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steelerkeylargo
01-28-2013, 05:19 PM
from Clemson. This kid is a Jamaal Charles clone. We all know how Haley loved utilizing Charles in his scheme. Watch for him in the second round.

Oviedo
01-28-2013, 05:27 PM
Don't know anything about him. Got any details?

steelerkeylargo
01-28-2013, 05:44 PM
Played behind C.J. Spiller as a frosh. Split time with Jamie Harper as a soph. Is an electric player with great burst and speed. Not a tckle breaker bt has very good speed and vision. Think LaMichael James.

phillyesq
01-28-2013, 05:55 PM
Played behind C.J. Spiller as a frosh. Split time with Jamie Harper as a soph. Is an electric player with great burst and speed. Not a tckle breaker bt has very good speed and vision. Think LaMichael James.

Interesting. A guy like that could really add a nice dimension to the Steelers offense.

lloydroid
01-28-2013, 06:19 PM
You would take him over Lacy? I wouldn't. Half of these smallish speed guys never cut it. You just don't know until they are in the league. The best ever smallish back was James Brooks - 180 lbs but was still an every down back that could run through traffic (something Rainy could not do) and take it to the house. He played for SD and Cinci. I recall him blowing the doors off Rod Woodson, of all people.

NW Steeler
01-28-2013, 06:46 PM
I am definitely wary of the scat-back type. The kid from Florida - Gillislee - is about as small as I would like to see the Steelers draft.

lloydroid
01-28-2013, 06:59 PM
I am definitely wary of the scat-back type. The kid from Florida - Gillislee - is about as small as I would like to see the Steelers draft.

He doesn't burst of the screen or anything. I think at the NFL level he won't be that good. But this dude....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrnpAK4n5Y

Chadman
01-28-2013, 07:06 PM
I am definitely wary of the scat-back type. The kid from Florida - Gillislee - is about as small as I would like to see the Steelers draft.

Gillislee does everything you can ask for him & he can help in pass blocking. He'd be the 3rd down RB right away, and quite possibly take a few carries off Dwyer/Redman. He's a perfect pickup.

supersteeler
01-28-2013, 09:13 PM
I have Le'Veon Bell on my mock, we probably could get him in the 4th, he's a tough runner and probably could start for us.

supersteeler
01-28-2013, 09:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdqefoG02kM

steelerkeylargo
01-29-2013, 02:36 AM
You would take him over Lacy? I wouldn't. Half of these smallish speed guys never cut it. You just don't know until they are in the league. The best ever smallish back was James Brooks - 180 lbs but was still an every down back that could run through traffic (something Rainy could not do) and take it to the house. He played for SD and Cinci. I recall him blowing the doors off Rod Woodson, of all people.

Obviously not if you look at my mock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mister Pittsburgh
01-29-2013, 09:41 AM
Anyone have any information on Isi Sofele, RB from Cal? Saw some video of him and for being 5'8" he weighs 200+ lbs. low center of gravity and ran hard with a burst.

He is projected as an UDFA but looks interesting.

Keyplay1
01-29-2013, 06:00 PM
Found this youtube vid andre ellington vs auburn. It sort of killed 2 birds with one stone. #23 is AE and he is having a big day. But of course this is a vid featuring him. If I was interested in #23 I would be looking for vids where Clemson got smashed and see how he did in those type games.

Meanwhile #55 is Corey Lemonier and he appears on screen at times seems to be watching the action.



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#55 4.78



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#23 4.32

Hey, if they don't get Lacy they have to get someone. I'm with the group that does not think Mendenhall will be here next year. Even though there was an article in the Trib the other day hinting the opposite.

Incidentally, I saw a vid from Pro Football Weekly talking about RB's. They mentioned only 3. Ellington was #2, sandwiched between Lacy and the Wisconsin back Ball.

I saw in another thread someone was real high on Johnathan Franklin UCLA. I am now looking for a video showing UCLA vs Nebraska. I would like to take a look at Rex Burkhead. Sort of KTBirdsWOS again.:smile: I really have no idea what to look for in evaluating these backs but it is fun.



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#23 4.40



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Rex Burkhead (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664452/rex-burkhead)
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#22 4.42

This is the address of the AE vid. Maybe the link works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TbowLHph4A

Chadman
01-29-2013, 06:35 PM
If the Steelers are after a feature back in the mold of Jamaal Charles, would Oklahoma's Joseph Randle suit? He does a bit of everything and has competed at a high level, as a 2nd round pick- would he be worth a look?

Mister Pittsburgh
01-29-2013, 06:58 PM
Video of Isi Sofele's 190 yds rushing vs Oregon State.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=JaKYDhwSPgU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJaKYDhwSPgU

Keyplay1
01-30-2013, 07:20 AM
Hard to believe Isi S is ranked 496. I can't see the difference between him and most of the top ranked 2 to 10. As a matter of fact, the one that I liked the way he moved was Montel Harris who was ranked just a smidge above Isi S. I suppose it because they are 5' 8".


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Those times are probably unofficial. That is at least one good thing about the combine and pro days if nothing else, at least the info on the player is accurate. Both these very low ranked players are in the short video. I put the address maybe the link will work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=EKUl-glcwQk&feature=endscreen

Mister Pittsburgh
01-30-2013, 09:34 AM
Yeah, not sure on the rankings. Like you said, the combine and pro days reveal a lot. I thought that even if we did go on a RB early in the draft, if Sofele is an UDFA it would be nice to lure him here. Put a little more weigh and muscle on him and he could be a 5'8" pinball.

steelblood
01-30-2013, 10:31 AM
Obviously not if you look at my mock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keylargo, why Lacy over Bernard?

steelerkeylargo
01-30-2013, 11:30 AM
Keylargo, why Lacy over Bernard?

Lacy has done it versus the best competition. He has low mileage too, which I know Colbert loves.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-30-2013, 11:43 AM
I wonder where Alfred Morris ranks? Oh wait, he went in the sixth round last year and went for 1,600 yards last year. IMO RB is the toughest position to grade because it can be so dependant on the players in front of you. For example - Do we know that Lacy is good because he did it against the best competition? Or do we not know because he got to run behind 5 guys who were pounding the D into submission for 60 minutes?

I remember when Ron Dayne came out and was drafted in the first round after piling up big numbers at Wisconsin. Any time I had seen the guy play I saw him rumbling through holes that 4 RBs could have run through side-by-side. Even looking back at the Mendenhall college tapes I saw him running untouched much of the time.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-30-2013, 12:52 PM
I wonder where Alfred Morris ranks? Oh wait, he went in the sixth round last year and went for 1,600 yards last year. IMO RB is the toughest position to grade because it can be so dependant on the players in front of you. For example - Do we know that Lacy is good because he did it against the best competition? Or do we not know because he got to run behind 5 guys who were pounding the D into submission for 60 minutes?

I remember when Ron Dayne came out and was drafted in the first round after piling up big numbers at Wisconsin. Any time I had seen the guy play I saw him rumbling through holes that 4 RBs could have run through side-by-side. Even looking back at the Mendenhall college tapes I saw him running untouched much of the time.

Good points, and I was wondering the same. If you have a terrific offensive line, even if you are playing against the best in the country, a hole is a hole.

ikestops85
01-30-2013, 01:28 PM
Good points, and I was wondering the same. If you have a terrific offensive line, even if you are playing against the best in the country, a hole is a hole.

Spoken like a typical guy. :shock: :lol:

supersteeler
01-30-2013, 02:09 PM
We need a feature back no doubt but we also need openings for that back, he can't run without the blocks, so maybe this is where Hal Hunter comes into play. Where's the tape when Redman and Dwyer both had 100 yrd. games, and who was starting on that line at the time?

RuthlessBurgher
01-30-2013, 02:53 PM
Keylargo, why Lacy over Bernard?

I thought I was the only one here who liked Bernard more than Lacy. To me, getting Bernard would be like adding a Shady McCoy type of dynamic talent to our backfield. Lacy was dominant in the championship game, no doubt, but I think most draftworthy RB's would look awesome behind Warmack/Jones/Fluker/etc. I just don't see that special elite quality in Lacy like I saw in Trent Richardson. I think Lacy could be what Bam Morris might have been on this level (if he didn't screw everything up, of course).

lloydroid
01-30-2013, 02:59 PM
I wonder where Alfred Morris ranks? Oh wait, he went in the sixth round last year and went for 1,600 yards last year. IMO RB is the toughest position to grade because it can be so dependant on the players in front of you. For example - Do we know that Lacy is good because he did it against the best competition? Or do we not know because he got to run behind 5 guys who were pounding the D into submission for 60 minutes?

I remember when Ron Dayne came out and was drafted in the first round after piling up big numbers at Wisconsin. Any time I had seen the guy play I saw him rumbling through holes that 4 RBs could have run through side-by-side. Even looking back at the Mendenhall college tapes I saw him running untouched much of the time.

Most teams were weary of Dayne, which is why the #1 rusher in the entire history of college history didn't go early in the first round. You'd think the #1 back of all time would be a top 5 pick, but he wasn't. Why? Because he was simply too slow for the NFL, blocking or not. In the NFL everyone on the field can fly on D. He simply took hits early and often by dudes who could smack any RB, however big. Plus he ran too upright, further allowing too many direct shots. Not only did he not thrive in the NFL, he wasn't even worthy of being on a roster. Lacy, on the other hand, is more nimble and puts up huge yards after contact #s up. It's not where near as easy to put a direct shot on him, unlike Dayne.

Oviedo
01-30-2013, 03:00 PM
I thought I was the only one here who liked Bernard more than Lacy. To me, getting Bernard would be like adding a Shady McCoy type of dynamic talent to our backfield. Lacy was dominant in the championship game, no doubt, but I think most draftworthy RB's would look awesome behind Warmack/Jones/Fluker/etc. I just don't see that special elite quality in Lacy like I saw in Trent Richardson. I think Lacy could be what Bam Morris might have been on this level (if he didn't screw everything up, of course).

I'd also take Bernard over Lacy, however either would be an improvement over what we have.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-30-2013, 03:17 PM
We need a feature back no doubt but we also need openings for that back, he can't run without the blocks, so maybe this is where Hal Hunter comes into play. Where's the tape when Redman and Dwyer both had 100 yrd. games, and who was starting on that line at the time?

We didn't hire Hal Hunter....

Mister Pittsburgh
01-30-2013, 03:19 PM
All this talk about the RB vs. the OL...just solidifies my thoughts that I would have no issue adding a stud OT if available at 17. If somehow Eric Fisher is there at 17 he has to be the pick. I'm not sure if I would say the same about Warmack. I'm not a fan of the extremely overweight type OL.

supersteeler
01-30-2013, 03:36 PM
We didn't hire Hal Hunter....

My bad, I thought we did, oh, its Jack Bicknell Jr.

lloydroid
01-30-2013, 03:49 PM
Lacy is a step better than Bam was, even if Bam wasn't high. Lacy has a much better ability for YACs then did Bam. Look at how many YACs Lacy has, and those have little or nothing to do with his OL. He has a nice combination of quickness, fluidity and power. Bam was more of a straight ahead pounder with little moves. Lacy had a good deal of moves and spins (not overboard spins like Mendenspin).

supersteeler
01-30-2013, 04:30 PM
Lacy is a step better than Bam was, even if Bam wasn't high. Lacy has a much better ability for YACs then did Bam. Look at how many YACs Lacy has, and those have little or nothing to do with his OL. He has a nice combination of quickness, fluidity and power. Bam was more of a straight ahead pounder with little moves. Lacy had a good deal of moves and spins (not overboard spins like Mendenspin).


Lacy won't be playing the ND's of the world when he 's in the NFL, besides he had a dominate O-line in college two first rounders on Bama's line so that helped him.

lloydroid
01-30-2013, 05:02 PM
Lacy won't be playing the ND's of the world when he 's in the NFL, besides he had a dominate O-line in college two first rounders on Bama's line so that helped him.

What, you mean the only decent game Lacy had was vs. ND? Oh wait, he played in - by FAR - the toughest div. in all of college football. How many players from the SEC will make the NFL? Boatloads. Lacy had to rush against LSU, GA, FL etc. Fo wheel. Get wit it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrnpAK4n5Y

supersteeler
01-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Lacy is a good back, I won't deny that, but there is a difference between college and Pro. Hey, if we get him I wouldn't mind at all however we better fix the run blocking first or we would waste his talent.
Now if you want to add a package deal with Lacy and Womack then were talking.....Bidness!

RuthlessBurgher
01-30-2013, 05:25 PM
Fo wheel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg

lloydroid
01-30-2013, 05:55 PM
Lacy is a good back, I won't deny that, but there is a difference between college and Pro. Hey, if we get him I wouldn't mind at all however we better fix the run blocking first or we would waste his talent.
Now if you want to add a package deal with Lacy and Womack then were talking.....Bidness!

Oh no eee di int. If that happened I'd just crap myself. I don't think either one will happen. I think Lacy will be gone by our 2nd pick and I don't see them going RB in the first round. But if we got Womack and Lacy, that would make the draft alone! Fo wheel. Git wit it.

Chadman
01-30-2013, 06:17 PM
Having watched a bit of Lacy's highlights, one thing that stands out is how often he isn't hit in the backfield.

Now, this can be viewed 2 ways- it could be that Lacy is great at finding open space, that his vision is impeccable & that he just sees the field that well.

Which is possible.

But that OL of his is outstanding at the college level. His lack of contact behind the line is more likely a result of the 5 big guys in front of him.

The reason Chadman brings that up is, Lacy is a 'big guy'. When a big guy gets some momentum, he becomes much harder to stop, particularly 1 on 1. So watching Lacy bust through his first tackle after he's run 8 or so yards & has his top speed going, is not really surprising.

Thing is, that won't happen in the NFL, at least- not consistantly. How is he without momentum?

The second way to look at it is this- is he much different from what is already on the roster? If you put Redman or Dwyer behind a dominant line like Alabama- how would they go? Both are 'big guys' that, with momentum, are hard to stop.

This is not a post bagging Lacy, who looks like a good power runner. But in a game where you want to keep your opposition guessing as to the next move, is having 3 RB's that essentially do the same job, good roster management?

Slapstick
01-30-2013, 07:03 PM
What, you mean the only decent game Lacy had was vs. ND? Oh wait, he played in - by FAR - the toughest div. in all of college football.

This is a fallacy...the SEC is composed of a few really good "haves" and a whole bunch of "have nots"...

Take a look at the relative strength of schedule comparisons...the numbers bear that out...

ikestops85
01-31-2013, 11:28 AM
Oh no eee di int. If that happened I'd just crap myself. I don't think either one will happen. I think Lacy will be gone by our 2nd pick and I don't see them going RB in the first round. But if we got Womack and Lacy, that would make the draft alone! Fo wheel. Git wit it.

I remember us saying that after day 1 of the draft where we picked Mendenhall and Sweed. Even all the talking heads gave us an A+ for day 1 of that draft. How'd that work out for us? :wink:

papillon
01-31-2013, 01:08 PM
I liked what I saw in Lacy the two times I watched him play this year. You can only make a judgment based on what you see on the field. The one thing for sure is that he will be playing against better defenders and tacklers next year in the NFL. So, what I liked about him when I saw him play this year was that he almost always fell forward, he delivered blows and he seemed to have excellent vision and game sense.

What I didn't like was his propensity to spin in a similar fashion to Mendenhall and he seemed to enjoy a lot of running room provided to him by the offensive line (he probably won't get that from the Steeler line).

If he's on the board in round one and he's rated as BPA, I'd take him, if not, then I wouldn't. He'll be gone by 2.49 IMO.

Pappy

RuthlessBurgher
01-31-2013, 01:37 PM
If he's on the board in round one and he's rated as BPA, I'd take him

In this draft, no RB is BPA where we pick in the mid-first. I wouldn't be surprised if no RB's are selected at all in the first this year.

steelerkeylargo
01-31-2013, 03:19 PM
It's funny that the youtube highlight video of Eddie Lacy I posted was removed even though I clearly stated that the background music had profanity in it and not to watch around children. However the exact same video can be viewed in this thread a few posts up from this one. I guess I shouldn't have mentioned viewer discretion is advised. :confused:

Keyplay1
01-31-2013, 04:39 PM
He doesn't burst of the screen or anything. I think at the NFL level he won't be that good. But this dude....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrnpAK4n5Y

A terrific vid no doubt. But the concern of some is valid. Running behind an OL with 2-3 or more 1st rd types--?? Actually this concern could be helpful. He might be around in the 2nd, Highly probably a move up might be needed.

But that is not what the reply is about. When the vid finished. I noticed in the top left corner of the other vids was one called "Top RB's of College FB 2013". This was the video I posted in one of the posts.

There were like 15-20 backs shown with a play or two just to get a look at how they moved anyhow. All of them have some positives. But none really had it all other than the one in your vid.

I started 3 posts listing all of them with their rankings and times plus some other info. Then I sort of made a comment on each of them. But cancelled each time 3/4ths of the way through. Since really a play or two is not really enough. [I had already looked at several vids on the top 10 or so backs earlier]

But the vid makers idea was very good. Too bad he did not go just a bit further. I really think 3 or 4 plays on each back would be enough. 1. Showing them breaking away on a big run[which is there for all] 2. One showing smashing with power into heavy traffic which he did not and 3. Another showing them flaring out for a pass. 4. Any generally interesting play. [maybe even blocking]


But still as it is, it still is interesting to watch these players side by side so to speak and compare styles and other things. Take a look.

Joseph Randle, Malcolm Brown, Montel Harris, Andre Ellington, Giovani Bernard,Ray Graham, John White/Utah, Isi Sofele, Stepfan Taylor, LeVeon Bell,
Rex Burkhead, Montee Ball, Silas Redd, Zac Stacy, Knile Davis, Henry Josey, Marcus Lattimore, Eddie Lacy, Isaiah Crowell and Christine Michael. Too bad he did not include Mike Gillislee, Johnathan Franklin and Robbie Rouse who all did very well in the Senior Bowl. Also he probably omitted this years Morris.:D

Keyplay1
01-31-2013, 05:07 PM
I just noticed something. In an earlier thread I posted some info on Montel Harris from cbs/nflds rankings. He was one of those UDFA types you just throw in.



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Anyway, today I looked at draftcountdown to see what is going on there and it seems Montel has grown a bit since Tuesday.



20. Montel Harris (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/RB/Montel-Harris.php)
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This player probably will not be drafted but I was surprised to see DCD having him listed in range. He got a lot faster too.

Chadman
01-31-2013, 05:46 PM
A terrific vid no doubt. But the concern of some is valid. Running behind an OL with 2-3 or more 1st rd types--?? Actually this concern could be helpful. He might be around in the 2nd, Highly probably a move up might be needed.

But that is not what the reply is about. When the vid finished. I noticed in the top left corner of the other vids was one called "Top RB's of College FB 2013". This was the video I posted in one of the posts.

There were like 15-20 backs shown with a play or two just to get a look at how they moved anyhow. All of them have some positives. But none really had it all other than the one in your vid.

I started 3 posts listing all of them with their rankings and times plus some other info. Then I sort of made a comment on each of them. But cancelled each time 3/4ths of the way through. Since really a play or two is not really enough. [I had already looked at several vids on the top 10 or so backs earlier]

But the vid makers idea was very good. Too bad he did not go just a bit further. I really think 3 or 4 plays on each back would be enough. 1. Showing them breaking away on a big run[which is there for all] 2. One showing smashing with power into heavy traffic which he did not and 3. Another showing them flaring out for a pass. 4. Any generally interesting play. [maybe even blocking]


But still as it is, it still is interesting to watch these players side by side so to speak and compare styles and other things. Take a look.

Joseph Randle, Malcolm Brown, Montel Harris, Andre Ellington, Giovani Bernard,Ray Graham, John White/Utah, Isi Sofele, Stepfan Taylor, LeVeon Bell,
Rex Burkhead, Montee Ball, Silas Redd, Zac Stacy, Knile Davis, Henry Josey, Marcus Lattimore, Eddie Lacy, Isaiah Crowell and Christine Michael. Too bad he did not include Mike Gillislee, Johnathan Franklin and Robbie Rouse who all did very well in the Senior Bowl. Also he probably omitted this years Morris.:D

Good point about the vid- great idea putting together a collection of players so that you don't have to troll around looking.

3 RB's stand out to Chadman at this point- Mike Gillislee, Andre Ellington & Joseph Randle. All offer something the Steelers don't have, and all have the ability to impact a game with their play.

Chadman see's Ellington bulked up from 190lbs to 197lbs. That's a good sign going into the NFL- 190lbs is too small. Ideally, if he could get to around 205lbs, that seems to be about the mark for guys to be physically able to continually pound the football.

NorthCoast
02-02-2013, 10:54 AM
I liked what I saw in Lacy the two times I watched him play this year. You can only make a judgment based on what you see on the field. The one thing for sure is that he will be playing against better defenders and tacklers next year in the NFL. So, what I liked about him when I saw him play this year was that he almost always fell forward, he delivered blows and he seemed to have excellent vision and game sense.

What I didn't like was his propensity to spin in a similar fashion to Mendenhall and he seemed to enjoy a lot of running room provided to him by the offensive line (he probably won't get that from the Steeler line).

If he's on the board in round one and he's rated as BPA, I'd take him, if not, then I wouldn't. He'll be gone by 2.49 IMO.

Pappy

You hit my thoughts spot on Pappy. Shades of Spindenhall on some runs. But not shy of contact and has good body lean. Steelers have a real need for a low center of gravity RB but with quick feet to make a tackler miss. None on the roster right now.