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Dee Dub
01-14-2013, 03:30 PM
Cracks me up. What ever the current trend is during the post-season all of a sudden that has to be the way and only way to win in the NFL. Me personally I prefer the way the Steelers do things. It has worked pretty well for a long time.

And I've seen enough football to know how trends tend to come back around. They always do.

SidSmythe
01-14-2013, 03:32 PM
Bellichek has continued to win b/c he doesn't copycat others. Same with the Steelers for the most part.

I heard someone say today the future of the QB is RGIII. Well if you want a gimpy QB in his 3rd year, then sure. These fads don't last long. Still comes down to basics and gimicks like the Wildcat are short lived.

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 03:34 PM
Complacency will be the end of our continued success because the league has changed and doing things "the Steelers way" won't work going forward.

We can't wait 2-3 years to get a defensive player trained up and then be forced to lock them into big second contracts. It ties up too much of the cap. We need a system that allows players to come in, learn fast and contribute fast.

Dee Dub
01-14-2013, 03:36 PM
Bellichek has continued to win b/c he doesn't copycat others. Same with the Steelers for the most part.

I heard someone say today the future of the QB is RGIII. Well if you want a gimpy QB in his 3rd year, then sure. These fads don't last long. Still comes down to basics and gimicks like the Wildcat are short lived.

Agreed! And I believe this read option that we are seeing now in the NFL isnt going to be as effective all that much longer.

Slapstick
01-14-2013, 03:37 PM
Jerk off reaction is right!!

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 03:39 PM
Bellichek has continued to win b/c he doesn't copycat others. Same with the Steelers for the most part.

I heard someone say today the future of the QB is RGIII. Well if you want a gimpy QB in his 3rd year, then sure. These fads don't last long. Still comes down to basics and gimicks like the Wildcat are short lived.

Belichek doesn't copy people but he has a system that allows players to step in and contribute immediately. The commentators commented yesterday that one of the reasons for their continued success is that Belichek gets every player into every game so when they are called upon they are ready to go because they have game experience. They don't watch and learn like too many Steelers players do.

Dee Dub
01-14-2013, 03:40 PM
Complacency will be the end of our continued success because the league has changed and doing things "the Steelers way" won't work going forward.

We can't wait 2-3 years to get a defensive player trained up and then be forced to lock them into big second contracts. It ties up too much of the cap. We need a system that allows players to come in, learn fast and contribute fast.

Ovi, I think you forget a very valuable piece to this. Where the Steelers have been typically drafting the past 15 years or so. The players that they have been getting for the most part (but not always), on defense have been in the back end of round one. You can bet a Rod Woodson comes in on day one and starts.

phillyesq
01-14-2013, 04:02 PM
Ovi, I think you forget a very valuable piece to this. Where the Steelers have been typically drafting the past 15 years or so. The players that they have been getting for the most part (but not always), on defense have been in the back end of round one. You can bet a Rod Woodson comes in on day one and starts.

Well said, Dub.

It's been pointed out time and again on this board that rookies play on defense when their talent merits that they play. Casey Hampton and Kendrell Bell both started as rookies. Cortez Allen got more significant reps as a rookie and second year player because he showed that he was ready.

feltdizz
01-14-2013, 04:23 PM
Well said, Dub.

It's been pointed out time and again on this board that rookies play on defense when their talent merits that they play. Casey Hampton and Kendrell Bell both started as rookies. Cortez Allen got more significant reps as a rookie and second year player because he showed that he was ready.

Yay... 10 to 15 years ago we let a few rookies get on the field and outplay some vets. This is precisely why people keep bringing it up... I know the D ranks high every year but it's fools gold. I would much rather knock down a few spots to pick up a ball hawking CB who gets burned from time to time. I would love to see our front 7 sack and blitz the crap (literally) out of a QB. I would love to see a guy like McClendon who struggles vs the run still get increased playing time because it's a passing league and the %'s still favor his strength...

I don't want a coaching staff who has to wait for a player to be ready to put him on the field. Throw him out there and see... if not, move on. Sure we will miss on a few but we won't spend years developing scrubs who can't hack it once called upon. Troy wasn't ready... but he showed some flashes his first year. I'm sure a few other players would do the same. I'd take that over the slower vets who know the Encyclapedefensive play book front to back but can't keep up with the youngins...

As far as offense is concerned... is the read option a gimmick? Sure is if it's your base offense but if you run it 5 times a game as a trick/wrinkle play it works. These new QB's can run AND pass the ball well. We better take notice because Tim FREAKING TEBOW beat us with that gimmick offense... and who knows how close the Redskin game would be if the open WR's didn't drop a million passes. I didn't even add the other 4 we defended because that was good D.

The game is changing fellas and whether it's uptempo, less running up the middle, more stretch plays, more WR's in the draft or smaller RB's... we need to get on board. There was a time when we set the trend by drafting strong, having a strong OL, the blitzburgh D, running a 3-4 and drafting WR's who played QB in college. Now we draft finess guys who can't stay healthy or figure out how to run around our lineman instead of running into them.

We stopped setting the trends and now all we do is make sure we don't change. We were 8-8 fellas... sitting on the couch talking crap about the teams that are left is like sitting down at the school dance laughing at the guy dancing with the hot chick.

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 04:31 PM
Yay... 10 to 15 years ago we let a few rookies get on the field and outplay some vets. This is precisely why people keep bringing it up... I know the D ranks high every year but it's fools gold. I would much rather knock down a few spots to pick up a ball hawking CB who gets burned from time to time. I would love to see our front 7 sack and blitz the crap (literally) out of a QB. I would love to see a guy like McClendon who struggles vs the run still get increased playing time because it's a passing league and the %'s still favor his strength...

I don't want a coaching staff who has to wait for a player to be ready to put him on the field. Throw him out there and see... if not, move on. Sure we will miss on a few but we won't spend years developing scrubs who can't hack it once called upon. Troy wasn't ready... but he showed some flashes his first year. I'm sure a few other players would do the same. I'd take that over the slower vets who know the Encyclapedefensive play book front to back but can't keep up with the youngins...

As far as offense is concerned... is the read option a gimmick? Sure is if it's your base offense but if you run it 5 times a game as a trick/wrinkle play it works. These new QB's can run AND pass the ball well. We better take notice because Tim FREAKING TEBOW beat us with that gimmick offense... and who knows how close the Redskin game would be if the open WR's didn't drop a million passes. I didn't even add the other 4 we defended because that was good D.

The game is changing fellas and whether it's uptempo, less running up the middle, more stretch plays, more WR's in the draft or smaller RB's... we need to get on board. There was a time when we set the trend by drafting strong, having a strong OL, the blitzburgh D, running a 3-4 and drafting WR's who played QB in college. Now we draft finess guys who can't stay healthy or figure out how to run around our lineman instead of running into them.

We stopped setting the trends and now all we do is make sure we don't change. We were 8-8 fellas... sitting on the couch talking crap about the teams that are left is like sitting down at the school dance laughing at the guy dancing with the hot chick.

Well said by a wise man who both looks and actually sees and isn't emotionally tied to the past
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I too remember when we were the ones who innovated and set the trends.

As you say, all we want to do now is make sure we keep doing this "the Steelers way." We can't have a few people holding on to something because they made their name by inventing it or have achieved past succeses. That is going to be an end of our success unless we change and make people react to us versus us just worrying about being the same when the same doesn't matter anymore.

If in fact Art II dictated more running then he set us back years because we saw how that turned out. You can never relive the past.

feltdizz
01-14-2013, 04:40 PM
Well said by a wise man who both looks and actually sees and isn't emotionally tied to the past
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I too remember when we were the ones who innovated and set the trends.

As you say, all we want to do now is make sure we keep doing this "the Steelers way." We can't have a few people holding on to something because they made their name by inventing it or have achieved past succeses. That is going to be an end of our success unless we change and make people react to us versus us just worrying about being the same when the same doesn't matter anymore.

If in fact Art II dictated more running then he set us back years because we saw how that turned out. You can never relive the past.

well in his defense he said more effective but it's still moving the clock back IMO. That is one area where I agree with Wreck...

I'm not an expert... didn't play D1 but dammit I grew up around a lot of people who did in Western PA and I'm seeing much better production and execution from a lot of teams in the NFL. Our O looks pedestrian, out dated and clunky....

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 04:48 PM
well in his defense he said more effective but it's still moving the clock back IMO. That is one area where I agree with Wreck...

I'm not an expert... didn't play D1 but dammit I grew up around a lot of people who did in Western PA and I'm seeing much better production and execution from a lot of teams in the NFL. Our O looks pedestrian, out dated and clunky....

Fix the OL. How many times did the winning QBs face pressure this past weekend? A few sacks but on most pass plays and run plays the OL won. Ours never does. Need more talent on the OL or we will waste Ben's last five years.

feltdizz
01-14-2013, 04:54 PM
Fix the OL. How many times did the winning QBs face pressure this past weekend? A few sacks but on most pass plays and run plays the OL won. Ours never does. Need more talent on the OL or we will waste Ben's last five years.

Running backs as well... look at our big azz babies. Always hurt or hobbled after a 5 yard gain. Maybe it's my HD but I swore every team had a guy the size of Rainey and they ran with power and ran through arm tackles. Do we really need another slow 270 pound RB on our roster?

eniparadoxgma
01-14-2013, 05:22 PM
Jerk off reaction is right!!

QFT. :tt2

papillon
01-14-2013, 05:35 PM
Agreed! And I believe this read option that we are seeing now in the NFL isnt going to be as effective all that much longer.

Not only do I think it won't be effective, but wait until the DE that is being optioned starts whacking the quarterback whether he heas the ball or not, it will come to an end. That's one way to defend the read option, the DE takes the quarterback and lets his mates handle the RB and any potential receiving threat. RGIII isn't a real big guy, he'll only be able withstand so many hits from guys like JJ Watt, Kiesel, the Smiths form the 9ers, etc. They'll make plays like they did this year, but the beating will take a toll on them over time.

Just my opinion...

Pappy

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 05:39 PM
Not only do I think it won't be effective, but wait until the DE that is being optioned starts whacking the quarterback whether he heas the ball or not, it will come to an end. That's one way to defend the read option, the DE takes the quarterback and lets his mates handle the RB and any potential receiving threat. RGIII isn't a real big guy, he'll only be able withstand so many hits from guys like JJ Watt, Kiesel, the Smiths form the 9ers, etc. They'll make plays like they did this year, but the beating will take a toll on them over time.

Just my opinion...

Pappy

I agree. The QB has to be considered a runner and blasted everytime they can.

Dee Dub
01-14-2013, 06:15 PM
Not only do I think it won't be effective, but wait until the DE that is being optioned starts whacking the quarterback whether he heas the ball or not, it will come to an end. That's one way to defend the read option, the DE takes the quarterback and lets his mates handle the RB and any potential receiving threat. RGIII isn't a real big guy, he'll only be able withstand so many hits from guys like JJ Watt, Kiesel, the Smiths form the 9ers, etc. They'll make plays like they did this year, but the beating will take a toll on them over time.

Just my opinion...

Pappy

Yep! If you watch what Kaepernick did for the 49ers he really didn't do anything. It was more of the Packers not doing something. Almost every time the end or DB blitzing off the edge sucked in on the fake hand off inside and left Kaepernick all alone to run around the end. They had no contain what so ever. A major fail. This embarrassment is only going to go around so many times in the NFL.

papillon
01-14-2013, 06:23 PM
Yep! If you watch what Kaepernick did for the 49ers he really didn't do anything. It was more of the Packers not doing something. Almost every time the end or DB blitzing off the edge sucked in on the fake hand off inside and left Kaepernick all alone to run around the end. They had no contain what so ever. A major fail. This embarrassment is only going to go around so many times in the NFL.

Yea, that's what I was thinking, these guys (defensive ends) haven't had to defend this type of offense in their NFL careers, but now there's an entire year's worth of tape on these guys. I certainly think that the defenses will tkae a look at the tape without having to prepare a game plan and find tendencies, tells from the linemen, backs and even QBs and be able to defend this offense in the upcoming year a lot more effectively. The Steelers defended it well this year against the Skins.

It's just a matter of time, the more the NFL changes the more it stays the same. Kaepernick, RGIII, Wilson (to a degree) they will all have to be able to beat you form the pocket before their careers are over and I hope for their sake that their careers don't end before they really get started.

Pappy

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 06:26 PM
So when the offense is successful it is because the defense didn't do something. When the offense fails it is because they are bad. How about the option that offenses can do more things than any defense can counter because of rule changes. I vote for that one because it isn't prejudiced by a defense first and always point of view.

The league has made offenses preeminent because of specific rule changes. Defenses just can't really counter that anymore so you need to optimize your offensive performance to be successful.

fezziwig
01-14-2013, 06:26 PM
Complacency will be the end of our continued success because the league has changed and doing things "the Steelers way" won't work going forward.

We can't wait 2-3 years to get a defensive player trained up and then be forced to lock them into big second contracts. It ties up too much of the cap. We need a system that allows players to come in, learn fast and contribute fast.


I agree, the Steelers take such a long time to develope a player or waiting for a guy to come of age, the cycle never ends and we never have a group/unit that is firing on all cylinders at the same time. When they have got the guy where they want him is contract is usally due by now and not only have they paid this guy to learn, they now owe him big bucks if they want to keep him. Believe it or not, they're usually not worth the money after a season or two if the team is that lucky.

Does this sound like anyone we know ?

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 06:30 PM
I agree, the Steelers take such a long time to develope a player or waiting for a guy to come of age, the cycle never ends and we never have a group/unit that is firing on all cylinders at the same time. When they have got the guy where they want him is contract is usally due by now and not only have they paid this guy to learn, they now owe him big bucks if they want to keep him. Believe it or not, they're usually not worth the money after a season or two if the team is that lucky.

Does this sound like anyone we know ?

Interesting comment was made yesterday. I can't remember which commentator or which game but he said that you have to have a system in place and scout to fit the system to be successful and sustain that in the NFL today. That means you can get players to contribute early and increase your success rate.

I wouldn't consider drafting players that have to go through a 2-year conversion process as meeting that criteria.

Chadman
01-14-2013, 06:33 PM
The "Steelers Way" isn't the problem. The Steelers didn't miss the playoffs because they are stuck in some Olde School mentality. Drafting 100 rookies & playing them 'just because' won't turn them into SB contenders next season.

What tends to get forgotten, or overlooked in the argument around playing rookies in a 'sink or swim' type environment is that for the teams throwing these rookies in, there's generally an opening for them due to having a weaker player there the previous year.

in other words- rookies start on crap teams because the crap teams already have crap players.

Now, there are exceptions to every rule. Yes, the Patriots make use of several rookies through a season. But the Patriots also have a lot of stability that gets overlooked too.

What we are seeing at the moment for the Steelers is 'rapid change' in the roster. The FO had previously decided to squeeze the orange dry on guys like Farrior, Ward, Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Starks, Polamalu, Clark, Miller, Harrison, Taylor, Hoke.. and fair enough- they pushed for an extra SB win instead of revamping. But that comes with a cost. Last season we lost Ward, Farrior, Smith & Hoke in 1 hit. That's 3 significant starters & 1 significant back-up that were replaced in 1 hit. We'll see more this year- probably Hampton, Starks & possibly Harrison or Foote. Then in a year's time probably Clark, or Polamalu, Taylor..

In other words- over the course of 3-4 years, this team will be revamped. That a young guy drafted last year isn't starting immediately does not mean the Steelers way isn't working. It's just a different way than some teams of achieving the same result. History tells us it isn't a bad way of doing it.

Oviedo
01-14-2013, 06:40 PM
The "Steelers Way" isn't the problem. The Steelers didn't miss the playoffs because they are stuck in some Olde School mentality. Drafting 100 rookies & playing them 'just because' won't turn them into SB contenders next season.

What tends to get forgotten, or overlooked in the argument around playing rookies in a 'sink or swim' type environment is that for the teams throwing these rookies in, there's generally an opening for them due to having a weaker player there the previous year.

in other words- rookies start on crap teams because the crap teams already have crap players.

Now, there are exceptions to every rule. Yes, the Patriots make use of several rookies through a season. But the Patriots also have a lot of stability that gets overlooked too.

What we are seeing at the moment for the Steelers is 'rapid change' in the roster. The FO had previously decided to squeeze the orange dry on guys like Farrior, Ward, Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Starks, Polamalu, Clark, Miller, Harrison, Taylor, Hoke.. and fair enough- they pushed for an extra SB win instead of revamping. But that comes with a cost. Last season we lost Ward, Farrior, Smith & Hoke in 1 hit. That's 3 significant starters & 1 significant back-up that were replaced in 1 hit. We'll see more this year- probably Hampton, Starks & possibly Harrison or Foote. Then in a year's time probably Clark, or Polamalu, Taylor..

In other words- over the course of 3-4 years, this team will be revamped. That a young guy drafted last year isn't starting immediately does not mean the Steelers way isn't working. It's just a different way than some teams of achieving the same result. History tells us it isn't a bad way of doing it.

"Squeezing the orange dry" rarely works which is why you have to get youth in game experience so they are ready to step in.

Slapstick
01-14-2013, 07:03 PM
Bellichek has continued to win b/c he doesn't copycat others.

Except Chip Kelly...

fezziwig
01-14-2013, 07:18 PM
To me or for me the most important unit to have on your team and to have them gel is the o-line. It seems to take this group the most time to gel. With a good o-line it helps everyone on the offense. Veterans are being protected, rookies/older players have these guys to give them possibly a split second more and so on. The qb is obviously key to having success but why throw a young qb in there to be abused by a line that can't protect him. What good are great runners, receivers if the o-line can't open holes, give the qb time to throw ?

The front office failed along time ago by allowing this o-line to be the red headed step child. They seldom drafted high or did much to help the o-line unit. When Neil (he blew) the Super Bowl O'Dumbass was the qb we had a unit second to none. Kordell came in, guys got old, guys left from the o-line and nothing was done about it. I used to say back in Kordells playing days, " I hope they address this o-line because, Kordells being swift of foot is hiding these guys inadequacies. "
At least they did the free agency thing back then with Duvall Love, Tom Newberry, Hartings at the time.
These Steelers have flopped so badly at the o-line and here is were our offensive troubles truly stem from.

pfelix73
01-14-2013, 08:43 PM
Well, you are correct about the cohesiveness along the OL. It is the most important part to having a successful OL. With that said, all of the injuries up front over the past 2 years hasn't helped.

As I've said many times over and over, I don't think the main issue is who we have on the team right now playing on the OL. I still think that a lot of the problems are fixable. I never liked Kugler as an OL coach. And I never liked the offensive philosophy that BA incorporated with the 2 TE 1 back sets. I prefer a real FB in there. Just think if we had my ECU boy Vonte Leach as our FB.... I thought Haley had a good game plan for this offense and it was starting to click right up until the KC game. They were controlling the clock big time and BB was about the most efficient QB on 3rd downs. Our RB's were all having good games rushing, etc., then it all unravelled in the KC game when Ben went down. Not to mention, we really need to find a #1 RB for this team and stick with primarily 1 back. This RB by committee doesn't work in the long run. Drafting a RB or picking up one via FA is a must this year.

Back to the OL- Some of the blocking schemes I see coming from the OL are baffling at times. I can't think of specific plays at this very moment but I do remember watching games thinking wtf are they doing. Lack of cohesion (poor communication) along with poor coaching can be blamed for a lot of that. I think we're gonna see a big difference with a 2nd year Haley as OC, and a new OL coach, some better training in the weight room, and an OL that can play together for a season. We've got the guys to put it all together. They are a young group. If we can cut Colon and maybe sign a FA for some depth, I'm looking forward to 2013 Steelers training camp to watch the OL come together. And yea, I'm totally all for Tunch taking over the OL job as long as he'll take it.

Dee Dub
01-14-2013, 09:05 PM
Yea, that's what I was thinking, these guys (defensive ends) haven't had to defend this type of offense in their NFL careers, but now there's an entire year's worth of tape on these guys. I certainly think that the defenses will tkae a look at the tape without having to prepare a game plan and find tendencies, tells from the linemen, backs and even QBs and be able to defend this offense in the upcoming year a lot more effectively. The Steelers defended it well this year against the Skins.

It's just a matter of time, the more the NFL changes the more it stays the same. Kaepernick, RGIII, Wilson (to a degree) they will all have to be able to beat you form the pocket before their careers are over and I hope for their sake that their careers don't end before they really get started.

Pappy

I am right there with you on this one Pap! Good stuff. Look at what happened to Cam Newton year 2. Teams get tape on a player and they make adjustments. The great ones are those who can re-adjust and counter it. But most of these read option QB's have been so trained to run and be runners that adjusting as a pocket passer is not second nature.

BURGH86STEEL
01-14-2013, 09:33 PM
"Squeezing the orange dry" rarely works which is why you have to get youth in game experience so they are ready to step in.

As soon as young players step on the field and don't perform well then fans label those players as busts. Fans will state there must be another player that's better or another player should be given a shot ect ect. The next man up is always a better option in fan's minds. The problem is that fans don't have a clue of the mistakes that young players make in practice. Mistakes in practice more then likely transition over onto the field. It's something to be said for coaches that have patience with players that show potential. All that being said, the coaches do give young players opportunities to play. Just because they don't start doesn't mean they don't get opportunities to play.

People often believe that learning the defense is the only obstacle for young defensive players. Young defensive players must also learn the complex offenses around the league. Complex offenses that show multiple formations and personnel packages. Very few defensive players that come into the league can start and be productive players right away.

At the end of the day the Steelers are going to continue to do what they do because it's worked for many years. There is no need to change their philosophy because of a few bumps in the road.

If the team can clean up the turnovers and Ben can win games at the end then the team will be fine next season.

BATMAN
01-14-2013, 09:37 PM
Well, you are correct about the cohesiveness along the OL. It is the most important part to having a successful OL. With that said, all of the injuries up front over the past 2 years hasn't helped.

As I've said many times over and over, I don't think the main issue is who we have on the team right now playing on the OL. I still think that a lot of the problems are fixable. I never liked Kugler as an OL coach. And I never liked the offensive philosophy that BA incorporated with the 2 TE 1 back sets. I prefer a real FB in there. Just think if we had my ECU boy Vonte Leach as our FB.... I thought Haley had a good game plan for this offense and it was starting to click right up until the KC game. They were controlling the clock big time and BB was about the most efficient QB on 3rd downs. Our RB's were all having good games rushing, etc., then it all unravelled in the KC game when Ben went down. Not to mention, we really need to find a #1 RB for this team and stick with primarily 1 back. This RB by committee doesn't work in the long run. Drafting a RB or picking up one via FA is a must this year.

Back to the OL- Some of the blocking schemes I see coming from the OL are baffling at times. I can't think of specific plays at this very moment but I do remember watching games thinking wtf are they doing. Lack of cohesion (poor communication) along with poor coaching can be blamed for a lot of that. I think we're gonna see a big difference with a 2nd year Haley as OC, and a new OL coach, some better training in the weight room, and an OL that can play together for a season. We've got the guys to put it all together. They are a young group. If we can cut Colon and maybe sign a FA for some depth, I'm looking forward to 2013 Steelers training camp to watch the OL come together. And yea, I'm totally all for Tunch taking over the OL job as long as he'll take it.

Nice comments pf73 and your sig tells it all. We do need a runningback that the Steelers will dedicate their focus upon with having him be the lead guy like Bettis once was. I don't see it in Mendenhall even though the guy has talent I don't think he has the motor, heart, desire or whatever it requires to be dominate. We've all complained about this coach or that coach but I believe we have a coach on the team that needs mentioned in the mix of, what have you don for me latley or at all for that matter and I'm speaking of Kirby.
I see no positives from our runningback core and instead of these guys improving they seem to be doing worse. If Kirby was an o-line, special teams or OC coach on this team you could bet he would be getting a weekly ear beating from the fans.
Wow, I don't care for him as the runningback coach and I'n not going to care for him as a OC if that day ever comes. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but right now, he isn't doing his job. Who was the runningback coach for the Steelers for so many years, anyone remember his name ?

feltdizz
01-14-2013, 10:00 PM
"Squeezing the orange dry" rarely works which is why you have to get youth in game experience so they are ready to step in.

Bingo... its not like this rapid turnover was a surprise.

supersteeler
01-14-2013, 10:02 PM
Nice comments pf73 and your sig tells it all. We do need a runningback that the Steelers will dedicate their focus upon with having him be the lead guy like Bettis once was. I don't see it in Mendenhall even though the guy has talent I don't think he has the motor, heart, desire or whatever it requires to be dominate. We've all complained about this coach or that coach but I believe we have a coach on the team that needs mentioned in the mix of, what have you don for me latley or at all for that matter and I'm speaking of Kirby.
I see no positives from our runningback core and instead of these guys improving they seem to be doing worse. If Kirby was an o-line, special teams or OC coach on this team you could bet he would be getting a weekly ear beating from the fans.
Wow, I don't care for him as the runningback coach and I'n not going to care for him as a OC if that day ever comes. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but right now, he isn't doing his job. Who was the runningback coach for the Steelers for so many years, anyone remember his name ?

Dick Hoak

BATMAN
01-14-2013, 10:09 PM
Thank you and I can't beleive I forgot his name. Dick Hoak even upon the day he retired looked as if he could run the ball. That guy did wonders with the guys he had for so many years. He must shake his head when he sees what a crapfest we have going on with the run game and how little Kirby has responded to it.