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phillyesq
02-19-2013, 05:57 PM
He reported on twitter that Foote is in talks with the Steelers. Apparently, on the radio this morning, Foote said his agent has been talking with the Steelers and that it's apparently a money issue at this point.

I would like to see Foote come back on a qualified veteran contract (900k or whatever the minimum is, and it counts less against the cap) to provide an option at ILB, but I wouldn't want to see him paid at the level he was this season.

Whether Spence or perhaps another young player, I think that Foote has value as a mentor.

lloydroid
02-19-2013, 06:15 PM
If he comes cheap, OK. But any contract with much of a signing bonus with more than 1 year I would pass on. He had a decent year, but he isn't the solution moving forward. But seeing how badly we are lacking leadership, that would be one reason to bring him back. He isn't Ray Lewis level leadership, but he is better than most of the players we have in that area.

pittpete
02-19-2013, 06:18 PM
How about a vet min contract with incentives?

Eddie Spaghetti
02-19-2013, 06:20 PM
if it takes teo off the board, I am all for it.

Oviedo
02-19-2013, 06:21 PM
"Money issue?" Really Larry? How many teams do you think will be knocking down the door to sign you. Didn't you learn your lesson once already going to Detroit? I really hope the FO isn't wasting more than about a minute dealing with any "demands" Laryy has. Should be as simple as here it is, yes or no! If no, then move on.

supersteeler
02-19-2013, 06:23 PM
I'm thinking he'll accept a lower salary than what he makes now but not the minimum. He has a little leverage in the fact we have no one to play now as it stands. Sylvester isn't the answer and Spence is a question mark for now.

Slapstick
02-19-2013, 06:27 PM
I'm thinking he'll accept a lower salary than what he makes now but not the minimum. He has a little leverage in the fact we have no one to play now as it stands. Sylvester isn't the answer and Spence is a question mark for now.

He has about the same leverage that Wallace had last year at this time...not much...

Eddie Spaghetti
02-19-2013, 06:29 PM
who said anything about foote "making demands"? Please point it out for me.

did you ever stop to think that until the coming restructures that the steelers themselves don't know what they can offer? Maybe that is the "money issue".

you guys are a trip.

NJ-STEELER
02-19-2013, 06:31 PM
good

it would stop the crazy thinking of taking (another) ILB with a 1st rd pick

Steelhere10
02-19-2013, 07:15 PM
DUMB is all I got to say, I hope we are looking at him for backup only. DL love the old players geez!

phillyesq
02-19-2013, 07:36 PM
"Money issue?" Really Larry? How many teams do you think will be knocking down the door to sign you. Didn't you learn your lesson once already going to Detroit? I really hope the FO isn't wasting more than about a minute dealing with any "demands" Laryy has. Should be as simple as here it is, yes or no! If no, then move on.

Ovi, I didn't take it as Foote making demands. It read more like there had been some talks, and he wasn't quite sure what was going on. The quote (which I didn't provide before) was "[the Steelers] and my agent have been talking back and forth. I guess it's a money thing right now."

That could mean anything. A cap issue, the agent is trying to get a better deal (as he should), etc. This wasn't Foote coming out and demanding a huge payday.

I agree, if he has crazy demands, they should let him test the market. I think Foote has value, but not much more than the vet minimum, if any.

supersteeler
02-19-2013, 07:42 PM
He has about the same leverage that Wallace had last year at this time...not much...



Today, 05:23 PMsupersteeler
I'm thinking he'll accept a lower salary than what he makes now but not the minimum. He has a little leverage in the fact we have no one to play now as it stands. Sylvester isn't the answer and Spence is a question mark for now.

I think if Spence could of played last season even in spot duty he would be prepared to play now. With that said, the Steelers don't have many options beside signing Foote.
He won't demand an amount they can't pay, so I think the two sides will work something out. He can groom next years starting LB whoever that may be. Out of all the players that could be gone he is the one most likely to stay. Stay tuned.

Shawn
02-19-2013, 09:26 PM
Larry will get paid more than he is worth. He isn't stupid, he knows the Steelers have no real options besides him.

NorthCoast
02-19-2013, 10:24 PM
Wow. You guys amaze me at how quickly you forget.

Do you realize Foote had more tackles than guys like Ray Lewis, Demeco Ryans, Lawrence Timmons, Sean Weatherspoon?

C[mon man. Foote isn't a superstar but he represented good value for his contributions, which is a LOT more than we can say about a few others on the defense.

AkronSteel
02-19-2013, 10:32 PM
I would expect a little more than the veteran minimum for Larry Foote as the team really has no choice but to lock him up for 2013. They cant know what they have in Spence and Sylvester will obviously never be more than a special teams contributor. I still think the team invests in an ILB early in the draft which would supply them with a ton of depth in the middle. Plus then they can take something other than ILB in round 1. Although I still think Minter would make the front 7 elite again, with ir without JH.

Chadman
02-20-2013, 12:59 AM
Wouldn't surprise Chadman if they are looking at a 2 year deal for Foote, with Spence not likely to be back to 100% this season, the Steelers might not know until the end of 2013, or beginning of 2014 if Spence can be counted on. A 2 year deal lets Foote come in, relatively cheap, and hold the spot for the year, then get played out of the starting spot in 2014 by either the healthy Spence, or if the Steelers give up on him, an early ILB draft pick- next year.

phillyesq
02-20-2013, 09:41 AM
Here is a link to the article:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-foote-bids-to-get-deal-for-2013-676112/

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-20-2013, 10:13 AM
Hmmm...Retaining Foote would tell me the Steelers haven't given up on Spence and an early round pick won't be a target for them.

Chadman
02-20-2013, 10:53 AM
Hmmm...Retaining Foote would tell me the Steelers haven't given up on Spence and an early round pick won't be a target for them.

That'd make 2 of us..

steelz09
02-20-2013, 12:34 PM
Hmmm...Retaining Foote would tell me the Steelers haven't given up on Spence and an early round pick won't be a target for them.

Really? They had Foote last year and Hightower was going to be the pick. I'm a Spence fan and I hope he becomes the starter but I don't think the Foote signing is any indication. If Foote is signed for anything over 1 year, it's a bad signing.

Slapstick
02-20-2013, 12:36 PM
Really? They had Foote last year and Hightower was going to be the pick. I'm a Spence fan and I hope he becomes the starter but I don't think the Foote signing is any indication. If Foote is signed for anything over 1 year, it's a bad signing.

Perhaps...but, IF Hightower had been the pick, they would not have selected Spence...

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
02-20-2013, 12:58 PM
The Steelers make moves like this so that they will not be forced into a corner. Is Foote the answer at ILB? Certainly not. But now the team will not be forced to reach for an ILB if the right one is not available in the draft a la Troy Edwards.

It would not be disastrous if we were forced to enter the season with Foote alongside Timmons for one more year.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-20-2013, 01:04 PM
Really? They had Foote last year and Hightower was going to be the pick. I'm a Spence fan and I hope he becomes the starter but I don't think the Foote signing is any indication. If Foote is signed for anything over 1 year, it's a bad signing.

Yes really. They had Foote last year signed to be the starter for 2012 with "Hopes" Hightower would be the starter for 2013. Foote was "Insurance". He was in the last year of a three year deal. The next guy in line had to be found. That didn't change the line of thinking with Spence. What did change was Spence got hurt. He may or may not be ready for the start of the season. He could very well start on the PUP.

Since a 3rd was spent on Spence...He is an investment. You bring back Foote again as "Insurance". A capable starter to bridge to Spence when healthy. You know what you have in Foote. If they decide to go this route instead of a bargain & younger FA like a Henderson...That is what they are thinking in my opinion. They may also tender Sylvester. The Steelers also loaded up on the inside with McFadden, Rolle, & Wilson. Looks like they are buying time with the change in their pocket. If Foote is signed...I believe they will not go into the draft with ILB high on their list of needs and may not address it until later. That could change on draft day if there is someone graded high falls in early rounds. JMO

pfelix73
02-20-2013, 01:11 PM
Don't get me wrong. I hope Spence has a huge career for the Steelers. I just don't realistically see it going this way. Chances are, he'll never pan out as an NFL LB and then when he got hurt, as bad as that injury was, that just puts him further behind the 8 ball...

I would not be counting on his services any time soon, if at all.... Signing Foote for a year or 2 makes sense. Then go out and draft Teo too. Now we're set at LB for years to come.....Well, ILB....

Will be interesting to see if this Mingo fellow would fall to us......

steelz09
02-20-2013, 01:31 PM
Yes really. They had Foote last year signed to be the starter for 2012 with "Hopes" Hightower would be the starter for 2013. Foote was "Insurance". He was in the last year of a three year deal. The next guy in line had to be found. That didn't change the line of thinking with Spence. What did change was Spence got hurt. He may or may not be ready for the start of the season. He could very well start on the PUP.

Since a 3rd was spent on Spence...He is an investment. You bring back Foote again as "Insurance". A capable starter to bridge to Spence when healthy. You know what you have in Foote. If they decide to go this route instead of a bargain & younger FA like a Henderson...That is what they are thinking in my opinion. They may also tender Sylvester. The Steelers also loaded up on the inside with McFadden, Rolle, & Wilson. Looks like they are buying time with the change in their pocket. If Foote is signed...I believe they will not go into the draft with ILB high on their list of needs and may not address it until later. That could change on draft day if there is someone graded high falls in early rounds. JMO

You are assuming that Spence is the future starter. I hope you are right but...

He sustained a brutal injury and we've never seen the guy play in a "real" game against "real" starters. Are the Steelers willing to roll the dice on Spence? We shall see.

Sugar
02-20-2013, 01:37 PM
You are assuming that Spence is the future starter. I hope you are right but...

He sustained a brutal injury and we've never seen the guy play in a "real" game against "real" starters. Are the Steelers willing to roll the dice on Spence? We shall see.

I do wonder what the team thinks of him at this point. Personally, I consider him lost to the NFL. He may have been a decent player, but that injury won't allow him to be a factor.

I'd love to be completely off base on this one...

supersteeler
02-20-2013, 01:43 PM
Foote is the Max Starks of the defense, they wanted to replace him sooner but just don't have a replacement. We don't even know if Spence will ever play football again but I wish him the best. Slyvester hasn't proved he could replace foote so in all likelyhood Foote will be playing opposite Timmons in 2013.

papillon
02-20-2013, 01:52 PM
The Steelers hate to have other teams be able to predict what they are going to do in the first three rounds of the draft. By signing a veteran ILB it opens more options for the Steelers at 1.17. They could look for Foote's replacement or they could pass and go in a different direction. Without having Foote onboard some predictability could have crept into the Steeler draft board.

On the other hand, being 14 million over the cap means Foote isn't getting a big salary for a year or two. I don't know how incentives work in contracts and when and if they count against the cap. But, a vet minimum (or slightly higher) incentive laden contract would be the way to go. Take this year's number of games, tackles, sacks, snaps, forced fumbles, etc and pay him a nice bonus if he can duplicate or better the 2012 season.

At least with incentives you will never feel like he's stealing your money. You told him what to do and he went and did it, so pay him for doing it, both sides are happy and satisfied.

Pappy

phillyesq
02-20-2013, 02:40 PM
The Steelers make moves like this so that they will not be forced into a corner. Is Foote the answer at ILB? Certainly not. But now the team will not be forced to reach for an ILB if the right one is not available in the draft a la Troy Edwards.

It would not be disastrous if we were forced to enter the season with Foote alongside Timmons for one more year.

I think you are right on the money. The Steelers generally try to have a viable option at every position heading into the draft so that they are not forced to reach for need.

With Spence a huge question mark given the injury, this is a smart move. If the Steelers think the BPA at 17 is an ILB, they could easily make the pick and let the rookie learn from Foote. But this gives them the freedom to draft a WR, RB, CB, S, OLB, etc. at 17 if they so choose...

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-20-2013, 03:35 PM
You are assuming that Spence is the future starter. I hope you are right but...

He sustained a brutal injury and we've never seen the guy play in a "real" game against "real" starters. Are the Steelers willing to roll the dice on Spence? We shall see.

That is my assumption and I believe the Steelers assume the same. He stood out in camp & preseason and I believe the Steelers know what they have.

Spence was healthy throughout his college career. Spence's injury was serious but I would be more concerned if he was a DB, RB, or WR. Lattimore had a more serious injury and he is on the road to full recovery and is expected to be drafted.

I think the decisions moving forward (Like signing Foote) will be based upon timetable on Spence's return. If Foote is signed, I feel ILB becomes less of a need early. Come draft day when the Steelers pick, if there is a significant drop off of grade in the early rounds for a player and he is an ILB I'm sure he will get consideration. For example, if Te'O or Ogletree fall out of the 1st and are sitting there in round 2....You were happy with their interviews....How can you not consider? I would pass on Te'O but I would find a way to get Ogletree on the field.

phillyesq
02-20-2013, 03:41 PM
That is my assumption and I believe the Steelers assume the same. He stood out in camp & preseason and I believe the Steelers know what they have.

Spence was healthy throughout his college career. Spence's injury was serious but I would be more concerned if he was a DB, RB, or WR. Lattimore had a more serious injury and he is on the road to full recovery and is expected to be drafted.

I think the decisions moving forward (Like signing Foote) will be based upon timetable on Spence's return. If Foote is signed, I feel ILB becomes less of a need early. Come draft day when the Steelers pick, if there is a significant drop off of grade in the early rounds for a player and he is an ILB I'm sure he will get consideration. For example, if Te'O or Ogletree fall out of the 1st and are stiing there in round 2....You were happy with there interviews....How can you not consider? I would pass on Te'O but I would find a way to get Ogletree on the field.

Even if Spence is fully healthy, bringing back Foote to provide insurance while he adjusts, and in case of any setback, seems prudent. From what I saw of Spence in the preseason, he looked good in coverage but had some problems with the run. He would seem to be a nice compliment to Foote, and breaking him in on the nickel D (as many had hoped last year) would give the Steelers more of an opportunity to evaluation what they have in Spence.

lloydroid
02-20-2013, 06:14 PM
Just to be real, don't read anything into any media about "so and so is in contract talks with team." It is often meaningless propaganda. They may or may not be in any real talks, or they could be going through the motions to make the fans feel they are on top of trying to make the team better, but often, "reports" of contract talks are just exaggerated. They will also do this with some free agents who they have no real intentions of signing. They don't want the fan base to feel like they are sitting on their hands so they play this little PR game. No biggie.