
How do we end up with 3 2nd round picks?

i believe he's saying give up the first, for 2 seconds... and not have a first... those 2 along with the one we have, would be 3...

NW Steeler
04-12-2013, 05:47 PM
Yeah, I can see how we give up a first for someone else's 2nd, but not 2 2nd's.

SteelerOfDeVille
04-12-2013, 06:05 PM
Yeah, I can see how we give up a first for someone else's 2nd, but not 2 2nd's.

you need a partner with 2 2nds... (Bengals or Dolphins, for example)

Big Ern McCracken
04-12-2013, 06:22 PM
Dolphins seem like a likely team to try to jump up to 1.17... That would be sweet to get two additional seconds..

NW Steeler
04-12-2013, 07:07 PM
Is our 1st worth 2 2nd's in the "points" system?

steelz09
04-12-2013, 07:08 PM
Dolphins seem like a likely team to try to jump up to 1.17... That would be sweet to get two additional seconds..

If Sanders isn't signed and we get a 3rd and we trade down and pick up 2 2nd rounders then I think we have an opportunity to really improve this team. We need draft picks and we need to hit on those picks especially at ILB, Safety, WR and RB.

Eddie Spaghetti
04-12-2013, 07:20 PM
I think when I looked at it, the dolphins would have to add a 4th or 5th in addition to the two 2nds to make the math work.

I seriously doubt they would make that deal.

Steelerphile
04-12-2013, 07:41 PM
Anybody who is banking on the Steelers hitting on a lot of draft picks and thinking that will be the answer, I think is dreaming. Go back through the drafts and ask yourself how many draft picks usually turn out well in any given draft. Three or Four is a lot. Out of that, the number that will become valuable starting players is lower. That is why I think people who love the idea of getting draft picks for Sanders are deceiving themselves.

Captain Crunch
04-12-2013, 07:52 PM
Anybody who is banking on the Steelers hitting on a lot of draft picks and thinking that will be the answer, I think is dreaming. Go back through the drafts and ask yourself how many draft picks usually turn out well in any given draft. Three or Four is a lot. Out of that, the number that will become valuable starting players is lower. That is why I think people who love the idea of getting draft picks for Sanders are deceiving themselves.

Or on the other side of the coin you could end up like Bill Walsh and the 49ers did in the '86 draft. They did their homework and built a powerhouse... Colbert and Tomlin could do the same... This draft is deep after the 1st round...

Big Ern McCracken
04-12-2013, 08:02 PM
I hope your right Crunch. We sure aren't carrying much in the way of momentum...heading into the draft though... Wouldn't surprise me that much either way.

BradshawsHairdresser
04-12-2013, 08:03 PM
I am hoping we trade back in the draft and get more picks... maybe end up with 3 2nd rounds and 2 3rd rounders...

With this team's recent track record with second-round picks? Ehh...I'd keep the first-rounder.

hawaiiansteel
04-12-2013, 08:08 PM
Ben Roethlisberger reportedly lobbying Steelers' Sanders

By Kareem Copeland
Around the League Writer
Published: April 12, 2013

Ben Roethlisberger has every right to be nervous.

It wasn't long ago that Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders were calling themselves the "Young Money Crew." Now they're getting money from other teams.

Wallace took five years and $60 million from the Miami Dolphins and Sanders has signed a one-year, $2.5 million offer sheet from the New England Patriots. The Steelers have until Sunday to match the offer or take a third-round pick from the Patriots.

Big Ben has lobbied coach Mike Tomlin and others within the organization to keep Sanders in black and gold, CBS Sports Jason La Canfora reported. Wallace and Sanders combined for 108 catches and 1,462 yards and nine touchdowns last season. Sanders had career-highs in receptions and yards in 2012 and just turned 26 years old.

La Canforna added that the final decision will likely be made by ownership. Roethlisberger might want to take the Rooneys to dinner Saturday night becuase he's quickly running out of weapons.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000159483/article/report-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethisberger-lobbying-for-emmanuel-sanders

Big Ern McCracken
04-12-2013, 08:09 PM
We've got more gaps to fill this year as opposed to last... or the last several for that matter. If the draft is deep in a few positions this year...trading down might be worth the risk, simply because of the lack of depth at multiple positions.

Sugar
04-12-2013, 09:24 PM
If Ben is lobbying to keep him, he's as good as gone.

Shoe
04-12-2013, 10:30 PM
Anybody who is banking on the Steelers hitting on a lot of draft picks and thinking that will be the answer, I think is dreaming. Go back through the drafts and ask yourself how many draft picks usually turn out well in any given draft. Three or Four is a lot. Out of that, the number that will become valuable starting players is lower. That is why I think people who love the idea of getting draft picks for Sanders are deceiving themselves.

Exactly. This may be a surprise to a lot of people, but "everybody" wants to trade down. Especially at that point. Anyone in the 10-32 range will be happy to have a trade partner who would give them multiple premium picks (i.e. 1st-3rd) in return.

Don't count on it happening.

Chadman
04-13-2013, 01:06 AM
If Sanders is gone, the Steelers will have 9 draft picks. That should be more than adequate, without having to forgo selecting a Top 20 player in order to generate more picks. 4 picks inside the first 3 rounds- should result in at least 3 of those guys becoming contributors to this team. While there are depth holes, not every position needs to be filled by 2013 rookies. There are other guys on the roster already who should be relied on to step up as well. Guys like Worilds, Cortez Allen, Mike Adams, Cam Heyward.

thor75
04-13-2013, 02:01 PM
Exactly. This may be a surprise to a lot of people, but "everybody" wants to trade down. Especially at that point. Anyone in the 10-32 range will be happy to have a trade partner who would give them multiple premium picks (i.e. 1st-3rd) in return.

Don't count on it happening.

Reports out of Atlanta say they are looking to trade up from their #30 pick to get one of the highly touted CBs. Their GM is willing to wheel and deal as evidenced by the Julio Jones trade up. Could be a candidate if they want to go to #17.

pittpete
04-13-2013, 03:28 PM
Steve Breaston is 3 years older than Sanders and could be had for half the $$$$$ this year.
He's also played in Haleys system before and has been productive.
Lets also not forget Sanders 3 fumbles last year/2 lost.
Also heard on Sirius yesterday that Sanders was responsible for running some of the wrong routes last year which led to some turnovers as well.

Jooser
04-13-2013, 03:32 PM
Reports out of Atlanta say they are looking to trade up from their #30 pick to get one of the highly touted CBs. Their GM is willing to wheel and deal as evidenced by the Julio Jones trade up. Could be a candidate if they want to go to #17.

He could have our 1.17 for Julio Jones. :D

SteelerOfDeVille
04-13-2013, 11:33 PM
Is our 1st worth 2 2nd's in the "points" system?

you can always make that happen... might require us to throw in a 4th or 5th, but, should be do-able... just depends on how desperate the team trying to get into the first is...

flippy
04-13-2013, 11:41 PM
Reports out of Atlanta say they are looking to trade up from their #30 pick to get one of the highly touted CBs. Their GM is willing to wheel and deal as evidenced by the Julio Jones trade up. Could be a candidate if they want to go to #17.

This is the draft to go down. I don't think the choices at 17 are that much better than 30.

SteelerOfDeVille
04-14-2013, 12:50 AM
Reports out of Atlanta say they are looking to trade up from their #30 pick to get one of the highly touted CBs. Their GM is willing to wheel and deal as evidenced by the Julio Jones trade up. Could be a candidate if they want to go to #17.

wow, to move from 30 to 17, they'd also owe the Steelers a 2nd and a 4th. Steep price for them if they want it...

Also, I believe there a limit on how many draft picks a team can have in a single draft (i think 10)... But, i think that's only pre-draft - you can come away with more via trades DURING the draft... anybody know for for sure?

To come out with a first, two 2nds and two 3rds (one from NE) and two 4ths could be an incredible selection of talent.

1.17 = 950
1.30+2.30+4.30 => 620+284+46 = 950

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

if that limit of 10 exists during draft, it might mean taking a 3rd next year instead of a 4th this year - which isn't a terrible idea, either...

SteelerOfDeVille
04-14-2013, 12:56 AM
wow.. that would be f'ing fun to mock... anybody...?

1.30 -
2.17 -
2.30 -
3.17 -
3.29 -
4.17 -
4.30 -
5.17 -
6.17 -
6.38 -
7.17 -

SteelerOfDeVille
04-14-2013, 03:40 AM
I'll take a stab at it...
1.30 - Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
2.17 - Johnathan Jenkins, NT, UGa
2.30 - Terrence Williams, WR, Baylor
3.17 - Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
3.29 - Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse
4.17 - Aaron Dobson, WR, Marhsal
l4.30 - Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
5.17 - Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State
6.17 - Omoregie Uzzi, G, Georgia Tech
6.38 - Earl Wartford, G, James Madison
7.17 - Miguel Maysonet, RB, Stony Brook