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BigRob
02-06-2013, 05:24 PM
There are going to be a lot of veterans cut and a lot of deals being cut. There are quite a few teams with cap space.

There will be more than a few veterans on the outside looking in. Hopefully the Steelers can find a way to bring in one or two veteran (not too old) free agents at a bargain that can help out.

My favorite right now is Larry Grant with the 49'ers. He started for Patrick Willis in the 49'er 3-4 and excelled at coverage and stopping the run.

BradshawsHairdresser
02-06-2013, 05:43 PM
Bring him in for a visit.

papillon
02-06-2013, 05:45 PM
There are going to be a lot of veterans cut and a lot of deals being cut. There are quite a few teams with cap space.

There will be more than a few veterans on the outside looking in. Hopefully the Steelers can find a way to bring in one or two veteran (not too old) free agents at a bargain that can help out.

My favorite right now is Larry Grant with the 49'ers. He started for Patrick Willis in the 49'er 3-4 and excelled at coverage and stopping the run.

My favorite free agent right now is Keenan Lewis and James Harrison. I hope the Steelers can find a way to sign both to contracts to eliminate CB and OLB as potential first round draft options and maybe find that physical receiver that will fight for the ball or a TE that isn't an extra tackle that can be paired with Heath Miller.

Pappy

BigRob
02-06-2013, 06:03 PM
My favorite free agent right now is Keenan Lewis and James Harrison. I hope the Steelers can find a way to sign both to contracts to eliminate CB and OLB as potential first round draft options and maybe find that physical receiver that will fight for the ball or a TE that isn't an extra tackle that can be paired with Heath Miller.

Pappy

They will let Lewis shop and then see if they can get a deal done. James Harrison is going to be cut, maybe they can sign him back at a vet minimum but it is doubtful.

Eddie Spaghetti
02-06-2013, 06:47 PM
probably not a surprise, but I hope they find a way to sign Ramon Foster to a reasonable contract. His versatility at both OG spots and RT, combined with his durability are huge assets for this OL. I know he is much malingned here, but he has done a pretty damn good job everytime he has been called on. Plus, he justs plays with a nasty streak.

if the new OL coach believes he can fit his system, I think he is worth right around what Urbik got. It will be interesting to see what his value is.

supersteeler
02-06-2013, 07:01 PM
There is no money for FA's, the Steelers will try and sign their own players and then look at the draft for the rest.
This is one year where a rookie could start especially at RB and it depends on if we keep foote. A rookie could compete with sylvester and spence for a spot, Spence is like a second year rookie and Slyvester isn't the answer only a backup.

Another position a rookie could start is TE since we don't know if Heath will be ready for the regular season. If he isn't then a TE has a chance to compete with Paulson. Overall I don't see them pursuing any FA's, where is the money coming from? Any good FA's won't come cheap so they might as well sign their own like Lewis.

Sugar
02-06-2013, 07:08 PM
They will let Lewis shop and then see if they can get a deal done. James Harrison is going to be cut, maybe they can sign him back at a vet minimum but it is doubtful.

If they cut James and try and resign for vet minimum, I kind of hope he tests the market. That would be a slap in the face. Maybe they have to do it that way, but it's still a slap at a guy who has been a monster for this team and showed last year that, when healthy, he can still bring it. BTW- there's no reason to think he's not healthy now.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-06-2013, 07:27 PM
If the Steelers had to pick between keeping Troy or James, who should they keep? Our defense played really well without Troy where the secondary played more of a straight coverage instead of having to adjust while Troy played a 5th LB spot. The pass rush struggled without James. I think I would choose to keep Harrison.

winwithd
02-06-2013, 07:29 PM
If they cut James and try and resign for vet minimum, I kind of hope he tests the market. That would be a slap in the face. Maybe they have to do it that way, but it's still a slap at a guy who has been a monster for this team and showed last year that, when healthy, he can still bring it. BTW- there's no reason to think he's not healthy now.

I loved James in his prime, but last year he looked to me to always be a step slow, especially in coverage. I dont get where people say he was really coming on at the end cause he was finally getting healthy. I didn't see much difference. He made some plays but nothing extraordinary and he still usually was trailing whoever he was suppose to cover. I think it is time to let go of the past and move on.

Troy can still be that 'X' factor that the other team has to worry about for another year or two, IMHO.

Slapstick
02-06-2013, 07:37 PM
I loved James in his prime, but last year he looked to me to always be a step slow, especially in coverage. I dont get where people say he was really coming on at the end cause he was finally getting healthy.


Mostly because he had five sacks in the last 7 games of the year...

Mister Pittsburgh
02-06-2013, 07:39 PM
I loved James in his prime, but last year he looked to me to always be a step slow, especially in coverage. I dont get where people say he was really coming on at the end cause he was finally getting healthy. I didn't see much difference. He made some plays but nothing extraordinary and he still usually was trailing whoever he was suppose to cover. I think it is time to let go of the past and move on.

Troy can still be that 'X' factor that the other team has to worry about for another year or two, IMHO.

i think when people say he was coming on, they are referring to QB pressure. I wouldn't gauge my OLB's play on coverage skills over QB pressure.

BigRob
02-06-2013, 07:52 PM
probably not a surprise, but I hope they find a way to sign Ramon Foster to a reasonable contract. His versatility at both OG spots and RT, combined with his durability are huge assets for this OL. I know he is much malingned here, but he has done a pretty damn good job everytime he has been called on. Plus, he justs plays with a nasty streak.

if the new OL coach believes he can fit his system, I think he is worth right around what Urbik got. It will be interesting to see what his value is.

I don't believe he fits with what Haley and the new O-line coach desire. It has been reported that Haley wants a much more athletic line. Neither Foster nor Colon fits the bill.

However, Colon is more likely to stay than Foster due to cap reasons.

Foster is a decent power player, but cannot move in space and never gets to the second level.

BigRob
02-06-2013, 07:55 PM
There is no money for FA's, the Steelers will try and sign their own players and then look at the draft for the rest.

If they cannot re-sign Lewis, that will leave them a little bit of room for low level free agents with potential like Larry Grant. Grant will not command big dollars, but could have a big impact at MLB and on special teams.

They will restructure Taylor if they cannot sign Lewis to free up more room. If they sign Lewis, I agree with you 100%

BigRob
02-06-2013, 07:58 PM
If they cut James and try and resign for vet minimum, I kind of hope he tests the market. That would be a slap in the face. Maybe they have to do it that way, but it's still a slap at a guy who has been a monster for this team and showed last year that, when healthy, he can still bring it. BTW- there's no reason to think he's not healthy now.

There is no reason to think he will stay healthy. Back and knee problems at his age in sports tends to become chronic.

Eddie Spaghetti
02-06-2013, 08:18 PM
I don't believe he fits with what Haley and the new O-line coach desire. It has been reported that Haley wants a much more athletic line. Neither Foster nor Colon fits the bill.

However, Colon is more likely to stay than Foster due to cap reasons.

Foster is a decent power player, but cannot move in space and never gets to the second level.

personally, I wouldn't waste another red cent on colon.

foster may not fit the new scheme, but there is nothing behind him as far as depth.

will be interesting to see how it pans out.

BigRob
02-06-2013, 08:28 PM
personally, I wouldn't waste another red cent on colon.

foster may not fit the new scheme, but there is nothing behind him as far as depth.

will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Unfortunately is cost almost as much to get rid of Colon as it would to keep him. He may be a back-up tackle/guard vs. signing Foster to a contract.

Colon is the better player when healthy (I know...a big if).

Mister Pittsburgh
02-06-2013, 11:25 PM
What do you guys see the following guys getting in FA....

RB Mike Goodson
WR Derek Hagan
QB Matt Moore
QB Drew Stanton
RB Legarette Blount

Shawn
02-07-2013, 01:27 AM
If the Steelers had to pick between keeping Troy or James, who should they keep? Our defense played really well without Troy where the secondary played more of a straight coverage instead of having to adjust while Troy played a 5th LB spot. The pass rush struggled without James. I think I would choose to keep Harrison.

For what they cost for how much they play and how old they are...both need cut. Time for a youth movement.

ikestops85
02-07-2013, 12:22 PM
probably not a surprise, but I hope they find a way to sign Ramon Foster to a reasonable contract. His versatility at both OG spots and RT, combined with his durability are huge assets for this OL. I know he is much malingned here, but he has done a pretty damn good job everytime he has been called on. Plus, he justs plays with a nasty streak.

if the new OL coach believes he can fit his system, I think he is worth right around what Urbik got. It will be interesting to see what his value is.

I would love for them to resign Foster as a backup. The problem is Foster considers himself, and rightly so, a starter. He has started the majority of the games for the last 2 years. He wants starter money and to play for a team that considers him a starter. I don't think the Steelers fit into either of those categories.

phillyesq
02-07-2013, 01:00 PM
My favorite free agent right now is Keenan Lewis and James Harrison. I hope the Steelers can find a way to sign both to contracts to eliminate CB and OLB as potential first round draft options and maybe find that physical receiver that will fight for the ball or a TE that isn't an extra tackle that can be paired with Heath Miller.

Pappy

I agree with you 100% Pappy.

Dee Dub
02-07-2013, 01:32 PM
....My favorite right now is Larry Grant with the 49'ers. He started for Patrick Willis in the 49'er 3-4 and excelled at coverage and stopping the run.

Dude is a career back-up. Spot starting or coming in to give a guy a breather once in a while does not always translate into a good 16 game starter. He's been in this position for 5 years with two teams. Personally I would like to have something better for our beloved Steelers....but that's just me.

If we are going to go that route I'd rather draft T'eo or Minter. Give me lightening in a bottle over a fizzy-lifting drink any day.

Dee Dub
02-07-2013, 01:40 PM
If they cannot re-sign Lewis, that will leave them a little bit of room for low level free agents with potential like Larry Grant. Grant will not command big dollars, but could have a big impact at MLB and on special teams.

With a name like "Big" Rob I'd think you would want bigger for our Steelers?? "Could" have a big impact? Are you kidding me? If my aunt had...well I think you get it. Should-of, would-of, and could-of is something I personally am not interested in for my Steelers...especially at a starting ILB spot. And you want to be my lay-text man? Come on Rob... wheres the Big at? Lately you've been coming at us like smallRob. :)

BigRob
02-07-2013, 02:14 PM
Dude is a career back-up. Spot starting or coming in to give a guy a breather once in a while does not always translate into a good 16 game starter. He's been in this position for 5 years with two teams. Personally I would like to have something better for our beloved Steelers....but that's just me.

If we are going to go that route I'd rather draft T'eo or Minter. Give me lightening in a bottle over a fizzy-lifting drink any day.

Did I say to come in and start? I said he COULD come in and if he is better than a back-up: start. Otherwise he is a fantastic back-up and special teams player with the potential to fill in admirably for a few games ala Keyaron Fox.

He is measurably better than Sylvester at this point.

I don't think the Steelers should let it keep them from grabbing another MLB in the draft. I guarantee you it won't be in the first round.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-07-2013, 02:24 PM
I see this happening:

Harrison will be cut. Colon WILL take a pay cut to stay.

BB, Woodley, Timmons, Miller, and Troy will all be part of the re-structure and/or add a year to get under cap. They also may want to look at early extensions on Hood & Pouncey.

Dwyer, McLendon, Redman, Sanders, Sylvester, Van Dyke, & B Batch will be tendered.

Lewis will be the priority and will be locked up. They will also get Legursky signed. G Warren may sign for min, if not them will wait. Joe Long is also a long snapper.

The only FA outside I think they will explore is a younger-more durable vet QB if he could be signed at THEIR price. Maybe a Hoyer, Moore, or Stanton.

Wallace, Hampton, Foster, Burress, B Johnson, D Johnson, W Allen, Pope, Mendy, Mundy, Lefty, C Batch, Foote, & Starks will be allowed to test the market & will not be back before the draft. I expect Wallace, Foster, & Mendy to get deals before the draft from other teams.

THE DRAFT

Foote, Starks, Burress, Pope, B Johnson, & W Allen/Mundy MAY come back after the draft if holes need to be filled. I also expect the Steelers, at this time, to continue to look for a younger-more durable veteran back-up QB if they didn't get one signed before the draft. This is the Steelers FA wave & there may be cuts after the draft. Lefty may get a deal elsewhere but I think Batch will be the fallback plan. I expect a 1st or 2nd year guy, a rookie, or an UDFA to make the team as the #3.

I believe B Batch, Sylvester, and DVD have to earn their roster spot even though they get tendered. I believe Suisham has a burning sensation in the back of his neck called Hrapmann or a rookie and he may not make final cuts if it is close because of his 1.76 mil cap hit. Cotchery, Colon, & Keisel will have to hold off "the young" to remain through final cuts. Everyone mentioned in this section may be classified as "operating room under the cap" cut for 2013. At this point, Colon would be a post June 1st cut.

There is you new look Steelers for 2013. 2014 will finish the cleaning. If Cotchery, Colon, & Keisel make the 2013 roster it will be their last. 2013 will be Clark's last year (If he plays). Polamalu & Taylor will have to show in 2013 they have another year left or they will be the BIG 2014 cap cuts. We hate to see them go. The good news is...The purge of declining vets & "creative capping" will be complete going into 2014 with a talented young core in place. Lets just hope the only issue at that point will be getting the next franchise QB in here to learn behind BB.

BigRob
02-07-2013, 02:28 PM
I see this happening:Harrison will be cut. Colon WILL take a pay cut to stay. BB, Woodley, Timmons, Miller, and Troy will all be part of the re-structure and/or add a year to get under cap.They also may want to look at early extensions on Hood & Pouncey.Dwyer, McLendon, Redman, Sanders, Sylvester, Van Dyke, & B Batch will be tendered. Lewis will be the priority and will be locked up. They will also get Legursky signed. G Warren may sign for min, if not them will wait. Joe Long is also a long snapper. The only FA outside I think they will explore is a younger-more durable vet QB if he could be signed at THEIR price. Maybe a Hoyer, Moore, or Stanton. Wallace, Hampton, Foster, Burress, B Johnson, D Johnson, W Allen, Pope, Mendy, Mundy, Lefty, C Batch, Foote, & Starks will be allowed to test the market & will not be back before the draft. I expect Wallace, Foster, & Mendy to get deals before the draft from other teams.THE DRAFTFoote, Starks, Burress, Pope, B Johnson, & W Allen/Mundy MAY come back after the draft if holes need to be filled. I also expect the Steelers, at this time, to CONTINUE to look for a younger-more durable veteran back-up QB. Lefty may get a deal elsewhere but I think Batch will be the fallback plan. I expect a rookie or an UDFA to make the team as the #3. I believe B Batch, Sylvester, and DVD have to earn their roster spot even though they get tendered. I believe Suisham has a burning sensation in the back of his neck called Hrapmann or a rookie and he may not make final cuts if it is close because of his 1.76 mil cap hit. Cotchery, Colon, & Keisel will have to hold off "the young" to remain through final cuts. Everyone mentioned in this section may be classified as "operating room under the cap" cut for 2013. At this point, Colon would be a post June 1st cut. There is you new look Steelers for 2013. 2014 will finish the cleaning. If Cotchery, Colon, & Keisel make the 2013 roster it will be their last. 2013 will be Clark's last year (If he plays). Polamalu & Taylor will have to show in 2013 they have another year left or they will be the BIG 2014 cap cuts. We hate to see them go. The good news is...The purge of declining vets & "creative capping" will be complete going into 2014 with a talented young core in place. Lets just hope the only issue at that point will be getting the next franchise QB in here to learn behind BB.

I agree with you it will be a two year process. They will have lots of compensatory picks next year and possibly one as high as the third round. The Cap is supposed to finally jump up quite a bit in 2014 after being flat for 2 years. That would allow them a lot of flexibility in 2014.

A quick comment on the Ravens. For 6 years they've had a top tier QB on the cheap. That ends in 2013.

I hope they have fun trying to build a championship roster having to pay Flacco top QB money. They will likely have to pay Flacco 20 million dollars in the form of an exclusive franchise tag this year and it will damage their roster.

Northern_Blitz
02-07-2013, 02:53 PM
I agree with you it will be a two year process. They will have lots of compensatory picks next year and possibly one as high as the third round. The Cap is supposed to finally jump up quite a bit in 2014 after being flat for 2 years. That would allow them a lot of flexibility in 2014.

A quick comment on the Ravens. For 6 years they have had a top tier QB on the cheap. That ends starting in 2013.

I hope they have fun trying to build a championship roster having to pay Flacco top QB money. They will likely have to pay Flacco 20 million dollars in the form of an exclusive franchise tag this year and it will damage their roster.

This is why I was hoping for a Ravens win. SB Winning QB, who won MVP and has made the playoffs every year of his career (with at least 1 win / year). He will get PAID and it should hurt the Ravens cap wise.

feltdizz
02-07-2013, 03:27 PM
This is why I was hoping for a Ravens win. SB Winning QB, who won MVP and has made the playoffs every year of his career (with at least 1 win / year). He will get PAID and it should hurt the Ravens cap wise.

no disrespect but that's a pathetic way to compete with the Ravens...

was this the same plan they used on us? Just let age catch up to us and then go on a run when we hit rock bottom? Yes, I think a .500 year is rock bottom:D

NW Steeler
02-07-2013, 03:34 PM
Watching the Ravens win the SB is hitting rock bottom. :mad:

hawaiiansteel
02-07-2013, 03:38 PM
Pittsburgh fire sale: The Steelers could lose every one of their free agents

Submitted by 60 Max Power O Staff on February 7, 2013

How did the Pittsburgh Steelers get into this situation? The usually fiscally sound organization has fallen on hard times with the salary cap.

The philosophy of pushing money into the future ended with the new CBA, and the Steelers are at the front of the line for paying back it’s long due credit line.

According to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, if you thought last year was tough, this year will be brutal.

He’s referring to the impending slashing of veterans as the “March Massacre.” Pittsburgh’s GM Kevin Colbert gave an indication in January that major changes were going to happen, but no one expected what Bouchette is envisioning:

“The Steelers could lose every one of their free agents, and they might have to lose a few more veterans if they don’t agree to take less money in 2013, they are so far over the salary cap that they would not be able to fill a 53-man roster without doing all of that,” Bouchette said.

Bouchette continues:

“The bloodletting that occurred last year when they released three longtime stars could be a drop in the bucket as to what occurs over the next month, which could resemble their March Massacre.”

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/pittsburgh_fire_sale_the_steelers_could_lose_every _one_of_their_free_agents/12862057

Dee Dub
02-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Pittsburgh fire sale: The Steelers could lose every one of their free agents

Submitted by 60 Max Power O Staff on February 7, 2013

How did the Pittsburgh Steelers get into this situation? The usually fiscally sound organization has fallen on hard times with the salary cap.

The philosophy of pushing money into the future ended with the new CBA, and the Steelers are at the front of the line for paying back it’s long due credit line.

According to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, if you thought last year was tough, this year will be brutal.

He’s referring to the impending slashing of veterans as the “March Massacre.” Pittsburgh’s GM Kevin Colbert gave an indication in January that major changes were going to happen, but no one expected what Bouchette is envisioning:

“The Steelers could lose every one of their free agents, and they might have to lose a few more veterans if they don’t agree to take less money in 2013, they are so far over the salary cap that they would not be able to fill a 53-man roster without doing all of that,” Bouchette said.

Bouchette continues:

“The bloodletting that occurred last year when they released three longtime stars could be a drop in the bucket as to what occurs over the next month, which could resemble their March Massacre.”

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/pittsburgh_fire_sale_the_steelers_could_lose_every _one_of_their_free_agents/12862057

This cracks me up!! There will not be one player the Steelers lose that they want to keep. A simple restructuring of contracts like Ben's, Woodley's, and Timmon's will allow them to keep any player they want.

Hilarious!!

phillyesq
02-07-2013, 04:18 PM
Pittsburgh fire sale: The Steelers could lose every one of their free agents

Submitted by 60 Max Power O Staff on February 7, 2013

How did the Pittsburgh Steelers get into this situation? The usually fiscally sound organization has fallen on hard times with the salary cap.

The philosophy of pushing money into the future ended with the new CBA, and the Steelers are at the front of the line for paying back it’s long due credit line.

According to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, if you thought last year was tough, this year will be brutal.

He’s referring to the impending slashing of veterans as the “March Massacre.” Pittsburgh’s GM Kevin Colbert gave an indication in January that major changes were going to happen, but no one expected what Bouchette is envisioning:

“The Steelers could lose every one of their free agents, and they might have to lose a few more veterans if they don’t agree to take less money in 2013, they are so far over the salary cap that they would not be able to fill a 53-man roster without doing all of that,” Bouchette said.

Bouchette continues:

“The bloodletting that occurred last year when they released three longtime stars could be a drop in the bucket as to what occurs over the next month, which could resemble their March Massacre.”

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/pittsburgh_fire_sale_the_steelers_could_lose_every _one_of_their_free_agents/12862057

I have not seen Bouchette's full article, but it sounds like he is contemplating what would happen if the Steelers did not do any more restructures. The Steelers almost have to restructure at least a few contracts, otherwise they would need to make close to $15 million in pure cuts before they even considered a tender.