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pfelix73
01-24-2013, 05:02 PM
Manti Te'o. LB Notre Dame

Just watching this interview on Couric's show. What a very interesting young man.. Very impressed. Would make me a proud Steeler fan if he were to wear the Black and Gold. I hope all of you out there get to watch the entire interview.

The most impressive line in the interview (to me) went something like this-

From his dad.... Manti is a kid.. A 21 year old learning to be a man... And I love him...

2 very proud parents up there on stage with him.....

This guy is gonna be special where ever he goes, not only on the field but off as well..

I have a feeling he will be picked way ahead of us though.

BigRob
01-24-2013, 05:03 PM
Manti Te'o. LB Notre Dame

Just watching this interview on Couric's show. What a very interesting young man.. Very impressed. Would make me a proud Steeler fan if he were to wear the Black and Gold. I hope all of you out there get to watch the entire interview.

The most impressive line in the interview (to me) went something like this-

From his dad.... Manti is a kid.. A 21 year old learning to be a man... And I love him...

2 very proud parents up there on stage with him.....

This guy is gonna be special where ever he goes, not only on the field but off as well..

I have a feeling he will be picked way ahead of us though.

Before all the hype he was a second rounder. He's not close to Kuechly who was chosen in the top 10 last year. He will be available to us at 17 and we will pass. He will end up going to the Ravens in the 20's. Just watch.

He's a bigger version of Lofa Tatupu.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we either pick a CB/S, an OT, or a WR with the 17th pick.

Eddie Spaghetti
01-24-2013, 05:04 PM
no way I want this guy on the steelers

BigRob
01-24-2013, 05:06 PM
no way I want this guy on the steelers

I understand that, but doesn't mean the Steelers do or don't.

He won't even be the highest rated MLB on their board. That will go to Ogletree, Minter, and/or Arthur Brown.

pfelix73
01-24-2013, 05:07 PM
Eddie- why not? What do you know about him, other than all the crap you've seen in the news?

Eddie Spaghetti
01-24-2013, 05:09 PM
the "crap" in the news is beyond plenty, but I just think he is vastly overrated as a player.

BigRob
01-24-2013, 05:12 PM
the "crap" in the news is beyond plenty, but I just think he is vastly overrated as a player.

Agree 100%

He reminds me a lot of Lofa Tatupu and A.J. Hawk. Good not great players.

pfelix73
01-24-2013, 05:14 PM
Well, to others he reminds us of Brian Urlacher or Ray Lewis.. He has all the intangibles, athleticism to be a great one.. Better than James Farrior, and he was a 1st rounder... Anyway...

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 05:18 PM
I'd still take him. I think some are now under-evaluating him. He is a lot better than most people think. He will be a steady force in the NFL for 10-12 years. And he will bring leadership and play calling from one of the most important positions on the field.

I didn't need to watch his interview to know this is a fine young man. Quality human being with great parents. We are becoming a society that tends to have more of a problem with good people in the lime-light than the bad people. We seem to doubt them more. Be more critical and suspicious of them. Disbelieving. A truly sad state.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 05:21 PM
Well, to others he reminds us of Brian Urlacher or Ray Lewis.. He has all the intangibles, athleticism to be a great one.. Better than James Farrior, and he was a 1st rounder... Anyway...

pfelix73 I dont think you are that far off. The kid doesn't do any spectacular but he does most everything well. And what makes him who he is and will be at the next level is...he's a football player.

pfelix73
01-24-2013, 05:22 PM
Well said, and I couldn't agree more. He's gonna be special, off the field too in charity work, etc, and I believe the Steelers will take stock in that, they always have...I didn't need to see it either, but so glad I did. I wasn't looking for it, but the Couric show just happened to be on and I got to see it..

BigRob
01-24-2013, 05:26 PM
pfelix73 I dont think you are that far off. The kid doesn't do any spectacular but he does most everything well. And what makes him who he is and will be at the next level is...he's a football player.

Doesn't make him a first round pick or worth one.

As I've said before, there is nothing about him that stands above what Ogletree, Minter, Khaseem Greene, or Arthur Brown brings to the table as MLB'ers.

Ogletree is the one MLB'er that has an amazing upside. He has character issues, so the Steelers probably will avoid him. But Ogletree might just be one of the top 3 MLB'ers in the league within 2 years.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 05:26 PM
Well said, and I couldn't agree more. He's gonna be special, off the field too in charity work, etc, and I believe the Steelers will take stock in that, they always have...I didn't need to see it either, but so glad I did. I wasn't looking for it, but the Couric show just happened to be on and I got to see it..

One more thing about Te'o...he's a 4 year starter at Notre Dame. Too me, he's as ready for immediate NFL returns as anyone in this draft. Plug and play.

Eddie Spaghetti
01-24-2013, 05:27 PM
I'd still take him. I think some are now under-evaluating him. He is a lot better than most people think. He will be a steady force in the NFL for 10-12 years. And he will bring leadership and play calling from one of the most important positions on the field.

I didn't need to watch his interview to know this is a fine young man. Quality human being with great parents. We are becoming a society that tends to have more of a problem with good people in the lime-light than the bad people. We seem to doubt them more. Be more critical and suspicious of them. Disbelieving. A truly sad state.

cmon Dub, do honestly believe this kid was so naive, he knew nothing about this and then continued to lie about this fake dead girlfriend? I'm not sure he can be an effective leader as you suggest. Some players will always think he made up the girlfriend to hide his sexuality.

BigRob
01-24-2013, 05:28 PM
One more thing about Te'o...he's a 4 year starter at Notre Dame. Too me, he's as ready for immediate NFL returns as anyone in this draft. Plug and play.

I've seen this argument before with plenty of players. Doesn't mean anything. He's athletically limited and that is what is going to hurt him. He might have the experience to know where to be, but it is all sped up about 10x from the competition he was playing against.

That is what was so damning about the Alabama game. He knew where to be, just couldn't make the plays against the closest thing to an NFL team he faced all year.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 05:29 PM
Doesn't make him a first round pick or worth one.

As I've said before, there is nothing about him that stands above what Ogletree, Minter, Khaseem Greene, or Arthur Brown brings to the table as MLB'ers.

Ogletree is the one MLB'er that has an amazing upside. He has character issues, so the Steelers probably will avoid him. But Ogletree might just be one of the top 3 MLB'ers in the league within 2 years.

I disagree with you. I think he is a first round pick and I would rather have him than Greene and Brown, two LB's who are not fits as ILB in a 3-4. Ogletree is a freak athletically no question about it but he comes with baggage and is not great coming forward versus the run. Point of attack. That is what the Steelers need next to Timmons.

I think Minter and Te'o are very comparable.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 05:31 PM
That is what was so damning about the Alabama game. He knew where to be, just couldn't make the plays against the closest thing to an NFL team he faced all year.

I think we are now finding out there there was some pretty serious things on Manti Te'o's mind 3 days prior to this game.

steelz09
01-24-2013, 05:35 PM
Te'o ... it's just a hunch.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 05:36 PM
cmon Dub, do honestly believe this kid was so naive, he knew nothing about this and then continued to lie about this fake dead girlfriend? I'm not sure he can be an effective leader as you suggest. Some players will always think he made up the girlfriend to hide his sexuality.

Yes I do. He is a very rooted, religious, soft spoken, humble person. He believed in something that turned out to be a hoax. I am sure this hurt him and affected him more than the average person. To the point where at times he probably felt it was better to simply not tell or admit the truth. Hurt can cause some to be in denial. I think he was for a while.

But so be it. If this is the worst thing this kid ever does then big deal.

Chadman
01-24-2013, 05:47 PM
Pretty much agree with Dee Dub in that if this is the absolute worst thing he ever does.... well, what's the problem? Outside of this.... scandal (which nobody really knows any 'truth' about- just a whole lot of suggestion & assumption)... has he done anything wrong?

Big Rob's argument amount being shown up by Alabama has some merit. Maybe Te'o isn't Junior Seau reborn. He was probably over-hyped, and now it looks like the reverse is happening. He didn't become a bad player based on one game anymore than Ben became Kordell Stewart based on the last few games of 2012. Te'os body of work is solid. For Chadman, the best comparison is Paul Poszluzny- he is solid in all aspects of the game without having that 'whoa' factor that a Willis or Timmons bring to the table. If that makes or does not make him a 1st rounder is yet to be determined.

He'll be heavily scrutinized at the Combine, and his Pro Day. Expect him to be the most interviewed player at the Combine.

He's not necessarily the player Chadman would pick, but if he was "the pick", Chadman wouldn't be looking for the nearest bridge to jump off, either.

lloydroid
01-24-2013, 05:50 PM
OK, let me get this straight. We had the #1 D (yes, based in yards, yes we need more sacks and turnovers, but still, the D was NOT our main problem), and the 26th rated rushing attack, and we were 22nd in points scored....and drafting an overrated, lying (mental illness?) ILB in the first round makes the most sense?

Hellzzzz no. I say trade down, get an extra 2nd or 3rd, grab the BAP and RB Lacy. Our rush was laughable and a lot had to do with the OL, play calling and, at RB, a plodder (no way a legit NFL starting back), a midget (who isn't even on the team) and a fat, lazy guy, who has some talent but zero drive. Think we could use a RB to spark the offense? I like Lacy a lot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrnpAK4n5Y

steelz09
01-24-2013, 05:53 PM
Not a bad option but:

#1 - Trading down isn't trivial

#2 - Avoid having to pick a RB and sign RFA Ivory

Snatch98
01-24-2013, 05:56 PM
pfelix73 I dont think you are that far off. The kid doesn't do any spectacular but he does most everything well. And what makes him who he is and will be at the next level is...he's a football player.

This is all that will be required next to Timmons in the middle. I'd be fine with tanking Te'o at 17 as long as we aren't "reaching" and the Steelers don't really "reach" unless it's the end of the first round.

Eddie Spaghetti
01-24-2013, 05:56 PM
if I had it my way, we would move back a few spots and grab Cordarelle Patterson, then move up a little in the 2nd for Eddie Lacy. Then take a chance on Bacarri Rambo in the 3rd. This team needs playmakers on both sides of the ball.

Captain Lemming
01-24-2013, 05:58 PM
I wasn't looking for it, but the Couric show just happened to be on and I got to see it..

Dont lie, you have Katie on auto-record on TIVO every day.......then you watch "The View". :)

steelblood
01-24-2013, 06:06 PM
Before all the hype he was a second rounder. He's not close to Kuechly who was chosen in the top 10 last year. He will be available to us at 17 and we will pass. He will end up going to the Ravens in the 20's. Just watch.

He's a bigger version of Lofa Tatupu.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we either pick a CB/S, an OT, or a WR with the 17th pick.


I don't think you are out on a limb at all. I'd say DB, LT, and WR are three of our four top needs along with a pass rusher if we cut Harrison. RB will also be a need, but there is not much mid-1st round talent out there so that is unlikely. OG, TE, and ILB all depend on the health of current players and can be filled in subsequent rounds if need be.

pfelix73
01-24-2013, 06:09 PM
Dont lie, you have Katie on auto-record on TIVO every day.......then you watch "The View". :)

LOL, well, what can I say... I got home early today and turned on the tv and there it was...lol, watched Judge Judy too...:D

Sugar
01-24-2013, 06:22 PM
Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford

Oviedo
01-24-2013, 06:39 PM
Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford


Eifert from Notre Dame is better but I would be happy with both picks. Today's NFL is about having more weapons on offense than the opponents can match up against

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 06:42 PM
OK, let me get this straight. We had the #1 D (yes, based in yards, yes we need more sacks and turnovers, but still, the D was NOT our main problem), and the 26th rated rushing attack, and we were 22nd in points scored....and drafting an overrated, lying (mental illness?) ILB in the first round makes the most sense?

I think your approach to this is worse than what Manti Te'o did. Since you don't have it straight let me explain it to you. First of all Manti Te'o never lied for personal gain. He lied because he was hurt and confused. And his lie didn't hurt anyone but himself. There is a difference. Here read it for yourself...

"Katie, put yourself in my situation. I, my whole world told me that she died on Sept. 12. Everybody knew that. This girl, who I committed myself to, died on Sept. 12," Te'o said in an interview that will air Thursday on Couric's talk show, "Katie". "Now I get a phone call on Dec. 6, saying that she's alive and then I'm going be put on national TV two days later. And to ask me about the same question. You know, what would you do?"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000129939/article/manti-teo-i-lied-after-learning-of-lennay-kekua-hoax

Sugar
01-24-2013, 06:43 PM
Eifert from Notre Dame is better but I would be happy with both picks. Today's NFL is about having more weapons on offense than the opponents can match up against

My thinking was just that DD knows him. Aside from that, a TE can be effective in both the run and pass game. Besides, who knows what Heath will be like that coming off his injury?

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 06:46 PM
Eifert from Notre Dame is better but I would be happy with both picks. Today's NFL is about having more weapons on offense than the opponents can match up against

I dont know that I agree with this. Ertz is very unique in that he has the speed to actually stretch a defense. He runs past safeties.

BigRob
01-24-2013, 06:49 PM
I think we are now finding out there there was some pretty serious things on Manti Te'o's mind 3 days prior to this game.

He knew well before 3 days before the game. He knew going back to Dec 6th. Had a month to deal with it mentally before playing. I don't think it was as much this as it was his limitations being exploited by Alabama.

steelz09
01-24-2013, 06:50 PM
Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford

If we were to draft an offensive weapon in the first round, I'd choose the WR from Clemson.... Hopkins

supersteeler
01-24-2013, 06:57 PM
Just out of curiosity if the following players were available when we pick @ 17 which one would you choose?


1. JESSE WILLIAMS NT



2. KEENAN ALLEN WR



3. KENNY VACARRO FS



4. CHANCE WARMACK G


Vote.

BigRob
01-24-2013, 06:59 PM
Just out of curiosity if the following players were available when we pick @ 17 which one would you choose?


1. JESSE WILLIAMS NT



2. KEENAN ALLEN WR



3. KENNY VACARRO FS



4. CHANCE WARMACK G


Vote.

Warmack then Williams.

Sugar
01-24-2013, 07:04 PM
If we were to draft an offensive weapon in the first round, I'd choose the WR from Clemson.... Hopkins

I was thinking that the TE would not only be a weapon, but would actually help in the run game and pass protection as well.

Chadman
01-24-2013, 07:06 PM
Of those 4- Jesse Williams.

Chadman
01-24-2013, 07:08 PM
If we were to draft an offensive weapon in the first round, I'd choose the WR from Clemson.... Hopkins

Although not a 1st round guy (according to draft sites, anyway... after the Seahawks picked Bruce Irvin in the 1st last year- who isn't a potential 1st round guy?) Chadman reckons the 'best' overall WR in this draft class is DaRick Rogers- so long as he interviews well.

Oviedo
01-24-2013, 07:34 PM
Just out of curiosity if the following players were available when we pick @ 17 which one would you choose?


1. JESSE WILLIAMS NT



2. KEENAN ALLEN WR



3. KENNY VACARRO FS



4. CHANCE WARMACK G


Vote.


Warmack and then Vacarro

supersteeler
01-24-2013, 07:53 PM
Warmack and then Vacarro

If we could get those two I would be thrilled.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 07:55 PM
He knew well before 3 days before the game. He knew going back to Dec 6th. Had a month to deal with it mentally before playing. I don't think it was as much this as it was his limitations being exploited by Alabama.

That isn't what I am talking about. It has been reported that this fake girlfriend was threatening to show up at the team hotel before the game.

How much more limited is Te'o from James Laurinaitis? Or Rey Lewis when he was drafted (26th overall)? We are talking about a middle linebacker not a freak of nature skilled pass rusher off the edge. Most MLB's by nature are limited skill set wise.

BigRob
01-24-2013, 08:04 PM
That isn't what I am talking about. It has been reported that this fake girlfriend was threatening to show up at the team hotel before the game.

How much more limited is Te'o from James Laurinaitis? Or Rey Lewis when he was drafted (26th overall)? We are talking about a middle linebacker not a freak of nature skilled pass rusher off the edge. Most MLB's by nature are limited skill set wise.

I guess I wouldn't know, I never have long term "relationships" with people I've never met and then lie about it repeatedly to cover it up. I know the kid was more than likely being blackmailed, but he should never have put himself in that position. It's that lack of judgment that is a red flag for me as to his draft stock.

Was Laurinaitis a first round pick? Nope, and neither is Te'o.

MLB'ers being limited is what makes them traditionally second round picks, even the best ones.

Please stop comparing Te'o to Lewis. Not a good comparison. Ray Lewis had a rare amount of fire in his belly even as a college player. All Te'o has is catfish.

I would compare Minter more favorably to Lewis than Te'o. Minter excelled against the best competition in the land. Doesn't make him a first rounder either.

pfelix73
01-24-2013, 08:39 PM
We are all entitled to one's opinions, however, I think you are wrong BigRob. We'll see who is right in say, 2014 or heck maybe even this coming fall...:)

Shawn
01-24-2013, 08:52 PM
Alec Ogletree

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:06 PM
Alec Ogletree

I like Ogletree but if I were an opposing team with Olgetree and Timmons in the middle, I'd just run right at them all day long.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:12 PM
I guess I wouldn't know, I never have long term "relationships" with people I've never met and then lie about it repeatedly to cover it up. I know the kid was more than likely being blackmailed, but he should never have put himself in that position. It's that lack of judgment that is a red flag for me as to his draft stock.

You just described more than half of our young people in our world. But regardless you think because he used poor judgment in a relationship that makes him not a good draft pick?




Was Laurinaitis a first round pick? Nope, and neither is Te'o.

MLB'ers being limited is what makes them traditionally second round picks, even the best ones.

Please stop comparing Te'o to Lewis. Not a good comparison. Ray Lewis had a rare amount of fire in his belly even as a college player. All Te'o has is catfish.

I would compare Minter more favorably to Lewis than Te'o. Minter excelled against the best competition in the land. Doesn't make him a first rounder either.

We were talking about skill set-wise, not what is in their belly. Te'o and Lewis coming out of college, very similar skill sets.

Now you know I love Minter but if you are going to use SEC competition, let's also allude to the fact that he was surrounded with blue-chip talent on his defense. Maybe 4 first rounders he played with?

Shawn
01-24-2013, 09:15 PM
I like Ogletree but if I were an opposing team with Olgetree and Timmons in the middle, I'd just run right at them all day long.

ogletree is strong against the run.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:16 PM
Gil Brandt thinks he's a first rounder. In fact Rob you are the only one I have heard that says he isn't a first round pick.

12) Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame: Te'o finished his senior season with 113 tackles and seven interceptions (that latter number is unheard of for a linebacker). He did not play well in the BCS Championship Game, but everything he's done in his career at Notre Dame (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123757/article/manti-teo-still-firstround-pick-despite-rough-bcs-title-game) overrides that.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000126798/article/luke-joeckel-bjoern-werner-headline-2013-nfl-draft-prospects

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:17 PM
ogletree is strong against the run.

Laterally yes but at the point of attack, no.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:22 PM
ogletree is strong against the run.

...and I would think that what is best for the Steelers is to have a player next to Timmons who compliments him. One who has a strength that he doesn't have. Not one with a similar skill set. I have said since late September that I feel as if there are two ILB in this draft who fit that bill. Manti Te'o and Kevin Minter.

Shawn
01-24-2013, 09:28 PM
...and I would think that what is best for the Steelers is to have a player next to Timmons who compliments him. One who has a strength that he doesn't have. Not one with a similar skill set. I have said since late September that I feel as if there are two ILB in this draft who fit that bill. Manti Te'o and Kevin Minter.

Ogletree is the most athletic ILB in the draft, fast, strong good against the run and pass...don't see why that is a bad thing. If you want a traditional thumper type go with Zack Boren in the 5th.

Shawn
01-24-2013, 09:29 PM
Laterally yes but at the point of attack, no.

ill take Ogletree at the poa anyway over T'eo.

Shoe
01-24-2013, 09:38 PM
Any chance that you all are buying in to another one of this guy's acts/lies? I'm sorry, but I'm more jaded than to think that a 22-year old kid with unlimited midwestern co-ed tang at his beck & call, would be so gullible to fall for some long-term internet relationship where he never got to sniff the tang, not one bit. You gotta try hard to believe that.

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2013, 09:41 PM
ill take Ogletree at the poa anyway over T'eo.

Ogletree was suspended for the first 4 games of this past season for marijuana use. I realize we drafted Mike Adams even though he was also a known pot smoker but after what happened with Ta'amu and Rainey this past season I think Ogletree will be off our draft board.

Shawn
01-24-2013, 09:42 PM
Here is Ogletree against Alabama...he had a big game against NFL talent.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZy_y0on4u8

While his strength isn't thumping...he is electric...could even put him at OLB. Gotta love a linebacker that fast and athletic.

Shawn
01-24-2013, 09:43 PM
Ogletree was suspended for the first 4 games of this past season for marijuana use. I realize we drafted Mike Adams even though he was also a known pot smoker but after what happened with Ta'amu and Rainey this past season I think Ogletree will be off our draft board.

Ugh...didn't know that. Yeah, that will hurt his chances to be a Steeler.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:48 PM
Ogletree is the most athletic ILB in the draft, fast, strong good against the run and pass...don't see why that is a bad thing. If you want a traditional thumper type go with Zack Boren in the 5th.

I agree with that. Olgetree is a beast but I would prefer a more traditional run stuffer (Te'o/Minter), along with a cover linebacker (Timmons).

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:50 PM
ill take Ogletree at the poa anyway over T'eo.

Not me. I'm not jaded by one game. I saw Te'o a lot over the past 4 years and he is better coming forward than Ogletree is. Olgetree is a great pursuit player but coming forward is a different story.

feltdizz
01-24-2013, 09:55 PM
Any chance that you all are buying in to another one of this guy's acts/lies? I'm sorry, but I'm more jaded than to think that a 22-year old kid with unlimited midwestern co-ed tang at his beck & call, would be so gullible to fall for some long-term internet relationship where he never got to sniff the tang, not one bit. You gotta try hard to believe that.
This kid was talking to a guy faking a female voice. Im sorry but this Teo kid has bust written all over him. He is average physically and his instincts are suspect.

Dee Dub
01-24-2013, 09:59 PM
This kid was talking to a guy faking a female voice. Im sorry but this Teo kid has bust written all over him.

So this is what makes a player a bust now?


He is average physically and his instincts are suspect.

His performance on the field over the past 4 years does not reflect that. In fact it says the opposite.

steelz09
01-24-2013, 10:16 PM
Here is Ogletree against Alabama...he had a big game against NFL talent.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZy_y0on4u8

While his strength isn't thumping...he is electric...could even put him at OLB. Gotta love a linebacker that fast and athletic.

In a lot of those plays he's not even getting blocked. The guy is 6-3 232. Does he not know what a weight room is? The guy looks slightly bigger than a safety or even Cortez Allen.

He will get swallowed up by NFL o-lineman. No thanks... and we can't wait 3 years for him to develop. Te'o has the prototypical size of a linebacker that could start today.

Shoe
01-24-2013, 10:17 PM
Not me. I'm not jaded by one game. I saw Te'o a lot over the past 4 years and he is better coming forward than Ogletree is. Olgetree is a great pursuit player but coming forward is a different story.

Yeah, I was banging the Te'o drum HARD before all this sh- came out. The reason I was, was the play-making ability he displayed at ND (e.g. 7 INT's as an ILB). This defense needs YOUNG talent all over, but above and beyond that, it needs PLAYMAKERS. I guy like Te'o would be a HUGE help right now. But I'm sorry... between now and April, something has to come up to change my mind about his CHARACTER. Otherwise, I don't touch him with a 10' pole.

Oviedo
01-24-2013, 10:21 PM
In a lot of those plays he's not even getting blocked. The guy is 6-3 232. Does he not know what a weight room is? The guy looks slightly bigger than a safety or even Cortez Allen.

He will get swallowed up by NFL o-lineman. No thanks... and we can't wait 3 years for him to develop. Te'o has the prototypical size of a linebacker that could start today.

Waiting three years to develop is kinda standard on our defense which is why there are so many 30 somethings. LeBeau wouldn't have it any other way.

phillyesq
01-24-2013, 10:25 PM
Waiting three years to develop is kinda standard on our defense which is why there are so many 30 somethings. LeBeau wouldn't have it any other way.

Woodley and Timmons contributed as rookies, but don't let facts cloud your rants.

steelz09
01-24-2013, 10:35 PM
I'm also impressed with Kevin Minter. He's prototypical 3-4 ILB. Based on the videos I've been watching, he has some of the best read-and-react skills I've seen for an ILB in this draft. He shows good vision for the inside and the ability to work his way through the trash on the inside which is what Timmons had so much trouble with in years past.

birtikidis
01-24-2013, 11:28 PM
I think that we go ILB in round two, taking Minter. I think Elam will be the pick in round one. I think he's a little bit of a reach, but we need a safety to develop. Don't think we're done there though. I think we may go with another safety in round 3. Rambo or whatever his name is at that point.

hawaiiansteel
01-25-2013, 12:18 AM
I think that we go ILB in round two, taking Minter. I think Elam will be the pick in round one. I think he's a little bit of a reach, but we need a safety to develop. Don't think we're done there though. I think we may go with another safety in round 3. Rambo or whatever his name is at that point.

Minter won't be around when we pick in Round 2.

as for Rambo, he and Alex Ogletree were suspended for the first 4 games of this past season for marijuana use. I realize we drafted Mike Adams even though he was also a known pot smoker but after what happened with Ta'amu and Rainey this past season I believe both Rambo and Ogletree will be off our draft board.

grotonsteel
01-25-2013, 12:46 AM
I think its going to be either NT or S or WR or TE.

This draft is loaded with O-linemen. They can get a good OG/OT in Rd 2- Rd 3.

AkronSteel
01-25-2013, 02:41 AM
I think we go LB in the 1st either inside or outside. I think players like Ansah, Jordan, Te'o, Ogletree, Mingo, they are all in play for the Steelers and whoever Colbert and Tomlin like the best will be where they go. In rounds 2 and 3, I think the Steelers will find playmakers for #7 in the backfield and outside (Eddie Lacy and Robert Woods), those picks would make me happy. Add depth in the secondary and on the offensive line the rest of the way. This team is sorely lacking in quality depth, that's why injuries hurt so bad last season. The next man up wasn't good enough. The team also needs to find a young QB in my opinion to develop with Batch hanging onto a roster spot for one more season. Change is a coming folks, we'll see if Tomlin can develop talent now and if Colbert can continue to find it.

feltdizz
01-25-2013, 08:20 AM
So this is what makes a player a bust now?



His performance on the field over the past 4 years does not reflect that. In fact it says the opposite.

Yes... a decent career turned into a Heisman run his senior year and most of it was due to his dying girlfriend and grandmother passing. The ND defense was horrible the last 5 years or so and I think the wrong guy got the credit for the turnaround due to an off field hoax.

The more I think about it this ND defense was down right horrible last year. Before this yeqr how many times did anyone hear Te'o's name as the leader of this amazing run stopoing D? ND's stats are tricky because they feasted on bad teams. Only 5 teams had winning records last year and this year I think they only played 4 teams who finished with winning records...

Nix is the real reason this D was so good this year IMO. Te'o is or should be a second rounder or 3rd rounder. I trupy believe he is getting the Quinn, Clausen type boost from the teams name. I will definitely eat crow if he shines at the next level because I think he will struggle to get off blocks and get exposed in coverage vs NFL speed. He showed good hands this year but the last 3? Nada...

steelz09
01-25-2013, 08:39 AM
Minter won't be around when we pick in Round 2.

as for Rambo, he and Alex Ogletree were suspended for the first 4 games of this past season for marijuana use. I realize we drafted Mike Adams even though he was also a known pot smoker but after what happened with Ta'amu and Rainey this past season I believe both Rambo and Ogletree will be off our draft board.

Minter is rated as the #1 ILB on CBS' website

Slapstick
01-25-2013, 09:12 AM
I think there is a better chance that Te'o is around in the 2nd as opposed to Minter...

If so, go for it!

supersteeler
01-25-2013, 09:17 AM
We covered a lot of first round prospects and while I have my preference, I think the Steelers are going to go in another direction that not necessairly is a need position now but could be with our circumstances.

1. Keenan Lewis:

He'll test the market and probably get an offer that is better than what the Steelers can afford. While he had a good season I don't know if he's that top tier CB that is going to repeat his performance he had this season.

2. Cortez Allen showed he can play the position just as well so I think he'll be our starter in 2013 opposite Ike Taylor and the Steelers might draft a CB in round one.


3.In this pass happy league you can't have enough good CB's and beside that Ike is getting up there and we'll need to groom his replacement. Selecting a CB in the draft will be a more conducive to how the Steelers want to handle their cap situation by not overpaying Lewis and having more cash to sign others.


4. Good Corners are hard to get, the Steelers have a shot to get a good one in the first round, if they wait later in the draft most of the good ones will be gone. I know we need ILB and OLB but they probably can get one later in the rounds.

Any good ones we could draft?

Your thoughts on Xavier Rhodes or Johnathan Banks.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 10:28 AM
Minter won't be around when we pick in Round 2.

as for Rambo, he and Alex Ogletree were suspended for the first 4 games of this past season for marijuana use. I realize we drafted Mike Adams even though he was also a known pot smoker but after what happened with Ta'amu and Rainey this past season I believe both Rambo and Ogletree will be off our draft board.

Right not with a first round pick but a later round pick I can see them wiling to take a risk on a guy like Rambo. Using a 3rd round pick has less of a risk/loss factor than using a first. But the reward/gain factor could be a major hall for them.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 10:34 AM
Yes... a decent career turned into a Heisman run his senior year.....

You should have just stopped right there. None of that other stuff means anything in regard to what Te'o did on the field. And Nix is not responsible for the 7 INT's Te'o got this past season.

And Te'o junior year he had 128 tackles, 13.5 tackles for loss and 5 sacks. His sophomore year, 133 tackles and 9.5 tackles for loss. If you didn't hear about him then you were not paying attention. That is a you problem.

We get it felt, you are a hater when it comes to him and Notre Dame. To say he isnt a first round pick is flat out ridiculous.

steelz09
01-25-2013, 11:17 AM
You should have just stopped right there. None of that other stuff means anything in regard to what Te'o did on the field. And Nix is not responsible for the 7 INT's Te'o got this past season.

And Te'o junior year he had 128 tackles, 13.5 tackles for loss and 5 sacks. His sophomore year, 133 tackles and 9.5 tackles for loss. If you didn't hear about him then you were not paying attention. That is a you problem.

We get it felt, you are a hater when it comes to him and Notre Dame. To say he isnt a first round pick is flat out ridiculous.

If we draft a ILB in the first round, I'd want Minter or Te'o. Minter appers a bit faster on tape. They both have good size for a 3-4 ILB. They both have good instincts and strength. Minter played against better competition on a consistent basis and still played extremely well. Quite honestly, I didn't know anything about Minter until he was mentioned on this board. After reading about him and watching several videos on him (not just highlights), I was really impressed and I think he'll be a very good 3-4 ILB.

A player like Ogletree concerns me. Sure, he's extremely atheltic... I get that. At 6-3 232lbs, he is to small to play ILB in a 3-4. If he was 6-3 255lbs and showed good strength at the point of attack, I would feel different. Ogletree was running around making plays but his tape shows a lot of "roaming". They basically allowed him to play in space without having to fill holes and take on blockers. The reality is that a 3-4 ILB MUST have good vision, instincts and the ability to take on blocks, disengage and make a tackle. I don't see where Ogletree was asked to do this. He might be more of a 4-3 ILB.

Historically, I was VERY critical of Timmons. After the first couple of games, Timmons really turned it on this year. My biggest complaint about Timmons was the same concern about Ogletree. Outside of the conerns I have about vision, the ability to fight through blocks, the "trash" on the inside, etc... he's even smaller than Timmons was coming out of college.

BigRob
01-25-2013, 02:25 PM
If we draft a ILB in the first round, I'd want Minter or Te'o. Minter appers a bit faster on tape. They both have good size for a 3-4 ILB. They both have good instincts and strength. Minter played against better competition on a consistent basis and still played extremely well. Quite honestly, I didn't know anything about Minter until he was mentioned on this board. After reading about him and watching several videos on him (not just highlights), I was really impressed and I think he'll be a very good 3-4 ILB.

A player like Ogletree concerns me. Sure, he's extremely atheltic... I get that. At 6-3 232lbs, he is to small to play ILB in a 3-4. If he was 6-3 255lbs and showed good strength at the point of attack, I would feel different. Ogletree was running around making plays but his tape shows a lot of "roaming". They basically allowed him to play in space without having to fill holes and take on blockers. The reality is that a 3-4 ILB MUST have good vision, instincts and the ability to take on blocks, disengage and make a tackle. I don't see where Ogletree was asked to do this. He might be more of a 4-3 ILB.

Historically, I was VERY critical of Timmons. After the first couple of games, Timmons really turned it on this year. My biggest complaint about Timmons was the same concern about Ogletree. Outside of the conerns I have about vision, the ability to fight through blocks, the "trash" on the inside, etc... he's even smaller than Timmons was coming out of college.

I like Minter the best for us at ILB in the 3-4. The played very well against Alabama. He's a playa.

As for Ogletree. Navarrow Bowman was 230lbs his senior year at PSU. He came to the combine 245lbs. Have you seen the dude now? He's yoked up to the sky. Timmons was 232lbs at the combine his draft year in 2007. He's 245 now.

Ogletree has the frame to carry 20 more lbs easy. Ogletree needs to learn to use his hands and that can be taught by a good LB'er coach like Butler. Ogletree has the upside and the frame to play in any defense. We likely won't take him because of the character risk, but he is a perfect fit for defense like Chicago or Minnesota.

NW Steeler
01-25-2013, 02:36 PM
Unless a premier pass rusher at OLB is there that fits the Steelers 3-4, I would rather see them trade down in the first and pick up an extra third rounder and then take the BPA. So many needs; OLB, ILB, WR, S, TE, RB, OL, NT, possibly CB....crap.

Oviedo
01-25-2013, 02:36 PM
If we draft a ILB in the first round, I'd want Minter or Te'o. Minter appers a bit faster on tape. They both have good size for a 3-4 ILB. They both have good instincts and strength. Minter played against better competition on a consistent basis and still played extremely well. Quite honestly, I didn't know anything about Minter until he was mentioned on this board. After reading about him and watching several videos on him (not just highlights), I was really impressed and I think he'll be a very good 3-4 ILB.

A player like Ogletree concerns me. Sure, he's extremely atheltic... I get that. At 6-3 232lbs, he is to small to play ILB in a 3-4. If he was 6-3 255lbs and showed good strength at the point of attack, I would feel different. Ogletree was running around making plays but his tape shows a lot of "roaming". They basically allowed him to play in space without having to fill holes and take on blockers. The reality is that a 3-4 ILB MUST have good vision, instincts and the ability to take on blocks, disengage and make a tackle. I don't see where Ogletree was asked to do this. He might be more of a 4-3 ILB.

Historically, I was VERY critical of Timmons. After the first couple of games, Timmons really turned it on this year. My biggest complaint about Timmons was the same concern about Ogletree. Outside of the conerns I have about vision, the ability to fight through blocks, the "trash" on the inside, etc... he's even smaller than Timmons was coming out of college.


The "ability to fight through blocks, the "trash" on the inside, etc" is way overrated in today's NFL. It is an archaic notion when most of the offense was about running the ball. When was the last time we lost a game because of the opponents run game. We lose lots of games because of the opponents ability to pass. It is much, much more importnat now that Linebackers have the ability to cover, blitz and move side to side than be old fashioned "run Stuffers." Offense is about speed in today's NFL and defenders need to be speedy run and hit types.

The reason that Timmons is our best LB is because he is the model of what a LB needs to be in today's NFL.

Oviedo
01-25-2013, 02:38 PM
I like Minter the best for us at ILB in the 3-4. The played very well against Alabama. He's a playa.

As for Ogletree. Navarrow Bowman was 230lbs his senior year at PSU. He came to the combine 245lbs. Have you seen the dude now? He's yoked up to the sky. Timmons was 232lbs at the combine his draft year in 2007. He's 245 now.

Ogletree has the frame to carry 20 more lbs easy. Ogletree needs to learn to use his hands and that can be taught by a good LB'er coach like Butler. Ogletree has the upside and the frame to play in any defense. We likely won't take him because of the character risk, but he is a perfect fit for defense like Chicago or Minnesota.

I like Ogletree. He is the type of speed guy that you need at LB today.

flippy
01-25-2013, 02:41 PM
The "ability to fight through blocks, the "trash" on the inside, etc" is way overrated in today's NFL. It is an archaic notion when most of the offense was about running the ball. When was the last time we lost a game because of the opponents run game. We lose lots of games because of the opponents ability to pass. It is much, much more importnat now that Linebackers have the ability to cover, blitz and move side to side than be old fashioned "run Stuffers." Offense is about speed in today's NFL and defenders need to be speedy run and hit types.

The reason that Timmons is our best LB is because he is the model of what a LB needs to be in today's NFL.

I still think Spence is the perfect compliment to Timmy and the Steelers don't need an ILB. I wouldn't mind if we went OLB in rounds 1 and 2. Or grabbed an NT. I think we could take a S and WR in rounds 3 and 4.

Oviedo
01-25-2013, 02:46 PM
I still think Spence is the perfect compliment to Timmy and the Steelers don't need an ILB. I wouldn't mind if we went OLB in rounds 1 and 2. Or grabbed an NT. I think we could take a S and WR in rounds 3 and 4.

If Spence can come back from his injuries he is still a year away...IMO. Had he not gotten hurt I agree with you 100%. However, he is a risk right now until he proves otherwise so I think you have to assume you need another ILB.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 02:52 PM
...When was the last time we lost a game because of the opponents run game.

Week 3 versus Oakland Raiders. Darren McFadden.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 02:55 PM
This kid was talking to a guy faking a female voice. Im sorry but this Teo kid has bust written all over him. He is average physically and his instincts are suspect.

And like everything else in this matter you are wrong about this too. You jump to judge and are so quick to assume and believe in the wrong that the truth often passes you right by.

Relatives of Tino Tuiasosopo, a woman in her mid-20s who lives in Pago Pago, American Samoa, told the New York Post that Te'o has been speaking to her."Tino is the girl that Manti has been talking to all these months," said a Tuiasosopo cousin, according to the Post.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8880021/ronaiah-tuiasosopo-cousin-was-voice-talking-manti-teo-report

steelz09
01-25-2013, 03:39 PM
The "ability to fight through blocks, the "trash" on the inside, etc" is way overrated in today's NFL. It is an archaic notion when most of the offense was about running the ball. When was the last time we lost a game because of the opponents run game. We lose lots of games because of the opponents ability to pass. It is much, much more importnat now that Linebackers have the ability to cover, blitz and move side to side than be old fashioned "run Stuffers." Offense is about speed in today's NFL and defenders need to be speedy run and hit types.

The reason that Timmons is our best LB is because he is the model of what a LB needs to be in today's NFL.

Are you kidding me? It's not overrated when you run a 3-4 defense. If you're 3-4 ILB can't do that.. you won't win. Obviously, the run game didn't have an impact on San Fran and the Ravens winning their championship games <sarcasm>.

I know your in favor of switching to a 4-3. That's well documented. But saying a 3-4 ILB's ability to fight through blocks, the "trash" on the inside, etc is overrated is simply inaccurate.

Timmons was our best LB this year. In years past, when he was extremely weak at diagnosing plays, fighting through blocks, etc ... he wasn't our best LB and he was a liability in run defense.

supersteeler
01-25-2013, 07:16 PM
Timmons stepped up big time this year, if we can get Woodley back to form and Worlids takes advantage of his opportunity we should be ok.
I didn't include Harrison becaus it doesn't look like we'll be able to keep him. Worlids is the wild card, we need him to step up, he did have 5 sacks with limited playing time so maybe a full year of playing might be what the doctor ordered.

If we get the Ben before his injury in 2013, we can compete with anyone, so its not all gloom and doom.
Our Steelers will be back.

feltdizz
01-25-2013, 09:08 PM
And like everything else in this matter you are wrong about this too. You jump to judge and are so quick to assume and believe in the wrong that the truth often passes you right by.

Relatives of Tino Tuiasosopo, a woman in her mid-20s who lives in Pago Pago, American Samoa, told the New York Post that Te'o has been speaking to her."Tino is the girl that Manti has been talking to all these months," said a Tuiasosopo cousin, according to the Post.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8880021/ronaiah-tuiasosopo-cousin-was-voice-talking-manti-teo-report

LOL.. give it a few days, it will change again.. its like a mexican soap opera.









As far as my prediction.... we will see. Im pretty confident this guy is over rated. If he was so great in pass coverage where are the ints the previous 3 years? Teo has nice stats but its because the D was gashed like crazy the last 3 years.

This is a very good report on the positives and negatives of the Notre Dame D the last few years.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/962179-notre-dame-football-the-2011-fighting-irish-defense-leaves-a-lot-to-be-desired

flippy
01-25-2013, 09:17 PM
LOL.. give it a few days, it will change again.. its like a mexican soap opera.

As far as my prediction.... we will see. Im pretty confident this guy is over rated. If he was so great in pass coverage where are the ints the previous 3 years? Teo has nice stats but its because the D was gashed like crazy the last 3 years.

This is a very good report on the positives and negatives of the Notre Dame D the last few years.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/962179-notre-dame-football-the-2011-fighting-irish-defense-leaves-a-lot-to-be-desired

I can't believe how badly they're killing this kid in the media. I saw a clip where Katie Couric asked him if he was gay. The media kinda sucks.

The one thing I have noticed about him is he looks a little bit pudgy and like he might be a little slow. None of this stuff is helping him in the draft at all.

Dee Dub
01-25-2013, 10:26 PM
...
As far as my prediction.... we will see. Im pretty confident this guy is over rated. If he was so great in pass coverage where are the ints the previous 3 years? Teo has nice stats but its because the D was gashed like crazy the last 3 years.

For someone who says they watch a lot of the Notre football you obviously didn't pay much attention. Te'o developed into a descent cover LB. Prior to this year he wasn't as good and it wasn't a secret. As a result he was used differently prior to this year. Primarily coming forward. Playing down hill. And if you look at his numbers you can see the difference. This year his tackles were down. But he had 7 INT's. He was used a lot more in coverage and that is because he improved at it. The three years before this his tackles were way up as well as his tackles for loss. This is a testimony of the type of player he is becoming. Much more rounded. And that to me speaks a lot more volume to the type of character he has. He has really put in the work to improve his overall game.

But you really dont know much about Manti Te'o the football player. So I am really wasting my time.

feltdizz
01-26-2013, 01:03 AM
Sorry Ronaih... Nix and the DL are the real stars of this D.

feltdizz
01-26-2013, 01:58 AM
I can't believe how badly they're killing this kid in the media. I saw a clip where Katie Couric asked him if he was gay. The media kinda sucks.

The one thing I have noticed about him is he looks a little bit pudgy and like he might be a little slow. None of this stuff is helping him in the draft at all.

Its a weird story and it keeps evolving. IMO he needs to stop talking about it but I'm not sure he can. Its all he talked about anytime he was interviewd and the media fell in love with the story.

His stock was dropping before the hoax after the Bama game according to Gil Brandt.

Dee Dub
01-26-2013, 01:42 PM
Its a weird story and it keeps evolving. IMO he needs to stop talking about it but I'm not sure he can. Its all he talked about anytime he was interviewd and the media fell in love with the story.

His stock was dropping before the hoax after the Bama game according to Gil Brandt.

You are amazing. You are just like the media. Always twisting things in favor of what you want to believe or have heard. Gil Brandt? Really? He's got him dropping so much he has him listed as the 12 overall player in this entire draft.



12) Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame:Te'o finished his senior season with 113 tackles and seven interceptions (that latter number is unheard of for a linebacker). He did not play well in the BCS Championship Game, but everything he's done in his career at Notre Dame (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123757/article/manti-teo-still-firstround-pick-despite-rough-bcs-title-game) overrides that


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000126798/article/luke-joeckel-bjoern-werner-headline-2013-nfl-draft-prospects

Oviedo
01-26-2013, 02:12 PM
You are amazing. You are just like the media. Always twisting things in favor of what you want to believe or have heard. Gil Brandt? Really? He's got him dropping so much he has him listed as the 12 overall player in this entire draft.



12) Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame:Te'o finished his senior season with 113 tackles and seven interceptions (that latter number is unheard of for a linebacker). He did not play well in the BCS Championship Game, but everything he's done in his career at Notre Dame (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123757/article/manti-teo-still-firstround-pick-despite-rough-bcs-title-game) overrides that


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000126798/article/luke-joeckel-bjoern-werner-headline-2013-nfl-draft-prospects

It is very possible T'eo will be on the board near where we are going to pick. I still have no issue with taking him. If we ruled out every college player who ever did something stupid we would never draft anyone.

feltdizz
01-26-2013, 03:31 PM
You are amazing. You are just like the media. Always twisting things in favor of what you want to believe or have heard. Gil Brandt? Really? He's got him dropping so much he has him listed as the 12 overall player in this entire draft.



12) Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame:Te'o finished his senior season with 113 tackles and seven interceptions (that latter number is unheard of for a linebacker). He did not play well in the BCS Championship Game, but everything he's done in his career at Notre Dame (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123757/article/manti-teo-still-firstround-pick-despite-rough-bcs-title-game) overrides that


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000126798/article/luke-joeckel-bjoern-werner-headline-2013-nfl-draft-prospects

Well... maybe it was another Gil Brandt or a hoax but he dropped him to 19th and said his stock was dropping before the story broke. Players rise and fall all the time... dont get mad at me, get mad at Gil.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/20130118_draft_guru_teos_stock_took_hit_before_hoa x.html?id=187422101&mobile=true

Dee Dub
01-26-2013, 03:34 PM
Well... maybe it was another Gil Brandt or a hoax but he dropped him to 19th and said his stock was dropping before the story broke. Players rise and fall all the time... dont get mad at me, get mad at Gil.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/20130118_draft_guru_teos_stock_took_hit_before_hoa x.html?id=187422101&mobile=true

19th is still showing as a pretty good football player. It is still a first round pick. ;)

supersteeler
01-26-2013, 04:26 PM
I'll take A.J. kLEIN in the 6th, get him with a reasonable contract and you'll see a machine out there making tackles left and right. This has nothing to do with anything outside of football, T'eo is a good football player but he may be overrated and not worth selecting early when we have other needs.

There is a good chance his stock will fall in the draft because teams are looking for OLB's pass rushers more than ILB 's. Normally, ILB, Guards are not the premium positions teams are looing for especially in this pass happy league. CB's, Pass rushers,and D-line seem to be the first choice by most teams while ILB's are down the list.
Same with the Guard position, teams are looking for Tackles more than Guards on the o-line and, receivers,TE, s QB's on offense.

I'm not knocking T'eo, but for us a top BPA corner or OLB early may be the ticket, we can get an ILB later in the draft.

feltdizz
01-27-2013, 12:19 AM
I'm not an ND fan but if the TE is available and it isnt a reach I would pick him at 17. We need weapons...

feltdizz
01-27-2013, 12:22 AM
I'll take A.J. kLEIN in the 6th, get him with a reasonable contract and you'll see a machine out there making tackles left and right. This has nothing to do with anything outside of football, T'eo is a good football player but he may be overrated and not worth selecting early when we have other needs.

There is a good chance his stock will fall in the draft because teams are looking for OLB's pass rushers more than ILB 's. Normally, ILB, Guards are not the premium positions teams are looing for especially in this pass happy league. CB's, Pass rushers,and D-line seem to be the first choice by most teams while ILB's are down the list.
Same with the Guard position, teams are looking for Tackles more than Guards on the o-line and, receivers,TE, s QB's on offense.

I'm not knocking T'eo, but for us a top BPA corner or OLB early may be the ticket, we can get an ILB later in the draft.

I agree... but I have no problem knocking him. I dont think he is a first round talent or head and shoulders above the other ILB's in the draft.

pfelix73
01-28-2013, 09:18 PM
Taking a QB in the first round of this year's draft would be a huge mistake....

Mister Pittsburgh
01-29-2013, 09:16 AM
With the 17th pick the Pittsburgh Steelers: Come to agreement with Miami to trade pick 17 for their two second round picks and their 4th round pick.

Oviedo
01-29-2013, 10:22 AM
With the 17th pick the Pittsburgh Steelers: Come to agreement with Miami to trade pick 17 for their two second round picks and their 4th round pick.

Why would Miami want to do that? There has to be a player they really want for them to make a move like that.

feltdizz
01-30-2013, 03:42 PM
And like everything else in this matter you are wrong about this too. You jump to judge and are so quick to assume and believe in the wrong that the truth often passes you right by.

Relatives of Tino Tuiasosopo, a woman in her mid-20s who lives in Pago Pago, American Samoa, told the New York Post that Te'o has been speaking to her."Tino is the girl that Manti has been talking to all these months," said a Tuiasosopo cousin, according to the Post.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8880021/ronaiah-tuiasosopo-cousin-was-voice-talking-manti-teo-report

LOL...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ronaiah-tuiasosopo-tells-dr-phil-believes-te-o-161825943--ncaaf.html

The Manti Te'o story is nearing its merciful conclusion, and one of the final pieces of the story is now fitting into place.
In an interview with Dr. Phil scheduled to air Thursday and Friday, Ronaiah Tuiasosopo, the mastermind of the hoax that ensnared Te'o for several years, spoke publicly for the first time about a story that has captured national attention and admitted that he fell "deeply, romantically in love" (http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/30/dr-phil-ronaiah-tuiasosopo-confused-sexual-identity/1876995/)with Te'o over the course of the scam.
"I asked him, straight up, was this a romantic relationship with you?" Dr. Phil McGraw said on NBC's Today. "And he says, 'yes.' I then said, are you then, therefore, gay? He says, 'Well, when you put it that way, yes.' And then, he caught himself and said, 'I am confused.'"

However, Tuiasosopo emphatically denied that Te'o was in any way involved with the scam. He noted that while Te'o and "Lennay Kekua" would "break up," Tuiasosopo himself would find a way to reunite them: "There were many times where Manti and Lennay had broken up, but something would bring them back together, whether it was something going on in his life or in Lennay's life, in this case in my life."

Tuiasosopo still contends that it's his voice on the famous voicemail recordings, not a cousin. That may be the only mystery still left in this story, one which has now reached its natural end.



So... who do we believe and honestly... does it really matter? I'm confused...

both these dudes are gay.... not that there is anything wrong with that. This $^%#$ is CRAZY! Stay away from this guy.. he will destroy a locker room.

SteelerOfDeVille
02-04-2013, 07:43 PM
Better than James Farrior, and he was a 1st rounder... Anyway...pet peeve of mine... no, he's not better than James Farrior... not until he proves it in the NFL... none of the college players are...

now, carry on. :-)

pfelix73
02-04-2013, 07:49 PM
True. Even I get caught up in this trying to project a college kid and what he can do in the NFL. Wording should have been- projected to be better than.. James Farrior, who was a 1st round pick.

I've always said year after year that the draft is always a crap shoot or a box of chocolates- ya never know what you're gonna get...

Ghost
02-05-2013, 05:17 PM
Does it bother anyone else that he skipped the Senior Bowl? After getting totally abused in the biggest game of his life (he was flat out terrible) he has a chance to go play against great competition and show how he responds to adversity and he declines? WTH? No thanks. That's worse than being one of the world's biggest imbeciles and allowing this internet thing to happen to you. It was 2012, not 1998 - the internet isn't new. For goodness sake, he's young enough to really not remember much of the world without computers and the web.

The reporter who broke this story has stated point blank - he doesn't believe there is any way in which Te'o clould not have known for as long as he claims and let this go on. No way. And I agree.

Oviedo
02-05-2013, 05:38 PM
Does it bother anyone else that he skipped the Senior Bowl? After getting totally abused in the biggest game of his life (he was flat out terrible) he has a chance to go play against great competition and show how he responds to adversity and he declines? WTH? No thanks. That's worse than being one of the world's biggest imbeciles and allowing this internet thing to happen to you. It was 2012, not 1998 - the internet isn't new. For goodness sake, he's young enough to really not remember much of the world without computers and the web.

The reporter who broke this story has stated point blank - he doesn't believe there is any way in which Te'o clould not have known for as long as he claims and let this go on. No way. And I agree.

I'd prefer Ogletree and Minter over T'eo no matter when we are picking

Mister Pittsburgh
02-05-2013, 05:53 PM
Does it bother anyone else that he skipped the Senior Bowl? After getting totally abused in the biggest game of his life (he was flat out terrible) he has a chance to go play against great competition and show how he responds to adversity and he declines? WTH? No thanks. That's worse than being one of the world's biggest imbeciles and allowing this internet thing to happen to you. It was 2012, not 1998 - the internet isn't new. For goodness sake, he's young enough to really not remember much of the world without computers and the web.

The reporter who broke this story has stated point blank - he doesn't believe there is any way in which Te'o clould not have known for as long as he claims and let this go on. No way. And I agree.

I doubt they had Internet service in the small wooden shack he grew up in until a few years ago. Educated people get conned in financial dealings all the time and sometimes lose everything. This kid got conned by a sick in the head femme gay dude into thinking he was talking to a hot brunette babe. Coming from a very poor family, a being a college athlete that isn't allowed to work, he had no money to go flying to south bend to California to visit.

Personally I think the whole thing is overblown due to the weird factor and of course the media. If you look at the kids college career, minus one game against an OL where his DL was getting killed, I would have no issues if we dropped pick 17 on him. I think Te'o and Timmons could be pretty awesome in the middle of our defense.

pfelix73
02-06-2013, 10:41 AM
Ogletree- no way.. Wasn't this kid in trouble with the law? If not, then I apologize, but I thought he was....

Ghost
02-06-2013, 11:12 AM
Ogletree- no way.. Wasn't this kid in trouble with the law? If not, then I apologize, but I thought he was....

He suffered from Santonio Holmes disease and was suspended for 4 games to start the season for a failed drug test. Don't believe the law was involved though. Coach Richt handled it internally for UGA.