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supersteeler
03-12-2013, 09:29 PM
From what I understand they wanted a 30% pay cut from his 6.75 million he was to make. Even with that cut he still would be around 4.7 mill a year.
I don't know if he would get much more than the Steelers offered as a FA.

Snatch98
03-12-2013, 09:34 PM
From what I understand they wanted a 30% pay cut from his 6.75 million he was to make. Even with that cut he still would be around 4.7 mill a year.
I don't know if he would get much more than the Steelers offered as a FA.

I think he did but i guess we'll find out. Don't be shocked to see him come back and take that deal if it's still on the table. I don't see him signing with the damn Ravens or the Browns for that matter. He's gotta hate both teams, especially the Ravens and the Steelers didn't do wrong by him so it's not like he's going to be "angry" like someone people like to profess.

Eddie Spaghetti
03-12-2013, 09:37 PM
I doubt the deal is still on the table.

seems like that money has been spent.

Sugar
03-12-2013, 09:38 PM
We'll see. I've heard that New Orleans might be interested in him. Honestly, I understand the Steelers situation from a cap perspective. However, James didn't come in as a high-paid rookie draft pick. He didn't make bank early on like some guys do. But there's also something about respect. He is a proud man who worked even harder than most to make it in this league. While the Steelers had to do what they had to do, if I'm him I would probably never consider playing for them again.

Snatch98
03-12-2013, 09:39 PM
I doubt the deal is still on the table.

seems like that money has been spent.

On whom? They aren't breaking the bank with any of the players they've taken under contract so far.

supersteeler
03-12-2013, 09:41 PM
I think he did but i guess we'll find out. Don't be shocked to see him come back and take that deal if it's still on the table. I don't see him signing with the damn Ravens or the Browns for that matter. He's gotta hate both teams, especially the Ravens and the Steelers didn't do wrong by him so it's not like he's going to be "angry" like someone people like to profess.

I wouldn't be shocked, my concern is, would that original offer still be on the table?

Eddie Spaghetti
03-12-2013, 09:45 PM
On whom? They aren't breaking the bank with any of the players they've taken under contract so far.

foote, plax, foster, johnson. They might not have broken the bank , but collectively those dollars do add up.

they didn't have much to begin with and they have even less now. What makes you believe they would offer the same money?

Snatch98
03-12-2013, 09:52 PM
foote, plax, foster, johnson. They might not have broken the bank , but collectively those dollars do add up.

they didn't have much to begin with and they have even less now. What makes you believe they would offer the same money?

Well they probably wouldn't but a similar deal with incentives attached is possible. As far as the contracts adding up I doubt they add up to much. I guess we'll find out.

Eddie Spaghetti
03-12-2013, 10:03 PM
I think foster will count about 1.5 and steelz09 says foote will cost 2.5 for the first year. Even if plax and johnson signed for the vet minimum, there's another 2.

that's 6 million less than when james walked away from the table. Not exactly chump change. Not saying my numbers are entirely accurate, just speculating.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-12-2013, 10:49 PM
nope... somebody will pay him at least $5 mil per year... I say he signs 4 years, $25 million somewhere...

Eddie Spaghetti
03-12-2013, 11:23 PM
nope... somebody will pay him at least $5 mil per year... I say he signs 4 years, $25 million somewhere...

I will be shocked if he gets that kind of offer.

papillon
03-12-2013, 11:28 PM
I will be shocked if he gets that kind of offer.

I have to agree with this. My guess is that he's going to have to sign a one or two year deal with a low base salary and incentives. I also believe that whoever signs him is going to get as really good football player for two years.

Pappy

ter1230_4
03-12-2013, 11:28 PM
nope... somebody will pay him at least $5 mil per year... I say he signs 4 years, $25 million somewhere...

I don't think the Steelers were willing to pay Harrison even $4.7 million, and i still think he made a mistake by not cutting a deal. No way he gets 4 years, $25 milllion. He's 35 years old, has been injured a good portion of the past two seasons, his production has been down, and he is the poster boy for Goodell's war-on-football-as-we-used-to-know-it. He''ll be lucky to get 2 years for $8 million.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-12-2013, 11:36 PM
I have to agree with this. My guess is that he's going to have to sign a one or two year deal with a low base salary and incentives. I also believe that whoever signs him is going to get as really good football player for two years.

Pappy
I think whoever gets him will expect 2-3 good years, but, will sign him for a longer term (3-4), knowing that can cut him a couple of years down the line if they need to... I say he'll have a 2015 roster bonus that he'll never see... either way, my gut says it'll average $5 mil per or higher...

JDSteeler
03-13-2013, 12:09 AM
nope... somebody will pay him at least $5 mil per year... I say he signs 4 years, $25 million somewhere...

$5 Million???

4yrs???

Are u insane??

1 yr deal...for vet minimum...

He better tuck-tail and return to the Steelers!!!

JD

NJ-STEELER
03-13-2013, 01:01 AM
he'll probably at least double that salary ina signing bonus

Ghost
03-13-2013, 08:09 AM
Some bad team with a lot of cap space (there's quite a few) is going to see Harrison as a guy who's "young" for his age, with something major to prove (recovered from injury and Steelers not keeping him), a TON of intensity and intimidation factor, and a Super Bowl winner and former Defensive player of the year. He's going to get some bank. You can never underestimate the stupidity/propensity to overpay of ownership in the NFL. Never.

Slapstick
03-13-2013, 08:11 AM
Some bad team with a lot of cap space (there's quite a few) is going to see Harrison as a guy who's "young" for his age, with something major to prove (recovered from injury and Steelers not keeping him), a TON of intensity and intimidation factor, and a Super Bowl winner and former Defensive player of the year. He's going to get some bank. You can never underestimate the stupidity/propensity to overpay of ownership in the NFL. Never.

If Harrison had not been effectively blackballed by Goodell, I would agree...

Sword
03-13-2013, 08:29 AM
He did make a mistake.... Even with a 30% pay cut he would be making crazy money and a high chance to get back to playoffs\Superbowl...
On the flip side if that was the first offer the Steelers should have changed that to 25% to counter given the 150% effort he puts in...
He is down to his last few years of being able to play.....

Sword

B&GinNC
03-13-2013, 08:32 AM
Yes. Next question?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-13-2013, 08:50 AM
I think Harrison is looking for a multi year deal...Don't know if he gets it. Remember, whatever someone signs him to will be guranteed if he is on the roster week 1.


As far as the cap, we are in Rule 51. Everytime someone signs, take that into consideration. The new contract (if larger than #51) will be put on and one removed. Right now, the #51 is in the $400k range. For example, David Johnson's deal is said to be a 1 year vet min. He will be in his 4th season so I believe his min is $715,000. His number would be added to the "51" and one removed. If the one removed is $480,000...The new cap will only be increased $235,000.

supersteeler
03-13-2013, 09:30 AM
I tend to believe Harrison took a risk by not signing a reasonable offer made by Steelers. From what I hear he could of made up some of the cut in incentives. He still would of had a good contract with that in mind so did his agent screw this up or did James take the gamble he could get more? Is the door closed now with this matter even if his agent called the Steelers to reconsider? I would think the money they saved this year eliminating his salary with the cap made it possible to sign their other players. Now they still need enough money to sign their draft picks, so any chance of this getting turned around doesn't look feasable with the framework of the cap.

I wished this would of turned out different and we kept him for at least another year. The Steelers have to rely on Jason Worlids to step up if there is no other recourse left to bring JH back, maybe with a contract year and a starting role he'll come through.
With this situation you would think OLB becomes a priority in the draft now, problem is who could come here as a rookie and compete with Worlids or even get playing time? Jarvis Jones?
Why is it so hard to land playing time as a rookie in this defense even if your a top prospect. If a Jarvis Jones type can get after the QB, stop the run and play pass coverage whats left for him to do?
Maybe if things stay as they are the Steelers may be forced to play their rookie OLB and live with mistakes he might make, or Worlids will play good enough we won't need immediate help.

If we are to weaken one area of the team like OLB we need to offset that by strength in another, but overall I feel the Steelers are doing the best they can under the circumstances to maintain a competitive team.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-13-2013, 09:39 AM
Some bad team with a lot of cap space (there's quite a few) is going to see Harrison as a guy who's "young" for his age, with something major to prove (recovered from injury and Steelers not keeping him), a TON of intensity and intimidation factor, and a Super Bowl winner and former Defensive player of the year. He's going to get some bank. You can never underestimate the stupidity/propensity to overpay of ownership in the NFL. Never.

EXACTLY what I'm thinking....

supersteeler
03-14-2013, 04:43 PM
Each day that passes in free agency the less Harrison will get, he took a major risk IMO. I would of loved For JH to remain here but I really question his decision and his agent for letting this happen.

This situation isn't the fault of the Steelers, .....Jimmy u Goofed up!

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
03-14-2013, 05:10 PM
I question the validity of the report stating that he was offered a 30% paycut. I have seen no confirmation of it and it seemed like it would be reasonable for a player who stated that he wanted to remain a Steeler.

Sugar
03-14-2013, 05:13 PM
I question the validity of the report stating that he was offered a 30% paycut. I have seen no confirmation of it and it seemed like it would be reasonable for a player who stated that he wanted to remain a Steeler.

Maybe remaining a Steeler didn't mean as much if he didn't get properly compensated. Deebo has had a number of injuries that he has had to overcome and he probably has two good years left. He might have a number in mind for him to have to deal with the pounding of NFL life for a couple years. IDK, but he obviously didn't find it reasonable and he's the guy that has to live with it.

Siggy00
03-14-2013, 05:15 PM
Watch when Wade gets him and they don't waste him in pass coverage.

Sugar
03-14-2013, 05:28 PM
Watch when Wade gets him and they don't waste him in pass coverage.

Getting Deebo and Lewis would be a coup for his new D.

Siggy00
03-14-2013, 05:34 PM
Wade's in Houston.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-14-2013, 05:39 PM
I question the validity of the report stating that he was offered a 30% paycut. I have seen no confirmation of it and it seemed like it would be reasonable for a player who stated that he wanted to remain a Steeler.
I've seen it in a couple of places... AND that he had the ability to earn back that $30% with incentives... that kind of detail isn't usually made up by reporters...

Siggy00
03-14-2013, 05:40 PM
I question the validity of the report stating that he was offered a 30% paycut. I have seen no confirmation of it and it seemed like it would be reasonable for a player who stated that he wanted to remain a Steeler.

The fact that JAMES HIMSELF hasn't publicly disputed the report? IMO tells me it's accurate.

He's never been one to keep quiet when he feels he's been wronged.

lloydroid
03-14-2013, 05:42 PM
I question the validity of the report stating that he was offered a 30% paycut. I have seen no confirmation of it and it seemed like it would be reasonable for a player who stated that he wanted to remain a Steeler.

Don't forget that the Steelers often lie for PR purposes. They know fans love JH and I could see them floating out the 30% rumor when there was really no truth to it. The Steelers constantly float out lies to swindle the fans into thinking they are aiming for certain personnel moves that were never true. I am not convinced they had any plans to keep JH at any price, unless some offer that they fully knew he would never accept, like vet min. The Steelers think they are very crafty with their propaganda. But they aren't as tricky as they think, other than to the Yinzers who blindly fall for all the spin.

hawaiiansteel
03-22-2013, 03:38 PM
by Ed Bouchette

James Harrison has drawn little interest on the free market. Why both he, and the #Steelers look bad in this deal:

It’s become clear that Harrison will not see anything near the $6.57 million he was to make in salary with the Steelers this year, but then the Steelers were unwilling to pay that either. What they were willing to pay is anyone’s guess at this point – there was one report they wanted Harrison to take a 30 percent paycut and Harrison refused.

Unless Harrison gets absolutely no offers elsewhere, he’s unlikely to return to the Steelers, even if their final offer was more than what he might make elsewhere.

It's called p-r-i-d-e.

So Harrison loses money, and the Steelers lose a player they needed.

http://sulia.com/channel/football/f/e5f3a898-1f07-4164-9202-d99ae6a57e80/

supersteeler
03-22-2013, 04:10 PM
I could be wrong but James might think Retiring is his best option at this time. I doubt he would come back and believe the Steelers moved on at this point

Siggy00
03-22-2013, 04:42 PM
The coaches want him back. If they can mend the fences with the FO he'll be back.