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lloydroid
01-22-2013, 05:28 PM
So, the fellas on NFL Network were chatting after the games last Sunday. Someone asked if Joe Flacco was now considered an elite QB and Deion said that, no, he wasn't until he won a ring. He said all of the current elite QBs have won a ring(s), citing Rogers, both Mannings, Brady and Brees, making no mention of Ben. And then Rich Eisen asked, "what about Big Ben" in which Deion "seemingly" gave a half-hearted "yup" but it didn't feel like he meant it that much.

So, once again, every time elite QBs are brought up, they typically don't include Ben.

I used to have a problem with that.

I'm not sure I still do.

Yes, he won 2 rings and made it to a 3rd SB. Does that ALONE give him the status of an elite QB? Normally, I'd say it does. But, to be honest, he was outplayed in every SB he was in. Vs. Seattle he was awful; they won IN SPITE of Ben, not because of him. Vs. AZ, had Harrison not taken the pic 6 100 yards, they'd have lost that one. Vs. GB he had the chance to be clutch and win the game, and he was major FAIL.

And, if you are making a list of the QBs that are elite, in the here and now, I really don't know if he qualifies. I would take many QBs before I'd take Ben on an NFL team. If you consider his play since the GB SB, how well has he played, really? Take off the blinders and really consider which QBs he is really better than. Considering the play offs, I would rank the following ahead of the CURRENT BB.

Peyton Manning
Brady
Brees
Rogers
Eli Manning
Kaepernick - I don't care if he hasn't won a ring yet, he will, and he is better than BB right now.
Flacco - Can't argue with his play this season - he is better than BB right now.
Russell Wilson
Ryan Matthews - You can say he hasn't won anything but it's not his fault. He has been a prolific passer, it's his D that lets him down in the post season. He put up 24 and lost to SF. They had a 17 point lead and blew it.

Let's also not forget: Ben had the post season in his grip and he failed the two chances he had against Dallas and Cinci. That is hardly clutch. The clutch Ben may be gone forever.

Snatch98
01-22-2013, 05:47 PM
lol, yet another ridiculous post.

lloydroid
01-22-2013, 05:51 PM
lol, yet another ridiculous post.

Refute the assertions if you can. Making blanket "this is ridiculous" doesn't specify as to why. Anyone can do that, including 3-year-olds. Compare and contrast those points which are not true. Offer legit debate, using logic and reason.

mr.me
01-22-2013, 06:13 PM
We gonna miss this guy when hes gone,wait and see!!!!

Snatch98
01-22-2013, 06:33 PM
Refute the assertions if you can. Making blanket "this is ridiculous" doesn't specify as to why. Anyone can do that, including 3-year-olds. Compare and contrast those points which are not true. Offer legit debate, using logic and reason.

Any number of people could go through that post and rip it apart. Listing statistics, winning percentage etc, etc, etc. However at what gain? What do I have to gain by refuting one of your ridiculous posts? Will you promise to post something more ridiculous? You've been posting since August and you're already over 1475 posts and of that 1475 at least 1400 are ridiculous. It's like we were all dropped on to the movie set of Super Troopers and you're here doing your best Farva impersonation. I'm not going to waste my time breaking it down. You'll still be talking crazy when all the dust settles.

7 UP
01-22-2013, 06:56 PM
Peyton Manning
Brady
Brees
Rogers
Eli Manning
Kaepernick - I don't care if he hasn't won a ring yet, he will, and he is better than BB right now.
Flacco - Can't argue with his play this season - he is better than BB right now.
Russell Wilson
Ryan Matthews - You can say he hasn't won anything but it's not his fault. He has been a prolific passer, it's his D that lets him down in the post season. He put up 24 and lost to SF. They had a 17 point lead and blew it.

Let's also not forget: Ben had the post season in his grip and he failed the two chances he had against Dallas and Cinci. That is hardly clutch. The clutch Ben may be gone forever.

I would rate the QBs like this

#1 is clearly Ryan Matthews, that guy is an awesome QB
#2 Colin Kaepernick, who cares if he hasnt even played a whole season hes awesome right?
#3 Russell Wilson, may move up to #1 if Ryan Mattehws ever starts playing RB in San Diego again
#4 Mike Vick
#5 Kordell Stewart, I dont care what anyone says remember what he did in 97? He can do it again, just needs a chance


After that Manning, Brady Rodgers. They didnt make the Super Bowl this year so they clearly are losing elite status.

Ben fits in somewhere with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brandon Weedon, maybe hes a little behind them.

Snatch98
01-22-2013, 07:35 PM
I would rate the QBs like this

#1 is clearly Ryan Matthews, that guy is an awesome QB
#2 Colin Kaepernick, who cares if he hasnt even played a whole season hes awesome right?
#3 Russell Wilson, may move up to #1 if Ryan Mattehws ever starts playing RB in San Diego again
#4 Mike Vick
#5 Kordell Stewart, I dont care what anyone says remember what he did in 97? He can do it again, just needs a chance


After that Manning, Brady Rodgers. They didnt make the Super Bowl this year so they clearly are losing elite status.

Ben fits in somewhere with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brandon Weedon, maybe hes a little behind them.

lmao. I agree with ALL OF THE ABOVE in unequivocal fashion. Are you a NFL GM somewhere? Lombardi IS THAT YOU!?!?! (Nah you wouldn't be the guy dicking up the Browns) EDIT: I didn't want to be the guy to put out the Ryan Matthews problem. I've been accused of "breaking the conduct" rules by Mr. Roid in recent past. I figured I'd take it easy this time out.

Chucktownsteeler
01-22-2013, 07:58 PM
Can someone define "Elite"?

D Rock
01-22-2013, 09:46 PM
Can someone define "Elite"?

apparently good rushing stats have something to do with it

Kaepernick, Wilson, Matthews...


yep, must have something to do with rushing stats

DukieBoy
01-22-2013, 10:06 PM
Can someone define "Elite"?

Can't really define it, but this is apparently the next level up:

the elite of the elite

lloydroid
01-22-2013, 10:45 PM
Can someone define "Elite"?

In my mind, a top 5 QB who is the difference between winning and losing, period.

feltdizz
01-22-2013, 11:30 PM
Who is Ryan Matthews?

bowldog
01-22-2013, 11:32 PM
I think Ben is definately elite, because if you put any of those qb's behind our OL would there numbers stack up to what Ben has done. I don't think so.

ikestops85
01-23-2013, 05:36 PM
Who is Ryan Matthews?

He's either the Atlanta QB or the San Diego RB. It depends if there is supposed to be a comma after "Ryan". :lol:

lloydroid
01-23-2013, 05:52 PM
He's either the Atlanta QB or the San Diego RB. It depends if there is supposed to be a comma after "Ryan". :lol:

I constantly make that mistake. Oh well. Call the press.

skyhawk
01-24-2013, 01:42 AM
A lot of chokers on that elite list IMO.

skyhawk
01-24-2013, 01:45 AM
Oh, I get it. He means Matthew Ryans. WTF? Really?

D Rock
01-24-2013, 08:54 AM
what defines an insanesteelerfan?

doing the same thing (making the same mistake) over and over again and expecting a different result (your rants to finally make sense)

lloydroid
01-24-2013, 06:09 PM
what defines an insanesteelerfan?

doing the same thing (making the same mistake) over and over again and expecting a different result (your rants to finally make sense)

Trying to turn another thread into another personal insult. I guess no one cares about stated board rules. I guess there is only "selective" reinforcement.