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Dee Dub
01-16-2013, 12:38 PM
17-Ezekiel Ansah OLB BYU 6 ft 6 272

Analysis: If you could hand an exceptional physical talent with an extraordinarily high ceiling but plenty of development required to one defensive coordinator, whom would you choose ahead of Dick LeBeau? Ansah is a big-time athletic talent, a guy who at 270-plus pounds has the burst and top-end speed of a track star. He'll get comparisons to a player such as Jason Pierre-Paul (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13256/jason-pierre-paul) between now and April, because his potential to be a star is there, but he needs coaching. The Steelers must get younger on defense, and Ansah makes sense given their track record of development.

Chance Warmack goes 7th overall to Arizona and Manti Te'o goes 8th to Buffalo.

Slapstick
01-16-2013, 12:52 PM
I strongly doubt that a guard and an inside backer go in the top 10...

Not that they aren't the best players, but teams just do not pick that way...

phillyesq
01-16-2013, 01:04 PM
All pre-combine, but from the mocks I've seen, it looks like there are going to be some pass rushing options available for the Steelers. I would hate to see the Steelers use a first round pick on a WR, but there also should be some options if they go that route, either at 17 or if they are able to drop back.

RuthlessBurgher
01-16-2013, 01:19 PM
I strongly doubt that a guard and an inside backer go in the top 10...

Not that they aren't the best players, but teams just do not pick that way...

True, but we are talking about the Cardinals and Bills here. ;)

papillon
01-16-2013, 01:20 PM
Walter Football has him at 1.9
Gil Brandt has him at 1.12

After that he's anywhere from 1.19 to 1.28 in many mock drafts.

It seems he would fill an immediate need as a pass rushing specialist on 3rd down for the Steelers and would need to learn a bit about run defense. I'm not sure that D1ck Lebeau would replace Woodley or Harrison on 3rd down for a rookie. He sounds like a freak, but it's unlikely he has any impact on the Steelers in the upcoming year.

One of these guys Jonathan Hankins, Chance Warmack, John Jenkins, Cordarrelle Patterson or Jesse Williams should be available at 1.17 and could potentially have an immediate impact at a position (NT, WR, LG) of need in the upcoming year.

Pappy

bowldog
01-16-2013, 01:32 PM
I would like to see us draft a pass rushing OLB for a change, he can stop the run on the way the qb. We are in a passing era and we need to able to pressure the qb on all downs.

RuthlessBurgher
01-16-2013, 01:34 PM
Although it would be weird having two guys named Ziggy on the same defense, I could see the Steeler brass drooling over the possibilities with this kid. With such natural ability, and so little experience playing the game (plus strong character as well), it seems like he would have limitless potential.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-16-2013, 01:45 PM
It's insinuated in that write up that Dick Lebeau actually coaches up players. I don't think that happens. We were unable to develop quite a few DB's until Carnell Lake came on board. Lebeau is a hall of fame CB yet Willie Gay was dreadful and inconsistent until Lake got here. Seems like Keith Butler would be the one doing the coaching, Lebeau doing the scheming.

BigRob
01-16-2013, 01:54 PM
17-Ezekiel Ansah OLB BYU 6 ft 6 272

Analysis: If you could hand an exceptional physical talent with an extraordinarily high ceiling but plenty of development required to one defensive coordinator, whom would you choose ahead of Dick LeBeau? Ansah is a big-time athletic talent, a guy who at 270-plus pounds has the burst and top-end speed of a track star. He'll get comparisons to a player such as Jason Pierre-Paul (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13256/jason-pierre-paul) between now and April, because his potential to be a star is there, but he needs coaching. The Steelers must get younger on defense, and Ansah makes sense given their track record of development.

Chance Warmack goes 7th overall to Arizona and Manti Te'o goes 8th to Buffalo.

I could live with this.

Jooser
01-16-2013, 02:05 PM
Sounds like a guy cut out of the Timmons mold. I wonder if, given his speed and athleticism, he could be converted to play opposite Lawrence in the middle? :confused:

papillon
01-16-2013, 02:09 PM
It's insinuated in that write up that Dick Lebeau actually coaches up players. I don't think that happens. We were unable to develop quite a few DB's until Carnell Lake came on board. Lebeau is a hall of fame CB yet Willie Gay was dreadful and inconsistent until Lake got here. Seems like Keith Butler would be the one doing the coaching, Lebeau doing the scheming.

Well, in that case, I guess we should give Lebeau credit for developing Troy, Ike and Clark over the past few years if we're going to blame him for Willie Gay. Not to mention, wouldn't it be the secondary coach's job to develop the corners and safeties?

Pappy

supersteeler
01-16-2013, 02:32 PM
Some Steelers fans are in Love with Lacy but read this.

Analysis
STRENGTHS:

Has the leg drive to push the pile and keeps his legs churning through contact, often resulting in broken tackles. Lacey reads his blocks nicely, showing enough lateral agility to avoid defenders as well as the burst to stick his foot in the ground and accelerate through gaps quickly.


He's a well-built back, but shows good balance (including an often-used spin move) and athleticism (leaping ability) to surprise defenders anticipating that all he has is power. Runs tough and determined with an angry attitude to finish each run and pick up positive yardage.


WEAKNSESSES: Needs to stay healthy as he's been hampered at times with foot injuries (ankle sprains, turf toe). Put the ball on the ground a few times early in his career, but improved in this area.


COMPARES TO: Michael Bush, RB, Chicago Bears - Both have the power to run over defenders while also possessing surprisingly fluid feed for their big frames.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-16-2013, 02:39 PM
Well, in that case, I guess we should give Lebeau credit for developing Troy, Ike and Clark over the past few years if we're going to blame him for Willie Gay. Not to mention, wouldn't it be the secondary coach's job to develop the corners and safeties?

Pappy

Not sure I follow your point. That's exactly what I said. The position coaches are the ones coaching the players. Lebeau is not a position coach but a coordinator.

papillon
01-16-2013, 02:42 PM
Not sure I follow your point. That's exactly what I said. The position coaches are the ones coaching the players. Lebeau is not a position coach but a coordinator.

Just a classic case of illiteracy on my part and the failure of the RIF program when I was kid.

:D

Pappy

Ghost
01-16-2013, 09:22 PM
Steelers need a home run in round one. Not a project. Hood and Heyward are serviceable but it'd nice to have a little bit more than that.

birtikidis
01-16-2013, 09:28 PM
Since when do the steelers draft for need rather than best player? I know they won't draft a qb at 17, but they're gonna get the guy they rate highest regardless of need.

SS Laser
01-16-2013, 09:32 PM
Steelers need a home run in round one. Not a project. Hood and Heyward are serviceable but it'd nice to have a little bit more than that.

You can't hit a home run in the draft without a little gamble. Even if this kid has to be a part time player like Troy his rookie year and then plays as good or better then Jimmy H. It would be nice.

NorthCoast
01-16-2013, 09:38 PM
Some Steelers fans are in Love with Lacy but read this.

Analysis
STRENGTHS:

Has the leg drive to push the pile and keeps his legs churning through contact, often resulting in broken tackles. Lacey reads his blocks nicely, showing enough lateral agility to avoid defenders as well as the burst to stick his foot in the ground and accelerate through gaps quickly.


He's a well-built back, but shows good balance (including an often-used spin move) and athleticism (leaping ability) to surprise defenders anticipating that all he has is power. Runs tough and determined with an angry attitude to finish each run and pick up positive yardage.


WEAKNSESSES: Needs to stay healthy as he's been hampered at times with foot injuries (ankle sprains, turf toe). Put the ball on the ground a few times early in his career, but improved in this area.


COMPARES TO: Michael Bush, RB, Chicago Bears - Both have the power to run over defenders while also possessing surprisingly fluid feed for their big frames.

while you focus on the negatives, I really like what I read in the positives:

keeps his legs churning through contact, often resulting in broken tackles,,,,,Runs tough and determined with an angry attitude to finish each run and pick up positive yardage.

The Steelers so sorely miss a RB that can break tackles or make that first guy miss. We haven't see that in a couple of years now.

Shoe
01-16-2013, 09:45 PM
while you focus on the negatives, I really like what I read in the positives:

keeps his legs churning through contact, often resulting in broken tackles,,,,,Runs tough and determined with an angry attitude to finish each run and pick up positive yardage.

The Steelers so sorely miss a RB that can break tackles or make that first guy miss. We haven't see that in a couple of years now.

Dwyer and Redman are GREAT in breaking tackles! What are you talking about? Both have issues with durability/playing through adversity, and Redman does lack speed... but both excel in situations where they have to break a tackle.

Leg injuries are a red flag, especially for explosive positions like RB (i.e. WR, DB, LB). It basically can rob a player of any exceptional quality that they may have had...

grotonsteel
01-17-2013, 03:13 AM
Steelers need a home run in round one. Not a project. Hood and Heyward are serviceable but it'd nice to have a little bit more than that.

Absolutely..

He looks like another project. I think he is too big to play 3-4 OLB and under-sized to play 3-4 DE.

Also he has only 4.5 sacks in college..sorry i would pass on him in Rd 1...

Jigawatts
01-17-2013, 05:30 AM
17-Ezekiel Ansah
"I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath."

http://imgon.net/di-NTZH.jpg

supersteeler
01-17-2013, 06:11 AM
Supers, Against the Grain Picks:

1. JESSIE WILLIAMS NT



2. D.J. FLUKER OT



3. TRAVIS KELCE TE




4. lE' VEON BELL RB





5. AaRON MELETTE WR




6. A.J. KLEIN ILB




7. MESHAK WILLIAMS OLB

Oviedo
01-17-2013, 09:32 AM
Walter Football has him at 1.9
Gil Brandt has him at 1.12

After that he's anywhere from 1.19 to 1.28 in many mock drafts.

It seems he would fill an immediate need as a pass rushing specialist on 3rd down for the Steelers and would need to learn a bit about run defense. I'm not sure that D1ck Lebeau would replace Woodley or Harrison on 3rd down for a rookie. He sounds like a freak, but it's unlikely he has any impact on the Steelers in the upcoming year.

One of these guys Jonathan Hankins, Chance Warmack, John Jenkins, Cordarrelle Patterson or Jesse Williams should be available at 1.17 and could potentially have an immediate impact at a position (NT, WR, LG) of need in the upcoming year.

Pappy

If you have to bring in a "specialist" to rush the QB on third down aren't we acknowledging Harrsion is done and Woodley is a "bust?" If that is the case why waste the huge salary hits.

papillon
01-17-2013, 09:40 AM
If you have to bring in a "specialist" to rush the QB on third down aren't we acknowledging Harrsion is done and Woodley is a "bust?" If that is the case why waste the huge salary hits.

That's why I included the part about, "I'm not sure DL would bring in a rookie over Woodley or Harrison." I'm fairly certain Harrison is still good to go, he was making plays and applying pressure late in the year. Woodley, I'm hoping had lingering effects from the hamstring and other assorted ailments and was never able to get close 100%.

Harrison is probably going to be cut, I can't see them eating his salary this year. Hopefully, it's a cut and resign at a significantly lower number and his agent and the Steelers are working out those numbers as we speak. He is still the best OLB on this team and it isn't close.

Pappy

Shawn
01-17-2013, 10:09 AM
The one hole in Mel's theory...the Steelers don't draft projects in the first. Ever. And while the sky is the limit for this kid, they like polished players from big programs in the first.

papillon
01-17-2013, 10:48 AM
The one hole in Mel's theory...the Steelers don't draft projects in the first. Ever. And while the sky is the limit for this kid, they like polished players from big programs in the first.

Timmons, Hood, Heyward...I'm not sure any of them were polished, Timmons and Heyward were from big programs, not sure where Missouri falls, but I think they all needed some development and weren't ready day one to start. Ansah isn't as far along as any of those guys, so, you could be right about him.

Pappy

flippy
01-17-2013, 10:58 AM
17-Ezekiel Ansah OLB BYU 6 ft 6 272

Analysis: If you could hand an exceptional physical talent with an extraordinarily high ceiling but plenty of development required to one defensive coordinator, whom would you choose ahead of Dick LeBeau? Ansah is a big-time athletic talent, a guy who at 270-plus pounds has the burst and top-end speed of a track star. He'll get comparisons to a player such as Jason Pierre-Paul (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13256/jason-pierre-paul) between now and April, because his potential to be a star is there, but he needs coaching. The Steelers must get younger on defense, and Ansah makes sense given their track record of development.

Chance Warmack goes 7th overall to Arizona and Manti Te'o goes 8th to Buffalo.

I kinda like a big OLB that might not get swallowed up by big Ts.

steelfin
01-17-2013, 11:04 AM
Timmons, Hood, Heyward...I'm not sure any of them were polished, Timmons and Heyward were from big programs, not sure where Missouri falls, but I think they all needed some development and weren't ready day one to start. Ansah isn't as far along as any of those guys, so, you could be right about him.

Pappy

Agreed...we seem to have drafted plenty of projects as of late...

I cant speak to where Ansah is at this point.

Shawn
01-18-2013, 12:21 AM
Timmons, Hood, Heyward...I'm not sure any of them were polished, Timmons and Heyward were from big programs, not sure where Missouri falls, but I think they all needed some development and weren't ready day one to start. Ansah isn't as far along as any of those guys, so, you could be right about him.

Pappy

all big schools who played big talent. They were as polished as you get late in the first.

NorthCoast
01-19-2013, 11:32 AM
True, but we are talking about the Cardinals and Bills here. ;)

Carolina took Kuechly at 9 last year.... but yea, G & ILB are exception picks.