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Mister Pittsburgh
02-08-2013, 10:16 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-wr-coach-montgomery-leaves-for-job-at-duke-673940/
Steelers' WR coach Montgomery leaves for job at Duke
February 8, 2013 9:12
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin will have yet another opening on his coaching staff to fill because assistant Scottie Montgomery is taking a job with Duke University.
Montgomery coached the Steelers' wide receivers the past three seasons. He will become the offensive coordinator at Duke, a source told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
Montgomery coached the wide receivers at Duke, his alma mater, for four seasons before joining the Steelers staff in 2010.
He was among Duke's all-time leading receivers.
Tomlin has hired two coaches since the end of the season, Jack Bicknell Jr. as his offensive line coach and Danny Smith to coach the special teams. He still has not filled one other position.

phillyesq
02-08-2013, 10:17 AM
That's a shame.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-08-2013, 10:19 AM
Offensive coaches leaving like rats from a sinking ship.....

Slapstick
02-08-2013, 10:54 AM
Offensive coaches leaving like rats from a sinking ship.....

...for promotions...

RKSteel
02-08-2013, 11:03 AM
Hire Hines Ward

phillyesq
02-08-2013, 11:06 AM
Hire Hines Ward

Would be great to see him as a part of the team but I imagine that he would have to take a massive paycut.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-08-2013, 11:13 AM
...for promotions...


I'm torn on this notion....is becoming the HC at UTEP a big promotion from being an OL coach? If you become a HC in college, isn't that just about the pinnacle of a college coaches career, where if you have your foot in the door in the NFL you can become more.

Same with becoming the OC of Duke Football? Pardon me but Duke isn't a real hotbed for football and WR coaches can get bumped up to OC in the NFL.

Maybe I'm mistaken. I know a guy whose kid played for North Allegheny where Kuglers son played, and he said that Kugler really disliked Haley and that is why he jumped at the chance to leave. He said/ he said...I know....but just what I was told. But I guess I can understand Kugler taking off for a HC gig at his alma mater.....but Montgomery going to Duke doesn't seem like a real big promotion.

Bluto
02-08-2013, 11:27 AM
I'm torn on this notion....is becoming the HC at UTEP a big promotion from being an OL coach? If you become a HC in college, isn't that just about the pinnacle of a college coaches career, where if you have your foot in the door in the NFL you can become more.

Same with becoming the OC of Duke Football? Pardon me but Duke isn't a real hotbed for football and WR coaches can get bumped up to OC in the NFL.

Maybe I'm mistaken. I know a guy whose kid played for North Allegheny where Kuglers son played, and he said that Kugler really disliked Haley and that is why he jumped at the chance to leave. He said/ he said...I know....but just what I was told. But I guess I can understand Kugler taking off for a HC gig at his alma mater.....but Montgomery going to Duke doesn't seem like a real big promotion.

Duke was coach Montgomery Alma mater also. I think thatis always going to be interesting. I think I remember Hines saying he would like to coach at Goegia. Duke O put up massive numbers last year. If he does the same. He has a better chance to get a bigger gig. Rather than just coaching our WR.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-08-2013, 11:54 AM
Duke was coach Montgomery Alma mater also. I think thatis always going to be interesting. I think I remember Hines saying he would like to coach at Goegia. Duke O put up massive numbers last year. If he does the same. He has a better chance to get a bigger gig. Rather than just coaching our WR.


OK...yeah...not trying to act like a know-it-all....just wasn't sure how going to the college ranks would help you in your quest to become more in the NFL....when the NFL is the top league. As you said, maybe the call to go home is more meaningful to them. I guess look at a guy like Randy Fichtner though. He was a stud for Memphis football and controlled his own offense where here he won't be made an OC and will be a QB coach till he leaves. Wonder why Arians wouldn't look at Fichtner as his OC. I know Arians will really be the one in charge of the offense out there but you would think if he had a good relationship with Fichtner he would consider him as his OC.

Eddie Spaghetti
02-08-2013, 12:39 PM
the money in college football is so much better than it was, even 5 years ago.

gotta be a factor.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-08-2013, 12:46 PM
Was not aware of that Mr. Spaghetti.....

papillon
02-08-2013, 01:32 PM
I'm torn on this notion....is becoming the HC at UTEP a big promotion from being an OL coach? If you become a HC in college, isn't that just about the pinnacle of a college coaches career, where if you have your foot in the door in the NFL you can become more.

Same with becoming the OC of Duke Football? Pardon me but Duke isn't a real hotbed for football and WR coaches can get bumped up to OC in the NFL.

Maybe I'm mistaken. I know a guy whose kid played for North Allegheny where Kuglers son played, and he said that Kugler really disliked Haley and that is why he jumped at the chance to leave. He said/ he said...I know....but just what I was told. But I guess I can understand Kugler taking off for a HC gig at his alma mater.....but Montgomery going to Duke doesn't seem like a real big promotion.

Here's the thing, if you want to be a head coach in the NFL and get the chance to manage the offense, defense and special teams (the way a head coach would do) then taking a head coaching job, even at a school not known for football gives you that experience. An NFL team looking to make a change and gives him an interview he can use experience running an entire football team as a positive and the negative is that he didn't do it in the NFL. In the case where you leave the NFL for a head coaching job, you do have NFL experience, just not as a head coach.

On the other hand, a coordinator can't say he's managed the entire team, only 1/3 of the team, either Special teams, offense or defense, so, if you're the owner of an NFL team, who do you hire? The guy with head coaching experience or the guy with NFL experience. I don't know, but I don't think its a detriment to leave the NFL to be a college head coach if you aspire to coach in the NFL at the head coaching position.

Pappy

RuthlessBurgher
02-08-2013, 01:38 PM
NFL coaching jobs are strictly business. Assistants tend to coach at one place for a couple of years, then move on to a new place for a couple of years, and so on. Rarely does a coach develop a "love" for a particular NFL team or NFL city, since those jobs tend to be so temporary...you are merely a hired gun.

However, a guy's alma mater will always be his alma mater. There will always be a meaningful relationship with one's alma mater no matter what. Even if it's not the pinnacle of the profession, you can make a comfortable salary while "going home" and being happy. It's hard to put a dollar value on something like that.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-08-2013, 01:45 PM
It's hard to put a dollar value on something like that.

Very true....

Oviedo
02-08-2013, 03:25 PM
Could be Haley getting the coaches he wants versus what he inherited. It is not uncommon for a coach to get other coaches or share his philosophy. Not sure why so many here feel fresh blood and new perspectives are a bad thing.

Oviedo
02-08-2013, 03:27 PM
NFL coaching jobs are strictly business. Assistants tend to coach at one place for a couple of years, then move on to a new place for a couple of years, and so on. Rarely does a coach develop a "love" for a particular NFL team or NFL city, since those jobs tend to be so temporary...you are merely a hired gun.

However, a guy's alma mater will always be his alma mater. There will always be a meaningful relationship with one's alma mater no matter what. Even if it's not the pinnacle of the profession, you can make a comfortable salary while "going home" and being happy. It's hard to put a dollar value on something like that.

Keep in mind that the "grind" of the NFL isn't that great a life for coaches. The college ranks many times offer more security and "quality of life."

Slapstick
02-08-2013, 03:44 PM
It isn't like Montgomery left for a high school job or something...he is going to work at his alma mater, which happens to be in a BCS conference, and assuming duties with a greater level of responsibility...

BigRob
02-08-2013, 04:44 PM
Wexell is speculating (pure speculation) that Montgomery was told he should take the job because he wasn't going to be retained.

thor75
02-09-2013, 07:27 AM
This is great news to me!! I thought the WRs underperformed this year (as most of us did) and with that talent that is unacceptable. Ward is gone and the WR corp goes in the downslide...correlation or reaction?? I don't know, I love the shake-up. Doesn't seem like the coaches presence was there. Something needs to light a fire under those guys. I am genuinely ecstatic right now, I am looking forward to someone who can develope the WRs better. A great FO move that never was imo.

feltdizz
02-09-2013, 11:38 AM
The coaching tree plays a big part in who stays and who goes... if this coach was mentored by BA he probably knew his days were numbered. I have a friend who has a brother who is a coach. He bounced around from Youngstown St. to Stanford, Maryland and ended up on the Ravens. When Harbaugh was hired he was also let go when the OC or DC was fired. He was really close to getting a promotion before the caoching chqnge.

He's a HS head coach now and he loves it. Most of these coaches have a desire to lead or be in the drivers seat. Its also grindijg oj the family and my friend told me his wife is much happier now that they have some stability and the kids arent starting over every 3 years at a new school.

steelmann58
02-09-2013, 08:02 PM
lets hope Mike does not hire another crony. I not sure Ward is the ansewer as Wr coach but they need a coach who the young recievers can learn from.

Oviedo
02-10-2013, 10:29 AM
lets hope Mike does not hire another crony. I not sure Ward is the ansewer as Wr coach but they need a coach who the young recievers can learn from.

What "crony" has Tomlin hired? Haley? No. LeBeau? Given to him. Carnell Lake? No. Bicknell? No.

Guess I don't see the cronies you do.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-10-2013, 11:30 AM
What "crony" has Tomlin hired? Haley? No. LeBeau? Given to him. Carnell Lake? No. Bicknell? No.

Guess I don't see the cronies you do.

Amos Jones
Kirby Wilson
Garrett Giemont

^^^^ Tomlin cronies

Slapstick
02-10-2013, 01:06 PM
Amos Jones
Kirby Wilson
Garrett Giemont

^^^^ Tomlin cronies

If that's the case, then every head coach in the NFL hires "cronies", if the only qualification is that they previously worked together...

Rob Chudzinski hired Norv Turner = crony

John Harbaugh hired Juan Castillo = crony

Jim Harbaugh hired Greg Roman and Vic Fangio = cronies

The list goes on and on...

flippy
02-10-2013, 07:48 PM
Swanny and Stallworth might be too old, but wonder if Lipps or Thigpen would be interested in coaching?

phillyesq
02-11-2013, 09:36 AM
Swanny and Stallworth might be too old, but wonder if Lipps or Thigpen would be interested in coaching?

If you were going to look for a former player to be a coach, I would try to find somebody who got the job done without great physical tools, and instead somebody who outperformed their measurables. An offensive equivalent of Deshea Townsend.

The nostalgia of the old stars is great, and they certainly have some gravitas, but it is rare that you have a really good play become a really good coach. I think Carnell Lake is more the exception than the rule.

Slapstick
02-11-2013, 10:43 AM
If you were going to look for a former player to be a coach, I would try to find somebody who got the job done without great physical tools, and instead somebody who outperformed their measurables. An offensive equivalent of Deshea Townsend.

The nostalgia of the old stars is great, and they certainly have some gravitas, but it is rare that you have a really good play become a really good coach. I think Carnell Lake is more the exception than the rule.

I agree. There are more Cowhers, Grudens and Jeff Fishers in the NFL than there are Jim Harbaughs...

Oviedo
02-11-2013, 10:55 AM
If that's the case, then every head coach in the NFL hires "cronies", if the only qualification is that they previously worked together...

Rob Chudzinski hired Norv Turner = crony

John Harbaugh hired Juan Castillo = crony

Jim Harbaugh hired Greg Roman and Vic Fangio = cronies

The list goes on and on...


Exactly. Every coach in the league hires people they know but when Tomlin does it somehow it becomes insidious.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
02-11-2013, 10:56 AM
I agree. There are more Cowhers, Grudens and Jeff Fishers in the NFL than there are Jim Harbaughs...

129 TDs
117 INTs
77.6 Career QBR

I hope that this is not the measuring stick for a "really good" player

Oviedo
02-11-2013, 11:14 AM
Amos Jones
Kirby Wilson
Garrett Giemont

^^^^ Tomlin cronies

So two out of the 10 coaches (20%) on the staff (Jones is gone) have a previous relationship with Tomlin and that is rabid cronyism. None are in key positions like being a coordinator but somehow Tomlin has got it wrong? Wow!

Slapstick
02-11-2013, 11:46 AM
129 TDs
117 INTs
77.6 Career QBR

I hope that this is not the measuring stick for a "really good" player

He came within one dropped pass of beating the Steelers in the AFCC game in Pittsburgh and advancing to the SB...

That's a pretty good measuring stick...

Jooser
02-11-2013, 08:30 PM
Bouchette: Steelers pushed Scottie Montgomery out

Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2013, 5:34 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/montgomery.jpg?w=375

Last year, the Steelers didn’t want to create the impression that they pushed offensive coordinator Bruce Arians out of town. Even though they did.

This year, the Steelers possibly want to create the impression that they pushed receivers coach Scottie Montgomery out of town. Even if they didn’t.

Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette believes, without specifically reporting, that Montgomery was nudged (http://sulia.com/channel/pittsburgh-steelers/f/5acd817b-d5a1-4264-af1c-b22d724507ad/?source=twitter). And that potentially becomes important because, with multiple offensive assistants leaving the team after offensive coordinator Todd Haley’s first year on the job, the Steelers surely hope to avoid creating the impression that Haley’s style has caused folks to give up assignments with the Pittsburgh Steelers for jobs at college football powerhouses like UTEP and Duke.

We’re not saying that the coaches left because of Haley. We’re just saying that, based on what happened last year with Arians, there’s absolutely no reason to believe any whispers or declarations coming from the Steelers on why a coach left.


Saw this on PFT, perhaps the housecleaning starts with the coaches?

Mister Pittsburgh
02-11-2013, 09:11 PM
All I know is I work with a guy whose kid played at NA with Kuglers kid, and he heard Kugler took the UTEP job because he could not stand Haley.

Oviedo
02-11-2013, 10:15 PM
All I know is I work with a guy whose kid played at NA with Kuglers kid, and he heard Kugler took the UTEP job because he could not stand Haley.

Maybe he didn't like Haley was holding him responsible for the substandard play of the OL. Little things like the inability to get short yardage, protect the franchise player, etc. Can anyone really say our OL has improved at all under Kugler?

Its also not like our WRs didn't take a major backward step this past season. Shouldn't Montgomery be responsible for that?

Maybe Haley holds people responsible and Arians didn't. Could be the culture change they didn't like.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-12-2013, 08:07 AM
Tough to hold Kugler responsible for injuries. The OL issue wasn't talent for the most part, it was the constant injuries.

Oviedo
02-12-2013, 12:41 PM
Good well thought out take from Neal Coolong


To boil it down, if we really want to get technical, Montgomery's receiving group did not perform well top to bottom this season. It's understandable if the team wanted to make a change to a coach who better fit the direction they felt the position needed to go. It happens all the time.

I've written about the idea of bringing in a coach who's more aligned with running strategy, which is a theory that would go in concert with the idea of running in more of a zone scheme this upcoming year. Training the technique of blocking within a zone scheme is not the simplest thing to do, and they very well just could have felt Montgomery wasn't the best guy who could do that for them.

But perhaps Montgomery really didn't want to coach that strategy, and talked to his old boss, who asked him to come back because he liked the way he coached. Perhaps the Steelers, Mike Tomlin and Todd Haley are not sitting around, twisting mustaches and plotting ways to get rid of their coaches in the most passive-aggressive way possible.

I know that's hard for some to accept, and the idea of it even being a jointly agreed upon situation is possible too. Maybe they're up front and honest with each other, and Montgomery approached Haley and Tomlin, as a man, and said, I've got this opportunity, they're going to pay me this and give me this title, I'd like to stay if you can give me the same thing. They tell him they aren't interested in doing that, shake his hand, wish him the best of luck, and they'll be in touch about prospects soon enough.

The shelf life of a position coach in one job isn't very long, especially when they're young. As long as we're hatching conspiracy theories of people getting "forced out" of their jobs instead of just being fired, maybe we shouldn't downplay their ability to progress their careers in a positive way.


http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/2/12/3979638/steelers-wide-receivers-coach-search-job-position-fired