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supersteeler
02-04-2013, 05:20 PM
Report: Mike Wallace turned down $10 million a yr deal from the Steelers
February 3, 2013
by Paul Jackiewicz
February 3, 2013

According to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, it looks like the Steelers and wide receiver Mike Wallace will part ways with one another this offseason after he turned down a five-year $10 million contract offer last year.

They gave him their best offer last year, reportedly averaging $10 million annually over five years, and he turned it down. They stopped negotiating with Wallace once camp started and he did not show up, and quickly turned their attention to (Antonio) Brown. He signed a five-year contract for $42.5 million that included an $8.5 million signing bonus.

Itís pretty shocking that Wallace turned down such a generous offer. I would love to know how much money heís looking for. I canít imagine Wallace getting over $10 million per year deal from any team.

Oviedo
02-04-2013, 05:25 PM
If accurate, Wallace just proved he was a douche for turning this down. He may have cost himself millions because I can't see a team stupid enough to give him that or more after this past season.

BigRob
02-04-2013, 05:29 PM
Report: Mike Wallace turned down $10 million a yr deal from the Steelers
February 3, 2013
by Paul Jackiewicz
February 3, 2013

According to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, it looks like the Steelers and wide receiver Mike Wallace will part ways with one another this offseason after he turned down a five-year $10 million contract offer last year.

They gave him their best offer last year, reportedly averaging $10 million annually over five years, and he turned it down. They stopped negotiating with Wallace once camp started and he did not show up, and quickly turned their attention to (Antonio) Brown. He signed a five-year contract for $42.5 million that included an $8.5 million signing bonus.

Itís pretty shocking that Wallace turned down such a generous offer. I would love to know how much money heís looking for. I canít imagine Wallace getting over $10 million per year deal from any team.

The per year average doesn't mean much in the NFL. It is the amount that is guaranteed that matters. I would say it didn't differ a lot from what Brown was offered.

Ghost
02-04-2013, 05:35 PM
Here's the article by Bouchette for those interested:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-sunday-spotlight-speed-kills-and-so-does-the-lack-of-it-673215/

Chadman
02-04-2013, 06:27 PM
Big Rob is probably close to the mark- every report BEFORE this one says that the deal Wallace turned down was very similar to the one Brown signed.

Chadman is very concerned that a WR group of Brown, Sanders & Cotchery isn't going to give Ben enough to work with. Any rookie brought in will sit no higher than 3rd on the depth chart, and chances are they will be less effective than Wallace was in 2012. Whichever way you look at it- the WR's will not be a 'better' group in 2013, and on top of this- we have no reliable ground game.

Oviedo
02-04-2013, 06:36 PM
Big Rob is probably close to the mark- every report BEFORE this one says that the deal Wallace turned down was very similar to the one Brown signed.

Chadman is very concerned that a WR group of Brown, Sanders & Cotchery isn't going to give Ben enough to work with. Any rookie brought in will sit no higher than 3rd on the depth chart, and chances are they will be less effective than Wallace was in 2012. Whichever way you look at it- the WR's will not be a 'better' group in 2013, and on top of this- we have no reliable ground game.

As a thought we should think outside the box and look at a top TE as a receiver and not as a TE who is somehow less than getting a WR. That strategy has worked well for the Pats and other teams like the 49ers who are using TEs more effectively as weapons and not extra OTs.

If Wallace leaves we should view that as needing to replace 64 receptions not needing a fast WR. I think Brown is plenty fast enough. We can do that a number of ways with TEs, RBs, etc. Don't need to have a Wallace clone to make that happen. It's not like Wallace proved himself impossible for the opponents to take out of a game the past season and a half.

phillyesq
02-04-2013, 06:50 PM
Big Rob is probably close to the mark- every report BEFORE this one says that the deal Wallace turned down was very similar to the one Brown signed.

Chadman is very concerned that a WR group of Brown, Sanders & Cotchery isn't going to give Ben enough to work with. Any rookie brought in will sit no higher than 3rd on the depth chart, and chances are they will be less effective than Wallace was in 2012. Whichever way you look at it- the WR's will not be a 'better' group in 2013, and on top of this- we have no reliable ground game.

This group worries me as well, especially with Miller likely less than 100% at least to start the season.

Even when Wallace did not produce, his speed provided a threat that opened thing sup underneath. I am fine with Wallace leaving, but suspect that his loss will be felt more than some seem to suggest.

The Steelers need another deep threat or, at least, a big WR who can make catches in traffic. Three smallish possession WRs are not really going to scare anybody.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 06:52 PM
As a thought we should think outside the box and look at a top TE as a receiver and not as a TE who is somehow less than getting a WR. That strategy has worked well for the Pats and other teams like the 49ers who are using TEs more effectively as weapons and not extra OTs.

If Wallace leaves we should view that as needing to replace 64 receptions not needing a fast WR. I think Brown is plenty fast enough. We can do that a number of ways with TEs, RBs, etc. Don't need to have a Wallace clone to make that happen. It's not like Wallace proved himself impossible for the opponents to take out of a game the past season and a half.

Haley did a great job of nullifying Wallace's effectiveness....

Chadman
02-04-2013, 06:55 PM
This group worries me as well, especially with Miller likely less than 100% at least to start the season.

Even when Wallace did not produce, his speed provided a threat that opened thing sup underneath. I am fine with Wallace leaving, but suspect that his loss will be felt more than some seem to suggest.

The Steelers need another deep threat or, at least, a big WR who can make catches in traffic. Three smallish possession WRs are not really going to scare anybody.

Exactly! If we were upset with a dink & dunk offense last season- can only imagine how happy we'll be with one with no physical threat or any deep threat.

And when you remove the most damaging & dangerous RB from the roster too... happy days...

Chadman
02-04-2013, 07:03 PM
As a thought we should think outside the box and look at a top TE as a receiver and not as a TE who is somehow less than getting a WR.

This is no longer an 'out of the box' thought process. You need to have genuine, dynamic players at TE to make that work. Hernandez & Gronk are the prototype's for that sort of role. Not even sure Miller is that type of recieving threat.

Slapstick
02-04-2013, 07:06 PM
Haley did a great job of nullifying Wallace's effectiveness....

Wallace did a great job of nullifying Haley's effectiveness...

Brown didn't help, either...

SteelerOfDeVille
02-04-2013, 07:15 PM
If accurate, Wallace just proved he was a douche for turning this down. He may have cost himself millions because I can't see a team stupid enough to give him that or more after this past season.

Arizona... put him on the other side of Fitzgerald and it could be scary... and he may even take less just to reunite with BA... just sayin....

NJ-STEELER
02-04-2013, 07:52 PM
Arizona... put him on the other side of Fitzgerald and it could be scary... and he may even take less just to reunite with BA... just sayin....

they drafted a WR in the 1st round last year

NJ-STEELER
02-04-2013, 07:53 PM
can only imagine how happy we'll be with one with no physical threat or any deep threat.

And when you remove the most damaging & dangerous RB from the roster too... happy days...

and yet, most of the mocks i've seen from steeler fans got them going with defense at the top of the draft

Chadman
02-04-2013, 10:12 PM
and yet, most of the mocks i've seen from steeler fans got them going with defense at the top of the draft


Mocks are just a bunch of guys wishing they were GM's. Don't put too much stock in them.

That said- one thing to not overlook IF the Steelers go Defense in Round 1 is simply age. The age of the Offense, as a whole, is quite young. This can't be said on Defense. The Steelers don't draft 'starters' necessarily in the Draft- they select 'future starters'. Like it or not- the Steelers are committed to young players along the OL, at WR & at RB. Drafting more young players for these spots is almost like giving up on the ones they are developing. Where as on Defense, there are no young safeties of note, Keisel, Harrison, Taylor, Foote, Hampton... there's a lot of age there. Long term, it makes more sense for the Defense to get the prime young player this season.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 10:19 PM
Arizona... put him on the other side of Fitzgerald and it could be scary... and he may even take less just to reunite with BA... just sayin....

The Packers are losing Jennings & Driver, the Patriots could lose Welker & there is talk they will release Brandon Lloyd, Miami are after a #1 WR for Tannehill, the Lions are after a WR to put at #2.... there will be no shortage of options for Wallace.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 10:21 PM
Chadman is very concerned that a WR group of Brown, Sanders & Cotchery isn't going to give Ben enough to work with. Any rookie brought in will sit no higher than 3rd on the depth chart, and chances are they will be less effective than Wallace was in 2012. Whichever way you look at it- the WR's will not be a 'better' group in 2013, and on top of this- we have no reliable ground game.

Steelers | WR a top priority in the draft (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=837459-steelers-wr-a-top-priority-in-the-draft)
Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:03:41 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) will make wide receiver a top priority in this year's draft with TE Heath Miller (http://www.kffl.com/player/11312/nfl/heath-miller) (knee) injured and WRs Antonio Brown (http://www.kffl.com/player/22341/nfl/antonio-brown) and Emmanuel Sanders (http://www.kffl.com/player/22700/nfl/emmanuel-sanders) both similar receivers that won't strike fear in opposing secondaries due to their lack of threat on the deep routes. California WR Keenan Allen (http://www.kffl.com/player/27509/nfl/keenan-allen) may be a target, as he's considered a top-15 pick. Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson (http://www.kffl.com/player/27588/nfl/cordarrelle-patterson) is another prospect expected to be taken in the first round, but he's not as polished as Allen and lacks top-end speed.
0 Comments (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=837459-steelers-wr-a-top-priority-in-the-draft) | Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Ed Bouchette (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-sunday-spotlight-speed-kills-and-so-does-the-lack-of-it-673215/)


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz2JzHCwuZx

It's like Deja Vu, all over again..

Eddie Spaghetti
02-04-2013, 11:03 PM
cordarelle patterson may lack top end speed, but I never saw anyone catch him on the football field.

I suspect he will put up some outstanding #s at the combine.

I am really starting to like darick rogers from tn tech and, I know chadman does as well.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 11:14 PM
cordarelle patterson may lack top end speed, but I never saw anyone catch him on the football field.

I suspect he will put up some outstanding #s at the combine.

I am really starting to like darick rogers from tn tech and, I know chadman does as well.

Da'Rick Rogers is an outstanding football player. If he can keep himself together, he could be a star.

Eddie Spaghetti
02-04-2013, 11:28 PM
Da'Rick Rogers is an outstanding football player. If he can keep himself together, he could be a star.

I agree chadman. I'm willing to give rogers a bit of a pass on his TN days. He looked to me like a kid who was crying for discipline, but who had maybe the worst coach in tenn history in derek dooley. I mean this guy was clueless. From everything I heard rogers was a pretty good student and was basically an immature kid, but not a real trouble maker. IIRC, he was a 5 star prospect when he came out of georgia.

he was very impressive at TN his sophmore year, especially after justin hunter was hurt early in that year vs. UF and TN had nobody on the other side. He still'produced in a big way against excellent competetion while teams tried to take him away. I agree that he may be a real star. I would take him in the 3rd if we don't draft a WR earlier.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 11:43 PM
I agree chadman. I'm willing to give rogers a bit of a pass on his TN days. He looked to me like a kid who was crying for discipline, but who had maybe the worst coach in tenn history in derek dooley. I mean this guy was clueless. From everything I heard rogers was a pretty good student and was basically an immature kid, but not a real trouble maker. IIRC, he was a 5 star prospect when he came out of georgia.

he was very impressive at TN his sophmore year, especially after justin hunter was hurt early in that year vs. UF and TN had nobody on the other side. He still'produced in a big way against excellent competetion while teams tried to take him away. I agree that he may be a real star. I would take him in the 3rd if we don't draft a WR earlier.

Chadman would go so far as to take him in the 2nd to secure him. If the Steelers feel the same way is debateable... but if it were chadman... that'd be the WR he'd want.

BradshawsHairdresser
02-04-2013, 11:48 PM
Haley did a great job of nullifying Wallace's effectiveness....
How many drops did Wallace have? How many plays did he quit on, or give less than maximum effort?
Blame Haley all you want, but throw in the holdout, and it's clear to me that Wallace did as much or more to limit Wallace's effectiveness than Haley did.

Chadman
02-05-2013, 12:34 AM
How many drops did Wallace have? How many plays did he quit on, or give less than maximum effort?
Blame Haley all you want, but throw in the holdout, and it's clear to me that Wallace did as much or more to limit Wallace's effectiveness than Haley did.

Understand all that. And for that, Wallace is to blame. But the Haley offense did not take advantage of the abilities Wallace brings to the game. Here's the thing- name another team that will use the deep threat WR as a short crossing route WR.

SS Laser
02-05-2013, 12:55 AM
I bet on some of the routes were Heath got the reception Wallace was running a longer route. Same goes for when other players caught the pass. Did Ben throw to the open man on that play? Or one he knew would catch the ball?

We do not see every route and player on TV. Just because we seen Wallace run some different routes in Haleys offence does not mean the go routes for Wallace were all gone. Wallace did take a nice crossing route to the house in the giants game. I also remember that Leftwich did chuck a few deep when he played.

I am not so sure it was the Haley offense that made Wallace ineffective. I think it was more on Ben (shoulder maybe) and Wallace not playing to 100% more then the offense scheme. Wallace did last to the 3rd round for some reason.

We will all see what Wallace is made of on another team making big the big bucks.

pittsburghfootball
02-05-2013, 01:19 AM
Good riddins.... good luck chump!

papillon
02-05-2013, 07:47 AM
Mocks are just a bunch of guys wishing they were GM's. Don't put too much stock in them.

That said- one thing to not overlook IF the Steelers go Defense in Round 1 is simply age. The age of the Offense, as a whole, is quite young. This can't be said on Defense. The Steelers don't draft 'starters' necessarily in the Draft- they select 'future starters'. Like it or not- the Steelers are committed to young players along the OL, at WR & at RB. Drafting more young players for these spots is almost like giving up on the ones they are developing. Where as on Defense, there are no young safeties of note, Keisel, Harrison, Taylor, Foote, Hampton... there's a lot of age there. Long term, it makes more sense for the Defense to get the prime young player this season.

While the receivers are young and the offense is young there is room for a receiver to come in and get playing time if he comes to camp ready to work, both mentally and physically. Patterson, Allen or Rogers appear to be receivers that could get playing time immediately from Haley if they prove they're ready for the NFL mentally more than physically.

On the other hand, I believe the Steelers will draft a defensive player in round one, but wouldn't be surprised by WR or RB.

Pappy

phillyesq
02-05-2013, 08:54 AM
Understand all that. And for that, Wallace is to blame. But the Haley offense did not take advantage of the abilities Wallace brings to the game. Here's the thing- name another team that will use the deep threat WR as a short crossing route WR.

It worked ok against the Giants. When you have a guy with flat out speed, there is nothing wrong with getting him the ball short and putting him in a position to use the speed.

Oviedo
02-05-2013, 09:10 AM
It worked ok against the Giants. When you have a guy with flat out speed, there is nothing wrong with getting him the ball short and putting him in a position to use the speed.

$$$$ Wallace's problem is he want to get the ball downfield where he worries less about contact because he is past the defenders. He doesn't embrace getting the ball across the middle and getting YAC, but you are right because that is exactly what the great ones do.

As far as taking advanatage of Wallace's "abilities", people are missing the pont that the focus was on Ben's abilities and the key to that was keeping him upright and on the field. We had great success when we did that and when he went out injured we saw how much less this team is without. So given the choice between Ben's health and throwing bombs to Wallace someone would be a fool not to choose the former.

Chadman
02-05-2013, 10:11 AM
$$$$ Wallace's problem is he want to get the ball downfield where he worries less about contact because he is past the defenders. He doesn't embrace getting the ball across the middle and getting YAC, but you are right because that is exactly what the great ones do.

Wallace's 235 career catches were not all bombs downfield. This misconception that he doesn't want to catch anything other than a deep pass is simply recycled to suit an argument that he'll be easily replaced. The argument was not that he can't, or won't catch passes across the middle, but that hŪs best weapon in his arsenal is that he can get deep & make plays downfield- something Haley did not utilise as much as he could have.


As far as taking advanatage of Wallace's "abilities", people are missing the pont that the focus was on Ben's abilities and the key to that was keeping him upright and on the field. We had great success when we did that and when he went out injured we saw how much less this team is without.

One would think that the idea of being a successful OC would incorporate utilising all his tools to the best of their ability, not just focussing on 1. And on that- the idea that Haley's offense keeps Ben healthy & on the field more- Ben missed 3 games in 2012. Want to know when was the last time he missed more than 3 games? 2010- when he missed 4 due to suspension.

steelz09
02-05-2013, 10:57 AM
I don't know why Keenan Allen is being ranked as the #1 WR in this draft when it seems clear to me that Hopkins from Clemson dwarfed his #s.

steelblood
02-05-2013, 11:02 AM
Big Rob is probably close to the mark- every report BEFORE this one says that the deal Wallace turned down was very similar to the one Brown signed.

Chadman is very concerned that a WR group of Brown, Sanders & Cotchery isn't going to give Ben enough to work with. Any rookie brought in will sit no higher than 3rd on the depth chart, and chances are they will be less effective than Wallace was in 2012. Whichever way you look at it- the WR's will not be a 'better' group in 2013, and on top of this- we have no reliable ground game.

Chadman, you may be right especially considering that Heath Miller may not be back at all next season, or if he is, he'll be recovering.

However, don't underestimate a rookie WR's (or TE's) potential impact. It is one of the easiest positions for rookies to make an impact at. If one shows great promise, he will see the field, and they will find playing time for him. Cotchery is not unreplaceable and Sanders is often hurt.

Slapstick
02-05-2013, 11:16 AM
Understand all that. And for that, Wallace is to blame. But the Haley offense did not take advantage of the abilities Wallace brings to the game. Here's the thing- name another team that will use the deep threat WR as a short crossing route WR.

In 2012, Torrey Smith of the SB Champion Ravens (How I hate writing that!) totaled 49 receptions...24 of those were thrown 1-10 yards from the line of scrimmage...half of his receptions...

It's more common than you seem to believe...

phillyesq
02-05-2013, 11:27 AM
However, don't underestimate a rookie WR's (or TE's) potential impact. It is one of the easiest positions for rookies to make an impact at. If one shows great promise, he will see the field, and they will find playing time for him. Cotchery is not unreplaceable and Sanders is often hurt.

I've always thought the opposite of WR. None of the first round WRs drafted this year had big numbers, though a few came on toward the end of the year. The Steelers last 2 first round WRs, Plax and Santonio, were awful as rookies (though Holmes did finish his rookie year well).

feltdizz
02-05-2013, 01:16 PM
cordarelle patterson may lack top end speed, but I never saw anyone catch him on the football field.

I suspect he will put up some outstanding #s at the combine.

+1

The guys is silky smooth... I would be hype if we got him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqzag6BTqS0

Oviedo
02-05-2013, 02:05 PM
+1

The guys is silky smooth... I would be hype if we got him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqzag6BTqS0

Love what I see he does with the ball after he catches it. Doesn't go down on first hit like Wallace. However, is it me or the video but does it seem to anyone lese that he catches the ball with his body a lot? Sort of like Wallace does.

RuthlessBurgher
02-05-2013, 02:54 PM
I don't know why Keenan Allen is being ranked as the #1 WR in this draft when it seems clear to me that Hopkins from Clemson dwarfed his #s.

Allen is a more impressive physical speciman than Hopkins. The difference in numbers is more likely due to the fact that Hopkins had a legit QB in Tajh Boyd throwing to him, while Allen had his sucky brother Zach Maynard as Cal's QB. Plus, Allen missed the final 3 games of the season with a knee injury. I like Hopkins, but he is more known for his route-running and hands, while Allen is a combination of size, speed, and quickness. I suspect that there may be some coaches who prefer what Hopkins brings to the table, but Allen probably has more scouts drooling.

feltdizz
02-05-2013, 03:01 PM
Love what I see he does with the ball after he catches it. Doesn't go down on first hit like Wallace. However, is it me or the video but does it seem to anyone lese that he catches the ball with his body a lot? Sort of like Wallace does.

Nah... he has good hands (college hands)..

his route running is questionable though...

papillon
02-05-2013, 03:48 PM
In the video he made a lot of catches with his body, the majority of them either shielding a defender or simply ensuring that he makes the catch because he was so wide open. When he needed to use his hands to make a catch he did. His vision of the field seems very good he found a lot extra yards avoiding defenders by running to open areas of the field and he looked very fluid in the open field at top speed making cuts. Punt returner and kick returner, he could have an immediate impact and upgrade Steeler special teams right away. I can't speak to his route running in that video he seemed wide open a lot, so that is either good route running or very poor defending. When he was covered (very few times) he battled for the ball. The other thing I liked was he flipped the ball to the ref and then only did some minor celebrating, that's a good sign, IMO.

The Steelers would do well to get him in Black and Gold for next year to begin to fill the void left by Wallace.

Pappy

Oviedo
02-05-2013, 04:54 PM
In the video he made a lot of catches with his body, the majority of them either shielding a defender or simply ensuring that he makes the catch because he was so wide open. When he needed to use his hands to make a catch he did. His vision of the field seems very good he found a lot extra yards avoiding defenders by running to open areas of the field and he looked very fluid in the open field at top speed making cuts. Punt returner and kick returner, he could have an immediate impact and upgrade Steeler special teams right away. I can't speak to his route running in that video he seemed wide open a lot, so that is either good route running or very poor defending. When he was covered (very few times) he battled for the ball. The other thing I liked was he flipped the ball to the ref and then only did some minor celebrating, that's a good sign, IMO.

The Steelers would do well to get him in Black and Gold for next year to begin to fill the void left by Wallace.

Pappy

Probably not so much bad defending as "defending scared" because they were afraid of the big play. He would thrive in practice against LeBeau's defense who play the same way.

phillyesq
02-05-2013, 05:44 PM
Probably not so much bad defending as "defending scared" because they were afraid of the big play. He would thrive in practice against LeBeau's defense who play the same way.

First in yards against the pass. Seventh in fewest passing TDs. First in average against. Sixth in completion percentage against.

They need more interceptions, but your criticisms of the pass defense and the secondary seem to be lacking in basis.

Oviedo
02-05-2013, 05:51 PM
First in yards against the pass. Seventh in fewest passing TDs. First in average against. Sixth in completion percentage against.

They need more interceptions, but your criticisms of the pass defense and the secondary seem to be lacking in basis.

They share in 8 losses for a non-play off team just like the offense. Interceptions and sacks are game changing plays and for three years in a row our numbers have gotten worse. You have little chance to intercept a pass when you are instructed to play off the WR and "tackle the catch." Those are the plays that win games not meaningless yardage statistics. So therefore there is a strong three year trend to provide a basis for my criticism.

phillyesq
02-05-2013, 06:36 PM
They share in 8 losses for a non-play off team just like the offense. Interceptions and sacks are game changing plays and for three years in a row our numbers have gotten worse. You have little chance to intercept a pass when you are instructed to play off the WR and "tackle the catch." Those are the plays that win games not meaningless yardage statistics. So therefore there is a strong three year trend to provide a basis for my criticism.

If the DBs for Denver played liked Lebeau's defense, we might be talking about Manning winning his second SB right now. More than just interceptions and sacks can change a game.

ikestops85
02-05-2013, 06:39 PM
They share in 8 losses for a non-play off team just like the offense. Interceptions and sacks are game changing plays and for three years in a row our numbers have gotten worse. You have little chance to intercept a pass when you are instructed to play off the WR and "tackle the catch." Those are the plays that win games not meaningless yardage statistics. So therefore there is a strong three year trend to provide a basis for my criticism.

I think we were 12-4 in 2010, 12-4 in 2011, and 8-8 in 2012. I see no coorelation between what you call a trend and how it relates to the number of wins. Lets look at sacks ... 48 in 2010, 35 in 2011, and 37 in 2012. Not really a downward trend since we have a slight uptick in 2012. Now let's look at fumble recoveries ... 24 in 2010, 10 in 2011, and 15 in 2012. Again not a downward trend. Now to interceptions ... 21 in 2010, 11 in 2011, and 10 in 2012. Finally we have come to a downward trend.

I think game changing plays are touchdowns scored by the Steelers. You have little chance to score if we can't run it in from the 1 yard line. In the last 3 years those numbers have gotten worse by your standards. Those are the plays that win games not holding opponents to measly point totals by our stellar defense. :roll:

NorthCoast
02-05-2013, 11:11 PM
In 2012, Torrey Smith of the SB Champion Ravens (How I hate writing that!) totaled 49 receptions...24 of those were thrown 1-10 yards from the line of scrimmage...half of his receptions...

It's more common than you seem to believe...


Agreed. The other stat that backs this is the avg pass yds/att by the top 10 QBs. They were down this season compared to the past. Teams don't want to risk getting their QBs killed by long-developing pass plays. Flacco was successful for the most part because his OL was pretty stout in the SB.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
02-06-2013, 12:30 PM
While the receivers are young and the offense is young there is room for a receiver to come in and get playing time if he comes to camp ready to work, both mentally and physically. Patterson, Allen or Rogers appear to be receivers that could get playing time immediately from Haley if they prove they're ready for the NFL mentally more than physically.

On the other hand, I believe the Steelers will draft a defensive player in round one, but wouldn't be surprised by WR or RB.

Pappy

Agree Pappy that a receiver can jump the line if he earns its by coming in ready. Neither Brown nor Sanders solidified their starting spot last season, and Cotch was not a starter. If we can draft a young stud who comes in on fire then he will get the chance.

NJ-STEELER
02-06-2013, 06:20 PM
Mocks are just a bunch of guys wishing they were GM's. Don't put too much stock in them.

That said- one thing to not overlook IF the Steelers go Defense in Round 1 is simply age. The age of the Offense, as a whole, is quite young. This can't be said on Defense. The Steelers don't draft 'starters' necessarily in the Draft- they select 'future starters'. Like it or not- the Steelers are committed to young players along the OL, at WR & at RB. Drafting more young players for these spots is almost like giving up on the ones they are developing. Where as on Defense, there are no young safeties of note, Keisel, Harrison, Taylor, Foote, Hampton... there's a lot of age there. Long term, it makes more sense for the Defense to get the prime young player this season.

i cant agree with that Chad. we have young high drafted back ups in place for keisel (heyward) harrison (worldis) ike (tez, allen..not drafted really high but playing well) foote (spence)

where are these high drafted guys on offense?? our best rb AND MOST PRODUCTIVE wWR over the last few years are not likely to be back. we only have below average players (IMO) to step in and start for them sanders/ dwyer/redman

hawaiiansteel
02-07-2013, 02:35 AM
Steelers Sunday Spotlight: Speed kills (and so does the lack of it)

February 3, 2013
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

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If, as expected, Mike Wallace leaves in free agency, there will be no easy -- or inexpensive -- way to replace his speed.

In a season gone bad, few positions took the blame as hard as did the Steelers' receivers. The Young Money crew underperformed, dropped passes and fumbles that could have salvaged two or three victories and turned 8-8 into a playoff team. Yet somewhat lost by the end in the disappointing play of Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders, was the fact that one receiver had one of the best seasons at his position in the history of the franchise.

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Tight end Heath Miller starred through all of it. He caught 71 passes for 816 yards to lead the team in both categories. His eight touchdowns tied Wallace for the team lead and his 50 points, counting a two-point conversion, led all position players. He won the team's most valuable player award by a landslide.

Miller has more receptions 408 than any tight end in team history and ranks third overall.

Yet typical of the Steelers' 2012 season, Miller was severely injured in the next-to-final game Dec. 23 against Cincinnati. He left with two torn knee ligaments that required surgery, the ACL and MCL, and damage to the PCL that will heal on its own.

So the Steelers are left with one more major blow to their collection of receivers entering 2013. They do not know when Miller will be ready to play again. Rashard Mendenhall had ACL surgery after last season and missed the first three games of 2012. What do the Steelers do while they wait for Miller to return? David Paulson had a nice rookie season as Miller's backup, and since they will not find another close to Miller's ability without drafting him on the first round, they are likely to go with Paulson and fill in from there until Miller is ready.

Losing their leading receiver for untold stretches to start the next season would be a setback under any circumstances. They're likely to lose another, Wallace. He went from Pro Bowl receiver to third on the team with 64 receptions and a career-low 13.1-yard average per catch. His contract holdout throughout the spring and preseason turned off some in the front office and the coaching staff.

Now he is an unrestricted free agent and it appears Wallace and the Steelers will part ways in March. They gave him their best offer last year, reportedly averaging $10 million annually over five years, and he turned it down. They stopped negotiating with Wallace once camp started and he did not show up, and quickly turned their attention to Brown. He signed a five-year contract for $42.5 million that included an $8.5 million signing bonus.

Essentially, Brown's contract signaled the end of Wallace's career in Pittsburgh.

So here is what they have left: Brown, Sanders and Jerricho Cotchery. That strike much fear into the Baltimore Ravens' secondary?

Brown, the team's MVP in 2011, became their MDP in 2012, most disappointing player. A Pro Bowl return man the previous season, he averaged just 6.8 yards on 27 punt returns and did not return a kickoff. He did finish second on the team with 66 receptions and scored five touchdowns, but his bobbles seemed more memorable.

With the Steelers ahead by seven in the fourth quarter in Dallas, Brown fumbled on a punt return at his 44. Not only did that ruin an excellent opportunity to go up by double figures, the Cowboys tied the game on that series. Brown also possibly cost the Steelers a victory in Oakland when, up 31-28, he caught a medium-range pass over the middle but was stripped of the ball at the Raiders 45 with 10:45 left in the game. He fumbled four times during the season, recovering one of his own for a TD in Oakland. He did not fumble at all in 2011.

Sanders, who enters the year as a restricted free agent, caught 44 passes for a team-high 14.2-yard average, but he, too, had problems with drops and injuries.

Even if Brown bounces back to 2011 form, the problem for the Steelers is that both he and Sanders have similar styles. Their strengths are their quickness and their ability to gain yards after the catch, but they are not going to cause defenses to worry about their deep routes. Cotchery is a good possession receiver.

What the Steelers need is to find another Wallace, someone with the kind of speed and ability that makes him a deep threat and will not permit the secondary to contract. They do not have that anywhere on their roster and it will be a priority for them. Since paying for a proven receiver in free agency is out of the question, they will have to locate one in the draft.

California's Keenan Allen is generally regarded as the best prospect, perhaps even a top-15 pick. He is 6-3, 210 and while he does not have Wallace-like speed, he has enough to get deep, especially for his size. He is mending from a left knee injury to the PCL.

Another likely first-round pick is Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson, who also is 6-3 and weighs 205. He's not as polished as Allen and has only 4.46 speed.

The only wide receiver the Steelers have drafted in the first round in the past dozen years was Santonio Holmes in 2006. They have shown a good ability to find them in the later rounds, and they may have to do it again in this year's draft.

No matter where they get him, they need to add a receiver who can get open deep, something every team in the NFL wants.

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hawaiiansteel
02-07-2013, 03:31 PM
What Did The Mike Wallace Holdout Prove To The Steelers Or His Free Agency Last Season?

February 6, 2013
By LG

Mike Wallace certainly didnít do a lot to prove his case, did he? He wanted the same kind of money that Larry Fitzgerald was making. Wallace decided to hold out and play hard ball with the Rooney family. Then he comes into camp and has his second worst season since coming to the Steelers. Wallace caught 64 passes for 836 yards. I know what youíre thinking, he did catch 4 more passes than his 2010 season, but his yards were what I am talking about when I say his second worst season.

Wallace should have come into camp and went out and played like a warrior who couldnít be stopped last season. He made a fool out of himself holding out for the kind of money he wanted. Then to have a mediocre season and not helping the Steelers the way he should have isnít exactly speaking loud for his cause to make more money. If other teams were smart and you know they are, they would take a hard look at the way Wallace played for the Steelers in 2012.

He could have had a better season and he dropped a lot of passes that Mike Wallace would have caught earlier in his career. I am not saying Wallace is done in football. I am saying he still doesnít deserve the kind of money he thinks he does. Wallace still has to prove himself. Wallace finished the 2012 season ranked 34th on the receiving list. That isnít exactly placing him in the upper class of NFL receivers is it. He is 1,128 yards away form the top ranked receiver in the NFL and 514 yards away from being a top ten receiver.

Wallace proved one thing in the 2012 season. He proved he is for himself and not the team. If he was for his team he would have his butt into camp and produced the kind of season a winner produces. Wallace didnít do that in 2012 and for a guy who is going to test the free agent market, he should have.

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