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Steelhere10
01-14-2013, 09:22 PM
Get ready for another season of run, run, pass, punt dink and donk offense.
Report that Haley told Bidwell it would take a lot of cash for him to leave the Steelers per Gulac.

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 09:24 PM
Not really good news. I haven't met a Steeler fan who likes Haley or think he does a good job. What would it take to adapt a Patriots mindset of never being predictable? God, I hate this.

Steelhere10
01-14-2013, 09:27 PM
Taking bets when Ben and Haley finally blow up, Or hear Ben whine.

LordVile
01-14-2013, 09:29 PM
good news.. offense was good until ben got hurt and will be better in it's 2nd year..

Steelhere10
01-14-2013, 09:32 PM
good news.. offense was good until ben got hurt and will be better in it's 2nd year..It was good the first half of the season but did teams catch on to the dink and donk and start playing for it and if so if Haley didn't adjust I will not count on it getting better maybe worse.

costanza2k1
01-14-2013, 09:34 PM
It was good the first half of the season but did teams catch on to the dink and donk and start playing for it and if so if Haley didn't adjust I will not count on it getting better maybe worse. so teams caught on, I think Haley will adjust....but will Ben adjust to not have an old fatherly figure (who offered no fatherly guidance...see past accusations)

Steelhere10
01-14-2013, 09:34 PM
Even Ben was complaining about opening it up. If he adjust then cool if not then this is sad news.

costanza2k1
01-14-2013, 09:38 PM
if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?

Steelhere10
01-14-2013, 09:40 PM
if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?I agree 100 % but what do you think Ben thinks or better question how do you think he will act , so like I said this might be sad news.

Sugar
01-14-2013, 09:45 PM
Ben will be fine and the Offense will be better because of the stability, especially as guys get healthy. If Ben has ever whined about Haley in public, I missed it. And no, some crack about the playcalling is not even remotely whining. It's a healthy work environment.

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 09:47 PM
if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?

Yea, but none of us (I think that's safe to say) have a contract for $100 million or have done anything for a billion $ company like win two Super Bowls. That buys leverage and power, even if the powers that be don't admit to it. Someone brought up a good point in here today: Trying to win the time of possession battle EARLY in the game is kind of worthless, but that seems to be their plan. It is far more important to jump to a lead, increase that lead and _THEN_ work on the grind-it-out, time-of-possession mode (if you wish, but NE never goes into that mode; they prefer to get up by 30 instead).

SteelBucks
01-14-2013, 09:50 PM
The dink and dunk offense seems to work just fine in NE. I'm glad Haley is coming back....Ben was having a career best season, stat wise, until his injury.

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 09:51 PM
Ben will be fine and the Offense will be better because of the stability, especially as guys get healthy. If Ben has ever whined about Haley in public, I missed it. And no, some crack about the playcalling is not even remotely whining. It's a healthy work environment.

No, his crack about play calling was whining, and, he kind of confirmed it by coming out publicly and admitting he apologized to the powers that be about his comment. If him saying he didn't keep throwing to Heath - which was killing it in the 1st half - because "of the plays that were being called" that certainly is a form of complaining - somewhat veiled - but a form of complaining, nonetheless.

Sugar
01-14-2013, 09:55 PM
No, his crack about play calling was whining, and, he kind of confirmed it by coming out publicly and admitting he apologized to the powers that be about his comment. If him saying he didn't keep throwing to Heath - which was killing it in the 1st half - because "of the plays that were being called" that certainly is a form of complaining - somewhat veiled - but a form of complaining, nonetheless.

If people are babies enough to be offended by that, then they deserve to be offended. Haley even said himself that there was nothing to apologize for. The media microscope will always be focused on every little thing based on who these guys are. That doesn't mean that clear thinking fans such as myself have to buy into their talking points.

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 09:55 PM
The dink and dunk offense seems to work just fine in NE. I'm glad Haley is coming back....Ben was having a career best season, stat wise, until his injury.

Bro, the "dink and dunk" used by NE is vastly different than ours. First of all, Pats can and will call any play at any time; you won't see them locked into trying to rush on most 1st and 2nd downs. They will then go to the run on 3rd and 15, and get a first down doing it! You just never know with them. They might go with 15 straight passes, or 6 straight runs. They are the master of being unpredictable, which has failed to dawn on this team as a good quality. Also, every player seems capable of taking part of any play - they will use a TE on a rushing play or send a HB deep down the sideline for a long pass. Pgh as none of this type of versatility.

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 09:58 PM
If people are babies enough to be offended by that, then they deserve to be offended. Haley even said himself that there was nothing to apologize for. The media microscope will always be focused on every little thing based on who these guys are. That doesn't mean that clear thinking fans such as myself have to buy into their talking points.

Hmmm, so why did Ben have to publicly say that he apologized for those comments? And, if this was the first time he said something of the sort, then that's one thing. But, he constantly offers little veiled comments and he always has every since his 3rd season. Just because Haley wisely said there was no issue doesn't mean there wasn't. That was just the wise route to go by Haley: avoid the drama, try to move on and forward.

tiproast
01-14-2013, 10:00 PM
They might go with 15 straight passes

I see you recall the opening game of the 2002 season. :D

Sugar
01-14-2013, 10:02 PM
Hmmm, so why did Ben have to publicly say that he apologized for those comments? And, if this was the first time he said something of the sort, then that's one thing. But, he constantly offers little veiled comments and he always has every since his 3rd season. Just because Haley wisely said there was no issue doesn't mean there wasn't. That was just the wise route to go by Haley: avoid the drama, try to move on and forward.

Whatever makes you feel better....

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 10:05 PM
I see you recall the opening game of the 2002 season. :D

Running in salt. It's too long ago to provide much pain though. Two Super Bowl rings since have reduced that irritant. :p

steelz09
01-14-2013, 10:06 PM
if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?

:Agree A lot of people have managers they don't like. It happens... It's common. I'm tired of seeing Ben's piss poor expressions when Haley tries to approach him on the sidelines. He gives Haley the :roll: look. I've seen Haley try to approach Ben when he's walking to the sideline and Ben walked in the opposite direction. I saw both of these actions on numerous occasions. Ben needs to stop being a whiny :Binky

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 10:07 PM
Whatever makes you feel better....

Hmmm, I don't see how any acknowledgment of the above makes me feel any better. Everyone knows Ben is a drama queen. He doesn't feel right unless he has some ready-made excuses, etc.

tiproast
01-14-2013, 10:11 PM
Running in salt. It's too long ago to provide much pain though. Two Super Bowl rings since have reduced that irritant. :p
It was a long time ago, and I added the smiley face to my post to try to take a little bit off of the rubbing it in aspect.

And as I as recall, your team made the playoffs that year, and my team didn't.

lloydroid
01-14-2013, 10:11 PM
:Agree A lot of people have managers they don't like. It happens... It's common. I'm tired of seeing Ben's piss poor expressions when Haley tries to approach him on the sidelines. He gives Haley the :roll: look. I've seen Haley try to approach Ben when he's walking to the sideline and Ben walked in the opposite direction. I saw both of these actions on numerous occasions. Ben needs to stop being a whiny :Binky

:Agree I have seen the same thing. How many managers would put up with that kind of treatment in the real world? It's akin to being at a trade show, and your manager wants to give you some pointers and/or ask you a question, and you simply walk away from him as he/she approaches. That shows a real lack of respect. He should at least give him the respect of acting appropriately and _pretending_ to care what he has to say, at the very least.

SteelCrazy
01-14-2013, 10:28 PM
In Haley's 2nd year with the Cardinals, he went to the Super Bowl. He also had the #1 passing offense. In his 2nd year with the Chiefs, he won his division. He also had the #1 rushing offense.

WELCOME TO SEASON #2 COACH HALEY!!!!!

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 11:08 PM
It was good the first half of the season but did teams catch on to the dink and donk and start playing for it and if so if Haley didn't adjust I will not count on it getting better maybe worse.


What teams caught on to was that our OL was decimated by injuries and Ben was playing hurt. That was the problem and it was obvious to anyone who wanted to see it.

Snatch98
01-14-2013, 11:20 PM
In Haley's 2nd year with the Cardinals, he went to the Super Bowl. He also had the #1 passing offense. In his 2nd year with the Chiefs, he won his division. He also had the #1 rushing offense.

WELCOME TO SEASON #2 COACH HALEY!!!!!

Steeler Nation is spoiled rotten. We have a "losing season" because of injuries, instead of chalking it up to exactly that we need a scape goat to aid in the coping process. If the team could have stayed healthy we'd still be playing meaningful football.

LordVile
01-15-2013, 01:15 AM
What teams caught on to was that our OL was decimated by injuries and Ben was playing hurt. That was the problem and it was obvious to anyone who wanted to see it.

I dont' understand how fans can't see this.. I've been watching football for 4 years and I seem to know more about it then some of the fans who give me the "I been watching for 30 years" speeches..

UNREAL...

thor75
01-15-2013, 02:31 AM
I'm glad Haley is back and with a new off. line coach maybe some of their training and/or techniques change to help minimize the biggest rival we had this year = injuries. We could be one good RB away from a highly productive offense.

DBR96A
01-15-2013, 05:16 AM
I like Todd Haley, so for those of you who claim you don't know anybody who does...here I am!

Bluto
01-15-2013, 07:18 AM
I second that. I also support Haley. Had Ben not been hurt against the Chiefs. Even with all the other injuries. I think we are playing this weekend in New England. Think we would have won division the way Baltimore coughed up late games. We will be much more dangerous next year and if we can stay healthy be very good. I am curious to see what happens with our RB situation. NOt sure Haley has the type of RB he needs. Closest thing is Mendenhall and would be surprised if he was brought back.

Djfan
01-15-2013, 08:26 AM
I'm glad he's back. Ben will be fine. Some people like to make something out of nothing, IMO.

Slapstick
01-15-2013, 09:06 AM
Continuity, combined with an offensive line coach whose blocking schemes and philosophy mesh with Haley, will only help the offense...

Oviedo
01-15-2013, 09:13 AM
Continuity, combined with an offensive line coach whose blocking schemes and philosophy mesh with Haley, will only help the offense...

I agree. Haley leaving and bring in another system would be the second worst possible thing that could happen to our offense right behind not improving the OL.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-15-2013, 09:39 AM
where is this information coming from?

Steelhere10
01-15-2013, 09:42 AM
where is this information coming from?Depot, Dulac site.

supersteeler
01-15-2013, 09:50 AM
where is this information coming from?

If your asking about him staying, Dulac said, Haley met with the Cardinals and demanded so much that its unlikely he will join their staff. From what I'm hearing, Ray Horton is their second choice if they faill to get who they want.
Haley wants to stay here and I don't blame him. Going to the Cards is what I said in another thread.....waiting on death row for execution.
That team is competing with A great 49er team, Seattle and even the Rams will get better. The cards have a piss poor Ol and no QB. they have a decent defense but thats about it. They will be firing coaches for years until they get help on that O-line and a QB.

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 09:59 AM
Stevie Wonder can see our OL sucks... it's not news people... if we can see it then the coaches damn sure see it and aren't doing enough to fix it. It's not a valid excuse.

I don't like Haley when you mix him in with the talent and QB we have...

Is he good? Probably..
Would it work if Ben bought in? Definitely...
Will Ben buy in? Doubt it..

I hate to sound like Wreck but I think we need to give Ben what he wants before his career is over. He made a ton of mistakes off the field and is an idiot half the time (lol) but the guy has 2 rings and 3 SB appearances... I think he should be able to tell Haley how he wants this offense to run. I hated 50 sack seasons but most of those ended with 10 to 12 wins and a playoff run.

Snail ball won't work with the WR's we have... you can go short if you have Boldin and Fitz like Haley had in AZ or run all day in KC if you have good RB's and a decent OL.

Can't do that here... we have these big bodies on the OL who can't move and our RB's our pedestrian behind them. Run run pass won't work...

squidkid
01-15-2013, 10:53 AM
i am having a hard time figuring out how haleys offense is so much worse than arians?
didnt haley's average more this year then arians last?

phillyesq
01-15-2013, 11:02 AM
Is he good? Probably..
Would it work if Ben bought in? Definitely...
Will Ben buy in? Doubt it..



This is my biggest concern about Haley. Rather than embracing him and his system, I get a sense that Ben is resistant and is not going to buy-in. And if the QB doesn't embrace the system, that's going to be a problem.

I generally liked Haley's offense early in the season. I thought it was going to develop more as the season went on, but that didn't seem to be the case. Of course, injuries played a significant part in the stagnation. I fully expected to see the power run game used to set up play action and the deep passing game, but it did not quite work out.

Later in the year, I disliked more of the calls. The goofy reverses and whatnot in bad situations, the third in short runs where Dwyer and Redman lined up across the river, etc. But I won't discount the good based on the bad.

NW Steeler
01-15-2013, 11:21 AM
Hopefully the relationship between Haley and Ben evolves this offseason. These guys are stuck with each other and they need to be on the same page. AS true professionals that WANT to win, how can they not?

Slapstick
01-15-2013, 11:40 AM
Hopefully the relationship between Haley and Ben evolves this offseason. These guys are stuck with each other and they need to be on the same page. AS true professionals that WANT to win, how can they not?

What Ben needs to do is be honest with himself and look at the tape...

Look at how you were doing and what you were doing before the injury...then, look at how you did and what you did after the injury...

Haley needs to do the same damn thing...

phillyesq
01-15-2013, 12:10 PM
What Ben needs to do is be honest with himself and look at the tape...

Look at how you were doing and what you were doing before the injury...then, look at how you did and what you did after the injury...

Haley needs to do the same damn thing...

I have no reason to doubt that Haley will look at tape. With Ben's stated aversion to looking at tape, I wonder if he's putting in the necessary mental preparation this offseason.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-15-2013, 12:19 PM
Ben will be fine and the Offense will be better because of the stability, especially as guys get healthy. If Ben has ever whined about Haley in public, I missed it. And no, some crack about the playcalling is not even remotely whining. It's a healthy work environment.

Agreed. It is laughable the way people go through every transcript of every interview to find any little tidbit of potential meaning on something that was said and can somehow be construed as controversial.

supersteeler
01-15-2013, 12:41 PM
Give Ben the O-line like the so called other Elite QB's AND a back that can carry the rock without a blow and you will see a difference.

Any OC system requires a good O-line to work no matter who is the coach, when things were going well the Line seemed to block better and Ben was better as a result. Then the injuries to the line and Ben hurt them, plus you add injured backs and it spells trouble.
If we don't get good production from our O-line then we have issues, but we have to wait and see them play healthy as a group before we write them off.

Hey folks, I hate to say this but our Steelers will probably be more competitive next season and win a few more games. However, if you are dealing in reality we have too many issues to get resolved to be a championship team, no one draft will fix it.

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 01:10 PM
Give Ben the O-line like the so called other Elite QB's AND a back that can carry the rock without a blow and you will see a difference.

Any OC system requires a good O-line to work no matter who is the coach, when things were going well the Line seemed to block better and Ben was better as a result. Then the injuries to the line and Ben hurt them, plus you add injured backs and it spells trouble.
If we don't get good production from our O-line then we have issues, but we have to wait and see them play healthy as a group before we write them off.

Hey folks, I hate to say this but our Steelers will probably be more competitive next season and win a few more games. However, if you are dealing in reality we have too many issues to get resolved to be a championship team, no one draft will fix it.

This might be true... but I also think these other "elite QB's" and "elite RB's" make OL's look good. I see other RB's get hit and they don't go down... they run through guys. Redman and Dwyer kinda do this but they are slow so it doesn't have the same effect

RuthlessBurgher
01-15-2013, 01:20 PM
Stevie Wonder can see our OL sucks... it's not news people... if we can see it then the coaches damn sure see it and aren't doing enough to fix it. It's not a valid excuse.

I think the "we aren't doing enough to fix the OL" excuse is officially played out. In the last 3 drafts, we used 4 out of the 6 "premium" picks in the 1st or 2nd round on o-linemen. A first round center, a first round guard, and two second round tackles. Plus, after using these premium picks on the OL, we also attempted to solidify our OL depth with another 7th round OL pick in 2012, another 6th round OL pick in 2011, another 5th round OL pick in 2010, and also 3rd & 7th round OL picks in 2009, a 4th round OL pick in 2008, etc., etc., etc. We are not ignoring the OL...far from it. With Kugler now at UTEP, we need to find an OL coach that can turn these guys into the players that we thought we drafted.

Sugar
01-15-2013, 01:21 PM
Hey folks, I hate to say this but our Steelers will probably be more competitive next season and win a few more games. However, if you are dealing in reality we have too many issues to get resolved to be a championship team, no one draft will fix it.

I disagree with this. A healthy Steelers team is better than the Ravens team playing in the AFC Championship this weekend. IMO, drastic changes aren't needed. Get healthy and continue to make the additions needed via the draft and a couple solid free agents. In other words, what they usually do.

steelz09
01-15-2013, 01:26 PM
I disagree with this. A healthy Steelers team is better than the Ravens team playing in the AFC Championship this weekend. IMO, drastic changes aren't needed. Get healthy and continue to make the additions needed via the draft and a couple solid free agents. In other words, what they usually do.

I don't think we are that far off either but we are seriously lacking in a few areas.

I would add kicker to the list. Mark my words, we will NEVER win a Super Bowl with Suisham as a kicker. So, every year that we go into the season with him as our kicker, I am willing to guarantee that we won't win a SB.

Sugar
01-15-2013, 01:29 PM
I don't think we are that far off either but we are seriously lacking in a few areas.

I would add kicker to the list. Mark my words, we will NEVER win a Super Bowl with Suisham as a kicker. So, every year that we go into the season with him as our kicker, I am willing to guarantee that we won't win a SB.

I'm not seeing Sushi as a problem. He did a good job this year. Do you have some reason to think he'll regress? I'm curious because of all the Steelers "issues", kicker seems to be one of the least problematic to me.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-15-2013, 01:35 PM
I think the "we aren't doing enough to fix the OL" excuse is officially played out. In the last 3 drafts, we used 4 out of the 6 "premium" picks in the 1st or 2nd round on o-linemen. A first round center, a first round guard, and two second round tackles. Plus, after using these premium picks on the OL, we also attempted to solidify our OL depth with another 7th round OL pick in 2012, another 6th round OL pick in 2011, another 5th round OL pick in 2010, and also 3rd & 7th round OL picks in 2009, a 4th round OL pick in 2008, etc., etc., etc. We are not ignoring the OL...far from it. With Kugler now at UTEP, we need to find an OL coach that can turn these guys into the players that we thought we drafted.

I don't give a rats azz how many picks we have 'used' on the OL. I look at the players themselves. I see Gilbert who missed half the season, DeCastro that missed most the season, Adams that missed 1/4 of the season, Pouncey that has missed parts of every season, and I say keep drafting them cause these guys aren't reliable. I'm also all for competition for the starting job and have no problem taking an Eric Fisher to push Gilbert and Adams. I have no issue taking a Chance Warmack to push DeCastro and Belchum or Foster. I wouldn't even have a problem trading down and taking that OC from Alabama (can't recall his name at the moment) to push all of them including Pouncey.

steelz09
01-15-2013, 01:50 PM
I'm not seeing Sushi as a problem. He did a good job this year. Do you have some reason to think he'll regress? I'm curious because of all the Steelers "issues", kicker seems to be one of the least problematic to me.

Suisham wasn't bad but there is 1 reason and 1 reason only why I am willing to guarantee that the Steelers won't win a SB with him as our kicker.

You need to have a kicker that can kick a 50+ yard field goal in the clutch and in the "elements". To get to the SB and win it, you need a kicker that can do that and I don't think Suisham can. The road to the SB for the Steelers will be in the "elements" (Pittsburgh, Cincinatti, New England, Baltimore..). There will be bad weather along the way. There will be close games decided by 3 points or less. You need a guy that can get those 3 points in the clutch from 50+ out.

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 02:03 PM
I don't think we are that far off either but we are seriously lacking in a few areas.

I would add kicker to the list. Mark my words, we will NEVER win a Super Bowl with Suisham as a kicker. So, every year that we go into the season with him as our kicker, I am willing to guarantee that we won't win a SB.

lol...what? Sounds like a built in excuse for a player who proved you wrong this year.

steelz09
01-15-2013, 02:06 PM
lol...what? Sounds like a built in excuse for a player who proved you wrong this year.

Did I miss something? Last time I checked, we didn't make the playoffs this year.

Suisham proved me wrong alright... He was clutch in the most important game of the year... going 1-3 against the Bengals in a must win game.

RuthlessBurgher
01-15-2013, 02:24 PM
Kickers are schizy...Look no further than David Akers as a prime example. In 2011, he scored an NFL all-time single season record 166 points. He followed up that Pro Bowl performance by missing THIRTEEN field goals this year (an abysmal 69% FG percentage).

Suisham made 93.3% of his kicks for us in 2010, then fell to 74.2% in 2011, then back up to 90.3% this season. Who knows what to expect from him in 2013.

Slapstick
01-15-2013, 02:36 PM
Did I miss something? Last time I checked, we didn't make the playoffs this year.

Suisham proved me wrong alright... He was clutch in the most important game of the year... going 1-3 against the Bengals in a must win game.

Suisham isn't alone in that Bengal game...the short miss was a bad snap and a bad hold...he caught the ball on the laces (LACES OUT!!!)...

Hopefully, he doesn't disguise himself as a woman and attempt to kidnap and murder Butler...

steelz09
01-15-2013, 02:49 PM
Kickers are schizy...Look no further than David Akers as a prime example. In 2011, he scored an NFL all-time single season record 166 points. He followed up that Pro Bowl performance by missing THIRTEEN field goals this year (an abysmal 69% FG percentage).

Suisham made 93.3% of his kicks for us in 2010, then fell to 74.2% in 2011, then back up to 90.3% this season. Who knows what to expect from him in 2013.

Yea, the Akers situation is weird and you're right... kickers are headcases.

I don't want to get to far off topic but my point isn't Suisham's accuracy per se. It's how the combination of "field elements" + field goal length + leg strength will effect his accuracy.

His lack of leg strength requires him to overcompensate for longer field goals or field goals in weather conditions such as higher winds. When he has to compensate, his accuracy is a major issue. If he doesn't compensate, he'll come up short. If the field goal is shorter and/or doesn't have the "elements", the guy is money.

lloydroid
01-15-2013, 03:12 PM
It was a long time ago, and I added the smiley face to my post to try to take a little bit off of the rubbing it in aspect.

And as I as recall, your team made the playoffs that year, and my team didn't.

We went 10-5-1, beat Cleveland in the play offs (to a Arians-run offense, coming way back from behind because Cleveland refused to rush the ball, allowing us to come back) and then lost to TN in a tight one. I think we got called for roughing the kicker or something like that, as I recall. The first two games of that season, both opponents (you guys and a Gruden-coached Raiders with Rich Gannon at QB) just passed the crap out of the ball, and made our once-feared D look inept, as the way to beat that D is to not waste downs on trying to rush the ball. Both of those teams made the D look like Swiss cheese. It's amazing that they made the play offs, with that trait being so exposed in the 1st two weeks.

lloydroid
01-15-2013, 03:15 PM
Did I miss something? Last time I checked, we didn't make the playoffs this year.

Suisham proved me wrong alright... He was clutch in the most important game of the year... going 1-3 against the Bengals in a must win game.

I don't fully blame the Squeezer. Tomlin made the idiotic decision to try a 54-yarder, while every one knew that was an unlikely successful FG attempt. How many moronic decisions did Tomlin make this season?

lloydroid
01-15-2013, 03:20 PM
If your asking about him staying, Dulac said, Haley met with the Cardinals and demanded so much that its unlikely he will join their staff. From what I'm hearing, Ray Horton is their second choice if they faill to get who they want.
Haley wants to stay here and I don't blame him. Going to the Cards is what I said in another thread.....waiting on death row for execution.
That team is competing with A great 49er team, Seattle and even the Rams will get better. The cards have a piss poor Ol and no QB. they have a decent defense but thats about it. They will be firing coaches for years until they get help on that O-line and a QB.


All true, but teams have proven this season that you fix your QB position in a short order. You _CAN_ but that doesn't mean you will. Look at Russell Wilson, et al. It can be done. And I find it a little surprising that Haley doesn't have the confidence to feel he can fix the QB and OL situations in a relatively short time. Head coaching jobs are not plentiful. Only 32 of them in the world. And HC make 5x what OC make. Plus, where would you rather live? In dreary, gray, dirty, rusty Western PA or AZ?

steelz09
01-15-2013, 03:23 PM
I don't fully blame the Squeezer. Tomlin made the idiotic decision to try a 54-yarder, while every one knew that was an unlikely successful FG attempt. How many moronic decisions did Tomlin make this season?

Tomlin's made numerous bad decisions this past year. I told my buddy before the kick that he was going to come up short. I said if he doesn't overcompensate, the kick will be accurate but it'll be short. I said if he overcompensates, he might "get it there" but it'll be a bad hook or pushed right.

Sure enough, he didn't overcompensate and it was over 5 yards short. And just like I said previously.... < 45 yards, Suisham is pretty darn accurate.... but he simply doesn't have the leg to kick those type of field goals.

Captain Lemming
01-15-2013, 03:34 PM
if Ben doesn't adjust (I really doubt it) then I question his heart and professionalism...the whining needs to stop now, be a professional and move on. Isn't that what's expected of us in the real world at our jobs?

Some irony but.....
We get this from a guy named "costanza (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/member.php/2-costanza2k1)"? :)

costanza2k1
01-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Some irony but.....
We get this from a guy named "costanza (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/member.php/2-costanza2k1)"? :)

You can also call me Art :D

feltdizz
01-15-2013, 04:22 PM
We went 10-5-1, beat Cleveland in the play offs (to a Arians-run offense, coming way back from behind because Cleveland refused to rush the ball, allowing us to come back) and then lost to TN in a tight one. I think we got called for roughing the kicker or something like that, as I recall. The first two games of that season, both opponents (you guys and a Gruden-coached Raiders with Rich Gannon at QB) just passed the crap out of the ball, and made our once-feared D look inept, as the way to beat that D is to not waste downs on trying to rush the ball. Both of those teams made the D look like Swiss cheese. It's amazing that they made the play offs, with that trait being so exposed in the 1st two weeks.



LOL... maybe that's why Arians kept passing the ball? If the WR didn't drop a wide open pass in the flat we lose that game. Arians had the recipe... we just had renegade and a whole bunch of luck on our side.

NJ-STEELER
01-16-2013, 10:48 PM
If people are babies enough to be offended by that, then they deserve to be offended. Haley even said himself that there was nothing to apologize for. The media microscope will always be focused on every little thing based on who these guys are. That doesn't mean that clear thinking fans such as myself have to buy into their talking points.


$$

it amazes me how some 'fans' look at these things

sheesh, i remeber tom brady yelling at his OC on the sidelines during a game

chit happens

RuthlessBurgher
01-17-2013, 01:35 PM
dreary, gray, dirty, rusty Western PA

What year is it? Did I just go back in time to when the economy of he region was based almost entirely on the failing steel industry? You couldn't possibly be referring to a region now known for education, technology, health care, its cultural district, etc.

DBR96A
01-17-2013, 02:23 PM
What year is it? Did I just go back in time to when the economy of he region was based almost entirely on the failing steel industry? You couldn't possibly be referring to a region now known for education, technology, health care, its cultural district, etc.
Welcome back to 1983, the year when unemployment in the area reached 18%, and two movies were made that told the entire country that the only way to make your dreams come true is by getting out (or staying out) of western Pennsylvania.

How self-centered of people to assume that time stops once they leave someplace. It wasn't my choice to leave, but when I go back I see enough things changing there (mostly for the better in the last five years) to know that time keeps going.

And the "eds and meds" bit is overstated too. There are tech jobs, finance jobs, energy jobs, pharmaceutical research jobs, engineering jobs, and even design jobs for companies like American Eagle Outfitters and rue21.

Shawn
01-17-2013, 05:37 PM
Not sure why anyone would want Haley to leave. Up until game 9, Ben was having an MVP season and staying upright.