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supersteeler
02-16-2013, 03:13 PM
I'm not privy to any inside info on this matter, but I have a gut feeling a deal will be done to keep Lewis here for the next five years.
The Steelers invested a good deal of time developing Lewis to one of the best in the game, I doubt they would squander that investment by letting him walk and will offer him a reasonable contract.
He likes it here, and gets along well with Carnell Lake who had a pivitol role in the developement of Keenan. He knows the LeBeau defense and might feel more comfortable staying here even if its a little less money on the table.

With Keenan and Cortez we have a formidable set of young corners, getting a good safety in the draft could solidify our secondary and help our defense remain strong.
I may have to change my pre-draft selection@ #1, and I wouldn't mind at all if Keenan wears the Black & Gold for 2013.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-16-2013, 03:42 PM
Not sure what to think. William Gay now roams the secondary of the Cardinals.

SteelCrazy
02-16-2013, 04:34 PM
I think we have a good chance of keeping Ben Roethlisberger. Just a gut feeling, but I'd stake my reputation on it.

fordfixer
02-16-2013, 06:01 PM
I think we have a good chance of keeping Ben Roethlisberger. Just a gut feeling, but I'd stake my reputation on it.
Insider info?:-)

Chadman
02-16-2013, 08:25 PM
If Lewis isn't under contract by March 1, kiss his a$$ goodbye because he'll be in the Top 10 most wanted FA's.

Starting to think CB might be the #1 choice on Draft Day.

SteelCrazy
02-16-2013, 08:37 PM
We may be in big trouble trying to re-sign Lewis now. Watch this........


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000139692/Richard-Sherman-s-pick-for-best-cornerback?campaign=Twitter_videos_sherman

SteelCrazy
02-16-2013, 08:40 PM
We may be in big trouble trying to re-sign Lewis now.

Some thoughts about that video from steelblitz.com:

My initial thought was that he would of course be talking about himself as the best corner in the league and avoid the “besides Richard Sherman” piece. However, if they didn’t allow him to do that I would have guessed Darrell Revis after Sherman’s Bourbon Street antics during Super Bowl week where he asked multiple people who the best corner was between himself and Revis. That wasn’t quite how it broke down though.

Richard Sherman, a budding star at corner for the Seattle Seahawks, joined NFL Total Access yesterday on the NFL Network and one of the questions he answered was: Who is the best corner back in the league not named Richard Sherman? His answer of course started with Darrell Revis, but since Revis did not play last year he did not pick him.

“Well if Revis is playing than I would say that it’s him, but this year he didn’t get a chance to play.” Sherman said. “And so there were some pretty good performances; Tim Jennings (Chicago Bears) had a great year. But I think it would be out of probably Antonio Cromartie (New York Jets) and Keenan Lewis from Pittsburgh doesn’t get a lot of respect, but he is a heck of a corner. So I think it’s a close call between those guys and Charles Tillman (Chicago Bears). That’s the discussion.”

In essence Sherman just named Lewis as one of the top corners in the league, if not the top corner, behind Revis and himself. Now that is really high praise for a guy that wasn’t even the top corner on his own team (Lewis was second on the depth chart behind Ike Taylor in 2012). My initial reaction was: “Great he just priced Lewis way out of the Steelers range.”

Sherman’s comments could also help get Lewis’ name out there for those fans who weren’t aware of his talents before. Lewis is entering his first year of unrestricted free agency and if everyone in the NFL views him as Sherman does he will be getting paid very well this off-season.

The Steelers would like to keep Lewis around and build their secondary around him and Cortez Allen, but if another team views him as a top corner in the league the Steelers may get priced out of contention. Pittsburgh is currently in salary cap troubles and those issues will have to be fixed for them to offer Lewis the money that others may be willing to offer him.

It would be a shame for the Steelers to lose Lewis just as he is turning the corner in his NFL career. He struggled through his first two years in the league and finally started to show flashes in 2011, but in 2012 he solidified himself as a very good corner. Corner has been a valuable commodity recently in the NFL with the switch to a passing league so Lewis could be in for a big pay-day even if that means he leaves Pittsburgh.

http://steelblitz.com/the-steelers-may-struggle-to-re-sign-keenan-lewis/2656/2013/02/16

Chadman
02-16-2013, 09:10 PM
Strangely, Chadman isn't as worried about losing Lewis as he has been in the past. Cortez Allen looks good, and drafting at #17... Chadman hasn't been able to identify good 'value' in Round 1 until maybe now... the Steelers will be in position to draft one of the top 3-4 CB's in this draft class. In fact, only 1 CB is fully expected to be gone by #17 in Milliner from Alabama. It might be time to grab a CB that can do more than chase WR's around & might actually offer some take-away ability. Have him play #3 Cb this season, move on from Taylor next year & you have Rookie & Allen as the starting CB's for the next 6 years.

pittpete
02-16-2013, 09:18 PM
Serious question, who was the last free agent the Steelers really wanted to keep, that was signed by another team?
Carnell Lake?

phillyesq
02-16-2013, 10:55 PM
Serious question, who was the last free agent the Steelers really wanted to keep, that was signed by another team?
Carnell Lake?

It probably does go back to that era of guys like Lake, Leon Searcy and Chad Brown. Back in the 3 Rivers era when the Steelers didn't have the cash.

The Steelers have kept the guys they want to keep since they had the money; my concern is that now they will be unable to do so because of the cap.

But you do raise a good point.

BradshawsHairdresser
02-16-2013, 11:54 PM
I wish the Steelers could keep Lewis, but I'm not optimistic that will happen.

supersteeler
02-16-2013, 11:58 PM
Keenan stated he wasn't greedy, but the Steelers will have to come up with some Omar magic here. If they are in the ball park he could remain a Steeler if not then we lose another weapon on the team.
The Steelers may have to rethink how they got into this mess in the first place, you can't keep kicking the can down the road without consequenses.
We are there now and it's going to be painful to watch, I'll just hope for the best and look forward to the draft.

NorthCoast
02-17-2013, 09:45 AM
Keenan stated he wasn't greedy, but the Steelers will have to come up with some Omar magic here. If they are in the ball park he could remain a Steeler if not then we lose another weapon on the team.
The Steelers may have to rethink how they got into this mess in the first place, you can't keep kicking the can down the road without consequenses.
We are there now and it's going to be painful to watch, I'll just hope for the best and look forward to the draft.

There is a reason the Steelers were in the playoffs 6 out of the last 10 years. Keeping a core team of good vets was a big part of it.

Ask yourself the question; would you rather go through a down season or two every 10 yrs, or be in and out of playoffs on a regular basis while rookies and greenies learn their positions?

I vote the former.

JDSteeler
02-17-2013, 12:06 PM
The Steelers gave out huge $ to 56, 94, 43, and 84 etc...if they really want Lewis, they will pay him, they will find a way!!

JD

supersteeler
02-17-2013, 12:26 PM
There is a reason the Steelers were in the playoffs 6 out of the last 10 years. Keeping a core team of good vets was a big part of it.

Ask yourself the question; would you rather go through a down season or two every 10 yrs, or be in and out of playoffs on a regular basis while rookies and greenies learn their positions?

I vote the former.


North I'm with you and vote the former too, but this year is different than the past. We are projected to lose Wallace, Mendy,Harrison, Foster, Colon, Starks to name a few not counting other potencial players leaving. We had a losing season last year in Steeler Standards and could have more if our second and third year players don't step up.
Lewis is a priority if we sign any of our own, so if we lose him to another team plus the players mentioned it may result in several down years, not saying it will but could.
What happened in the past decades isn't a guarantee we will maintain that winning formula, believe me I'll be happy if our Steelers can overcome all of this, but there is question to whether they can and thats the reality we face.

Oviedo
02-17-2013, 12:31 PM
The Steelers gave out huge $ to 56, 94, 43, and 84 etc...if they really want Lewis, they will pay him, they will find a way!!

JD

$$$$ They usually keep who they really want. IMO the question here is do they think Cortez Allen may be better than Lewis real soon? IMO that could be the case and they may just want to accelerate Allen becoming "the guy" knowing he will also have a big payday in about two years.

From an economics/salary cap perspective it may make more sense/be more cost effective to let Lewis leave, start Allen in his place and get Ike to take a paycut. They could then draft a CB in this year's draft and groom as Ike's replacement in about two years.

supersteeler
02-17-2013, 12:41 PM
$$$$ They usually keep who they really want. IMO the question here is do they think Cortez Allen may be better than Lewis real soon? IMO that could be the case and they may just want to accelerate Allen becoming "the guy" knowing he will also have a big payday in about two years.

From an economics/salary cap perspective it may make more sense/be more cost effective to let Lewis leave, start Allen in his place and get Ike to take a paycut. They could then draft a CB in this year's draft and groom as Ike's replacement in about two years.


Now everyone can see why I selected CB in round one as I looked into the possibilities of the above happening. Good corners are hard to find especially when your picking late in the draft. This is our opportunity to get a good one @ 17 if Lewis does leave and groom him for the expected relacement of Ike Taylor.

Oviedo
02-17-2013, 12:45 PM
Now everyone can see why I selected CB in round one as I looked into the possibilities of the above happening. Good corners are hard to find especially when your picking late in the draft. This is our opportunity to get a good one @ 17 if Lewis does leave and groom him for the expected relacement of Ike Taylor.

Your draft did articulate what could be a good strategy for this year's draft if we are willing to let Lewis go onto the market.

SteelerOfDeVille
02-17-2013, 01:44 PM
that subject line is SO misleading.. it's like posting, "TRACY PORTER SIGNS WTH STEELERS" then clicking inside and find it's someone's hope... LAME. Just saying.

steelblood
02-17-2013, 02:14 PM
You sir will receive my nomination for most misleading thread title of the year! Congratulations!

supersteeler
02-17-2013, 05:34 PM
that subject line is SO misleading.. it's like posting, "TRACY PORTER SIGNS WTH STEELERS" then clicking inside and find it's someone's hope... LAME. Just saying.

I explained that it looks promising because Keenan stated he wasn't greedy, likes it here, has a good rapport with Carnell lake. I also stated I have a gut feeling he would be signed, he's young, the Steelers put the time in to develope him, making him a good asset to the team.
That said, there is no guarantee no matter how promising it looks.
I would think the Steelers would have a contingency plan in place, whether we sign him or not.

I'm thinking if we sign him, the Steelers may attempt to either trade Ike Taylor to get an extra draft pick, or release him to save some money.
If we don't sign him we pick a CB in round one to groom for Taylor's replacement which could be the near future. You can't have enough of good corners in this pass happy league so either way CB was my choice in round one.

Sorry about the post, never intended to mislead anyone, if it came across that way my apologies.

BradshawsHairdresser
02-17-2013, 06:33 PM
That's OK, it's not like there's never been anything like that happen here before...it's more common than some of these people want to let on.

flippy
02-18-2013, 08:56 AM
Anyone remember when the delusional Keenan talked about being the best CB in the draft when we took him? He looked the part, but I always had this feeling he was a bit of a headcase.

I remember after his first season thinking I wish he took the approach of his good buddy Mike Wallace and just work hard on his game.

It's kinda weird how the paths for these 2 have played out. Lewis has become everything I thought Wallace was and vice versa. And looking back on it all, he just needed the right coach to thrive.

Could the same be said for Wallace? Does he need another coach to excel? And is coaching a systematic problem for the Steelers? It looks like our strength coach, OLine, and ST coach have been other underperformers. Is it a systematic problem? Are the coaches a bigger problem than the players?

Keenan Lewis suggests it very well could be.

Eich
02-18-2013, 09:13 AM
Anyone remember when the delusional Keenan talked about being the best CB in the draft when we took him? He looked the part, but I always had this feeling he was a bit of a headcase.

I remember after his first season thinking I wish he took the approach of his good buddy Mike Wallace and just work hard on his game.

It's kinda weird how the paths for these 2 have played out. Lewis has become everything I thought Wallace was and vice versa. And looking back on it all, he just needed the right coach to thrive.

Could the same be said for Wallace? Does he need another coach to excel? And is coaching a systematic problem for the Steelers? It looks like our strength coach, OLine, and ST coach have been other underperformers. Is it a systematic problem? Are the coaches a bigger problem than the players?

Keenan Lewis suggests it very well could be.

Interesting thought. You very well could be right. Guys WANT to play and play well for Lake and Lebeau. Maybe we need more of that on offense. Difficult to say if anyone really "likes" Haley. But maybe we need to try something new at the positional level.

When you think of former players that could become a coach, I know many have suggested Hines Ward. I just don't know if he could be coaching material. He certainly had the right work ethic/attitude. How about a guy like Swann? Imagine having both Swann and Lake on the team !

flippy
02-18-2013, 09:20 AM
Interesting thought. You very well could be right. Guys WANT to play and play well for Lake and Lebeau. Maybe we need more of that on offense. Difficult to say if anyone really "likes" Haley. But maybe we need to try something new at the positional level.

When you think of former players that could become a coach, I know many have suggested Hines Ward. I just don't know if he could be coaching material. He certainly had the right work ethic/attitude. How about a guy like Swann? Imagine having both Swann and Lake on the team !

I think a former QB would make a good WR coach. I think that's the reason guys like Ward and Stewart were natural WRs. How bout bringing back a guy like Tommy Maddox?

It would be fun to have a roster of former players as coaches. It might be a complete disaster, but it would be interesting.

How bout bringing back James Harrison as our strength coach after he retires. Guys would be afraid to not be in shape.

supersteeler
02-18-2013, 09:42 AM
Anyone remember when the delusional Keenan talked about being the best CB in the draft when we took him? He looked the part, but I always had this feeling he was a bit of a headcase.

I remember after his first season thinking I wish he took the approach of his good buddy Mike Wallace and just work hard on his game.

It's kinda weird how the paths for these 2 have played out. Lewis has become everything I thought Wallace was and vice versa. And looking back on it all, he just needed the right coach to thrive.

Could the same be said for Wallace? Does he need another coach to excel? And is coaching a I don't know if coaching is a systemactic
problem for the Steelers? It looks like our strength coach, OLine, and ST coach have been other underperformers. Is it a systematic problem? Are the coaches a bigger problem than the players?


Keenan Lewis suggests it very well could be.



I don't know if coaching is a systemactic issue, it appears it just took Keenan a little longer to develope his skills. Since Carnell lake took over I would think the entire secondary improved except in one catagory....interceptions.
Our secondary is coached to not give up the big play, and making the tackle. I'm wondering if the players are concentrating so much on not giving up the play they don't focus as much on making INT's.

Sometimes players say things to motivate themselves, like when Keenan said at the beginning of the year he'll be a pro bowl corner.
As for Mike I would say he's better suited for the deep passing game, maybe Haley's style of offense isn't the right fit for him as his numbers went down.
I still think Wallace will return to form with the right offense, usually have a high YPA average, even in Haley's offense he was still our most productive receiver catching 8 td's and leading the team in receptions. I f I remember correctly most of those TD's were made from deep passing routes, something Ben Likes but Haley has other idea's.

Eich
02-18-2013, 12:27 PM
I think a former QB would make a good WR coach. I think that's the reason guys like Ward and Stewart were natural WRs. How bout bringing back a guy like Tommy Maddox?

It would be fun to have a roster of former players as coaches. It might be a complete disaster, but it would be interesting.

How bout bringing back James Harrison as our strength coach after he retires. Guys would be afraid to not be in shape.

I love both ideas !

feltdizz
02-18-2013, 01:22 PM
That's OK, it's not like there's never been anything like that happen here before...it's more common than some of these people want to let on.

"look promising" isn't misleading at all...