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supersteeler
01-25-2013, 08:00 AM
I have my own opinion on this but before I explain it, it seems some fans would like to run him out of town thinking they can replace him through the draft easily. Of all the players that the Steelers won't sign or release, I really believe larry has the best chance to stay.
Spence from what I'm hearing isn't fully recovered from his injury and the one he sustained is a serious one that could impact his pro career. Even if he rebounds, he still has no experience and I would think the Steelers would play him mainly on special teams and possibly alternate with either Foote or Sylvester.

I don't think the Steelers are too thrilled with Sylvester, so it looks like ILB will be one of our draft picks. There is some uncertainty whether Spence will recover, their opinion on Slyvester which leads me to believe Larry will be back for one more season.

Larry won't wow anyone with his coverage skills but he still was decent in other duties of that position, led the team in tackles, had 4 sacks and I think he picked one off. I think the Steelers plan was to have spence play special teams and groom him for the ILB spot by alternating with him later in the season to see if he was their answer. They did that with Farrior his last season, alternating with Foote.

Larry still wants to play and he wants to play here, if it doesn't pan out for him he'll retire. I think he'll accept a one year contract offer and most likely remain here as the Steelers want some kind of stability there until a new guy is able to take over.

#50 Good Luck!

Chucktownsteeler
01-25-2013, 08:02 AM
He stayed healthy last season, knows the defense, and has a cap friendly contract. Spence may still not be 100% from injury.

No brainer, he stays.

flippy
01-25-2013, 09:59 AM
Stays

Larry's the most underrated guy on the team. He's not the biggest, fastest, or strongest guy on the field. But he might be the smartest. I think Spence needs to learn from him. When we drafted Spence, I thought he's Larry Foote with speed and power. I even think we can get a couple more years out of Larry and when Spence takes over, Foote can backup both ILB positions.

Another point to consider - how many guys on this team have the personality to be a leader? Larry's one of the few and I wouldn't take him out of the locker room for that reason alone.

phillyesq
01-25-2013, 10:31 AM
Foote is a free agent and I would retain him on a qualified veteran contract, which would give him a very minimal cap hit. Larry Foote has his deficiencies, but he knows the defense well and at times played very well last year.

The Steelers typically don't go into the draft with glaring holes on the roster. Resigning Foote does not preclude the Steelers from drafting a linebacker high, and a young linebacker, either Spence or a new draft pick, could learn a lot from Foote.

steelfin
01-25-2013, 10:39 AM
I think he stays for another year...I don't think we have a replacement at this point.

Spence missed the entire year and from what I understand his injury was severe. Who knows if he will be ready to play next season....

Sylvester cant seem to stay healthy.

SidSmythe
01-25-2013, 11:30 AM
Stays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (there now my message is over 10 letters)

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
01-25-2013, 11:52 AM
You would like to have him here. Will he sign a 1 year? Maybe he is looking for a multi year. Given his tenure...Can the Steelers afford a vet min in the 1 mil range? There is a roster credit for vet salaries but I think it is also beyond the dollars given the situation.

Here is what I think. This holds true for many of the Steelers UFA. Guys like Starks, Pope, Burress, Hampton, Johnson, Foote, Allen, & Mundy won't be signed by the Steelers leading up to the draft unless they are dirt cheap. In years past it was the opposite. They would Fill holes before draft. Don't forget, a player's min is based on accrued years. They already have a min contract amount attached to them. So they know where signing them will scale out.

How the draft falls impacts many of the above names. The Steelers will get their current roster, draft choices, & UDFA through mini camp. They will evalaute those players & the health of Spence & Miller. Spence & Miller both might be PUP players. Then the second wave of FA will start and that is when the decision will be made.

I think their 51 will be low balled without vets (March). This needs to be done for RFA & so they could get Lewis locked up (Pre Darft). After they do that, the Steelers will see where they are at. We all assume Wallace, Mendy, & Foster are as good as gone. It may be getting to this point where the Steelers will know even if they CAN afford any of them. They may also be all of the market. No matter what happens, after an 8-8 year with several years of paying for a winning aging vet core...You have to get the young guys on the field. In my opinion, there is no other direction to go at this point.


Best way I could sum up the Steelers situation right now? Excluding Roethlisberger......

Every player over 30 is a stone and every player in their twenties is air in the raft.

SteelBucks
01-25-2013, 11:59 AM
Stays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (there now my message is over 10 letters)

Annoying, isn't it? :)

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 01:05 PM
Go...please go!! Having the most tackles on the team means very little to me when he is usually getting those tackles 5-8 yards deep into Steeler territory. The missed tackles and the blow coverages stick out more to me. I personally do not want mediocrity at the center of the Steelers defense. That's just me. And I believe that if there was viable run stuffer next to Timmons, LeBeau would be more inclined to turn Timmons loose more often. Big picture.

Oviedo
01-25-2013, 01:11 PM
We need to quit hanging onto these players until all four wheels fall off. When the first wheel gets wobbly we need to get rid of them. Get young players out on the field and see what they can do so we can make informed decisions about whether they are part of the solution or the problem and make informed personnel decisions going forward.

Long way to say good bye Larry

supersteeler
01-25-2013, 01:21 PM
We need to quit hanging onto these players until all four wheels fall off. When the first wheel gets wobbly we need to get rid of them. Get young players out on the field and see what they can do so we can make informed decisions about whether they are part of the solution or the problem and make informed personnel decisions going forward.

Long way to say good bye Larry

I get what your saying Ovi, but after Foote, there isn't a ILB that even has a wheel on our roster. Spence may not come back and even if he did not enough experience. Sylvester is the next man up after foote but he hasn't shown much and often injured.
Foote may not have the skills he once had but he offers stability and could help groom his replacement.

Gone? Nope, he'll be here and it won't cost us too much.

phillyesq
01-25-2013, 01:37 PM
I get what your saying Ovi, but after Foote, there isn't a ILB that even has a wheel on our roster. Spence may not come back and even if he did not enough experience. Sylvester is the next man up after foote but he hasn't shown much and often injured.
Foote may not have the skills he once had but he offers stability and could help groom his replacement.

Gone? Nope, he'll be here and it won't cost us too much.

Exactly - in theory, it sounds great to play a young player, but in reality, you actually have to find somebody worth playing.

phillyesq
01-25-2013, 01:38 PM
Go...please go!! Having the most tackles on the team means very little to me when he is usually getting those tackles 5-8 yards deep into Steeler territory. The missed tackles and the blow coverages stick out more to me. I personally do not want mediocrity at the center of the Steelers defense. That's just me. And I believe that if there was viable run stuffer next to Timmons, LeBeau would be more inclined to turn Timmons loose more often. Big picture.

Dub, I agree with your point in the long run, but in the short term, the Steelers need to have somebody play ILB.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 01:56 PM
Dub, I agree with your point in the long run, but in the short term, the Steelers need to have somebody play ILB.

They need to trust young players. Young players are coming into the league and performing right away. Yes there will be some growing pains but if you get a talented one they can off set that with it. Kevin Minter played in a 3-4. He could come in right away and perform at a high level. I also think Manti Te'o could as well. A 4 year starter goes a long way.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
01-25-2013, 02:23 PM
They need to trust young players. Young players are coming into the league and performing right away. Yes there will be some growing pains but if you get a talented one they can off set that with it. Kevin Minter played in a 3-4. He could come in right away and perform at a high level. I also think Manti Te'o could as well. A 4 year starter goes a long way.


Dub and I share the same feelings about young players. It really has boiled to the surface given the Steelers current situation. Nobody knows what Foote is looking for. Put yourself in his shoes. Is he looking for his last 2-3 year deal to close out his career? Will he play for a vet min of 1 mil? Is he worth anything more than that? I think it is simple. You take your chance on Foote when FA begins...Let his test the market. Spence may start the year on PUP so you open the competition. You tender Sylvester. You draft an ILB. You go to mini camp & camp and have Sylvester, Rolle, and the rookie battle it out. If coming out of camp, someone doesn't emerge as a starter...Foote may be on the street. He doesn't need a camp and he steps right in. The Steelers can't afford luxuries anymore...The young guys have become necessities when the year ended 8-8.

phillyesq
01-25-2013, 02:26 PM
They need to trust young players. Young players are coming into the league and performing right away. Yes there will be some growing pains but if you get a talented one they can off set that with it. Kevin Minter played in a 3-4. He could come in right away and perform at a high level. I also think Manti Te'o could as well. A 4 year starter goes a long way.

I agree with what you are saying, and think if the Steelers spend a premium pick on an ILB that he will be starting by week 8. But if the draft works out as you have it in your mock, with an OLB, WR and FS picked early (or include a RB, CB, OG, etc.) then you need somebody at ILB.

I would not feel comfortable going into a season with just Spence penciled in, and think that Foote (especially on a qualified vet deal) provides a valuable and potentially low-cost insurance policy.

Oviedo
01-25-2013, 02:43 PM
They need to trust young players. Young players are coming into the league and performing right away. Yes there will be some growing pains but if you get a talented one they can off set that with it. Kevin Minter played in a 3-4. He could come in right away and perform at a high level. I also think Manti Te'o could as well. A 4 year starter goes a long way.


$$$$$ Trust the young guys and they could surprise you that they can get the job done. Other teams seem to have far less issues than we do getting young players time on the field and the old excuse about stars playing in front of them doesn't sell anymore. Foote ain't and bnever was a star. He is a journeyman plain and simple.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 03:03 PM
I agree with what you are saying, and think if the Steelers spend a premium pick on an ILB that he will be starting by week 8. But if the draft works out as you have it in your mock, with an OLB, WR and FS picked early (or include a RB, CB, OG, etc.) then you need somebody at ILB.

I would not feel comfortable going into a season with just Spence penciled in, and think that Foote (especially on a qualified vet deal) provides a valuable and potentially low-cost insurance policy.

I am doing that in my mock because I think the Steelers, like they always have done, will draft highest rated player on their board regardless of when he will be ready.

phillyesq
01-25-2013, 03:17 PM
I am doing that in my mock because I think the Steelers, like they always have done, will draft highest rated player on their board regardless of when he will be ready.

I'm not questioning your mock. Just pointing out that the Steelers have a lot of needs, and keeping a veteran insurance policy at ILB who knows the system to pair with two unknowns, one of whom is coming off a severe injury, makes a lot of sense.

phillyesq
01-25-2013, 03:26 PM
$$$$$ Trust the young guys and they could surprise you that they can get the job done. Other teams seem to have far less issues than we do getting young players time on the field and the old excuse about stars playing in front of them doesn't sell anymore. Foote ain't and bnever was a star. He is a journeyman plain and simple.

You like to throw out unsupported generalities, but they are not supported by specifics. By way of example, the 49ers have 2 starters on their defense with less than 6 years in the league. Bowman is a third year player and Aldon Smith (a conversion player!!) is in his second year. Smith, of course, was a top 10 pick. Every other starter on the defense has at least 6 years.

Experience matters. Knowing the system matters.

Typically, rookies either start because they were talented players drafted with a premium pick or because their team stinks. Sylvester has done nothing to push himself toward the field in 3 years. He's probably tapped out as a special teams player. Who even knows if Spence will be able to play from a health standpoint?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
01-25-2013, 03:29 PM
I'm not questioning your mock. Just pointing out that the Steelers have a lot of needs, and keeping a veteran insurance policy at ILB who knows the system to pair with two unknowns, one of whom is coming off a severe injury, makes a lot of sense.

So let the young guys compete through mini camp & camp. If one doesn't emerge to start next to Timmons while Spence recovers bring Foote back. If he signs elsewhere...So be it. Remember..Rule 51. If Foote signs he will be counted against the cap through the offseason. I don't think he will sign for vet min. Guys like Rolle, Sylvester, and a draft choice would cost the same combined. Foote can be brought in any time. He doesn't need a camp. He isn't long term...Stop gap at best in 2013. They may find that in someone else.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
01-25-2013, 03:53 PM
Experience matters. Knowing the system matters.

If that philosophy gets you 8-8...You move on.

However...That is a fair statement. You don't need it at every position though. SO the defense may return 8 starters if Lewis is retained (Hood, Keisel, Woodley, Timmons, Lewis, Taylor, Clark, & Polamalu). That is the definition of experience & knowing the system wouldn't you think? The three replacements may be guys that have been in the system for 3 years, a 2nd year player coming off injury, a player with 13 starts in two years with another team, or a roookie. I don't think keeping a 33 year old ILB around because he is experienced & knows the system should be the reason they jump to sign him. I think the reason should be they sign him because the other players given the opportunity didn't rise to the challange in camp. I definately get where you are coming from but an 8-8 season, Foote's play, & the Steelers cap situation doesn't scream "A must signing" to me.

phillyesq
01-25-2013, 07:26 PM
If that philosophy gets you 8-8...You move on.

However...That is a fair statement. You don't need it at every position though. SO the defense may return 8 starters if Lewis is retained (Hood, Keisel, Woodley, Timmons, Lewis, Taylor, Clark, & Polamalu). That is the definition of experience & knowing the system wouldn't you think? The three replacements may be guys that have been in the system for 3 years, a 2nd year player coming off injury, a player with 13 starts in two years with another team, or a roookie. I don't think keeping a 33 year old ILB around because he is experienced & knows the system should be the reason they jump to sign him. I think the reason should be they sign him because the other players given the opportunity didn't rise to the challange in camp. I definately get where you are coming from but an 8-8 season, Foote's play, & the Steelers cap situation doesn't scream "A must signing" to me.

I get where you are coming from as well and I wouldn't break the bank on Foote. My thought was a qualified deal (he is paid 900ish, but it counts for less against the cap), which I think he takes. He's said he doesn't want to leave. I wouldn't get in a bidding war, but doubt that anybody else offers him more.

I also don't see Foote as more than a stopgap, but I would not feel comfortable going into the season with Spence and Sylvester as the only options.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 07:50 PM
I'm not questioning your mock. Just pointing out that the Steelers have a lot of needs, and keeping a veteran insurance policy at ILB who knows the system to pair with two unknowns, one of whom is coming off a severe injury, makes a lot of sense.

Yeah I know you weren't. :)

Larry Foote will be 33 next year. He has 11 NFL seasons on that body. He is on the downside not the upside of his career. How many times do the Steelers keep going back to that well. One too many times could be a disaster.