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Dee Dub
01-15-2013, 03:57 PM
I dont think I can ever remember a Steeler off season where as many fans as there are now who are so down on this football team. If you didn't know any better you'd think we were the Cleveland Browns.

And no one seems to be immune from the abuse. I dont get it. I for one will not be swayed by this. I know this team is just a few pieces away from returning to glory. And sometimes that appears in the form of luck. It could be something the organization doesn't even do. A player could fall to them that could be a star.

I also know this team lost 5 games by 3 points or less. A little tweak here and a little more there and the Pittsburgh Steelers are right back at the top of the mountain.

I for one can't wait till Ben Roethlisberger leads the Steelers to #7. I believe it is sooner than many of our fans think. But if you need to be so down on the Steelers to make yourself feel better, then knock yourself out. I think it would be much more effective to get some counseling for that, but what do I know? I still believe in the Steelers. There must be something wrong with me I guess.

Slapstick
01-15-2013, 04:06 PM
I dont think I can ever remember a Steeler off season where as many fans as there are now who are so down on this football team. If you didn't know any better you'd think we were the Cleveland Browns.

And no one seems to be immune from the abuse. I dont get it. I for one will not be swayed by this. I know this team is just a few pieces away from returning to glory. And sometimes that appears in the form of luck. It could be something the organization doesn't even do. A player could fall to them that could be a star.

I also know this team lost 5 games by 3 points or less. A little tweak here and a little more there and the Pittsburgh Steelers are right back at the top of the mountain.

I for one can't wait till Ben Roethlisberger leads the Steelers to #7. I believe it is sooner than many of our fans think. But if you need to be so down on the Steelers to make yourself feel better, then knock yourself out. I think it would be much more effective to get some counseling for that, but what do I know? I still believe in the Steelers. There must be something wrong with me I guess.

A lot of people on the board are confusing "pessimism" with "realism"...they are very different things...

Missing the playoffs causes many to lose perspective...

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 04:12 PM
I agree but there is nothing wrong with questioning how a team went from 6-2 to 8-8 and losing a few must win games against bad competition. We lost 5 games by 3 points or less.... and that's the problem. It's always by the skin of our teeth or almost with this team. It would be nice to need a win and watch our team go out and put in a solid performance instead of looking like they are hung over from a night of partying.


Here is where I think you differ from most fans on here... most fans aren't thinking about the draft right after the opening kick off to a season. I think its easier for you to get over it because the draft is what you love... so an 8-8 season is gravy because we get to pick higher and you get to talk mock much earlier than usual. Most fans love making the playoffs... you love making mock drafts.

Just my :2c since you think something is wrong with you :D

papillon
01-15-2013, 04:16 PM
I dont think I can ever remember a Steeler off season where as many fans as there are now who are so down on this football team. If you didn't know any better you'd think we were the Cleveland Browns.

And no one seems to be immune from the abuse. I dont get it. I for one will not be swayed by this. I know this team is just a few pieces away from returning to glory. And sometimes that appears in the form of luck. It could be something the organization doesn't even do. A player could fall to them that could be a star.

I also know this team lost 5 games by 3 points or less. A little tweak here and a little more there and the Pittsburgh Steelers are right back at the top of the mountain.

I for one can't wait till Ben Roethlisberger leads the Steelers to #7. I believe it is sooner than many of our fans think. But if you need to be so down on the Steelers to make yourself feel better, then knock yourself out. I think it would be much more effective to get some counseling for that, but what do I know? I still believe in the Steelers. There must be something wrong with me I guess.

Only a few have lost all perspective of the season and they may be new to SteelerNation, because if they have been around for any length of time they would realize that the Steelers do not panic, they do evaluate what happened and will have a plan for the draft and will be ready to compete come August. The necessary changes will have been made and they will move on. As a fan of this team for a very long time even during the dark ages (1980s) the Steelers didn't make rash judgments and unsound decisions and they won't this year either. There is a lot of football and football business knowledge in the front office of the Steelers. The Steelers will compete next year and hopefully, have a better outcome than this past year, but even if they don't they won't hit the panic button and turn themselves into the Browns, Dolphins, Jets, Titans, etc.

Pappy

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 04:25 PM
Nah Pap... Fire Tomlin, Fire DL.... definitely fire the ST's coach (I mean that) and trade Ben.

Dee Dub
01-15-2013, 04:33 PM
I agree but there is nothing wrong with questioning how a team went from 6-2 to 8-8 and losing a few must win games against bad competition.

I agree with that and you have known me to do that myself. But I am not talking about that. It's the constant bashing of certain players and coaches over and over and over. It is out of hand. There's a difference.


Here is where I think you differ from most fans on here... most fans aren't thinking about the draft right after the opening kick off to a season. I think its easier for you to get over it because the draft is what you love... so an 8-8 season is gravy because we get to pick higher and you get to talk mock much earlier than usual. Most fans love making the playoffs... you love making mock drafts.

Just my :2c since you think something is wrong with you :D

This idea you have of me couldn't be farther from the truth. I love the draft because I love college football And I link them both together for my first love ..the Pittsburgh Steelers. If you think I would rather make a mock draft over the Steelers making the playoffs then you aren't a very observant person or you just don't know how to really read someone. And it is not easy for me to get over a season like the past. I saw this coming. If you read some of my posts early in the season I didnt think this was a team that would be great. But as I said then I think they are close. And all they need to so is a few tweaks here and there. Nothing drastic. I bleed Black and Gold so it affects me as much as it affects you.

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 04:44 PM
Not questioning your passion for the Steelers Dub... I just think your passion is watching players who can help our team next year vs what we are doing this year.

"would you rather make the playoffs/lose the last game or lose and get a higher draft pick?"

I don;t know who posted it but IMO when people look towards the draft early and often it's usually easier for them to get over the season. I predicted 10-6..expected the playoffs. Hell, even if I fell on my head and predicted 6-10 I would still be furious if we were 6-2 or 6-3 and ended up 8-8.

But that's just me and my opinion.. maybe I'm wrong. :D

lloydroid
01-15-2013, 04:59 PM
I dont think I can ever remember a Steeler off season where as many fans as there are now who are so down on this football team. If you didn't know any better you'd think we were the Cleveland Browns.

Actually, Browns' fans remain inappropriately optimistic where almost all else would realize there is no hope (other than now, which I think they are actually on the verge of getting decent.) The reason some of us are "down" on the Steelers is because we were supposed to be a legit contender this year and the completely embarrassing losses to so many bad teams causes us to be sickened by an undisciplined, sloppy, unfocused team. It was because this team should never have lost to SD, TN, Oak and Cle that so many of us are ticked off.


And no one seems to be immune from the abuse. I dont get it. I for one will not be swayed by this. I know this team is just a few pieces away from returning to glory. And sometimes that appears in the form of luck. It could be something the organization doesn't even do. A player could fall to them that could be a star.

I don't see anyone claiming that the team is doomed. But some are angry that they have so under-performed.


I also know this team lost 5 games by 3 points or less. A little tweak here and a little more there and the Pittsburgh Steelers are right back at the top of the mountain.

This is inaccurate. This team, even if they won some of those games, is no where near as good as the truly best teams. NE and SF would bury them, by 20 or 30.


I for one can't wait till Ben Roethlisberger leads the Steelers to #7. I believe it is sooner than many of our fans think. But if you need to be so down on the Steelers to make yourself feel better, then knock yourself out. I think it would be much more effective to get some counseling for that, but what do I know? I still believe in the Steelers. There must be something wrong with me I guess.

How does being realistic about the Steelers make anyone "feel better about themselves?" That is illogical. Bonehead Ben will not be leading us to any ring #7 until he gets more serious about his play. This isn't an intra mural team, playing for your frat with a keg on the sidelines, but he acts like it is. He seems to only take this serious AFTER he loses a Super Bowl or losing a game to end our season. His careless play is a big reason we didn't make the post season. And, his teammates don't seem to believe in him or feel he's sincere. Until he takes this seriously, we will not see another ring.

lloydroid
01-15-2013, 05:02 PM
Not questioning your passion for the Steelers Dub... I just think your passion is watching players who can help our team next year vs what we are doing this year.

"would you rather make the playoffs/lose the last game or lose and get a higher draft pick?"

I don;t know who posted it but IMO when people look towards the draft early and often it's usually easier for them to get over the season. I predicted 10-6..expected the playoffs. Hell, even if I fell on my head and predicted 6-10 I would still be furious if we were 6-2 or 6-3 and ended up 8-8.

But that's just me and my opinion.. maybe I'm wrong. :D

No, you're not wrong. Going from 6-2 to 8-8 is totally unacceptable. And the lack of team discipline was pathetic. Tomlin was a disgrace this season. But if he looks "cool" wearing his sunglasses and twirling his whistle, we are supposed to overlook the lack of team discipline. After all, he looks cool in his sunglasses.

BigRob
01-15-2013, 05:08 PM
I dont think I can ever remember a Steeler off season where as many fans as there are now who are so down on this football team. If you didn't know any better you'd think we were the Cleveland Browns.

And no one seems to be immune from the abuse. I dont get it. I for one will not be swayed by this. I know this team is just a few pieces away from returning to glory. And sometimes that appears in the form of luck. It could be something the organization doesn't even do. A player could fall to them that could be a star.

I also know this team lost 5 games by 3 points or less. A little tweak here and a little more there and the Pittsburgh Steelers are right back at the top of the mountain.

I for one can't wait till Ben Roethlisberger leads the Steelers to #7. I believe it is sooner than many of our fans think. But if you need to be so down on the Steelers to make yourself feel better, then knock yourself out. I think it would be much more effective to get some counseling for that, but what do I know? I still believe in the Steelers. There must be something wrong with me I guess.

I agree with you, this team as it is currently comprised has one more good year left. With little roster turnover we can compete.

However, I think there are changes that need to be made to help us be competitive in the future. The conditioning and motivation of the players have to be addressed. The team has bought into the Steeler hype and believe they can win by just showing up.

We have to be one of the worst conditioned teams in the league. This is evidenced by Art II's recent comments. This is also evidenced by the rash of injuries this team has. It needs to be better conditioned than it is now.

We also lack leadership. Ben Roethlisberger is not a leader, period. How many team MVP's has this guy received? None. That speaks volumes to how the team as a whole thinks of Roethlisberger. I am sure they love having him at QB, but the team does not view him as a leader.

On defense, we lack that leader that can rally the troops. I love Harrison and Polamalu, but neither are outspoken leaders. We miss Farrior in this role. How can Woodley be a leader when he can't get in shape to play through a season?

The real question for this team is who is going to be motivated and who is going to step-up as a leader.

BigRob
01-15-2013, 05:09 PM
No, you're not wrong. Going from 6-2 to 8-8 is totally unacceptable. And the lack of team discipline was pathetic. Tomlin was a disgrace this season. But if he looks "cool" wearing his sunglasses and twirling his whistle, we are supposed to overlook the lack of team discipline. After all, he looks cool in his sunglasses.

Are you a closet racist? What does his looks have to do with anything? A lot of your rants about Tomlin have to do with his looks or what he wears. What's up with that?

7 UP
01-15-2013, 05:10 PM
I dont think I can ever remember a Steeler off season where as many fans as there are now who are so down on this football team. If you didn't know any better you'd think we were the Cleveland Browns.



You know the funny thing is. After a losing season most of these doom and gloom "fans" would fire all the coaches, and replace the QB. They might as well all be Browns fans because thats exactly what the Browns do on a yearly basis. They lose and then they scrap everything and start all over again. That knee jerk, nonsense philosophy is exactly why the Browns are a doormat year in and year out. Yet so many fans would have the Steelers do tings the same way if they could.

Its so easy to tell sometimes who really knows football, and who just has the game on while they are drinking beer with their buddies. Its always the later that think they know everything. BTW its also easy to tell who has mutiple screen names and plays games with this site like its his own personal playground.

lloydroid
01-15-2013, 05:23 PM
Are you a closet racist? What does his looks have to do with anything? A lot of your rants about Tomlin have to do with his looks or what he wears. What's up with that?

Are you on any medications? I never once referenced what Tomlin wears, other than sunglasses. And, you are big time out of line with claiming I am a racist. All I have asserted about Tomlin is his ever expanding girth and his failure of establishing team discipline. (Was it a coincidence that at the same time Tomlin got fat is the same season that team discipline was at an all-time low?) I never once made any reference to his race whatsoever and you are breaking board rules by making such an accusation. I demand an apology. The breaking of board rules is to be addressed. Not doing so would be an application of hypocrisy.


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BigRob
01-15-2013, 05:26 PM
Are you on any medications? I never once referenced what Tomlin wears, other than sunglasses. And, you are big time out of line with claiming I am a racist. All I have asserted about Tomlin is his ever expanding girth and his failure of establishing team discipline. (Was it a coincidence that at the same time Tomlin got fat is the same season that team discipline was at an all-time low?) I never once made any reference to his race whatsoever and you are breaking board rules by making such an accusation. I demand an apology. The breaking of board rules is to be addressed. Not doing so would be an application of hypocrisy.

You get no apology. My question didn't break any board rules. I didn't claim you were a racist. It was a question and you answered it strongly in the reverse.

Grow a pair.

supersteeler
01-15-2013, 05:31 PM
I don't think its doom and gloom, Steelers fans are just questioning things that occured this season. They are trying to figure out how the Steelers organization is going to answer all the issues.
Personally, I love this team even with their 8-8 record. I'm looking forward to the draft and hope we find players that can help us, plus some gems that other teams missed.

I also deal in reality and take the homer shirt off. We all want our team to succeed even the most critical fan does, but like Ryan Clark stated we fans are spoiled because of the sustained success this team had over the years. I think we have a core of good players and as mentioned plug in some players through the draft and the team will rebound and I have faith they will.

When I say rebound, I mean we will be competitive and we won't be the Titans Browns or other perennial losers and we might even make the playoffs next season. The front office usually makes good decisions and don't take a knee jerk approach when seasons like this happen but at the same time they have a lot to deal with this off season.
What I'm trying to convey here is too much uncertainty to think we will be a Super Bowl contender next season, if you think they will then I admire you for your optimism.
When this season started, I thought we would have a great shot of contending, circumstances happened that derailed that thought and we seen the results.
Looking ahead I think we'll be ok and be a better team, but sorry, IMHO not Super Bowl bound, too many issues to get resolved to get back to being a championship team. My position doesn't make me any less of a fan than anyone here, I think I'm being reasonable in my expectations, if you think otherwise thats ok.
We are here to discuss our Steelers and there are differences of opinions, my hope is we get back on track to be that SB contender but I just don't see it for 2013.

squidkid
01-15-2013, 06:11 PM
i am guilty of being a gloom and doomer.
i guess i just need to hang my hat on 'luck' to fix all the things wrong with this team. no need to address certain players, certain coaches, certain decisions, salary cap, etc etc.

NW Steeler
01-15-2013, 06:44 PM
There is no doubt that this team needs some definite tweaking. There is nothing wrong with expressing opinions and being critical of things that you have passion for. But the CONSTANT negativity and bashing of certain players and coaches has gotten old in a hurry. I think some people just like the idea of seeing how many posts they have here.

Sugar
01-15-2013, 06:45 PM
I have a buddy who is a Steelers fan that whined about what the team did wrong even after SB wins. Some people just have a critical nature. They think they know how to "fix" things and want to make it known that they have the answer.

As for mock drafts, I don't really care for amateur football as much so I don't always know who the next young stud LG is anyway...

lloydroid
01-15-2013, 07:01 PM
You get no apology. My question didn't break any board rules. I didn't claim you were a racist. It was a question and you answered it strongly in the reverse.

Grow a pair.

You alleged I was a racist with such a question. Anymore of these kinds of assertions and you will have to deal with the banning. I stated NOTHING that would make one even question if I was a racist. I see no correlation between making the truthful statement that Tomlin became overweight and race.

BigRob
01-15-2013, 07:21 PM
You alleged I was a racist with such a question. Anymore of these kinds of assertions and you will have to deal with the banning.

Notice I asked if you were a closet racist and did not STATE you were a closet racist. Big difference as to INTENT. Please try to keep up.

:loser

Oh no! I used a loser emoticon available to the board. I must have done something wrong. Please, please don't ban me droid.

7 UP
01-15-2013, 08:17 PM
Anymore of these kinds of assertions and you will have to deal with the banning.

You have ZERO authority here and no one takes you seriously. Wonder what the rules are in terms of having multiple screen names?

eniparadoxgma
01-15-2013, 08:33 PM
You alleged I was a racist with such a question. Anymore of these kinds of assertions and you will have to deal with the banning.


Are you on any medications?

If I was BigRob I would demand an apology. You alleged he was a drug user with such a question. Anymore of those kinds of assertions and you will have to deal with the banning.


You have ZERO authority here and no one takes you seriously. Wonder what the rules are in terms of having multiple screen names?

I was thinking something similar. Typically new posters don't just fly in here and then proceed to make over a thousand posts in just a few months with the seeming express purpose of starting crap.

BigRob
01-15-2013, 08:42 PM
If I was BigRob I would demand an apology. You alleged he was a drug user with such a question. Anymore of those kinds of assertions and you will have to deal with the banning.



I was thinking something similar. Typically new posters don't just fly in here and then proceed to make over a thousand posts in just a few months with the seeming express purpose of starting crap.

Thankfully I'm not overly sensitive. I don't feel the need to scream for banning at the first sign of insecurity. Especially when someone ask me a simple question.

Dee Dub
01-15-2013, 09:21 PM
Wow...now Steeler fans are fighting. It aint that bad folks. The Steelers are going make a comeback next year.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2013/01/11/nr-banfield-pittsburgh-brawl.cnn

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 09:30 PM
I have a buddy who is a Steelers fan that whined about what the team did wrong even after SB wins. Some people just have a critical nature. They think they know how to "fix" things and want to make it known that they have the answer.

As for mock drafts, I don't really care for amateur football as much so I don't always know who the next young stud LG is anyway...

That would be me... for years my wife couldnt understand why I'm so critical even when we were winning... then she watched Warner hit Fitz in the SB and turned to me and said she understood.

Some fans are positive, some negative, some are realist... etc.

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 09:35 PM
Wow...now Steeler fans are fighting. It aint that bad folks. The Steelers are going make a comeback next year.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2013/01/11/nr-banfield-pittsburgh-brawl.cnn

Well someone on here said a fan pissed himself and didnt know it in Dallas... I can't take ownership for people I don't know.

raycafan
01-15-2013, 11:49 PM
All I know is when the game against Bengals ended I went into a slight depression knowing the Browns would be the last Steeler football till august. Now a days I just can't seem to get enough of it good or bad. Oh well how long till training camp? :)

NorthCoast
01-15-2013, 11:59 PM
Many probably have seen this, but the topic reminded me again how wrapped up we fans can get (scary thing, I got a leather couch just like him):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgg60Kxn5SQ

SteelBucks
01-16-2013, 12:07 AM
Is there an 'Ignore' button on this site? I need to use it before I get banned.

hawaiiansteel
01-16-2013, 01:03 AM
a good rule of thumb for the stock market is to buy when gloom and doom is at its highest.

the same is probably true for the Pittsburgh Steelers...I'm buying! :tt2

LordVile
01-16-2013, 04:47 AM
im a "REALIST" .. i guess everything else said before was FAKE.. what does that mean? silly when ppl say that term.

DBR96A
01-16-2013, 05:12 AM
A lot of people on the board are confusing "pessimism" with "realism"...they are very different things...

Missing the playoffs causes many to lose perspective...

Bull**** (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39814-Give-a-choice-I-d-take-Russell-Wilson-over-Ben-right-now?p=544567&viewfull=1#post544567) like (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39814-Give-a-choice-I-d-take-Russell-Wilson-over-Ben-right-now?p=544961&viewfull=1#post544961) this (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39797-Decent-BB-Article?p=544381&viewfull=1#post544381) ain't (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39755-Steelers-2012-Lawyers-Gone-Mad?p=543345&viewfull=1#post543345) realism (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39755-Steelers-2012-Lawyers-Gone-Mad?p=544249&viewfull=1#post544249).

msp26505
01-16-2013, 09:30 AM
a good rule of thumb for the stock market is to buy when gloom and doom is at its highest.

the same is probably true for the Pittsburgh Steelers...I'm buying! :tt2

I rarely post, and 99% of what I write goes unnoticed here because of that fact, so I suspect my endorsement will just fly under the radar, but this may be the best analogy I have seen on this board.

feltdizz
01-16-2013, 10:00 AM
im a "REALIST" .. i guess everything else said before was FAKE.. what does that mean? silly when ppl say that term.

it means a person puts emotion to the side and looks at the facts before making a decision.

you know whats silly? typing the word "silly"...

hawaiiansteel
01-16-2013, 03:39 PM
I rarely post, and 99% of what I write goes unnoticed here because of that fact, so I suspect my endorsement will just fly under the radar, but this may be the best analogy I have seen on this board.

thank you msp, I noticed your endorsement and very much appreciate it! :Cheers

supersteeler
01-16-2013, 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel
a good rule of thumb for the stock market is to buy when gloom and doom is at its highest.

the same is probably true for the Pittsburgh Steelers...I'm buying!

Yeah, Sometimes you can hit it Big, but a word of advice, read the Prospectus and fine print first.:)

Sure, Not
01-16-2013, 10:13 PM
You have ZERO authority here and no one takes you seriously. Wonder what the rules are in terms of having multiple screen names?

He sounds an awful lot like a troll who has destroyed another board I used to post at frequently. It was great until he showed up. It seems that he's been here before under different screen names and has the same tired mantra of everything being Ben's fault.

BigRob
01-17-2013, 01:14 PM
He sounds an awful lot like a troll who has destroyed another board I used to post at frequently. It was great until he showed up. It seems that he's been here before under different screen names and has the same tired mantra of everything being Ben's fault.

Lloyddroid is that you?