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hawaiiansteel
01-16-2013, 04:45 PM
2013 NFL Draft: Steelers Draft Prospects by Position - Safety

By seton hall and steelers on Jan 15

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The Steelers have been blessed by some of the best safety play in the league over the past five or so years, with two pro bowl caliber starting safeties in Ryan Clark and Troy Polamalu. However, both Clark and Polamalu are aging and while backup safety Will Allen played incredibly well in replacement of Polamalu, the Steelers could use a new, young safety to become the next star of the defense.

First Round Options:

Kenny Vaccaro, free safety, Texas - Vaccaro, at 6-foot-1, 218 pounds, has great size for an NFL free safety. He has shown over the course of his career to have the ability to come up and cover slot receivers with great ease. He was a three year starter at Texas and got better each year. This year, he totaled 96 tackles, two interceptions, 3.5 tackles for a loss, five pass breakups, and two forced fumbles. He is not an elite ballhawk but he is a great safety prospect who could start immediately if needed but would likely play on special teams and in nickel packages as a rookie. He is projected as a top 20 pick.

Matt Elam, strong safety, Florida - Elam, at just 5-foot-10, 202 pounds, is much smaller than Vaccaro but he is a great athlete. He is a two year starter for Florida. This year, he had 76 tackles and four interceptions but he was best playing around the line of scrimmage, getting 11 tackles for a loss and two sacks. He has unbelievable instincts, great closing speed, and is ruthless in the run game. He reminds me a lot of Polamalu in his prime and could be available at pick 17. He is projected currently as a top 25 pick.

Tony Jefferson, free safety, Oklahoma - Jefferson, at 5-foot-11, 198 pounds, was a highly rated recruit coming out of high school and he has started in all three of his years at Oklahoma. This year, he had 119 tackles, two interceptions, 3.5 tackles for a loss, and half a sack. He is a player who relies on his instincts to make the right read in the running game and plays very much like current Steelers safety Ryan Clark.

Second Round Options:

Eric Reid, free safety, LSU - Reid, at 6-foot-2, 212 pounds, is a big-bodied safety but he does not play to his size. He played mostly center field in his two years as an LSU starter and is rarely around the line of scrimmage. He has great athleticism and makes good reads on passing plays. This year, he had 91 tackles, two interceptions, and one tackle for a loss. He could rise to the late first round but his lack of splash plays will likely keep him in round two.

Phillip Thomas, free safety, Fresno State - Thomas, a 6-foot-1, 215 pound safety is an absolute ball hawk. This year, he amassed eight interceptions, three of which he returned for a touchdown, 84 tackles, 12 tackles for a loss, and four sacks. However, he did all of this playing against lower competition. He is a good athlete with huge upside and he could rise to a top 40 pick by draft time.

Mid Round Options:

Robert Lester, strong safety, Alabama - Lester is a rare player in that he started for three years at Alabama. He also is one of a few players ever to win three national championships. His best year ever was his sophomore season, when he intercepted eight passes. This year, he played all right at times and awful at others, totaling 48 tackles, four interceptions, 3.5 tackles for a loss, and 1.5 sacks. He seems to lack elite speed but plays the game smart and is usually in the right spot. However, he does not appear to be great in run support. He is projected as a third or fourth round pick.

Shawn Williams, strong safety, Georgia - Williams, at 6-foot-1, 217 pounds, is a third to fourth round prospect with some upside. He is a good athlete that totaled 98 tackles, 5.5 tackles for a loss, and one sack this year. He plays around the line of scrimmage a lot and is good in the run game but he struggles at times with reading play action. He has given up a few too many big plays this year. However, a lot of his problems seem to be in technique and that could be coached by Steelers star coach Carnell Lake.

Duke Williams, strong safety, Nevada - Williams, at 6-foot-1, 200 pounds, is a great athlete who thrives when using his instincts. He is a little small and does not do much form tackling and therefore, he misses a few too many tackles. However, this year, he did total 105 tackles, 5.5 tackles for a loss, one interception, and three forced fumbles. When he hits you, he is going to hurt you. He is projected as a third to fourth round pick and with proper coaching, he could become a star.

Bacarri Rambo, free safety, Georgia - Rambo, at 6-foot-0, 210 pounds, is an athletic safety who still has to learn the position. This year, he had 73 tackles, three interceptions, one tackle for a loss, and one sack. He has pretty poor technique and that causes him to miss a couple tackles and give up some big plays, but again, if anyone can coach him up, it is Carnell Lake. However, he has had problems with the law in the past and that might take him off the Steelers radar. He is projected as a third to fourth round pick.

T.J. McDonald, free safety, USC - McDonald is a big safety at 6-foot-3, 205 pounds, and he is a good athlete. He had an incredible junior season and would have been a first round pick last year had he declared but he struggled a lot this year. He was exposed as someone who mis-reads a lot of routes and bites on double moves often. However, despite having an "awful" year, he totaled 119 tackles, 6.5 tackles for a loss, two interceptions, and a sack. He needs a lot of work on his technique, but you could do a lot worse with a third or fourth round pick.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/1/15/3876242/2013-nfl-draft-mock-steelers-position-depth-safety

Dee Dub
01-16-2013, 04:55 PM
Bacarri Rambo, free safety, Georgia - Rambo, at 6-foot-0, 210 pounds, is an athletic safety who still has to learn the position. This year, he had 73 tackles, three interceptions, one tackle for a loss, and one sack. He has pretty poor technique and that causes him to miss a couple tackles and give up some big plays, but again, if anyone can coach him up, it is Carnell Lake. However, he has had problems with the law in the past and that might take him off the Steelers radar. He is projected as a third to fourth round pick.


The best free safety in this draft. He is big hitter and goes for the knock out a lot so on occasion yes he can miss a tackle here or there, however....

16 INT's, 34 PD's, and 6 FF's over his college career tells you about his cover skills as well as where he is in regards to where the ball is.

But as mention his mistake may take him off the Steelers board.

supersteeler
01-16-2013, 06:07 PM
I like Vaccaro the most out of all of them, with rainey and his recent issues I think if a prospect has any off field issue they won't consider that player. Rainey had them and they won't get burnt again.

BigRob
01-16-2013, 07:15 PM
2013 NFL Draft: Steelers Draft Prospects by Position - Safety

By seton hall and steelers on Jan 15


http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/1/15/3876242/2013-nfl-draft-mock-steelers-position-depth-safety

Screw these guys. They have little to no knowledge. How do you leave D.J. Swearinger off of this list? He has experience at corner and safety.

The guy is ferocious and will be taken in the second round depending on how he runs.

focosteeler
01-16-2013, 08:42 PM
Screw these guys. They have little to no knowledge. How do you leave D.J. Swearinger off of this list? He has experience at corner and safety.

The guy is ferocious and will be taken in the second round depending on how he runs.

First thing I thought of when I saw the list. I think D.J. is in the running for best safety in the draft

steelz09
01-17-2013, 11:53 AM
In any particular order, I wouldn't mind a FS, ILB, OLB in the 1st 3 rounds.

Robert Golden and Sean Spence have potential and I won't close the door on either but these 3 are huge needs in my opinion. As far as the o-line goes, I would draft for depth because I think the Steelers know their ideal starters already whether I agree with it or not. I would think about a developmental TE as another option in the mid rounds. I would add a WR as a wild card depending on the Wallace situation. If Wallace leaves (likely), I think a WR could be drafted anywhere depending on BPA and how the draft progresses.

hawaiiansteel
01-22-2013, 01:33 AM
Steelers 2013 salary cap options - Safeties

By SteelCityRoller on Jan 19

Pittsburgh has several key players whose contracts will demand special attention this off-season. Possible releases could consume one of the Steelers starting safeties - maybe both.

Suspicious minds are examining veteran contracts after general manager Kevin Colbert declared the Pittsburgh Steelers were "married" to no one. Key figures from championship rosters of the past are finding their careers exist on a bubble inflated with nostalgia.

As we continue our positional exploration of the 2013 roster and its compliance with the NFL salary cap, we have already recognized two highly paid players on the bubble list - Willie Colon and James Harrison. Opening the safety group reveals two more players whose tenures are in question, both starters - Troy Polamalu and Ryan Clark.

Polamalu, Pittsburgh's long-haired legend, missed nine games in his tenth NFL season. Despite healthily starting every game in 2011 and the final five contests of 2012, some have come to label him as injury-prone. Polamalu has played in 130 of 160 regular season games since being drafted in the first round of the 2003 NFL Draft. He has appeared in every possible game for five of his ten seasons.

At 31 years of age, one would assume he should be able to fulfill his contract, which has two years remaining; but people are questioning whether the Steelers should honor his contract, which accounts for the fourth-highest cap hit in 2013, based on a perceived uncertainty surrounding his ability to play an entire season, as time continues to erode the abilities which make him unique and dominant.

Polamalu is scheduled for cap hits of $10,387,500 (2013) and $11,137,500 (2014), but only $2,887,500 of each year is considered dead money - residual cap designations from signing bonuses which cannot be reassigned or restructured. With dead money being considerably low in ratio to base salaries, his contract has a wide range of options toward clearing cap space. We will focus on three.

First, Pittsburgh could release Polamalu - fear of injury or not - to clear some cap space in 2013, and all of his hit against 2014. His dead money would accelerate to a penalty of $5.775 million against 2013, but the Steelers would save $4,612,500 from his originally scheduled cap hit, while completely erasing his hit in 2014. The biggest problem with parting ways with Polamalu is the fact Pittsburgh doesn't have a definite replacement on the roster yet, leaving many to believe the Steelers will draft a safety early in the upcoming draft.

Should Pittsburgh decide to keep him for one more season, allowing a possible draft pick to understudy a future hall-of-famer, they could restructure his contract. Normally, team's don't restructure two year deals, but it would save some cap dollars without losing him in 2013. Should the team restructure $6.4 million of his $7.5 million base salary into a signing bonus, they could charge half ($3.2 million) to 2014, saving an equal amount in 2013. If Polamalu wants to play in 2014, the Steelers could offer him an extension without its own signing bonus, giving them extra years to spread restructured money across. An extension would allow the team to deal with a reduced dead money penalty in 2015, covering only money restructured out of 2013 and 2014.

The third option is to do nothing, allow him to play out 2013 and make the same tough decision prior to 2014, only with half of the penalty when considering release or retirement. The Steelers will most likely wish to retain him somehow, because all of the remaining safeties on their roster fit the mold of Clark, more than they do Polamalu.

The group of reserves behind the starters has only one member who was on the 53-man roster to open the 2012 season - Robert Golden. Golden saw most of his action on special teams and spot slot duty in defensive packages late in the season after Ike Taylor, Curtis Brown and Keenan Lewis began dealing with injuries. His flexibility between safety and corner make him a valuable player, but he will need to show more improvement before being considered as a possible starter.

Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith has spent the past several seasons bouncing between the Steelers active roster and its practice squad. He will need to have a tremendous training camp as he will not only be expected to outshine any incoming draft picks to earn the spot behind Polamalu on the depth chart, but also make Pittsburgh forget about their two top reserve safeties from 2012 - Ryan Mundy and Will Allen.

Allen re-endeared himself to the Steelers when he took over for a struggling and unproductive Mundy as the team patiently awaited Polamalu's recovery. Both Allen and Mundy are about to become unrestricted free agents. Unfortunately Mundy's performance has not warranted another contract, and Allen's years of experience will demand too high of a contract even at CBA-mandated minimum, because of the team's position in regards to the salary cap.

Even Clark could become a cap casualty in 2013 - the final year on his contract. He is the least likely to be released of our bubble list players, but after dealing with a couple of concussions in 2012, his physical style of play is taking a toll on his longevity. The only real option outside of doing nothing at all, would be to release him. Subtracting his dead money from his originally scheduled cap hit saves $3.5 million dollars against the cap. Clark was one of the biggest reasons for pass-defensive success as players were repeatedly subbed in for injured men this past season. However, as Colbert said, the Steelers aren't married to anybody anymore.

Little has changed, outside of adding both Polamalu and Clark to our bubble list. After positional breakdowns have been explored, the bubble list will be revisited to determine which players are preventing the club from being cap compliant. Our cut list remains the same as well, however it won't remain this way for long.

Even if Pittsburgh does not sign any free agents other than their own players whose contracts have expired, there are at least seven more players which have to be accounted for in our cap math - our upcoming draft picks. The following numbers are merely estimates - budgets to accommodate for eventual insertions. The Steelers are slated to select 17th. These figures were calculated by using the contracts of the 16th selections from each round of the 2012 draft, with an additional $15,000 per season of base salary to compensate for the league-wide increase in salary cap, rookie and veteran minimum scale, and tags and tenders. These estimates will be updated once actual contracts have been signed.

The biggest question now, is where to assign these numbers to our 53-man ledger. We will include these numbers to insure we maintain our relativity to the cap in reality. I will let the readers decide where to assign these designations. The poll below asks which position the Steelers will draft with their first round pick. Whichever position the majority selects is where we'll insert the draft selection and make any necessary cuts to make room for the new player.

In our next installment, we will insert our first draft pick and explore another group of multi-taskers. Safeties are required to support run defense and cover pass receivers. On offense, tight ends are expected to block defenders and catch passes. In Pittsburgh, a tight end is arguably the most important player of his team's offensive unit; but his injured knee will make his contract one of the most glaring issues for the Steelers front office.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/1/19/3887546/steelers-2013-salary-cap-options-safeties-roster-release-free-agents-polamalu-clark-allen

Dee Dub
01-22-2013, 01:55 AM
Phillip Thomas, free safety, Fresno State - Thomas, a 6-foot-1, 215 pound safety is an absolute ball hawk. This year, he amassed eight interceptions, three of which he returned for a touchdown, 84 tackles, 12 tackles for a loss, and four sacks. However, he did all of this playing against lower competition. He is a good athlete with huge upside and he could rise to a top 40 pick by draft time.

He didn't look so good in the one on one coverage today at the Senior Bowl practice. Struggled.

hawaiiansteel
01-22-2013, 02:05 AM
He didn't look so good in the one on one coverage today at the Senior Bowl practice. Struggled.

Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State:

The emphasis on the passing game has NFL scouts searching for athletic deep-middle defenders with cover skills and big-hit ability. Thomas had a knack for making big plays as a senior at Fresno State (eight interceptions and three pick-sixes), but scouts still have reservations about his overall speed and athleticism.

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story/0ap1000000129322/article/mike-glennon-ezekiel-ansah-among-hot-senior-bowl-prospects

Dee Dub
01-22-2013, 02:09 AM
Screw these guys. They have little to no knowledge. How do you leave D.J. Swearinger off of this list? He has experience at corner and safety.

The guy is ferocious and will be taken in the second round depending on how he runs.

D.J. Swearinger may have just taken himself off some lists himself. He no-showed the Senior Bowl but worse than that he canceled within 72 hours. They do not like that. Not good.

SS Laser
01-22-2013, 02:14 AM
Did anyone see anything out of Golden? Can anyone see 2 safeties taken by the steelers in this draft? 2 Lb's, 2 o-line man, 2 WR's, 2 CB's? Also can Ike play FS? Will he do that towards the end of his career?

ikestops85
01-22-2013, 01:57 PM
Did anyone see anything out of Golden? Can anyone see 2 safeties taken by the steelers in this draft? 2 Lb's, 2 o-line man, 2 WR's, 2 CB's? Also can Ike play FS? Will he do that towards the end of his career?

I don't think Ike has the skill set to play FS. He does a good job playing man and shadowing a receiver but when the ball is in the air he gets lost. He also isn't the fastest closer on the ball when he sits back in a zone. He might be a better SS than FS because he is a good tackler and he could stay with some of the athletic TEs in the league.

hawaiiansteel
01-22-2013, 11:17 PM
2013 Senior Bowl: Monday Risers-Fallers

By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
January 22, 2013

While one practice won't change a player's evaluation, every action a prospect makes during Senior Bowl week will be under a microscope.

RISERS

SS Jonathan Cyprien, Florida International

In a talented safety group, Florida International's Jonathan Cyprien stood out on Monday with his aggressive playing style and active demeanor. He practiced at full speed and left it all out on the field, not shying away from getting physical. Whether it was a contact drill or not, Cyprien is going to meet the ballcarrier with a pop, refusing to let up. With Kenny Vaccaro (Texas) and D.J. Swearinger (South Carolina) deciding to skip Mobile, Cyprien has a chance to emerge as the top safety at this year's Senior Bowl.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21595095/2013-senior-bowl-monday-risers-fallers

focosteeler
01-23-2013, 12:23 AM
D.J. Swearinger may have just taken himself off some lists himself. He no-showed the Senior Bowl but worse than that he canceled within 72 hours. They do not like that. Not good.

I read that Swearinger pulled out due to injury. Is it really that big of a deal if it is an injury compared to not wanting to participate?

Dee Dub
01-23-2013, 01:28 AM
I read that Swearinger pulled out due to injury. Is it really that big of a deal if it is an injury compared to not wanting to participate?

That is not what they said yesterday. And for what ever reason he waited till 3 days before the Senior Bowl week to inform he wasn't coming. Not good.

Keyplay1
01-23-2013, 09:21 AM
Steelers 2013 salary cap options - Safeties

By SteelCityRoller on Jan 19 [Who is the SteelCityRoller??]

First, Pittsburgh could release Polamalu - fear of injury or not - to clear some cap space in 2013, and all of his hit against 2014. His dead money would accelerate to a penalty of $5.775 million against 2013, but the Steelers would save $4,612,500 from his originally scheduled cap hit, while completely erasing his hit in 2014. The biggest problem with parting ways with Polamalu is the fact Pittsburgh doesn't have a definite replacement on the roster yet, leaving many to believe the Steelers will draft a safety early in the upcoming draft.

Should Pittsburgh decide to keep him for one more season, allowing a possible draft pick to understudy a future hall-of-famer, they could restructure his contract. Normally, team's don't restructure two year deals, but it would save some cap dollars without losing him in 2013. Should the team restructure $6.4 million of his $7.5 million base salary into a signing bonus, they could charge half ($3.2 million) to 2014, saving an equal amount in 2013. If Polamalu wants to play in 2014, the Steelers could offer him an extension without its own signing bonus, giving them extra years to spread restructured money across. An extension would allow the team to deal with a reduced dead money penalty in 2015, covering only money restructured out of 2013 and 2014.

The third option is to do nothing, allow him to play out 2013 and make the same tough decision prior to 2014, only with half of the penalty when considering release or retirement. The Steelers will most likely wish to retain him somehow, because all of the remaining safeties on their roster fit the mold of Clark, more than they do Polamalu.
First, Pittsburgh could release Polamalu - fear of injury or not - to clear some cap space in 2013, and all of his hit against 2014. His dead money would accelerate to a penalty of $5.775 million against 2013, but the Steelers would save $4,612,500 from his originally scheduled cap hit, while completely erasing his hit in 2014. The biggest problem with parting ways with Polamalu is the fact Pittsburgh doesn't have a definite replacement on the roster yet, leaving many to believe the Steelers will draft a safety early in the upcoming draft.

Should Pittsburgh decide to keep him for one more season, allowing a possible draft pick to understudy a future hall-of-famer, they could restructure his contract. Normally, team's don't restructure two year deals, but it would save some cap dollars without losing him in 2013. Should the team restructure $6.4 million of his $7.5 million base salary into a signing bonus, they could charge half ($3.2 million) to 2014, saving an equal amount in 2013. If Polamalu wants to play in 2014, the Steelers could offer him an extension without its own signing bonus, giving them extra years to spread restructured money across. An extension would allow the team to deal with a reduced dead money penalty in 2015, covering only money restructured out of 2013 and 2014.

The third option is to do nothing, allow him to play out 2013 and make the same tough decision prior to 2014, only with half of the penalty when considering release or retirement. The Steelers will most likely wish to retain him somehow, because all of the remaining safeties on their roster fit the mold of Clark, more than they do Polamalu.
First, Pittsburgh could release Polamalu - fear of injury or not - to clear some cap space in 2013, and all of his hit against 2014. His dead money would accelerate to a penalty of $5.775 million against 2013, but the Steelers would save $4,612,500 from his originally scheduled cap hit, while completely erasing his hit in 2014. The biggest problem with parting ways with Polamalu is the fact Pittsburgh doesn't have a definite replacement on the roster yet, leaving many to believe the Steelers will draft a safety early in the upcoming draft.

Should Pittsburgh decide to keep him for one more season, allowing a possible draft pick to understudy a future hall-of-famer, they could restructure his contract. Normally, team's don't restructure two year deals, but it would save some cap dollars without losing him in 2013. Should the team restructure $6.4 million of his $7.5 million base salary into a signing bonus, they could charge half ($3.2 million) to 2014, saving an equal amount in 2013. If Polamalu wants to play in 2014, the Steelers could offer him an extension without its own signing bonus, giving them extra years to spread restructured money across. An extension would allow the team to deal with a reduced dead money penalty in 2015, covering only money restructured out of 2013 and 2014.

The third option is to do nothing, allow him to play out 2013 and make the same tough decision prior to 2014, only with half of the penalty when considering release or retirement. The Steelers will most likely wish to retain him somehow, because all of the remaining safeties on their roster fit the mold of Clark, more than they do Polamalu.

---Hmm! Hadn't figured on that one. So now we can add a possible Safety to the list of possible #1 picks. Okay, if there is an Andrew Luck type valued player at that position this year why not?

Then if that does occur [which I doubt] I would take the Rollers option 2 for Troy and go from there.

Chadman
01-23-2013, 09:58 AM
Due to age & contract length- Chadman thinks both Polamalu & Clark will play out their deals as they are.

Focosteeler has a guy in his mock that Chadman would like opinions of- Syracuse's SS Shamarko Thomas. Read that he's clocked at 4.39- which is Troy-like comming out of college. Watching tape, and he flies around the field. Anyone watch Syracuse much?

NW Steeler
01-23-2013, 11:52 AM
No way in hell Polamalu gets released.

phillyesq
01-23-2013, 11:57 AM
No way in hell Polamalu gets released.

Agree completely.

NW Steeler
01-23-2013, 01:41 PM
I think we will obviously see several re-structures for the guys that have more years left on their contracts, and maybe a semi-surprise cut such as Harrison. Boy, talk about becoming paper thin at OLB. I sure hope Woodley re-discovers his mojo and Worilds is ready to take the next step.

BigRob
01-23-2013, 01:53 PM
That is not what they said yesterday. And for what ever reason he waited till 3 days before the Senior Bowl week to inform he wasn't coming. Not good.

I wonder who is agent is. He's not a first round lock. He must be getting bad advice from whoever it is representing him.

By the way, Bacarri Rambo has looked atrocious at the Senior Bowl. I know better than to go just based on all star games, but scouts are going to scrutinize him even more.

Maybe it is just a lack of preparation for this week, but I bet he doesn't get selected before the 4th round. The safeties are just too deep of a class this year. If he runs out of this world, it will pick his stock back up.

BigRob
01-23-2013, 01:54 PM
2013 Senior Bowl: Monday Risers-Fallers

By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
January 22, 2013

While one practice won't change a player's evaluation, every action a prospect makes during Senior Bowl week will be under a microscope.

RISERS

SS Jonathan Cyprien, Florida International

In a talented safety group, Florida International's Jonathan Cyprien stood out on Monday with his aggressive playing style and active demeanor. He practiced at full speed and left it all out on the field, not shying away from getting physical. Whether it was a contact drill or not, Cyprien is going to meet the ballcarrier with a pop, refusing to let up. With Kenny Vaccaro (Texas) and D.J. Swearinger (South Carolina) deciding to skip Mobile, Cyprien has a chance to emerge as the top safety at this year's Senior Bowl.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21595095/2013-senior-bowl-monday-risers-fallers

Started a post about this guy yesterday. I don't get Sun Belt games, but apparently this guy brings the heat every game.

Dee Dub
01-23-2013, 03:18 PM
I wonder who is agent is. He's not a first round lock. He must be getting bad advice from whoever it is representing him.

By the way, Bacarri Rambo has looked atrocious at the Senior Bowl. I know better than to go just based on all star games, but scouts are going to scrutinize him even more.

Maybe it is just a lack of preparation for this week, but I bet he doesn't get selected before the 4th round. The safeties are just too deep of a class this year. If he runs out of this world, it will pick his stock back up.

I knew you would say this...but you are forgetting safeties going one on one with WR's (as we see in these Senior Bowl drills), is usually a fail. That is why they are not corners. I am not worried about how he stacks up versus a WR in one on one coverage. He will hardly ever be asked to do that. What he excels at is playing center field and playing the QB and ball. That is a true test of a free safety. And with 16 career INT's and 34 PD's we see he is very good at that. ;)

BigRob
01-23-2013, 04:01 PM
I knew you would say this...but you are forgetting safeties going one on one with WR's (as we see in these Senior Bowl drills), is usually a fail. That is why they are not corners. I am not worried about how he stacks up versus a WR in one on one coverage. He will hardly ever be asked to do that. What he excels at is playing center field and playing the QB and ball. That is a true test of a free safety. And with 16 career INT's and 34 PD's we see he is very good at that. ;)


I wouldn't touch him before the 4th rd. His running mate Williams looks like a 6th rounder. His draft stock is going to hinge on how he runs, and I bet it isn't going to be real fast.

And to be real, he has looked just as bad in team drills and 11 on 11 in practice as he has individually. They aren't just doing one on one drills in practice.

lloydroid
01-23-2013, 04:11 PM
The best free safety in this draft. He is big hitter and goes for the knock out a lot so on occasion yes he can miss a tackle here or there, however....

16 INT's, 34 PD's, and 6 FF's over his college career tells you about his cover skills as well as where he is in regards to where the ball is.

But as mention his mistake may take him off the Steelers board.

If he falls to the 4th grab him. I really don't like with Vacarro that they say, "He isn't an elite ball hawk." For a team lacking in pics, we can't afford a high pick on a guy who isn't an elite ball hawk. We need him to be, desperately.

Shoe
01-23-2013, 08:35 PM
I'm all for BPA, but I gotta say: I HATE the idea of taking a Safety with our first pick. Unless there is a Polamalu/Ed Reed type instinctive guru available, I totally don't like the idea. Safety is a position where you can easily fill with a former Corner. Second, most Safeties I tend to remember who were drafted in the 1st round were disappointments.

lloydroid
01-23-2013, 08:53 PM
I'm all for BPA, but I gotta say: I HATE the idea of taking a Safety with our first pick. Unless there is a Polamalu/Ed Reed type instinctive guru available, I totally don't like the idea. Safety is a position where you can easily fill with a former Corner. Second, most Safeties I tend to remember who were drafted in the 1st round were disappointments.

I'm not crazy about it myself. I'd say there are entire draft classes without safeties worth taking in the 1st round. Reed and Polamalu are the exceptions to the rule.

Dee Dub
01-23-2013, 09:10 PM
Started a post about this guy yesterday. I don't get Sun Belt games, but apparently this guy brings the heat every game.

Just saw him talking to Mike Tomlin on the sidelines at the Senior Bowl practice. Interesting.

hawaiiansteel
01-24-2013, 12:50 AM
Oklahoma football: Online report raises questions about NFL-bound Tony Jefferson

According to a controversial tidbit in a WalterFootball.com draft scouting report, OU coaches have told NFL scouts that Tony Jefferson had “horrible practice habits and a lack of work ethic in the weight room.”

By Jason Kersey | Published: January 23, 2013

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Tony Jefferson (1) speaks to the press at a media availability for the University of Oklahoma Sooner (OU) football team following practice on Tuesday, Aug. 21, 2012 in Norman, Okla. Photo by Steve Sisney, The Oklahoman

NORMAN — Oklahoma football enters another offseason clouded by questions stemming from a second straight season largely defined by subpar defense.

The blame has fallen on two coordinators — first Brent Venables, then Mike Stoops — lacking talent on the defensive line, too much schematic tinkering and a conference filled with fantastic quarterbacks directing spread offenses.

But one online report raised questions about the second-team All-America safety, considered one of Oklahoma's defensive leaders the past two seasons.

According to a controversial tidbit in a WalterFootball.com draft scouting report, OU coaches have told NFL scouts that former safety Tony Jefferson — who chose to skip his senior season and enter April's NFL Draft — had “horrible practice habits and a lack of work ethic in the weight room.”

A spokeswoman for Octagon Football, which represents Jefferson, declined The Oklahoman's request Wednesday for an interview.

Jefferson, though, unleashed a barrage of tweets Tuesday in response to the report.

“Also y'all be careful who y'all let pat you on the back,” read the final part of Jefferson's several- tweet response. “They could be patting you on ur back to find a soft spot, just to stab you in it!”

In response to an OU fan on Twitter, Jefferson said, “been a leader in the weightroom since I got there.”

To another Twitter user, he said, “Coaches hate me man. It's all good tho.”

Sooner coaches never once specifically criticized Jefferson's work ethic or commitment; to the contrary, Mike Stoops often praised Jefferson for playing most of last season on a badly sprained ankle.

For much of his sophomore season, Jefferson played with a sprained knee.

ESPN.com ranks Jefferson as the fifth-best safety prospect available in the 2013 draft.

Last week on a conference call with reporters, ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr., said he expects Jefferson to be a second-round pick.

“I like the way he plays the game,” Kiper said. “He's got real good awareness. Real good instincts for the position. He's been a playmaker his whole career.”

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steelblood
01-24-2013, 10:10 AM
I like Vaccaro the most out of all of them, with rainey and his recent issues I think if a prospect has any off field issue they won't consider that player. Rainey had them and they won't get burnt again.

Vaccaro is good in man coverage on TEs and most WRs. He is physical and very athletic. That is impressive. What I don't understand is that scouts seem to overlook that he is a very spotty tackler and regularly whiffs (like most of the Texas defense). Also, and this is difficult to tell on TV, it seems like he does not have elite instincts/centerfielder skills when working the back half. He is often slow to react imho.

steelz09
01-24-2013, 01:14 PM
I like Reid from LSU regardless of if he's a SS or FS. We could use either. He might have had a disappointing season but that guy is a player and leader... We need both of these as well!

It appears that the safety class is solid and a value could be had in rounds 2 and 3. I wouldn't be disappointed if we waited until then to draft a S but I DEFINITELY think it should be a high priority in this draft.