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Chadman
01-07-2013, 01:27 AM
Hello all, once again.

Chadman has decided it is time to begin his annual Off-Season review & discussion thread so that, by draft time, we can have as much possible information at our fingertips to play around with.

We'll look at the current squad, the salary cap, the draft, FA's, rumours, rookie interviews....as much as time allows. Then at the end, we might even see a mock draft or two just to spice things up.

Hopefully this won't be too boring for you guys...

Chadman
01-07-2013, 01:27 AM
2013 Player Roster & Salary:

QB'S:
Ben Roethlisberger- Salary $11,600,000.00 Cap Cost $20,595,000.00

RB'S:
Will Johnson- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00

TE'S:
Heath Miller- Salary $5,162,000.00 Cap Cost $7,958,500.00
David Paulsen- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $491,474.00
Jamie McCoy- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00
Zack Pianalto- Salary unconfirmed

WR'S:
Antonio Brown- Salary $2,000,000.00 Cap Cost $6,200,000.00
Jericho Cotchery- Salary $1,000,000.00 Cap Cost $1,500,000.00
David Gilreath- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00
Derek Moye- Salary $405,000.00 Cap Cost $405,000.00
Bert Reed- Salary $405,000.00 Cap Cost $405,000.00

OT'S:
Marcus Gilbert- Salary $668,402.00 Cap Cost $880,204.00
Mike Adams- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $805,375.00
Kelvin Beachum- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $491,474.00
Joe Long- Salary $405,000.00 Cap Cost $405,000.00

OG'S:
Willie Colon- Salary $5,500,000.00 Cap Cost $7,650,000.00
David DeCastro- Salary $745,177.00 Cap Cost $1,775,886.00
John Melecki- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00
Justin Cheadle- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00

OC'S:
Maurkice Pouncey- Salary $977,250.00 Cap Cost $2,527,875.00

DE'S:
Brett Keisel- Salary $2,825,000.00 Cap Cost $4,500,000.00
Ziggy Hood- Salary $660,000.00 Cap Cost $2,990,860.00
Cameron Heyward- Salary $984,548.00 Cap Cost $1,828,644.00
Al Woods- Salary $630,000.00 Cap Cost $630,000.00

NT'S:
Alemeda Ta'amu- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $588,328.00
Hebron Fangupo- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00

OLB'S:
LaMarr Woodley- Salary $9,000,000.00 Cap Cost $13,240,000.00
James Harrison- Salary $6,570,000.00 Cap Cost $10,035,000.00
Jason Worilds- Salary $630,000.00 Cap Cost $985,000.00
Chris Carter- Salary $555,000.00 Cap Cost $595,700.00
Adrian Robinson- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $481,666.00

ILB'S:
Lawrence Timmons- Salary $5,375,000.00 Cap Cost $11,160,000.00
Sean Spence- Salary $500,000.00 Cap Cost $636,345.00
Stevenson Sylvester- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $488,853.00
Marshall McFadden- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00
Kion Wilson- Salary $405,000.00 Cap Cost $405,000.00

CB'S:
Ike Taylor- Salary $6,000,000.00 Cap Cost $9,454,166.00
Curtis Brown- Salary $555,000.00 Cap Cost $685,300.00
Cortez Allen- Salary $555,000.00 Cap Cost $652,875.00
Josh Victorian- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $480,000.00
Isaiah Green- Salary $405,000.00 Cap Cost $405,000.00
Justin King-Unconfirmed Salary at this point

SS'S:
Troy Polamalu- Salary $7,500,000.00 Cap Cost $10,137,500.00
Robert Golden- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $481,666.00

FS'S:
Ryan Clark- Salary $3,500,000.00 Cap Cost $4,750,000.00
Damon Cromartie-Smith- Salary $550,000.00 Cap Cost $550,000.00

K'S:
Shaun Suisham- Salary $1,425,000.00 Cap Cost $1,762,500.00
Danny Hrapmann- Salary unconfirmed

P'S:
Drew Butler- Salary $480,000.00 Cap Cost $481,166.00

LS'S:

Chadman
01-07-2013, 01:28 AM
Free agency-

Steelers FA's:
QB Charlie Batch
QB Byron Leftwich

RB Rashard Mendenhall
RB Baron Batch (ERFA)
RB Jonathan Dwyer (RFA)
RB Isaac Redman (RFA)

WR Mike Wallace
WR Plaxico Burress
WR Emmanual Sanders (RFA)

TE Leonard Pope

OT Max Starks

OG Ramon Foster
OG Doug Legursky

OC Greg Warren

NT Casey Hampton
NT Steve McLendon (RFA)

LB Larry Foote
LB Brandon Johnson

CB Keenan Lewis
CB Demarcus Van Dyke (ERFA)

FS Ryan Mundy

SS Will Allen

Signings:
CB Justin King (Steelers)
LB Brian Rolle (Eagles)
TE Zack Pianalto (Bills)
K Danny Hrapmann (Steelers)
WR Kashif Moore (Colts)

Losses:
RB Chris Rainey (Released- Moron)


Rumours:
NT Casey Hampton not expected back (29/1/13)

WR Mike Wallace- Steelers don't expect to match his demands of $10-$11m per season, but expect some teams will. (28/1/13)

There is a youth movement on the defensive side of the football for the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers), but DL Brett Keisel (http://www.kffl.com/player/5818/nfl/brett-keisel) is expected to return and serve as the only player on the defensive line over the age of 30 in 2013. He is coming off one of his best seasons, recording 4.5 sacks, all in the final eight games of the season. He also had 40 quarterback pressures, which was twice as many as any other player on the roster.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=3#ixzz2JJZTssVl (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=3#ixzz2JJZTssVl)

Updating a previous report, Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) DL Casey Hampton (http://www.kffl.com/player/1510/nfl/casey-hampton) said he plans to play at least one more season, if not for the Steelers, then for another NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl/nfl) team. The Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are prepared to move on without him despite the fact he started all 16 games in 2012.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=4#ixzz2JJZlFkgT (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=4#ixzz2JJZlFkgT)

The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) may look to add a nose tackle this offseason if they decide to release DT Alameda Ta'amu (http://www.kffl.com/player/25857/nfl/alameda-taamu).


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=6#ixzz2JJaS0xc9 (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=6#ixzz2JJaS0xc9)

29/1/13- Ryan Clark may be released as a Cap casualty.

Chadman
01-07-2013, 01:30 AM
The Draft:

Rumours:
Steeler pay close attention/ have a chat with FS/SS Jonathon Cyprien (Florida Int) at Senior Bowl.
Steelers | WR a top priority in the draft (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=837459-steelers-wr-a-top-priority-in-the-draft)
Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:03:41 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) will make wide receiver a top priority in this year's draft with TE Heath Miller (http://www.kffl.com/player/11312/nfl/heath-miller) (knee) injured and WRs Antonio Brown (http://www.kffl.com/player/22341/nfl/antonio-brown) and Emmanuel Sanders (http://www.kffl.com/player/22700/nfl/emmanuel-sanders) both similar receivers that won't strike fear in opposing secondaries due to their lack of threat on the deep routes. California WR Keenan Allen (http://www.kffl.com/player/27509/nfl/keenan-allen) may be a target, as he's considered a top-15 pick. Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson (http://www.kffl.com/player/27588/nfl/cordarrelle-patterson) is another prospect expected to be taken in the first round, but he's not as polished as Allen and lacks top-end speed.
0 Comments (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=837459-steelers-wr-a-top-priority-in-the-draft) | Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Ed Bouchette (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-sunday-spotlight-speed-kills-and-so-does-the-lack-of-it-673215/)


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz2JzHCwuZx

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Slapstick
01-07-2013, 07:16 AM
Man, it blows to have to start this thread so early, eh?:(

squidkid
01-07-2013, 09:50 AM
not sure of the cap ramifications if released but these guys are way overpriced for what they bring to the table:
colon
woodley
harrision
polomalu

somewhat overpriced:
keisel
taylor
miller
hood

Chadman
01-07-2013, 10:19 AM
not sure of the cap ramifications if released but these guys are way overpriced for what they bring to the table:
colon
woodley
harrision
polomalu

somewhat overpriced:
keisel
taylor
miller
hood

If Miller & his 70+ catches is 'somewhat overpriced' at about $7.9m, what is Antonio Brown on $6.2m? Miller outperformed any other Offensive player this season- he's about the one guy that genuinly earned his money.

Brown had a poor return on his big contract extension.

Chadman
01-07-2013, 10:21 AM
Man, it blows to have to start this thread so early, eh?:(

Yeah.... but at the same time, how lucky are we normally that starting this thread 'this early' is unusual?

pfelix73
01-07-2013, 11:50 AM
Gonna have to restructure some of those contracts.. Including Ben's. Try to create some cap room for a FA or 2.

Chadman
01-07-2013, 06:17 PM
Gonna have to restructure some of those contracts.. Including Ben's. Try to create some cap room for a FA or 2.

Agreed- but mainly the younger, higher paid guys like Woodley, Timmons & perhaps even Colon- you can spread that cap hit out, without their level of play decreasing (in theory). Restructuring the older guys like Polamalu, Ike, Keisel & Harrison... that just bites the team.

Chadman
01-07-2013, 07:02 PM
2012 REVIEW- QUARTERBACK



Alright, let's get this thing started properly. First, we'll look at the play of the QB's this season, and see where we are at with that position.

BEN ROETHLISBERGER: (Under Contract)
13 games started, 7 wins 6 losses, 284 completions 449 attempts (63.3%), 3,265 yards, 26 TD's 8 INT's, 30 sacks.

Prior to his injury, Ben was having an outstanding season. Even factoring in a 'bad turn' towards the back end of the year (post-injury), Ben still, statistically, was great. Despite reports that he was at odds with Haley over the offense, it certainly looks like the offense agreed with Ben. The losses to the Chargers, Cowboys & Bengals were all post-injury & it's quite believable that had Ben been fit, these would have been W's instead of L's. Too many crucial turnovers late in the season- a complete contrast to the Ben we had at the beginning of the year. He's clearly the #1 QB on this roster, and if we can get those sack numbers down, and keep him healthy, Chadman expects that Ben could have an outstanding 2013.

CHARLIE BATCH: (FA)
2 games started, 1 win 1 loss, 45 completions 75 attempts (64.3%), 475 yards, 1 TD 4 INT's, 3 sacks.

Charlie had 1 abysmal game (Cleveland.... nobody ever talk about Cleveland) & followed that up with a heroic victory over the Ravens. He's an efficient, clever QB, without any significant arm power or ability to move around much. He is, however, 1 million years old. How long can he go for? Chadman is pretty convinced that the Steelers should entertain the idea of bringing him back to be the #2 QB next year (officially) but really serving as Ben's sounding-board & the mentor for any new QB brought into Pittsburgh. He'd cost vet minimum to bring back.

BYRON LEFTWICH: (FA)
1 game started, 0 wins 1 loss, 25 completions 53 attempts (47.2%), 272 yards, 0 TD's 1 INT, 3 sacks.

Byron stepped in after Ben got hurt, and was clearly out of sync in the fill-in role. His next game start was better, but not great. Leftwich is about 6 years younger than Charlie Batch, and has experience in Pittsburgh under his belt. To be honest, Chadman quite likes him. He's a talented QB, even if he has that slow release. He has a genuine cannon arm. He's about as mobile as Charlie, but a little less accurate.



No doubt, Ben was great in the first half of the season. There is no reason to believe that, should the OL keep him upright, that he can't be just as great next season. The real question at QB is what to do about the back-up spot. Chadman has no doubt that at least 1, or perhaps even both of Batch & Leftwich will be back in Training Camp. 1 of these guys should probably serve as the back-up QB next season- but not both. At some point, the Steelers will need a younger guy, if only to serve as career back-up. Would not be surprised to see a "future contract" QB signed, like the way Troy Smith & Jerrod Johnson were brought in last season.

Slapstick
01-07-2013, 07:10 PM
Yeah.... but at the same time, how lucky are we normally that starting this thread 'this early' is unusual?

No argument here, Chadman...

Eddie Spaghetti
01-07-2013, 07:16 PM
eddie enjoys chadmans writeups.

but if they bring back leftwich and batch as the two backup QBs, eddie must question mike tomlins sanity.

Chadman
01-07-2013, 07:25 PM
eddie enjoys chadmans writeups.

but if they bring back leftwich and batch as the two backup QBs, eddie must question mike tomlins sanity.

Agreed that both shouldn't be the back-ups next year, but it wouldn't surprise to see both in Training Camp. Pretty sure at least 1 of the 2 will be Ben's back-up next year.

Chadman
01-07-2013, 10:24 PM
2012 REVIEW- RUNNINGBACK/FULLBACK

Moving on from QB, we take a look at a position in a state of flux- the RB.

RASHARD MENDENHALL: (FA)
4 games started, 51 attempts 182 yards (3.6 YPC), 0 TD's, 9 catches 62 yards 1 TD, 3 fumbles.

Rashard was coming back from a significant knee injury suffered last season, and the result was this year never really got going. To top that off, there was his ongoing issue of ball control as well as his questionable decisions to not attend a game where he was inactive, resulting in a 1 game suspension. He is, at his best, the most talented RB on the roster & he has several years of results on his resume to back that up. He still gives many fans the heebie-jeebies though with his ball control & his 'dancing'. He's a FA, and after his suspension issue, and his decreased role this season, it would seem unlikely he'll return.

ISAAC REDMAN: (RFA)
5 games started, 110 attempts 410 yards (3.7 YPC), 2 TD's, 19 catches 244 yards 0 TD's, 3 fumbles.

Redman is a bit of a fan favourite because of his hard running style, and possibly because he's doing all this against the odds as an UDFA. Redman was effective without being outstanding, proving he's a useful guy to have on the roster, but not a 'lead back' type guy. Interestingly, he's the most effective RB in the passing game. 3 fumbles ties him with the much maligned Mendenhall, but without the fan-ire.. as a RFA, Chadman expects he'll be back next season, playing the same kind of role as he did this year- a solid rotational RB at low cost.

JONATHAN DWYER: (RFA)
6 games started, 156 attempts 623 yards (4.0 YPC), 2 TD's, 18 catches 106 yards 0 TD's, 2 fumbles.

The Steelers leading RB in 2012, Dwyer emerged somewhat from obscurity. He's a similar type of RB to Redman, with perhaps a few extra moves. Runs well after contact, but needs better conditioning. Fits well into a RB rotation, as he's relentless in his style on every run, regardless of how many snaps he's played. Had only 1 less catch than Redman, but did significantly less with those catches. For all his hard running, could still only produce 2 TD's. Like Redman, Chadman expects there will be no question of Dwyer's return as a RFA, and like Redman, he'll return to a similar role- 1 part of a RB rotation at a moderate to low cost.

CHRIS RAINEY: (Under Contract)
0 games started, 26 attempts 102 yards (3.9 YPC), 2 TD's, 14 catches 60 yards 0 TD's, 4 fumbles.

Rainey looks like an exciting player- fast, agile, dangerous. But he's young, small & needs better control of the ball. He's actually the only RB under contract at this point. There was a fair bit to like of Rainey's first season in the NFL. He runs harder than you'd expect for a guy his size. Chadman can see him playing some part in the offense- similar to Dexter McCluster in KC. He'll never be a feature RB, but as a situational guy, he has value. Also can contribute as a WR & obviously, in his most prolific role as a returner.

BARON BATCH: (ERFA)
0 games started, 25 attempts 49 yards (2.0 YPC), 1 TD, 4 catches 31 yards 0 TD's, 0 fumbles.

Batch might be facing an uphill battle. He's not overly fast, not overly powerful, not overly shifty, not an overly effective blocker. That said- he's not bad in any of those areas- just not special in any. If a guy could succeed simply because people 'want' him to- it'd be this guy. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. He'll be in Camp, and with luck, might find a role in the RB rotation. But he's possibly the easiest piece of the rotation to replace.

WILL JOHNSON: (Under Contract)
7 games started, 2 attempts 7 yards (4.5 YPC), 0 TD's, 15 catches 137 yards 1 TD, 0 fumbles.

Johnson's first year as a Steeler, and he looked capable. Seems pretty efficient at catching out of the backfield, and Chadman can't remember him being particularly bad at blocking at any time. Certainly worth another go around, but it's possible the Steelers might kick the tyres of another FB if they become available- just not likely.


Despite a few fans saying that the Steelers need a RB to become the 'lead guy', Chadman thought the RB rotation was working OK. It lacks that 'take it to the house' type guy though. That said, the 'rotation' gained 1,300 odd yards on the ground this season- about the same as a modest lead RB. A younger Mewelde Moore type RB that can catch, block & run would be a useful addition- there is no real '3rd down RB' on this roster. Would not be surprised to see another mid-round type RB added through the draft.

Chadman
01-07-2013, 10:30 PM
Also should add that the RB's combined added 640 yards through the air, from 79 catches. Only 2 TD's though (although Baron Batch dropped the world's easiest TD catch this year- should be 3 TD's).

Not bad production from a group that never really featured a 'star'.

Chadman
01-08-2013, 01:17 AM
2012 REVIEW- WIDE RECEIVERS

Moving on to the next phase of the season review, we look at the Steelers WR's..

ANTONIO BROWN: (Under Contract)
10 games started, 66 catches 787 yards (11.9 YPC), 5 TD's

The Steelers #1 WR, Brown took a step back from his previous season's success story. There are likely many reasons for this, but one would surely be adjusting to the new offense that Todd Haley incorporates. Positively- Brown scored more TD's this season, a knock from his previous work. However, equally on the downside along with his drop in production was his tendancy to lose the ball. No doubt there will be extensive work put into that this off season. Despite his 'regression' this season, Brown is clearly a talented player. Hopefully next season his production will match the investment from the Steelers.

MIKE WALLACE: (FA)
14 games started, 64 catches 836 yards (13.1 YPC), 8 TD's

Mike Wallace has been debated relentlessly this season. It's quite obvious he was not as good this year as he has been previously. There appeared to be a motivation issue. This would obviously stem from his ongoing contract situation. He still produced a respectable yardage total, and still scored 8 TD's, but he was clearly only a shadow of what he can be. It seems likely he doesn't fit Haley's offense that well, as he's more a deep threat that a crossing route runner. Regardless of your stance on Mike Wallace, it seems extremely likely he'll be in different colours next season, so the Steelers need to move forward & find a suitable replacement. For the record- no, he wasn't a "Top 10" WR in 2012.

EMMANUEL SANDERS: (RFA)
7 games started, 44 catches 626 yards (14.2 YPC), 1 TD

Sanders was hot & cold this season (seems a recurring trend). It's somewhat frustrating that he doesn't take that extra step from talented to performing. That said, he isn't playing badly. He has a nice, rounded skill set- possibly the most rounded WR on the roster. He obviously can get open, catch the circus catch, run, take a hit. He can also fumble... but then, can't all the Steelers do that? It seems likely that Sanders will step in as the #2 WR next season, so maybe we will see him transition into that 'complete' WR as a result? As a RFA, Chadman would be amazed to not see him back.

JERRICHO COTCHERY: (Under Contract)
2 games started, 17 catches 205 yards (12.1 YPC), 0 TD's.

Cotchery is about as steady a WR as you can get. He isn't flashy, but he is a gritty performer. With Wallace moving on, it would seem Cotchery will move into the slot WR role as Sanders steps up next season. Chadman has no doubt, that when called, Cotchery will perform. He won't, however, dominate a game or break it open. But he will contribute when called upon. 1 major positive- Cotchery is one Steeler with 0 fumbles to his name in 2012!

PLAXICO BURRESS: (FA)
3 games started, 3 catches 42 yards (14.0 YPC), 1 TD.

Who would have thought we'd be reviewing this name again? Wasn't called on much, but in very limited opportunity, he performed adequately. Chadman thinks he could fill a role if brought back next season- he's a big target that is 'open' even when he's covered- something that will certainly help with the Haley "Dink & Dunk" offense. Had 1 very good TD catch in the last game.

DAVID GILREATH: (Under Contract)
0 games started, no stats.

Gilreath will get a chance in Training Camp to make an impression. Not sure how he fits the system, he doesn't appear to add anything different to the guys on the roster- but hard to tell from limited vision.


The WR position will be subject to change next season with Wallace moving on. Some fans will be happy to see him go, some happy to see Sanders move up the roster order. Regardless of your take, the Steelers need to account for the removal of Wallace from the playing roster- most likely through a Draft addition. Chadman would like to see Burress brought back on a vet minimum contract, and see the Steelers draft a bigger, more physical style WR to give Todd Haley (assuming he stays) a better crossing-route target, and maybe opening up the field for Brown more.

Chadman
01-08-2013, 09:11 PM
2012 SEASON REVIEW- TIGHT END

Todd Haley came over from KC this offseason with a comment in tow about wanting to involve Heath Miller more in the offense. With a track record of TE involvement behind him, it should have been of no surprise to see him follow through with that plan.


HEATH MILLER: (Under Contract)
15 games started, 71 catches 816 yards (11.5 YPC), 8 TD's

Probably no player loved the addition of Todd Haley more than Heath Miller, who had an outstanding season. He was everything we always thought he could be- a genuine threat in the passing game without compromising his ability to help as a blocker. That bad knee injury at the end of the season is troubling, he'll likely miss some time at the beginning of next season as a result- which will put him behind the rest of the team as far as production goes. Still, he was outstanding in 2012.

DAVID PAULSEN: (Under Contract)
5 games started, 7 catches 51 yards (7.3 YPC), 0 TD's

Didn't get to see a lot of Paulsen, but the rookie got on the field this season, which is generally a sign that there might be 'something' to work with. Got a few starts as the #2 TE & figures to see more again, particularly with Miller injured, next season.

LEONARD POPE: (FA)
2 games started, 3 catches 9 yards (3.0 YPC), 2 TD's

Pope came over from KC, having followed Haley from Arizona to KC, to Pittsburgh. Didn't see much time on the field (could be a result of how Paulsen was viewed?) & seems unlikely to be a high priority for the Steelers this off season. That said- if Miller is out going into next season, Pope's familiarity with Haley's offense might earn him a vet minimum contract to return.


Chadman feels that TE is 1 position we might see an upgrade come into the organisation- either through FA or the draft. Miller's injury was bad, and he is 32 years old next season. The time to nurture a replacement might be upon the Steelers. Is that guy Paulsen? Don't know. But the direction the team takes this off season with the TE's will certainly give us an idea of what they think they have in him.

Chadman
01-08-2013, 11:33 PM
2012 SEASON REVIEW- OFFENSIVE LINE

The analysis will be done a little differently here as statistics for individuals are hard to gauge. We'll take a look at a few interesting stats though, just to get an idea of where we are at.

2012 SACKS ALLOWED: 37 (42 in 2011)
The Steelers ranked 15th in the NFL for pass protection in 2012. This could be, in part, to the Haley offense, but there is a steady trend downwards for the Steeler sack totals, so some credit must also be given for improved OL play.

2012 YARD PER CARRY AVERAGE: 3.7
This average has the Steelers ranked 29th in the NFL, which is obviously very poor. In part, there is probably some blame to be placed on poor quality RB's. Considering the revised emphasis on the running game that was promised, this must be an area of concern for the Steelers.

We can break down the running statistics a little more, however:
STEELERS POWER RUNNING (Percentage of runs on 3rd/4th down, 2 yards or less to go, that were converted): 61% (19th in the NFL)

STUFFED RUNS (Percentage of run attempts caught behind the LOS) :19% (17th in the NFL)

2ND LEVEL RUNS (Where a RB gains 5-10 yards past the LOS divided by carries) :0.95% (30th in NFL)

OPEN FIELD RUNS (Total of runs past 10 yards past the LOS, divided by carries) :0.54% (24th in NFL)

What we see here is that the OL doesn't open enough holes on the short yardage runs to be considered 'dominant'. But at the same time, the RB's don't have the moves/ability to gain extra yards past the LOS anyway. In all, what this means is, we can't run the football well enough.

Breaking down the run blocking further, we can see the success the Steelers had when running by direction: (Yards gained in each direction, on average)

LEFT END: 4.55 (5th in NFL)
LEFT TACKLE: 4.83 (6th in NFL)
MID/GUARD: 3.44 (30th in NFL)
RIGHT TACKLE: 4.17 (10th in NFL)
RIGHT END: 4.91 (9th in NFL)

This quite obviously shows that the greatest weakness is running between the Guards. Once the Steelers move the ball wider, they are actually in the top echelon of run blocking teams, but there is a genuine weakness (30th in the NFL!!) when it comes to the old run up the middle. And this, on a team that features what we could describe as 2 'power runners' in Dwyer & Redman.

Now- it's not all doom & gloom on the inside. No doubt that David DeCastro, healthy, will certainly help with run blocking. And Willie Colon was starting to look pretty good at LG. It's a young OL, it's improving. And the Steelers need to help the OL out by getting a RB that can gain extra yards downfield- not just a '3 yards & a cloud of dust' RB committee.

MAX STARKS: (FA)

Max keeps getting brought back of late, and keeps performing. How long can this go on? We'll find out shortly, one would think. He's a very stable, solid LT that has anchored the young line well. Not a flashy type, but the stats prove he is certainly adequate, particularly when he only costs around the $1 million a year mark.

WILLIE COLON: (Under Contract)

Willie shifted to LG (at last!) and looked pretty good there. He certainly is the most physical of the Steeler OL guys. Does he play at the level of his contract number? Very debatable. But he isn't anywhere near as bad as some would want you to believe. He needs to stay healthy though. Could be a candidate for a restructure.

MAURKICE POUNCEY: (Under Contract)

Maurkice is easily the best OL player on the roster.....but that said, it's in and around him that the OL needs to improve. The Steelers need to run the ball better around him- and some of that responsibility must fall on his shoulders.

DAVID DECASTRO: (Under Contract)

A real shame that injury put him back last year, but on the positive... it's like having a 2nd 1st Round pick next season. Without putting too much pressure on him.... the Steelers need him to improve the standard. He's the key to the run game improving.

MARCUS GILBERT: (Under Contract)

He gets a bit of ribbing in here, but for a 2 year player, his standard is pretty good. There is talk he might move to LT if Starks moves on, which will increase the pressure placed on him, but he's a young, improving player & the Steelers need guys like him to continue developing. When you have a starter that costs less than $1m a year in such an important position- and they don't stink...that's value.

MIKE ADAMS: (Under Contract)

Could just about write the same thing for Adams as Gilbert. If Starks leaves, both the young OT's will be starting. Adams has a few detractors... and fair enough. He needs to improve his pass blocking, he needs more consistancy. But he's an elite prospect. It might hurt, short term, but putting Adams & Gilbert into the lineup, and letting them learn, might pay off big down the track.

RAMON FOSTER: (FA)

Foster has done nothing but fill in admirably when called upon. He's solid in every aspect of his game, without being dominant in any 1 area. That might sound like a critisism, but it's not, really. This is a guy that just won't let you down. Someone will likely pay him to be a starter, and he deserves that opportunity. Hard to wish him anything but the best if he moves on.

DOUG LEGURSKY: (FA)

Legursky has been in Pittsburgh for a number of years now & has provided steady, if unspectacular play on the inside. Filled in at OC this year & played reasonably well. As a spot starter & back-up, he provides good value. Chadman would expect to see him back.

KELVIN BEACHUM: (Under Contract)

Was surprisingly effective for a rookie 7th round pick in his few starts this season. Looks like there might be something to work with there. If Starks moves on, it's likely that Beachum becomes the top back-up unless a FA is added to provide depth.

JOHN MELECKI: (Under Contract)

He'll have his chance in camp to stick around.

JOE LONG: (Under Contract)

If Starks leaves, there will be an opening at OT & Long has the pedigree..

JUSTIN CHEADLE: (Under Contract)

Like Melecki, he'll have a chance in camp to show if he belongs.


What the Steelers do on the OL will be strongly determined by FA & what, if anything, they do with Colon. It wouldn't surprise Chadman if, given the financial situation, Starks cannot be retained, that the Steelers will be 'happy' to go into 2013 with Gilbert & Adams as the starters, and ride along with the growing pains. this is a young unit, and potentially a strong one.

hawaiiansteel
01-08-2013, 11:39 PM
this is good stuff Chadman, thanks! :Cheers

Chadman
01-09-2013, 02:38 AM
2012 SEASON REVIEW- DEFENSIVE LINE

The DL is one area that has received a bit of critisism this season, despite the Steelers lofty NFL Defensive ranking of "Number 1". We must keep in mind that this is a unit that suffered no change for so many years- in fact, the DL only suffered it's first significant change under Tomlin's rule last season when Aaron Smith & Chris Hoke moved on. Before that there has been little, or no change to the players going back to the Cowher-era. So to suffer a few growing pains is expected, as well as still having to deal with the transitioning out of the remaining older players as they become less effective. All in all, it was a commendable season by the DL, but that does not mean it doesn't need to improve- it does, and quickly.

DE BRETT KEISEL: (Under Contract)
16 games started, 26 tackles 20 assists, 4.5 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 1 FR, 1 PD, 0 TD's

Keisel is getting older, but provided steady play once again to the DL. There was no significant downturn in his game, but at the same time, no significant improvement- which is to be expected for a guy who is 34 years old. His eventual replacement is already on the roster, but his play has not necessitated him being removed from the starting role. He'll be back next season most likely, but we might see him lose some snaps to Heyward over the course of the season.

DE ZIGGY HOOD: (Under Contract)
16 games started, 25 tackles 17 assists, 3 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 2 FR's, 3 PD's, 0 TD's.

Ziggy's first season as the designated starter, not Aaron Smith's fill-in, and produced a season similar to what Keisel gave us. There are some who want to see more from a former 1st round draft pick- but Chadman is not sure that is fair, as his role will never really give him the 'stats' to justify a 1st round selection. There were still occasions where Hood was being pushed around, and he'll need to continue to get better at leverage, but he's a solid starter on a DL that was, statistically, #1 this season- not a bad effort.

NT CASEY HAMPTON: (FA)
16 games started, 11 tackles 15 assists, 0 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 0 PD's, 0 TD's

Casey is starting to really show his age. Seemed to take him a long time to get into the season & early on was showing significant depreciation in his play. Things got a bit better as the season went on, but he is unlikely to be able to be counted on in the future, and he enters the off season as a FA. Chances are, we may have seen the last of Casey as a Steeler- we should remember him as that dominant bull he was in his prime, the perfect 3-4 NT.

DE CAMERON HEYWARD: (Under Contract)
0 games started, 13 tackles 7 assists, 1.5 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 0 PD's, 0 TD's

Heyward will be Keisel's eventual sucessor, but right now he isn't a force on the DL. He needs a good off season & then come in & be part of a DE rotation. Physically, he should be the prototype 3-4 DE, and his college career suggests he's a guy that can be disruptive. The Steelers will need him to step it up next season in order to take this defense from 'good' to 'great'.

NT STEVE MCLENDON: (RFA)
0 games started, 4 tackles 3 assists, 2 sacks, 0 INT's, 1 FF 0 FR's, 0 PD's, 0 TD's.

McLendon is being counted on to be the next Steeler NT. He has shown some glimpses of being a player, but they are not frequent enough to go into next season feeling super confident if he is the starter. Needs to be stronger against the run to man the middle of the 3-4. He might be more the situational guy than a true starter, but he'll be back- of that, Chadman is sure.

DE AL WOODS: (Under Contract)

Woods is a useful back-up that has been brought back a few times. Not great, not terrible, but cost effective.

NT ALEMEDA TA'AMU: (Under Contract)

This guy COULD be the future at NT. Has the physical tools to be the guy- but that court case coming up is the elephant in the room. Concerningly, his college career was never as dominant as it should have been for a guy his size.

NT HEBRON FANGUPO: (Under Contract)

Brought in very late & signed to a 4 year contract. Is that a sign? Older rookie (28 years old) that played good, at times, in college. Should, at the worst, push Ta'amu in camp.

Chadman
01-14-2013, 11:20 PM
2012 SEASON REVIEW- LINEBACKERS

The 'stars' of the Steelers show are the LB's- and the money trail leading to them proves the importance placed on them. There is no doubt that, collectivelly, this group did not live up to the wage bill in 2012. There are a numbers of factors that could be to blame- injury, age, poor DL play or they could simply be not as good as advertised. Whatever the reason, for the Steelers to be dominant on Defense- these guys will need to make an impact, as a whole, next season.

OLB JAMES HARRISON: (Under Contract)
13 games started, 49 tackles 21 assists, 6 sacks, 0 INT's, 2 FF's 0 FR's, 0 PD's, 0 TD's.

Missing games, and then having to find game speed to catch up to the rest of the team, put Harrison behind from the start. Most will agree that as the year went on, he became more effective- so his conditioning certainly played it's part. On the downside, at 35, injuries & the time it takes to get back from them, will increase. He isn't going to get better. And at some point, he'll have a production drop-off similar in the way Farrior dropped off, or Hampton last season. It'll be sooner than later. At $10m or thereabouts against the Cap- the Steelers need to work out if that is money well spent. He's a strong candidate for outright cutting, a pay cut, or a restructure- although a restructure will likely bite the organisation down the track.

OLB LAMARR WOODLEY: (Under Contract)
13 games started, 27 tackles 11 assists, 4 sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF 1 FR, 1 PD, 0 TD's.

Woodley missed the same amount of time as Harrison, and was equally slow getting back into game-shape. Worse, actually. Not enough tackles, not enough sacks for a guy that earns upward of $10m a year. He's a naturally large man, so losing a little weight & focussing on getting lighter & faster might suit. It might also help with his recurring hamstring injuries (although from memory- he was hit with them through college too). At his best, he's a very good pass rusher. The Steelers pay him to be at his best. Unlike Harrison, time is on Woodley's side at 28. A very strong candidate for a contract restructure.

ILB LAWRENCE TIMMONS: (Under Contract)
16 games started, 75 tackles 31 assists, 6 sacks, 3 INT's, 2 FF's 1 FR, 5 PD's, 1 TD.

Timmons went about giving the Steelers his best year in 2012. Was quietly excellent on an underperforming team & looks to be becoming all that he was drafted to be- an impact player on the inside. Still makes a few errors, particularly in the areas of over-chasing & finds himself behind guys too often. Would be interesting to see what he can produce once the NT situation is sorted out. Very well paid in around the $10m area, so he's paid to produce. Another strong candidate for a restructure.

ILB LARRY FOOTE: (FA)
16 games started, 75 tackles 38 assists, 4 sacks, 0 INT's, 2 FF's 2 FR's, 2 PD's, 0 TD's.

Even more quietly than Timmons- Foote also had a good year. If the Steelers got this sort of production inside at all times, the interior of the Defense would be very sound. Obviously Foote is an older player, and the Steelers might need to think about the direction at ILB even if they re-sign him. Adds some leadership to a young group. Steelers would be well served bringing him back another year to help transition a younger player into the starting role. As has been pointed out- Foote did have some trouble on occasion stopping RB's- clearly evidenced against the Raiders as McFadden drove him backwards (holding Foote's facemask, one must add).

OLB JASON WORILDS: (Under Contract)
3 games started, 18 tackles 4 assists, 5 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 2 PD's, 0 TD's.

Filled in a bit more this season than in the past due to injuries and wasn't terrible. 5 sacks says that he was relatively successful going after the QB. The transition from Harrison to Worilds may not be far away depending on Harrison's contract situation. Chadman is not as worried about Worilds playing as some. He looks halfway decent trying to get to the QB. If the DL can collapse the pocket better, if Woodley or Harrison can stay fit opposite him, then Worilds might surprise a few. Athletically, he tested very similarly to the Steelers most athletic LB- Lawrence Timmons- at the Combine.

OLB CHRIS CARTER: (Under Contract)
3 games started, 2 tackles 3 assists, 0 Sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 1 PD, 0 TD's.

Carter got some early gametime & did nothing to prove he's ready for a higher role. No significant impact on the field. He could be pushed in TC if the Steelers look towards a new OLB in the Draft.

OLB ADRIAN ROBINSON: (Under Contract)

Looked decent in TC & could, if he improves on that, push Chris Carter next off-season.

ILB BRANDON JOHNSON: (FA)

If Foote leaves, and the Steelers feel they need a vet for insurance, do not be surprised if Johnson is brought back.

ILB STEVENSON SYLVESTER: (Under Contract)

Time is running out for Sylvester to make an impact. Pretty decent on ST's, but that opening at ILB will only last so long. Must have a strong TC.

ILB SEAN SPENCE: (Under Contract)

Looked very promising in what we saw, and his college career suggests that there are 'splash plays' in him. 3rd round pick last year means the team are invested in him to a degree- they'll want to see what they can get out of him. That injury was ugly..

ILB MARSHALL MCFADDEN: (Under Contract)

Was in TC last year & has been signed to come back this year. It could be that the team is not finished evaluating him yet, or that they gave him specific instructions on what is needed from him before cutting him loose. With questions on most ILB's on the roster- he's not out of the mix. Yet.

ILB BRIAN ROLLE: (Under Contract)

Signed recently. He'll be given a shot to make the squad, and you never know. Had some playing time at the Eagles & wasn't horrendous. Only young, so with some luck, he might make TC interesting.

OLB KION WILSON: (Under Contract)

Signed recently, and like Rolle, will have an opportunity in TC. Perhaps a longer shot than Rolle, but if he needs inspiration on what it takes to make the roster, he'd be well served following Adrian Robinson around.

There is a lot of uncertainty at LB this season, particularly in regards to ILB depth. Plenty of young guys coming to camp to compete, but this might not stop the Steelers from looking at the Draft for another option both inside or outside.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-14-2013, 11:28 PM
Really nice breakdown Chadman. Very good insight into our front 7.

Chadman
01-15-2013, 01:00 AM
2012 SEASON REVIEW- DEFENSIVE BACKS

Not enough Turnovers. That is what you think when you think of Steelers DB's. And fair enough- there isn't enough. This is not, despite having one of the most dynamic footballers in the game, a "Big Play" unit. It is, however, a solid unit- and potentially on the improve. There were some very promising signs in 2012, as well as a couple of alarm bells.

SS TROY POLAMALU: (Under Contract)
7 games started, 29 tackles 5 assists, 1 sack, 1 INT, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 3 PD's, 0 TD's.

Simply the best player on the Steelers Defense. When fit. Those 2 words are used more & more in conjunction with Troy Polamalu. Always seems to have some kind of injury niggle, and is now on the wrong side of 30. There is still some football left in Troy, but we need to see 13+ games out of him a season at least. Losing such a vital member of the team can prove season-destroying. Costing nearly $10m against the cap, he 'might' be a chance at a restructure- or a salary reduction.

FS RYAN CLARK: (Under Contract)
15 games started, 74 tackles 28 assists, 0 sacks, 2 INT's, 2 FF's 1 FR, 7 PD's, 0 TD's.

Clark would have claims, along with Timmons, for the Defensive MVP for the Steelers in 2012. He was stellar, playing both the pass & run well. He's not a 'great' pass defender, but he's savvy. He found himself around the ball alot in 2012. His tackle numbers are possibly a little higher than you want to see- most likely contributed to failings on the DL. If the DL improves, which improves the LB's- then Clark might not have to be called on as a run defender quite as often in 2013. Probably what we'd consider our onfield general. Very aggressive & sets the tone. However... 34 years old & $4.5m against the cap is starting to look burdensome. Another 'might' get a restructure, but age might dictate that it doesn't happen.

CB IKE TAYLOR: (Under Contract)
12 games started, 25 tackles 7 assists, 1 INT, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 13 PD's, 0 TD's.

Almost unbelievably- Ike missed gametime in 2012. When he did play, he was once again very sound, if not spectacular. There were a couple of concerning signs in 2012- particularly the P.I. calls on him early as faster WR's were getting past him- Santonio Holmes was giving him fits. Couple that with what happened in Denver the previous season (nobody say Tebow) & we might just be seeing the decline of Ike- which is understandable of a 33 year old CB. It's not talked about much- but if there was a surprise roster cut- it could be Ike & his large salary. In fact, it might even be the 'right time' to make that call, based on younger players on this roster.

CB KEENAN LEWIS: (FA)
16 games started, 54 tackles 15 assists, 0 INT's, 1 FF 0 FR's, 23 PD's, 0 TD's.

Lewis had his breakout season in 2012, and along with Timmons & Clark, he could argue he was the Steelers best Defensive player. Unlike previous seasons Lewis never looked flustered or out of place. He made plays on the ball (23 PD's) without ever creating a genuine 'splash play' (0 Ints). He looked.... like Ike looks. Solid. He's an UFA, and quite honestly- will command some genuine money. He has said he wants to return to Pittsburgh, he fits the system, he's an up-and-coming player. There's a lot to like about Lewis.

CB CORTEZ ALLEN: (Under Contract)
3 games started, 38 tackles 9 assists, 2 INT's, 3 FF's 1 FR, 10 PD's, 0 TD's.

Almost quietly, Allen developed into an NFL CB along with Lewis in 2012. On top of that- he displayed something most Steelers CB's haven't displayed- the ability to create turnovers. The Steelers are very good at identifying players that need contract extensions before they hit the FA market. Allen could very well be one of those. His rapid development, coupled with Lewis and his success in 2012, might make Ike Taylor expendable. This guy looks the goods.

CB CURTIS BROWN: (Under Contract)
0 games started, 9 tackles 1 assist, 0 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 2 PD's, 0 TD's.

Considering Brown & Allen were drafted at the same time, their development could not be more chalk and cheese. Brown is nearly a non-entity at this point & could be replaced by younger players. Needs to have a big TC. Pretty good on ST's, however.

CB JOSH VICTORIAN: (Under Contract)
1 game started, 9 tackles 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 0 FR's, 2 PD's, 0 TD's.

Was signed during the season & worked his way onto the field. Ok- this guy is not going to be a starter. But he might add value as a 4th CB. Showed some pluck, but was beaten too often when on the field. A work in progress.

SS WILL ALLEN: (FA)
7 games started, 16 tackles 15 assists, 0 sacks, 0 INT's, 1 FF 0 FR's, 3 PD's, 0 TD's

Allen stepped in at SS after Troy went down & Mundy stunk it all up. He provided solid play, and the Defense performed pretty well when he played. He's never going to threaten as a long term option, however, and the Steelers might need to look to move on. He's a FA, but unlikely to be overly popular & could be brought back if needed.

FS RYAN MUNDY: (FA)
3 games started, 20 tackles 4 assists, 0 sacks, 0 INT's, 0 FF's 1 FR, 2 PD's, 0 TD's.

Ryan Mundy has never become a genuine option for the Steelers at either SS or FS & enters 2013 as a FA. Chadman thinks it very unlikely, after seeing him replaced by Will Allen, that he'll return to the Steelers.

CB DEMARCUS VAN DYKE: (ERFA)

The Steelers snared Van Dyke early in the season. Very athletic & fast, played ok on ST's. Will be back in TC & has a chance to show what he can do. Not the worst hope.

CB ISAIAH GREEN: (Under Contract)

Will come into TC to complete for that last CB spot.

FS DAMON CROMARTIE-SMITH: (Under Contract)

Like Marshall McFadden (ILB), was in TC last season & cut late. Now brought back for another TC. Obviously the FO sees something there. Might get a long look at replacing Mundy.

FS ROBERT GOLDEN: (Under Contract)

Was brought in during TC & looked reasonably decent. Like Cropmartie-Smith, he'll get a genuine shot at making the roster.

CB JUSTIN KING: (FA)

Absolutely no hope of coming back. Trust Chadman on this.

There is a lot to like about the Steelers CB's- Lewis, Allen & Victorian are a solid group, and youngsters Van Dyke & Brown are not hopeless. Added to that is the vet in Ike Taylor, and you can see that this group could be very good. Of course, if Lewis leaves- things start to look less rosey. There might be a draft addition at CB, depending on the roster moves leading up to Draft day.

Safety, however, is starting to look a little shakey. Troy & Clark are obviously good, but getting old. Allen & Mundy are not the answer & are likely gone. They can't rely on Cromartie-Smith & Golden being the future. At least 1 young Safety could/should/will be added, and potentially a high round draft pick at that. Maybe 2 Safeties.

Chadman
01-15-2013, 01:13 AM
2012 SEASON REVIEW- SPECIAL TEAMS

We now get to move on to the non-footballing componant of the season... :)

PK SHAUN SUISHAM: (Under Contract)
28 FG 31 Attempts (90.3%), 34 XTRA PT's 34 Attempts (100%)

Hard to be critical on Suisham in 2012. He went from team goat to solid contributor & will be back in 2013.

P DREW BUTLER: (Under Contract)
77 Punts 3,374 Yards (43.8 YPK)

The rookie was up & down & might be expected to be challenged in TC. that said- he wasn't dreaful, and doesn't cost the house.

LS GREG WARREN: (FA)

Solid LS, but has been overpaid in the past. Will likely come back because what is the market for a LS anyway?


Not the worst group the Steelers have ever put on the field. The real issues are in kick coverage & the return game. More impact will be needed in those areas.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-15-2013, 11:57 AM
Good read Chadman. A few things that I would say here.


He is, at his best, the most talented RB on the roster & he has several years of results on his resume to back that up.

This bothers me. If we have a roster full of running backs, and RM is the best, then we need to improve drastically. IMO he is at best in the 15-20 range of NFL backs and OL issues aside, he is not good enough.


Willie shifted to LG (at last!) and looked pretty good there.

I would break down his contributions a bit further. Colon looked very strong as a run blocker when he wasn't getting flagged. He was not great in pass pro, and draws too many drive killing penalties. Obviously, we must understand that he is playing a new position, but these are the same traits that he has always had. Add his propensity to get injured for long periods of time and I can see Colon as a June 1 cut.


Maurkice is easily the best OL player on the roster.

I'm certainly no OL expert, but I just don't understand this. Even the rushing numbers bear out that we run weakest up the middle, and that is primarily using big backs with little outside speed. Maybe it is just me, and flame away, but I think that Pouncey is the most overrated player on the Steelers roster - by both Steeler fans and outsiders. I don't see the pro bowler in him, and would hold Starks' performance the last couple of years over his in an instant.

Chadman
01-16-2013, 12:44 AM
Good read Chadman. A few things that I would say here.



This bothers me. If we have a roster full of running backs, and RM is the best, then we need to improve drastically. IMO he is at best in the 15-20 range of NFL backs and OL issues aside, he is not good enough.



I would break down his contributions a bit further. Colon looked very strong as a run blocker when he wasn't getting flagged. He was not great in pass pro, and draws too many drive killing penalties. Obviously, we must understand that he is playing a new position, but these are the same traits that he has always had. Add his propensity to get injured for long periods of time and I can see Colon as a June 1 cut.



I'm certainly no OL expert, but I just don't understand this. Even the rushing numbers bear out that we run weakest up the middle, and that is primarily using big backs with little outside speed. Maybe it is just me, and flame away, but I think that Pouncey is the most overrated player on the Steelers roster - by both Steeler fans and outsiders. I don't see the pro bowler in him, and would hold Starks' performance the last couple of years over his in an instant.

Can't disagree with much of what you said. Yes, the running game needs to improve. How much of that is on the RB's & how much is on the OL is open to discussion- probably close to a 50-50 split as to who needs to up their game most. Mendenhall will be moving on, so regardless of whether you like or dislike Mendy, he won't be our concern next season. Neither will Rainey, it turns out. Chadman thinks the Steelers will give Dwyer & Redman alot of carries next season, but look for a change of pace, 3rd down type RB to be added somewhere. Not sure they'll necessarily draft a RB high though.

Colon has always been a much better run blocker than pass blocker. And agreed, he still gives too many penalties. Couple that with his injuries & his cap cost... there are reason's he's a potential cap cut. That said, as far as dominating at the LOS, he's the best Steeler for that. Is it enough?

Pouncey needs to up his game, particularly the physicality of his game. It's not like he's a rookie anymore. The whole OL needs to get nastier- including Pouncey.

The running game stats could be a little decieving- while the average is significantly lower, the amount runs between the tackles is much higher than the runs outside the tackles, which could skew the figures slightly. That said- the running game needs to get better between the tackles, no doubt about it.

Chadman
01-16-2013, 01:39 AM
2013 SALARY CAP SITUATION

Let's now start looking at a few of the issues the Steelers face this offseason. Obviously the first one to tackle will be the Salary Cap. Reports now say that the Cap 'should' sit at $121m.

Currently the Steelers have 37 players on contract for next season with a Cap cost of $129m, roughly $8m over the cap. On top of this, there is close to $450k worth of 'dead money' to account for.

The Steelers have 5 RFA's & 2 ERFA's, and it's safe to assume all 7 will get tendered offers. According to a 'site that cannot be named', the total of these offers, if we give simply the 'low' offers is at $7.75m.

So, if we tender only at the lowest level, the Steelers will have 42 players on the books & be roughly $16m over the cap.

Sounds bad, huh?

That's not even contemplating FA's..


How will the Steelers sort this out?

Slapstick
01-16-2013, 04:14 PM
2012 SEASON REVIEW- DEFENSIVE BACKS

CB JUSTIN KING: (FA)

Absolutely no hope of coming back. Trust Chadman on this.



Time to change the (F/A) to (Under Contract):

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/colbert-steelers-roster-could-undergo-big-changes-670606/


In other news, the Steelers did sign one of their own free agents. Cornerback Justin King of Monroeville, Gateway High School and Penn State, signed a contract for his veteran minimum.

Chadman
01-16-2013, 06:00 PM
Time to change the (F/A) to (Under Contract):

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/colbert-steelers-roster-could-undergo-big-changes-670606/

Then again- don't trust Chadman on this one! :D

lloydroid
01-16-2013, 06:43 PM
Is this entire thread you talking to yourself? Must be an Australian thing.

pfelix73
01-16-2013, 06:59 PM
You're an ars... and a noob... So, you don't understand what he's doing.... And apparently, too rude to appreciate what all he does for us.....

NW Steeler
01-16-2013, 07:10 PM
Wow, ripping on the Chadman now. Bad move.

Eddie Spaghetti
01-16-2013, 07:12 PM
Wow, ripping on the Chadman now. Bad move.long past pathetic at this point.

lloydroid
01-16-2013, 07:33 PM
Wow, ripping on the Chadman now. Bad move.

Oh no! Not that! I made an accurate observation: this thread is him talking to himself. Is it not? Don't kill the messenger just because you don't like his accurate message. By the way, I did no ad hominem attacks whatsoever, even though he cannot say the same. Do you indulge in hypocrisy?

lloydroid
01-16-2013, 07:35 PM
long past pathetic at this point.

LOL. Well, Eddie, I see your nose has been smacked enough that you no longer are resorting to your ad hominem attacks, which is an upgrade and complies with board rules. Kudos for that.

lloydroid
01-16-2013, 07:39 PM
You're an ars... and a noob...

You have broken board rules. Name calling is not acceptable in accordance to board rules. Ad hominem attacks are not permitted here. You can fully expect a warning from the mods due to your non-compliance.



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NW Steeler
01-16-2013, 07:53 PM
Dude, give it a rest. Seriously.

Chadman
01-16-2013, 11:31 PM
While the Salary Cap situation looks grim at this point, the Steelers are not without their options before FA hits.

The first aim will be to lose the roughly $16 million they are projected to be over the cap. This can actually be achieved by relatively few moves-

1. Restructure LaMarr Woodley & Lawrence Timmons, again. Woodley's base salary in 2013 will be $9m with $4.24m in bonus payments, to add up to the Cap total of $13.24m. If the Steelers convert most of his 2013 salary into bonus payments (like they did last year) his cap total drops from $13.24m to $7.24m, saving $6m in the process. It will mean his bonus payments rise about $2m a season- which will catch up eventually, however. Timmons is roughly the same- his cap hit is at $11.16m, but by converting his salary to bonus his new cap total becomes $8.16m- saving $3m. That's $9 saved in 2 players.

2. Restructure Ben Roethlisberger- Base salary in 2013 is $11.6m with a bonus of $8.995m for a cap hit of $20.595m. If the Steelers convert his base salary to, say, $1.1m & move the rest of his money into bonus payments ($12.495m in 2013) his cap hit drops from $20.595m to $13.595m- saving $7m against the cap.

Those 3 moves creates the space under the cap that the NFL demands prior to the start of FA. To then create enough space to sign their own FA's, or other team's FA's, they'll need to be a little more creative. Remember that after all the RFA's & ERFA's are tendered, that'll add another $7.75m to the cap number (and adding 7 players to the roster taking the Steelers to 42, from memory).

To get the space to add the RFA's & ERFA's, the Steelers could:

1. Restructure Willie Colon- Base salary of $5.5m & bonus of $2.15m for a cap hit of $7.65m. Convert salary to bonus & his cap number drops to $4.65m, saving $3m.

2. Restrusture Troy Polamalu- Base salary of $7.5m & bonus of $2.887m for a cap total of $10.387m. Convert the salary to bonus & the cap hit drops to $7.187m- saving $3.2m.

This will leave the Steelers roughly $1.5m over the cap. This is where it starts getting tricky.

The 'big money' players left on the roster at this point will be James Harrison ($10.035m cap hit), Heath Miller ($7.958m cap hit), Ike Taylor ($9.454m cap hit), Antonio Brown ($6.2m cap hit- looks good value now, huh? :) ) & Ryan Clark ($4.75m cap hit).

Other guys that might not be good 'cap value' include Jericho Cotchery ($1.5m cap hit), Shaun Suisham ($1.762m cap hit) & Brett Keisel ($4.5m cap hit).

To get from $1.5m over the cap, to a position where the Steelers can make a serious attempt at signing any of their own FA's (How much will Keenan Lewis cost? Can the Steelers even go close to having the cap space??) they'll have to make some 'serious' decisions on some popular players.

Cutting James Harrison will save roughly $5m. Cutting Taylor saves around $6m. Cutting Brett Keisel would save $2.85m.

It might be that the Steelers NEED to restructure Brown already- converting his (approx) $4m salary to about $1, and saving a further $3m.

The Steelers could look to actually extend Heath Miller. Miller is 31, and realistically has probably 3 years of effective play left in him. To scrap his $7.985m contract & get him on a more cap friendly... say, $4-$5m cap hit could save the Steelers some necessary cap space.

Just looking at the figures... if the Steelers seriously want to retain Lewis & Starks, and even Foster...they'll have to be very serious in their cap reduction moves. Some genuine talent might have to be sacrificed in order for the team to remain competitive.

The development of guys like Worilds, Cortez Allen, Mike Adams & Marcus Gilbert, Ziggy Hood & Cam Heyward will go a very long way to determining the success of the Steelers in 2013- these guys could have very significant roles.

Slapstick
01-17-2013, 09:00 AM
Is this entire thread you talking to yourself? Must be an Australian thing.

And yet, I am more likely to enjoy an entire thread of Chadman talking to himself than any single one of your posts...:cool:

Shawn
01-17-2013, 10:20 AM
Wow, ripping on the Chadman now. Bad move.

Ripping on tChadman is like disrespecting your dad. You are only going to get your a$% whooped. :)

Chadman
01-17-2013, 06:09 PM
Hey All. Just going to say this once & be done with it. I enjoy putting some effort into what I put in this thread. I like the figures, stats, discussion, theory etc. Trying to guess at what the Steelers will 'do next' by using history as a guide is something I find interesting.

I'm not going to respond to... posters who try to derail the thread. I don't want this thread to degenerate into a pi$$ing match. In fact, I'm going to do something I don't think I've ever done- I'm going to put...a poster.. on ignore. (Done it). So for me, that poster's comments no longer exist. I won't be responding to that poster.

I'm not going to suggest anyone else do that- but now, this thread, when I go back to it, simply glides over that posters ramblings & I never have to see them. It's like they are no longer there.

The result is, I can now go back to concentrating on getting this thread chugging along.

Thanks for the support though, guys.

papillon
01-17-2013, 08:22 PM
Hey All. Just going to say this once & be done with it. I enjoy putting some effort into what I put in this thread. I like the figures, stats, discussion, theory etc. Trying to guess at what the Steelers will 'do next' by using history as a guide is something I find interesting.

I'm not going to respond to... posters who try to derail the thread. I don't want this thread to degenerate into a pi$$ing match. In fact, I'm going to do something I don't think I've ever done- I'm going to put...a poster.. on ignore. (Done it). So for me, that poster's comments no longer exist. I won't be responding to that poster.

I'm not going to suggest anyone else do that- but now, this thread, when I go back to it, simply glides over that posters ramblings & I never have to see them. It's like they are no longer there.

The result is, I can now go back to concentrating on getting this thread chugging along.

Thanks for the support though, guys.

Most of us enjoy when you carry on a conversation with yourself, it saves us the ignominy of being wrong. :p

Pappy

Chadman
01-17-2013, 08:43 PM
Most of us enjoy when you carry on a conversation with yourself, it saves us the ignominy of being wrong. :p

Pappy

:D Chadman happily will be both right & wrong at any given moment, to take the pressure off you lot.

BigRob
01-17-2013, 09:27 PM
You have broken board rules. Name calling is not acceptable in accordance to board rules. Ad hominem attacks are not permitted here. You can fully expect a warning from the mods due to your non-compliance.

It's almost like "Ad Hominem" is the only word you know. I for one am in agreement with pfelix73.....and the rest of the board......and society.

Chadman
01-18-2013, 12:19 AM
Next thing we'll do is look at some of the Steelers Free Agents, and what we might expect as far as contract offers coming to them.

Firstly, given that the Salary Cap will experience no significant increase, it is safe to suggest that contract values will not rise dramatically in 2013. Roughly what the #1 CB on the market last year should equate to what the #1 CB on the market this year gets.

Secondly, the Steelers are in no position to sign their FA's before FA begins. This means that each player entering UFA will likely find the value of their services dictated from outside the organisation- or 'market forces'. Praying for 'hometown discounts' might be pie in the sky.

Chadman will use the Walter Football "star ratings" to give a rough estimation, based on last season, on what our FA's might expect to recieve on the market:


CB Keenan Lewis (27yo)- At 27 years old, he's going to be a valued commodity. Walters gives Lewis 4 stars. Last season, both Brandon Carr (26yo) & Cortland Finnegan (28yo) were 4 star CB's. Both recieved 5 year $50m contracts. Lewis could realistically expect something in & around that figure.

Chadman estimate- 5 year, $50-$55m

WR Mike Wallace (27yo)- The 2 players we can use as a guide for Wallace are probably Desean Jackson & Laurent Robinson. If this was last season, the value of Jackson's contract would likely have been a touch lower than Wallace, but given events of 2012, we'll assume that Jackson is the highest contract area for Wallace, while Robinson the lowest point- based on age & productivity. Robinson signed a 5 year $32.5m contract for a guy that has a significantly thinner portfolio than Wallace, while Jackson signed a 5 year $51m contract. This is more likely the area Wallace will be looking.

Chadman estimate- 5 year $45-$55m

Ramon Foster (27yo)- The best examples for comparison to Foster might be Mike Brisiel who signed with the Raiders & Evan Mathis who re-signed with the Eagles. Both are slightly older than Foster is, so it might be safe to assume he'll be on the higher side of the comparison. Brisiel (who is inferior to Foster) signed a 5 year $20m contract to change teams, Mathis recieved a 5 year $25m to stay put. Expect Foster to get around that mark to switch teams.

Chadman estimate- 5 year $25m

Rashard Mendenhall (26yo)- Mendenhall is a funny one because injury might severely effect his contract numbers. The comparison players from last year will be Seattle's Marshawn Lynch & Chicago's Michael Bush. Lynch (superior to Mendy) got 4 years $32m, while Bush was signed with 4 years $14m. Mendenhall is likely more in the Bush range at this point. That said- he might be best served signing a short deal, proving himself, and looking for a bigger payday later.

Chadman estimate- 3 year $9m

Larry Foote (33yo)- Chadman's comparison for Foote is slightly different, in that the guys we'll compare Foote with are...less successful in FA, James Farrior & Keyaron Fox. Both struggled to garner much interest in FA, and Chadman expects Foote to be in a similar spot.

Chadman estimate- 1 year Vet Min

Max Starks (31yo)- Max will be compared to 2 OT's that sit younger than him in age- Breno Giacomini & Guy Whimper- both moderate level OT's that were marginal starting options for their teams. Giacomini got 2 years $6m while Whimper got 2 years $5m. Chadman believes Starks sit's slightly higher than both of these guys & will be valued accordingly. That said, there has been no real market for Max every year he has been a FA.

Chadman estimate- 3 years $8-$10m
That covers the main Steeler FA's. The rest should not generate that much FA interest- certainly not enough to cause the Steelers to scramble & sign them anyway.

Chances of keeping most of the FA's is very slim. Even if they WANT to keep Lewis, chances are the market will make this an enormous challenge. The Steelers might actually be better off targetting keeping Foote & Starks, given the cap situation.

Chadman
01-18-2013, 12:29 AM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: QB

Derek Anderson (Panthers)
Charlie Batch (Steelers)
Matt Blanchard (Bears) RESIGNED- BEARS
Jason Campbell (Bears)
David Carr (Giants)
Kellen Clemons (Rams)
BJ Coleman (Packers) RESIGNED- PACKERS
Chase Daniel (Saints)
Dennis Dixon (Ravens) SIGNED EAGLES
Joe Flacco (Ravens) RESIGNED- RAVENS
Bruce Gradkowski (Bengals)
Rex Grossman (Redskins)
Tarvaris Jackson (Bills) RESIGNED- BILLS
Mike Kafka (Eagles) SIGNED- PATRIOTS
G.J. Kinne (Jets) SIGNED- EAGLES
Byron Leftwich (Steelers)
Matt Leinart (Raiders)
Josh McCown (Bears)
Luke McCown (Falcons)
Matt Moore (Dolphins)
Curtis Painter (Ravens) SIGNED- GIANTS
Jordan Palmer (Jaguars)
Brady Quinn (Chiefs)
Drew Stanton (Colts)
Tyler Thigpen (Bills)
John Parker Wilson (Jaguars) SIGNED- STEELERS

Chadman
01-18-2013, 12:41 AM
2012 NFL FREE AGENTS: RB

Alvester Alexander (Titans)- SIGNED COLTS
Jackie Battle (Chargers)
Cedric Benson (Packers)
Ahmad Bradshaw (Giants) CUT
Ronnie Brown (Chargers)
Zachary Brown (Bills) RESIGNED- BILLS
Reggie Bush (Dolphins)
James Casey (Texans)
Shaun Chapas (Lions)
Tashard Choice (Bills)
Derrick Coleman (Seahawks) RESIGNED SEAHAWKS
Mike Cox (Falcons)
Jerome Felton (Vikings)
Justin Forsett (Texans)
Mike Goodson (Raiders)
Ryan Grant (Packers)
Shonn Green (Jets)
DuJuan Harris (Packers)
Jerome Harrison (Lions)
Lex Hilliard (Jets)
Peyton Hillis (Chiefs)
Brandon Jackson (Browns)
Steven Jackson (Rams)
Rashard Jennings (Jaguars)
Quinn Johnson (Titans)
Felix Jones (Cowboys)
Greg Jones (Jaguars)
Spencer Larson (Patriots) CUT
Brian Leonard (Bengals)
Stefan Logan (Lions)
Corey McIntyre (Bills)
Rashard Mendenhall (Steelers)
Lonyae Miller (Cowboys)- SIGNED RAVENS
Mewelde Moore (Colts)
Jalen Parmale (Jaguars)
Chris Rainey (Steelers)
Darius Reynaud (Titans)
Javon Ringer (Titans)
Bernard Scott (Bengals)
E. Alex Smith (Browns)
Kevin Smith (Lions)
LaRod Stephens-Howling (Cardinals)
Danny Woodhead (Patriots)

Chadman
01-18-2013, 12:54 AM
2012 NFL FREE AGENTS: WR

Danny Amendola (Rams)
Joe Anderson (Bears)
Emmanuel Arceneaux (Redskins) SIGNED JETS
Devin Aromashodu (Vikings)
Donnie Avery (Colts)
Ramses Barden (Giants)
Dwayne Bowe (Chiefs)
Deion Branch (Patriots)
Steve Breaston (Chiefs) CUT
Plaxico Burress (Steelers)
Austin Collie (Colts)
Joshua Cribbs (Browns)
Drew Davis (Falcons)
Donald Driver (Packers)
Julian Endelman (Patriots)
Brandon Gibson (Rams)
Mardy Gilyard (Jets) SIGNED CHIEFS
Ted Ginn Jnr (49ers)
Derek Hagan (Raiders)
Brian Hartline (Dolphins)
Devery Henderson (Saints)
Dominik Hixon (Giants)
Greg Jennings (Packers)
Johnny Knox (Bears) RETIRED
Ruvell Martin (Bills)
Mohamed Massaquoi (Browns)
Randy Moss (49ers)
Louis Murphy (Panthers)
Kevin Ogletree (Cowboys)
Kassim Osgood (Lions)
Roscoe Parrish (Buccaneers)
Chaz Schilens (Jets)
Jerome Simpson (Vikings)
Steve Smith (Rams)
Brandon Stokley (Broncos)
Sammie Stroughter (Buccaneers)
Brandon Tate (Bengals)
Tim Toone (Falcons)
Mike Wallace (Steelers)
Matt Willis (Broncos)
Titus Young (Lions)- Released - Claimed off Waivers- Rams - CUT RAMS

Chadman
01-18-2013, 01:54 AM
2012 NFL FREE AGENTS: TE

Billy Bajema (Ravens)
Josh Baker (Jets) CUT
Garry Barnidge (Panthers)
Travis Beckum (Giants)
Martellus Bennett (Giants)
Kevin Boss (Chiefs) CUT
Dallas Clark (Buccaneers)
Chase Coffman (Falcons)
Jared Cook (Titans)
Chris Cooley (Redskins)
Fred Davis (Redskins)
Anthony Fasano (Dolphins)
Tony Gonzales (Falcons)
Clark Harris (Bengals)
Ben Harstock (Panthers)
Will Heller (Lions)
Dustin Keller (Jets)
Cameron Morrah (Seahawks)
Brandon Myers (Raiders)
Jake O'Connell (Chiefs)
John Phillips (Cowboys)
Leonard Pope (Steelers)
Richard Quinn (Bengals)
Dante Rosario (Chargers)
Martin Rucker (Chiefs)
David Thomas (Saints) CUT
Delanie Walker (49ers)
Ben Watson (Browns)

SS Laser
01-18-2013, 02:08 AM
Thanks Chadman for another great thread. I appreciate the work that goes into this thread.

lloydroid
01-18-2013, 03:36 PM
Thanks Chadman for another great thread. I appreciate the work that goes into this thread.

Work? More like 20 years of hard labor in a fed pen. Heck, I run out of breath just trying to _READ_ it! It's more lengthy than the King James Bible.

Slapstick
01-18-2013, 03:50 PM
Work? More like 20 years of hard labor in a fed pen. Heck, I run out of breath just trying to _READ_ it! It's more lengthy than the King James Bible.

Sorry that you have so many problems with reading...

BigRob
01-18-2013, 03:58 PM
Work? More like 20 years of hard labor in a fed pen. Heck, I run out of breath just trying to _READ_ it! It's more lengthy than the King James Bible.

You are hereby banned for Ad Hominy attacks. Begone grits eater!

fordfixer
01-18-2013, 07:48 PM
Good stuff thanks chadman

Eddie Spaghetti
01-18-2013, 10:07 PM
eddie always looks forward to this chadman. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

RuthlessBurgher
01-19-2013, 12:28 AM
eddie always looks forward to this chadman. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

Ruthless applauds Eddie's use of the third person when responding to Chadman.

lloydroid
01-19-2013, 03:35 PM
You are hereby banned for Ad Hominy attacks. Begone grits eater!

I ain't the one with the giant gut.

hawaiiansteel
01-19-2013, 03:43 PM
Ruthless applauds Eddie's use of the third person when responding to Chadman.

Hawaiiansteel agrees with Ruthless' applauding Eddie's use of the third person when responding to Chadman.

fordfixer
01-19-2013, 03:51 PM
Work? More like 20 years of hard labor in a fed pen. Heck, I run out of breath just trying to _READ_ it! It's more lengthy than the King James Bible.
So you are so out of shape that you ran out of breath - reading - but you rag on Tomlin for putting on some weight:p

Chadman
01-20-2013, 07:39 PM
Hawaiiansteel agrees with Ruthless' applauding Eddie's use of the third person when responding to Chadman.

Chadman appreciates Hawaiiansteel agreeing with Ruthless in applauding Eddie's use of 3rd person when responding to Chadman... full circle?

Chadman
01-20-2013, 10:15 PM
Now, to get back on track after the mutual back-patting society break in play..

Chadman
01-20-2013, 10:45 PM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: OL

OT Brandon Albert (Chiefs)
OT Sam Baker (Falcons)
OG Allen Barbre (Seahawks) SIGNED EAGLES
OT Khalif Barnes (Raiders)
OT D'Anthony Batiste (Cardinals)
OT William Beatty (Giants) RESIGNED GIANTS
OT Demetress Bell (Eagles) CUT
OC Joe Berger (Vikings)
OT Jordan Black (Redskins)
OT Kevin Boothe (Giants)
OT Eben Britton (Jaguars)
OT Jamon Bushrod (Saints)
OT Rashad Butler (Texans)
OG Antoine Caldwell (Texans)
OG Cooper Carlisle (Raiders)
OT Gosder Cherilus (Lions)
OT Ryan Clady (Broncos)
OT Ryan Considine (Ravens)
OG CJ Davis (Broncos)
OT Leonard Davis (49ers)
OG Kyle DeVan (Titans)
OG Derrick Dockery (Cowboys)
OG Brandyn Dombrowski (Chargers)
OC Jon Dorenbos (Eagles)
OT Demar Dotson (Buccaneers)
OT King Dunlap (Eagles)
OC Andrew Economos (Buccaneers)
OG Ramon Foster (Steelers)
OC Dylan Gandy (Lions)
OG Nate Gardner (Dolphins)
OG Tyrone Green (Chargers)
OG Rex Hadnot (Chargers)
OG Leroy Harris (Titans)
OT Ryan Harris (Texans)
OT Corey Hilliard (Lions)
OT Tony Hills (Colts)
OT Kyle Hix (Patriots) CUT
OG Russ Hochstein (Chiefs)
OT Winston Justice (Colts)
OC Dan Koppen (Broncos)
OC Doug Legursky (Steelers)
OG Andy Levitre (Bills)
OG Kory Leichtensteiger (Redskins)
OT Phil Loadholt (Vikings)
OT Sean Locklear (Giants)
OT Jake Long (Dolphins)
OG Lance Louis (Bears)
OG Deuce Lutui (Titans)
OC Todd McClure (Falcons)
OT Bryant McKinnie (Ravens)
OT Pat McQuistan (Cardinals)
OC Brad Meester (Jaguars)
OG Brandon Moore (Jets)
OC Don Muhlbach (Lions)
OG Richard Ohrnberger (Cardinals)
OG Eric Olsen (Saints)
OT Frank Omiyale (Seahawks)
OG Stephen Peterman (Lions) CUT
OC Mike Pollack (Panthers)
OT Tyler Polumbus (Redskins)
OG Chilo Rachal (Bears)
OG Garrett Reynolds (Falcons)
OG Jamey Richard (Patriots)
OT Barry Richardson (Rams)
OG Chad Rinehart (Bills)
OT Dennis Roland (Bengals)
OT Geoffrey Schwartz (Vikings)
OT Jonathon Scott (Bears)
OG Jarrod Shaw (Browns)
OG Matt Slauson (Jets)
OT Andre Smith (Bengals)
OT Jason Smith (Jets) CUT
OG Chris Spencer (Bears)
OT Max Starks (Steelers)
OG Reggie Stephens (Bills)- SIGNED RAVENS
OT Will Svitek (Falcons)
OG Donald Thomas (Patriots)
OT Jeremy Trueblood (Buccaneers)
OT Robert Turner (Rams)
OG Steve Vallos (Jaguars)
OG Louis Vasquez (Chargers)
OC Fernando Velasco (Titans)
OT Sebastian Vollmer (Patriots)
OG Brian Waters (Patriots)
OT Guy Whimper (Jaguars) CUT
OG Chris Williams (Rams)

Chadman
01-21-2013, 10:56 PM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: DL

DE Cliff Avril (Lions)
DE Dave Ball (Titans)
DE Kentwan Balmer (Redskins)
DE Justin Bannan (Broncos)
DE Michael Bennett (Buccaneers)
NT Ron Brace (Patriots) SIGNED REDSKINS
DT Alan Branch (Seahawks)
DE Desmond Bryant (Raiders)
DT Chris Canty (Giants) CUT
DE Andre Carter (Raiders)
DT Shaun Cody (Texans)
DE Kenyon Coleman (Cowboys)
DE Keyunta Dawson (Titans)
DE Mike DeVito (Jets)
DE Glenn Dorsey (Chiefs)
DE Legar Douzable (Titans)
DE Nick Eason (Cardinals)
DT Dwan Edwards (Panthers)
DT Ron Edwards (Panthers) CUT
DT Sedrick Ellis (Saints)
DT Andre Fluellen (Lions)
NT Aubrayo Franklin (Chargers)
DE Robert Geathers (Bengals)
DE Wallace Gilberry (Bengals)
DT Kedric Golston (Redskins)
NT Casey Hampton (Steelers)
DE William Hayes (Rams)
NT Sammie Hill (Lions)
DE Vonnie Holliday (Cardinals)
DE Jason Hunter (Broncos)
DE Isreal Idonije (Bears)
DE Lawrence Jackson (Lions)
DE Cullen Jenkins (Eagles) CUT
DT Ricky-Jean Francois (49ers)
DT Antonio Johnson (Colts)
DE Michael Johnson (Bengals)
DT Spencer Johnson (Bills)
DE Jason Jones (Seattle)
NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu (Ravens)
NT Terrence Knighton (Jaguars)
DE LP Ladouceur (Cowboys)
DT Derek Landri (Eagles)
DT Trevor Laws (Rams)
DE Vaughn Martin (Chargers)
DE Ryan McBean (Ravens)
DE Turk McBride (Saints)
DT Tony McDaniel (Dolphins)
DT Henry Melton (Bears) RESIGNED BEARS
DE Shawn Merriman (Bills)
DT Roy Miller (Buccaneers)
DT Fili Moala (Colts)
DE Kyle Moore (Bills)
DE Jesse Nading (Texans)
DT Amobe Okoye (Bears)
DE Jaqua Parker (Browns)
DE Martin Parker (Giants) CUT
DT Mike Patterson (Eagles) CUT
NT Shaun Rogers (Giants) RESIGNED GIANTS
DE Frostee Rucker (Browns)- Released
DE Brian Schaefering (Cowboys)
DE Trevor Scott (Patriots)
DE Richard Seymour (Raiders)
DE Matt Shaughnessy (Raiders)
DE Lawrence Sidbury (Falcons)
DT Sealver Siliga (Broncos)
DT Pat Sims (Bengals)
NT Shaun Smith (Chiefs)
NT Isaac Sopoaga (49ers)
DT Randy Starks (Dolphins)
DE Darryl Tapp (Eagles)
DE Osi Umenyiora (Giants)
DE Kyle Van Den Bosch (Lions) CUT
DT Vance Walker (Falcons)
DT Ty Warren (Broncos)
DT Corey Williams (Lions)
DT Kevin Williams (Vikings)
DE Jarius Young (Titans)

Chadman
01-23-2013, 12:09 AM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: LB

Xavier Adibi (Titans)
Lorenzo Alexander (Redskins)
Antwan Applewhite (Panthers)
Antwan Barnes (Chargers)
Nick Barnett (Bills) CUT
Connor Barwin (Texans)
Chase Blackburn (Giants)
Michael Boley (Giants)- Released
Jasper Brinkley (Vikings)
Keith Brooking (Broncos)
Ricky Brown (Ravens)
Victor Butler (Cowboys)
Jonathan Casillas (Saints)
Zac Diles (Titans)
Tim Dobbins (Texans)
Justin Durant (Lions)
Dannell Ellerbie (Ravens)
Moise Fokou (Colts)
Larry Foote (Steelers)
Keyaron Fox (Texans)
Dwight Freeney (Colts)
Scott Fujita (Browns)
Omar Gaither (Raiders)
Tavares Gooden (49ers)
Larry Grant (49ers)
Quentin Groves (Cardinals)
Gary Guyton (Chargers)
Mario Haggan (Rams)
Clark Haggans (49ers)
Geno Hayes (Bears)
Erin Henderson (Vikings)
Leroy Hill (Seahawks)
Thomas Howard (Bengals)
Robert Jackson (Redskins)
Bradie James (Texans)
Brandon Johnson (Steelers)
Brad Jones (Packers)
Edgar Jones (Chiefs)
Akeem Jordan (Eagles)
Bryan Kehl (Chiefs)
Sergio Kindle (Ravens)
Niko Koutouvides (Patriots)
Paul Kruger (Ravens)
Manny Lawson (Bengals)
Paris Lenon (Cardinals)
DeAndre Levy (Lions)
Kaluka Maiava (Browns)
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Rocky McIntosh (Rams)
Gerald McRath (Titans)
Marvin Mitchell (Vikings)
Kirk Morrison (Bills)
Calvin Pace (Jets) CUT
Mike Peterson (Falcons)
Shaun Phillips (Chargers)
Brady Poppinga (Cowboys)
Keith Rivers (Giants)
Nick Roach (Bears)
Barrett Ruud (Texans)
Jordan Senn (Panthers)
Bart Scott (Jets) CUT
Scott Shanle (Saints)
Brandon Siler (Chiefs)
Ernie Sims (Cowboys)
Dan Skuta (Bengals)
Daryl Smith (Jaguars)
Anthony Spencer (Cowboys)
Bryan Thomas (Jets)
Brian Urlacher (Bears)
Erik Walden (Packers)
Jamal Westerman (Colts)
Phillip Wheeler (Raiders)
Tracy White (Patriots)
Leon Williams (Chiefs)
Chris Wilson (Redskins)
Will Witherspoon (Titans)

Chadman
01-23-2013, 12:53 AM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: DB

CB Michael Adams (Cardinals)
SS Will Allen (Steelers)
CB Will Allen (Patriots)
FS Alan Ball (Texans)
FS Ronde Barber (Buccaneers)
FS Josh Barrett (Patriots)
SS Yeremiah Bell (Jets)
CB E.J. Biggers (Buccaneers)
CB Zach Bowman (Bears)
FS Omar Brown (Ravens)
CB Sheldon Brown (Browns)
FS David Bruton (Broncos)
CB Darius Butler (Colts)
FS Jarius Byrd (Bills)
CB Chris Carr (Chargers)
CB Antoine Cason (Chargers)
SS Patrick Chung (Patriots)
CB Nate Clements (Bengals)
SS Chris Clemons (Dolphins)
CB Marquise Cole (Patriots)
SS Sean Considine (Ravens)
CB Derek Cox (Jaguars)
FS Chris Crocker (Bengals)
FS Tyrone Culver (Dolphins)
FS Craig Dahl (Rams)
CB Travis Daniels (Chiefs)
FS Louis Delmas (Lions)
SS Quintin Demps (Texans)
FS Abram Elam (Chiefs)
CB Bradley Fletcher (Rams)
CB Drayton Florence (Lions)
FS Eric Frampton (Cowboys)
CB Dominique Franks (Falcons)
FS Matt Giordiano (Raiders)
CB Cedric Griffin (Redskins)
CB Brent Grimes (Falcons)
CB Joselio Hanson (Raiders)
CB Kelvin Hayden (Bears)
SS Chris Hope (Falcons)
CB Chris Houston (Lions)
SS James Ihedigbo (Ravens)
FS Tanard Jackson (Redskins)
CB Quentin Jammer (Chargers)
CB Mike Jenkins (Cowboys)
CB Chris Johnson (Ravens)
FS Rashad Johnson (Cardinals)
CB Adam Jones (Bengals)
CB Brandon King (Jaguars) CUT
CB Jacob Lacey (Lions)
FS LaRon Landry (Jets)
CB Patrick Lee (Lions)
SS Jom Leonhard (Broncos)
CB Keenan Lewis (Steelers)
SS Corey Lynch (Chargers)
CB Elbert Mack (Saints)
FS Derrick Martin (Patriots)
SS Sherrod Martin (Panthers)
CB Rashean Mathis (Jaguars)
CB Brice McCain (Texans)
CB Terrence McGee (Bills) CUT
CB Leodis McKelvin (Bills)
CB William Middleton (Jaguars)
SS Michael Mitchell (Raiders)
CB Antwaun Molden (Jaguars)
CB D.J. Moore (Bears)
CB Sterling Moore (Cowboys)
SS William Moore (Falcons)
CB Ryan Mouton (Titans)
FS Ryan Mundy (Steelers)
CB Captain Munnerlyn (Panthers)
CB Terrence Newman (Bengals)
CB Christopher Owens (Falcons)
SS Charlie Peprah (Cowboys)
SS Kenny Phillips (Giants)
CB Tracy Porter (Broncos)
CB Jerraud Powers (Colts)
CB Glover Quin (Texans)
FS Ed Reed (Ravens)
FS Kerry Rhodes (Cardinals)
CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Eagles)
CB Stanford Routt (Texans)
SS Anderson Russell (Panthers)
FS James Sanders (Cardinals)
SS Jamarca Sanford (Vikings)
SS Bryan Scott (Bills)
CB Sean Smith (Dolphins)
CB Shawntae Spencer (Raiders)
CB Aqib Talib (Patriots)
CB Greg Toler (Cardinals)
CB Marcus Trufant (Seahawks)
CB Justin Tryon (Giants)
SS Ray Ventrone (Browns)
CB Cary Williams (Ravens)
SS Madieu Williams (Redskins)
FS George Wilson (Bills) CUT
CB Brian Witherspoon (Giants)
CB Charles Woodson (Packers) CUT

Chadman
01-23-2013, 12:56 AM
As players sign, Chadman will go back & fill in where each FA moves to, and will give you, the viewer, as current a list as possible of the players that remain available..

Chadman
01-23-2013, 02:07 AM
Next we'll look at those players that will be considered 'top notch' FA's- the best of the group, and most likely the biggest money-earners:

QB- Only 1 name stands out, and that is Joe Flacco of the Ravens. Chances are, the Ravens won't let him hit FA, but if he does, there could be a number of teams that might chase him. The best of the rest might be Matt Moore from the Dolphins... but pickings are slim in FA.

RB- Steven Jackson (Rams) & Reggie Bush (Dolphins) are probably the biggest names at RB. Not convinced Bush will command top dollar, but Jackson should be well courted. Behind them is a list of RB's that will provide servicable play, or perhaps greater- Chris Ivory (Saints), Rashard Mendenhall (Steelers) & Shonn Green (Jets). Danny Woodhead (Patriots) might get some interest as a 3rd down type (Chadman likes him as a potential rotation RB for the Steelers) & Mike Goodson & Felix Jones might also gather a bit of interest. One guy Chadman wouldn't 'hate' if brought in is Lions RB Kevin Smith, who is struck with the injury stick, but looked pretty good running & catching in limited opportunities.

WR- There's a list of guys that will probably become pretty rich here- Victor Cruz, Dwayne Bowe, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings & Wes Welker should all get significant pay through FA this season. Denario Alexander & Brian Hartline might garner some interest.

TE- There's plenty of quality at TE, without any star players (Unless Tony G comes back). Martellus Bennett, Dennis Pitta, Dustin Keller & Brandon Myers might all get some interest. Because they are similar in quality- they might actually bring the demand down on whoever is deemed top option- just through simple supply & demand laws. Jared Cook & Delanie Walker might get a bit of second-tier interest.

OT- There's going to be some money here- Jake Long, Sebastion Vollmer, Andre Smith, Ryan Clady, William Beatty & Phil Loadholt top the list- and all should command some good money. Just below these guys are Sam Baker, Brandon Albert & Sean Locklear. If a team is looking for an OT, there are plenty to choose from. This 'MIGHT' make it easier to re-sign Max Starks, or at the worst, find another FA to at least hold the back-up OT spot next season (Barry Richardson, Gosder Cherilous or Bryant McKinnie- for example). Wonder who might take a flier on Eben Britton?

OG- Plenty of value here, without any real stars. Andy Levitre & Louis Vasquez are probably the pick, but Ramon Foster, Kevin Boothe, Brandon Moore, Donald Thomas, Tyronne Green & Ryan Lilja are all good quality options. Chris Williams & Geoff Schwartz interest Chadman as Steelers options- both are G/T types who can help cover what is a constantly injured OL.

OC- Pickings are slim here, but Fernando Velasco might be the pick of the bunch.

DE- The top of this group is very talented- Anthony Spencer (DE or OLB), Michael Johnson, Michael Bennett & Cliff Avril will demand top money- and likely get it. Avril rejected a 3 year $30m contract mid-season, giving some indication where the market might sit for these guys. There's a whole bunch of older guys after them that might generate some interest, Dwight Freeney for example. One guy that might surprise with a bigger payday is Wallace Gilberry, who had 6.5 sacks with limited playing time. Not a lot here for the Steelers.... but if they let Harrison go, is it worth kicking the tyres of Shawne
Merriman... just to see?

DT- Henry Melton & Randy Starks might be the best 2 here. Not the greatest bunch of FA's of all time. Interesting to see a few 1st round 'busts' in this group- Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis, Amobi Okoye & Alan Branch. On a side note- if there was anyone in FA at NT Chadman would like to see brought in, Branch would be on the list. He's not what he was expected to be, but he's pretty solid against the run.

LB- Paul Kruger, Phil Wheeler, Daryl Smith, Brad Jones & Dannell Ellerbie will be the top rated LB's this off season. Not exactly the greatest collection of talent- but handy. Below these guys is players like Urlacher, Larry Grant, Connor Barwin, Thomas Howard, Manny Lawson & Justin Durant. Barwin might be interesting, if he can prove last year's 'down year' was a fluke. Some value options for the Steelers might include Victor Butler, Ernie Sims, Rey Maualuga, Brandon Siler or even Keyaron Fox.

CB- Unfortunately for the Steelers, Keenan Lewis is probably the top guy available. If he hits FA, he won't last past 2 days. Sean Smith, Leodis McKelvin, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Chris Houston, Aqib Talib & Tony Carter might be solid fall-back options, but none will get the interest Lewis will likely see. A couple of Vet Old-heads in Jammer & Terrence Newman might get some support. Antoine Cason & Mike Jenkins have never lived up to their draft rankings. One guy that might slip by due to injury last year is Brent Grimes.

FS/SS- Jarius Byrd might be the best FA available. Someone will pay him well. Deshon Goldson & Louis Delmas are very solid players, while Glover Quin, William Moore & Kenny Phillips are all young enough to draw a good contract. Ed Reed will be interesting if he hits FA. Chadman would not be against the idea of signing Patrick Chung to play the 3rd Safety role next season, and take over Ryan Clark's spot after next year.

supersteeler
01-23-2013, 06:54 AM
Chadman,
You put a lot of work into this, but I doubt the Steelers will be courting FA's or be aggressive in that option. The only FA I think the Steelers might possibly pursue is RB, but I'm thinking the Steelers will attempt to sign their own first.
Someone here mentioned Ivory, he could be a possibility as the draft appears to be loaded with situational RB's but not enough of feature backs outside of a few.
If we could get a feature back to carry most of the load, I think Dwyer might be on the outside looking in. Redman seemed to be more reliable getting that third and short first down at least when he was healthy. Something is wrong when a back asks to come out so much as Dwyer has done so I don't look for him to be here.
Ivory might be a good option for the Steelers, we'll see.

Chadman
01-25-2013, 06:50 AM
Chadman,
You put a lot of work into this, but I doubt the Steelers will be courting FA's or be aggressive in that option. The only FA I think the Steelers might possibly pursue is RB, but I'm thinking the Steelers will attempt to sign their own first.
Someone here mentioned Ivory, he could be a possibility as the draft appears to be loaded with situational RB's but not enough of feature backs outside of a few.
If we could get a feature back to carry most of the load, I think Dwyer might be on the outside looking in. Redman seemed to be more reliable getting that third and short first down at least when he was healthy. Something is wrong when a back asks to come out so much as Dwyer has done so I don't look for him to be here.
Ivory might be a good option for the Steelers, we'll see.

Given the Steelers financial position, you are probably right- chances are that FA for the most part will be an exercise in retaining their own more than grabbing players from other rosters..... which leads nicely into the next part of the analysis- the Steelers history in FA during the Colbert/Tomlin era..

Chadman
01-25-2013, 07:40 AM
Mike Tomlin was hired as Steelers HC in January 2007, to a team that was, by and large, pretty solid across the board. Given that the Steelers have never been big FA players, not much was expected during the FA period- and the Steelers didn't disappoint. The 'big' FA signing was Sean Mahan, brought in to be the starting OC. Now, Mahan's success, or lack of it, is well documented. But what is interesting is that the Steelers identified an area on the roster that needed upgrading, and the Steelers went about trying to fix it through FA. Anthony Madison & Andre Frasier were also brought in, and both proceeded to hold ST's roles for a few seasons with the Steelers.2008 saw the Steelers bring in a few extra FA's than 2007- Byron Leftwich, Mewelde Moore, Keyaron Fox and Justin Hartwig. OK, let's be honest- none of these guys are 'big name signings', but once again, like Mahan previously, these guys were brought in for specific roles. In fact, Hartwig makes it 2 years from 2 that the Steelers sign a FA to fill a starters role.2009 saw the Steelers bring in a few more FA's, and once again, no big name guys among them- Joey Galloway, Sean McDonald, Keiwan Ratliffe and Alex Stepanovich. Unlike previous years, none of these FA's were signed to become starters, and to be honest, they really didn't contribute much. It would seem that the year after winning a SB, the team was more focused on retaining it's OL guys like Starks, Colon & Kemoeatu.2010- the 2009 season was one of disappointment, resulting in the Steelers going 9-7 and missing the playoffs. The result in FA was that the Steelers got more active, signing several FA's including Antwaan Randle-El, Arnaz Battle, Shaun Suisham, Flozell Adams, Jonathon Scott, Larry Foote and Will Allen. While only Suisham was signed to be a starter, at various points of the season Adams, Scott & Foote contributed as starters. This might be the season to use as a guide- the Steelers combated missing the playoffs by bringing in greater depth & competition through FA without really breaking the bank on any 1 player. The result of this? The Steelers returned to the SB, only to lose this time.2011 saw the Steelers go back to being part players in FA, signing only Jerricho Cotchery of any note. That said, Cotchery is another example of the level of FA the Steelers tend o bring in- a low budget role player.2012 didn't bring too many big name FA's once again. Leonard Pope & Brandon Johnson were low budget players brought in to add depth, and as the year went on Plexico Burress, Josh Victorian & Demarcus Van Dyke were added to the roster. Victorian was possibly the biggest FA contributor last season.

Chadman
01-26-2013, 10:17 AM
Ok, wow... that last post was ugly to read- sorry guys, that's what you get for working off an I-Pad apparently..

There are, of course, 2 sides to every goof FA history story- the guys you sign (covered previously), and the guys you lose or re-sign. The Steelers have proven to be... frugal... at signing other teams FA's, but how have they gone with losing or keeping their own?

In 2007, the Steelers lost John Kuhn, Sean Morey, Tim Euhus, Marvin Philip, Rodney Bailey & Joey Porter to other teams. While losing a guy like Porter would normally be considered a bad loss, the Steelers made no real play at keeping Joey as they had already decided to move forward with James Harrison. So really, the lost players to other teams was very minimal. As for re-signing, Max Starks, Najeh Davenport, Tyrone Carter & Brian St Pierre were retained. Starks was a starter, Carter & Davenport had non-starting roles, but both were contributors. All in all, the Steelers really lost nobody of significance to FA, but retained those FA's that played roles for the team.


2008 saw the Steelers part ways with Alan Faneca, Clark Haggans, Brian St Pierre & Allen Rossum in FA to other teams. On paper, that looks bad, but history will tell us that no effort was made to retain Haggans who was replaced by Woodley, and Chris Kemoeatu promoted by the Steelers to replace Faneca with no real effort made to keep him on the roster. So again, while the Steelers lost some 'big name' FA's, it was really more a planned progression more than any team taking players from the Steelers. Trai Essex, Nick Eason & Travis Kirschke were all re-signed - all 3 guys were part of the DL/OL rotation. What we see, 2 years in a row, is the Steelers not losing players they want to keep.


In 2009 the Steelers actually lost a number of players to other teams- Byron Leftwich, Nate Washington, Najeh Davenport, Anthony Madison & Bryant McFadden. In fact, it's quite possible to make the argument that Nate Washington is the most successful post-Steeler in modern NFL history. But again, while the Steelers lost these players- only McFadden was considered a starter, and he was phased out by Willie Gay anyhow. The Steelers managed to re-sign Max Starks, Willie Colon, Chris Kemoeatu, Charlie Batch & Keyaron Fox- all either starters or primary back-ups. Once again, the Steelers did a great job of keeping those they wanted to keep.

History repeats itself again in 2010- the Steelers lose a few players to other teams- Deshea Townsend, Willie Parker, Jeff Reed & Carey Davis, but with the exception of Reed (who had been playing the part of lunatic rather well at this point) all these players were lost with the progression plan in place- Willie Gay moved up to starter, Rashard Mendenhall stepped in for Parker.. On the other hand, the Steelers re-signed Ben, Charlie Batch, Willie Colon, Nick Eason, Casey Hampton, Willie Gay & Ryan Clark- 5 starters & 2 back-ups. Once again, the Steelers did a great job of not losing the guys they want to keep.

2011 saw the Steelers lose Matt Speath, Keyaron Fox, Nick Eason & Crezdon Butler. With perhaps the exception of Speath, the Steelers already had replacements for each of these players on the roster. On the other hand, Mewelde Moore, Willie Colon, Shaun Suisham, Lawrence Timmons, Ike Taylor, Willie Gay, Jon Scott & Troy Polamalu were retained. By now, Chadman is sure we are starting to see the pattern forming..

Lastly- 2012. Lost from the Steelers to other teams were Willie Gay, Wes Saunders, Toney Clemons & Jamon Meredith. Retained by the Steelers were Byron Leftwich, Max Starks, Ryan Mundy & Doug Legursky. Remembering that Keenan Lewis was scheduled to step in as starter, Saunders was cut & Clemons was nicked off the PS, only Jamon Meredith was really 'taken away' from the Steelers.

supersteeler
01-26-2013, 11:44 AM
Again,
The Steelers only have money to shop at K-mart not Saks of fifth Ave.

Chadman
01-26-2013, 07:48 PM
Again,
The Steelers only have money to shop at K-mart not Saks of fifth Ave.

Agreed, but they were in the same position last year, and are tight against the cap nearly every year. The key is that th Steelers rarely,if ever, lose players they have not planned on replacing. The question is, who have they prepared to lose this season?

Certainly there is a progression plan in place for Max Starks, with 2 second round OT's brought into the team in 2 years. And if the Steelers were to move on from James Harrison, the Steelers have Worilds in the wings ready to stp in. Foster is covered by DeCastro. Does Allen cover Lewis? How hard will they try to re-sign Lewis as a result? Sanders replaces Wallace? McLendon replaces Hampton?

The 2 positions where the Steelers have FA's that do't apper to have a 'ready to step in replacement' are at RB & at ILB. Now, the Steelers might feel Spence is the future, but coming back from injury, Chadman is not convinced they'll turn it over to him right away. At RB, the Steelers will tender both Dwyer & Redman, but they have given no indication that either is the long-term solution, in fact Colbert even identified them as an area that needs improvement.

Chadman's point- look for the Steelers to re-sign Foote to hold ILB for Spence until he is ready, and look for a low-range upgrade in FA at RB. It would not surprise Chadman if th Steelers make very little real effort to sign Starks, and if the dollars are not there, the Steelers won't mortgage the future for Lewis if they have a guy ready to step in like Cortez Allen. Given the way the Steelers have done business in the past, some back-up type players that can help on ST's might also be brought in at low cost.

One thing Chadman has not brought up yet- the Steelers very rarely, if ever, go into a Draft without some kind of solution in place for every roster spot. That is to say, the Steelers will not have a genuine opening at a starting spot prior to the draft.

supersteeler
01-26-2013, 08:38 PM
Agreed, but they were in the same position last year, and are tight against the cap nearly every year. The key is that th Steelers rarely,if ever, lose players they have not planned on replacing. The question is, who have they prepared to lose this season?

Certainly there is a progression plan in place for Max Starks, with 2 second round OT's brought into the team in 2 years. And if the Steelers were to move on from James Harrison, the Steelers have Worilds in the wings ready to stp in. Foster is covered by DeCastro. Does Allen cover Lewis? How hard will they try to re-sign Lewis as a result? Sanders replaces Wallace? McLendon replaces Hampton?

The 2 positions where the Steelers have FA's that do't apper to have a 'ready to step in replacement' are at RB & at ILB. Now, the Steelers might feel Spence is the future, but coming back from injury, Chadman is not convinced they'll turn it over to him right away. At RB, the Steelers will tender both Dwyer & Redman, but they have given no indication that either is the long-term solution, in fact Colbert even identified them as an area that needs improvement.

Chadman's point- look for the Steelers to re-sign Foote to hold ILB for Spence until he is ready, and look for a low-range upgrade in FA at RB. It would not surprise Chadman if th Steelers make very little real effort to sign Starks, and if the dollars are not there, the Steelers won't mortgage the future for Lewis if they have a guy ready to step in like Cortez Allen. Given the way the Steelers have done business in the past, some back-up type players that can help on ST's might also be brought in at low cost.

One thing Chadman has not brought up yet- the Steelers very rarely, if ever, go into a Draft without some kind of solution in place for every roster spot. That is to say, the Steelers will not have a genuine opening at a starting spot prior to the draft.

I agree with every work you typed....good job Chadman

Chadman
01-26-2013, 09:07 PM
One name that comes to mind when you look at the FA RB's that might fit a need for the Steelers is former Seahawks/Texan RB Justin Forsett. He's not about to command starting money, he is a ready made replacement for Chris Rainey, and he gives the Steelers something they don't already have- speed at RB.

Chadman
01-26-2013, 09:27 PM
A couple of other names that pop out to Chadman as low-priced contributors that the Steelers could target are TE Chris Cooley, who could fill in for Heath until he is ready to go again, Will Svitek the OT from the Falcons who used to play for Haley at the Chiefs, OLB Antwan Applewhite from the Panthers- particularly if Harrison is released and Worilds moves up in the roster order, Stanford Routt who was scheduled to come in for a visit after Taylor went down, but signed with the Texans a day earlier, and lastly, Chadman's favourite FA Safety- Patrick Chung from the Patriots, who plays with a barely contained fury on the field. He might cost more than the others, but if the Steelers wanted a FS to replace Clark in a year or so.... He might be worth a shot.

supersteeler
01-26-2013, 09:32 PM
A couple of other names that pop out to Chadman as low-priced contributors that the Steelers could target are TE Chris Cooley, who could fill in for Heath until he is ready to go again, Will Svitek the OT from the Falcons who used to play for Haley at the Chiefs, OLB Antwan Applewhite from the Panthers- particularly if Harrison is released and Worilds moves up in the roster order, Stanford Routt who was scheduled to come in for a visit after Taylor went down, but signed with the Texans a day earlier, and lastly, Chadman's favourite FA Safety- Patrick Chung from the Patriots, who plays with a barely contained fury on the field. He might cost more than the others, but if the Steelers wanted a FS to replace Clark in a year or so.... He might be worth a shot.

I would like to see the possibility of Chris Cooley, he was a reliable TE for the Skins but I don't know about his health.

MeetJoeGreene
01-26-2013, 11:37 PM
Just imagine if we had kept Kuhn in 2007 instead of Davenport... or Carey Davis. Ugh.

Chadman
01-27-2013, 05:46 AM
I would like to see the possibility of Chris Cooley, he was a reliable TE for the Skins but I don't know about his health.

Health is obviously an issue- but when Fred Davis went down, Cooley was healthy enough to sign & play right away.

Thing is, Cooley wouldn't need to offer a full season of health to be valuable- he'd essentially be cover for Heath until he comes back into the side. But he is a pure pass catcher, and runs good routes- no doubt Haley could make use of that.

Chadman
01-27-2013, 05:48 AM
Just imagine if we had kept Kuhn in 2007 instead of Davenport... or Carey Davis. Ugh.

To be fair, it's not like Kuhn went on to be an all-pro..... but you make a good point- he'd have been better than both Dookie & Davis.

Chadman
01-28-2013, 06:51 PM
Just a note to point out that the FA & Draft posts at the beginning of this thread will be updated daily as new information comes to hand.

Chadman
01-29-2013, 11:58 PM
So here we are, closing in on the Super Bowl, or, more importantly (for Steelers fans), the beginning of the new season.

The Steelers are faced with the daunting prospect of trying to get under the Salary Cap- potentially some $16m to clear in order to comply, while still retaining the RFA's & ERFA's, which traditionally they will do. The cap is reported to be $121m, the Steelers currently sit at $129m. With 5 restricted, and 2 Exclusive Rights FA's, they will add up to around $7.8m- so roughly, $16m over the cap. To make matters worse- that is the total for 42 players.

That's not even contemplating re-signing their own FA's. Or rookies.

In order to sign their own FA's, and the rookies, the Steelers will need to do some serious Cap surgery. Essentially, the Steelers need to make room for 11 salaries- and half of those would be rookie salaries, to get to the 53 roster positions filled. How much will they need? Hard to say, but realistically- at least around $10m, or even $15m additionally to the $16 the Steelers are over.

How the Hell will Omar do that?

Well, let's see...

Firstly, the easy one. Restructure Ben. By simply converting his salary to a bonus, the Steelers save $7m in 2013 against the Cap.


Secondly- restructure LaMarr Woodley & Lawrence Timmons again. Some want to cut Woodley- but that won't happen. By turning their collective 2013 Salaries into Bonus payments, the Steelers will save $9m against the Cap.

Combined with Ben, that's $16m saved. (Yes, the piper must be paid eventually, but this gets 2013 going at the least).

Now it gets tougher.

Cutting James Harrison will save $5.1m of his $10m+ cap hit. Restructuring Harrison seems unlikely, as it will have to involve extending a contract on a 34 year old player. So cutting him makes most sense. They may look to re-sign him to a much smaller deal, and here's betting they will try, but how much less will Harrison accept?

Restructuring Willie Colon- it's a risk, given his injury history. Cutting him outright only saves $1.2m, which may not be enough of a saving. Restructuring his contract saves $3m, however.

Restructuring Troy Polamalu- again, a risk given age & injury history- but he's such an outstanding player, it might be worth the risk. Turning his salary into a bonus saves a further $3.2m against the Cap.

So, $16m + $5.1m + $3m + $3.2m = $27.3m

We're now pretty close to where the Steelers need to be.

That said, re-signing Keenan Lewis, Max Starks, Larry Foote or even James Harrison (if cut) might require further money.

Other candidates for restructures include:
Heath Miller- saves $3.5m (approx)
Antonio Brown- Saves $3m (approx)

Or candidates for cuts include:
Ike Taylor- saves $6m
Brett Keisel- saves $2.85m
Ryan Clark- saves $3.5m
Shaun Suisham- saves $1.5m
Jerricho Cotchery- saves $1m

(These figures may not be 'exact', but pretty close... Chadman thinks)

It could be a case where the Steelers need to make a tough decision between re-signing Keenan Lewis or keeping Ike Taylor- as the cost of Lewis, one of the premier FA's on the market, might be similar to the savings made in cutting the older Taylor. How seriously do the Steelers want Lewis back?

Chadman's prediction is this:

The Steelers will restructure or even extend Ben's contract. ($7m)
The Steelers will restructure Woodley & Timmons contracts. ($9m)
The Steelers will restructure Colon's contract. ($3m)
The Steelers will restructure Polamalu's contract. ($3.2m)
The Steelers will restructure Antonio Brown's contract. ($3m)

The Steelers will extend Heath Miller's contract. (approx $2.5m)

The Steelers will cut Jerricho Cotchery. ($1m)
The Steelers will cut James Harrison. ($5.1m)

This will reduce the Cap by $33.8m, which puts the Steelers $17.8m under the Cap before they sign anybody.

Of that $17.8m, there will be the Rookie Cap (last year it was $5.13m), so let's predict it will sit, at worst... around $6m. That leaves $11.8m to sign 6-7 players to fill the roster (after adding 7 rookies, and removing Harrison & Cotchery).

Now, if the Steelers sign Larry Foote to a Vet Minimum contract, say around the $800k area, that brings the team to $11m.

Plaxico could be signed to a similar deal, but moved up the depth chart to replace Cotchery. Approx $10m, with 5 roster spots to fill.

The Steelers might be inclined to try & sign Emmanual Sanders to a longer contract, along with Steve McLendon as both would move into starting roles. While it would increase their cap cost, Chadman would guess no more than by $2-$3m combined. That leaves, worst case scenario, $7m to sign 5 players.

$7m to sign 5 players.

Of those potential 5 players, the Steelers would likely want to make a play at Keenan Lewis. That might take a significant chunk of that $7m. This is where the value of Lewis vs Taylor vs Allen will come into play.

From what we saw last year, Cortez Allen might not be far away from starting, so going with him next season is... well, likely. So who do the Steelers pick? Lewis or Taylor. If the Steelers cut Taylor to sign Lewis, it might still free up that $7m we talked about earlier to sign Max Starks, or a RB, or a WR, or a TE.

If the Steelers decide to sign Lewis without cutting Taylor, then you can pretty much assume every other player remaining to fill the roster will be Vet Minimum guys.

Or are the Steelers kidding themselves regarding Lewis & he's realistically on the same plane that Wallace & Mendenhall booked flights on?

What do you guys think?

thor75
01-30-2013, 02:51 AM
Not real familiar with the financial end of the NFL, but can the Steelers offer K. Lewis a very cap-friendly deal and a huge bonus thus enabling them to keep him and Ike? In other words, more money in bonus than $$/year?

Chadman
01-30-2013, 06:01 AM
Not real familiar with the financial end of the NFL, but can the Steelers offer K. Lewis a very cap-friendly deal and a huge bonus thus enabling them to keep him and Ike? In other words, more money in bonus than $$/year?

In theory they can, for sure. But the Steelers financial position won't be top secret, other teams will know where they sit, near about, and if they 'really' want Lewis, they might try putting together an offer that is more friendly, early, for Lewis, in order to make it harder for the Steelers to keep Lewis in Pittsburgh. Best case scenario- Lewis really wants to stay, and is willing to work financially with the Steelers to make it happen.

But in today's NFL, how often does the dollar lose out? Keeping Lewis will be tough, and it might involve making tougher decisions.

supersteeler
01-30-2013, 09:06 AM
I don't know if the Steelers are willing to spend so much on one player like lewis who IMHO only had 3 quarters of this season playing good football. There is no guarantee he will duplicate what he did during the close of the 2012 season next year, so I think the Steelers might let him look at offers from other teams.
Ike Taylor didn't just play well for a portion of a season, he showed he was our best cover corner and its likely he will play out his contact here.

Cortez Allen showed he is capable of playing the position opposite Ike, and is Lewis that much better than Allen? I would think not and look for the Steelers to draft a CB early if a good one is available when we pick.
Xavier Rhodes is a real good prospect has good coverage skills and can hit, if we had the shot to get him @ 17 they may go in that direction and save a boatload of cash instead of signing Lewis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GELytS0ne24

Chadman
01-30-2013, 10:27 AM
I don't know if the Steelers are willing to spend so much on one player like lewis who IMHO only had 3 quarters of this season playing good football. There is no guarantee he will duplicate what he did during the close of the 2012 season next year, so I think the Steelers might let him look at offers from other teams.
Ike Taylor didn't just play well for a portion of a season, he showed he was our best cover corner and its likely he will play out his contact here.

Cortez Allen showed he is capable of playing the position opposite Ike, and is Lewis that much better than Allen? I would think not and look for the Steelers to draft a CB early if a good one is available when we pick.
Xavier Rhodes is a real good prospect has good coverage skills and can hit, if we had the shot to get him @ 17 they may go in that direction and save a boatload of cash instead of signing Lewis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GELytS0ne24

That's quite possible. Lewis is good, but his market value might be inflated due to the lack of top-tier FA's available this off-season. In Chadman's opinion, he's a solid, dependable type of player. Allen probably has greater upside though. The only concern Chadman has about Ike Taylor is that he was worryingly beaten by Santonio Holmes earlier this season, plus that kid in Denver. What we saw was Ike getting caught holding more often this season- is that a sign that his player was a danger of getting away from him? Ike is not a young player anymore, and if he loses a step, he's not going to make up for it by being a ballhawk.

Drafting a CB is a strong possibility- but where? And what do the Steelers think they have in Victorian, Brown & Van Dyke?

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-30-2013, 12:13 PM
Chadman's prediction is this:

The Steelers will restructure or even extend Ben's contract. ($7m)
The Steelers will restructure Woodley & Timmons contracts. ($9m)
The Steelers will restructure Colon's contract. ($3m)
The Steelers will restructure Polamalu's contract. ($3.2m)
The Steelers will restructure Antonio Brown's contract. ($3m)

The Steelers will extend Heath Miller's contract. (approx $2.5m)

The Steelers will cut Jerricho Cotchery. ($1m)
The Steelers will cut James Harrison. ($5.1m)



I think that the Steelers can't go through another Colon restructuring - which sounds like a medical procedure that would be almost as painful as watching him get paid to stand on the sidelines for one more year. Everybody is talking about only saving $1M+ by releasing him, but why spend anything more to watch him sit out? It also gets you out from the remainder of his contract instead of tying yourself through 2015 with a restructure. Not to mention that we can cut him after June 1 and save the full $5.5M this year, and take the remaining $4M dead cap hit next year when the cap rises.

As for Harrison, he has already stated that he would be willing to restructure to stay. Now, for many contracts that would simply mean pushing salary into bonus to lower the cap hit, but I think that Harrison understands that he would require a reduction as a restructure. I think that he is embarrassed by his results the last two seasons and would take less - say $2.5M - to show that he is still the player he was. That leaves one more year afterwards if the Steelers retain him beyond 2013. That would pare $4M off of the cap. This puts us $1.4M ahead of where you predicted, and takes us out from under the behemoth that is the Colon contract.

Beyond that, the number one target has to be Keenan Lewis. He will receive an unusual type of offer (as far as the Steelers go) with a huge amount up front in SB. I would expect something in the neighborhood of 5 years, $40M, with around $16M in SB. With a first year salary around $800K, and a pro-rated SB hit of $3.2M, that gives him a manageable cap hit of $4M in 2013.

I don't think they can take a run at Starks as he won't be a one year contract anymore. They have to put their kids in position to play at some point and this will be the year.

Shawn
01-30-2013, 12:42 PM
This is a no brainer...young up and coming DB or an aging DB? You sign Lewis. If you need to cut a DB, you cut Ike.

supersteeler
01-30-2013, 01:48 PM
That's quite possible. Lewis is good, but his market value might be inflated due to the lack of top-tier FA's available this off-season. In Chadman's opinion, he's a solid, dependable type of player. Allen probably has greater upside though. The only concern Chadman has about Ike Taylor is that he was worryingly beaten by Santonio Holmes earlier this season, plus that kid in Denver. What we saw was Ike getting caught holding more often this season- is that a sign that his player was a danger of getting away from him? Ike is not a young player anymore, and if he loses a step, he's not going to make up for it by being a ballhawk.

Drafting a CB is a strong possibility- but where? And what do the Steelers think they have in Victorian, Brown & Van Dyke?


Everything hinges on whether they sign Lewis. I doubt they would keep both Taylor and Lewis so we'll have to see.
If they keep Ike and let Lewis go or the other way aound we'll need a replacement at CB. Victorian, Brown, and Van Dyke are all projects and neither one is dependable to think they can step in.
Xavier Rhodes is better than all three of them, he's big, physical, and can cover something we'll need with an average D-line and the potential loss of Harrison.

As shawn pointed out if its a choice between Ike and Lewis, go with the younger guy, but even then we'll still need a reliable backup.

RuthlessBurgher
01-30-2013, 02:40 PM
Ike Taylor turns 33 this offseason. Our future at CB should be in the hands of Keenan and Cortez. Sacrificing an ascending young player in order to keep an aging veteran would not be in our best interest.

NW Steeler
01-30-2013, 02:54 PM
If cutting Ike saves $6mil on the cap, I actually could see him getting cut. You could be right Ruthless, it may be time to turn the page on several of these guys. Its a scary proposition, but change usually is.

Oviedo
01-30-2013, 02:57 PM
Ike Taylor turns 33 this offseason. Our future at CB should be in the hands of Keenan and Cortez. Sacrificing an ascending young player in order to keep an aging veteran would not be in our best interest.

$$$$$ that is how we got into the cap mess we find ourseleves in now. We have always defaulted to the "devil that we know" versus giving up and coming young guys the chance to prove they belong.

This is the year to turn the page on the stars of the past decade and find the stars of the next decade.

Chadman
01-30-2013, 10:33 PM
I think that the Steelers can't go through another Colon restructuring - which sounds like a medical procedure that would be almost as painful as watching him get paid to stand on the sidelines for one more year. Everybody is talking about only saving $1M+ by releasing him, but why spend anything more to watch him sit out? It also gets you out from the remainder of his contract instead of tying yourself through 2015 with a restructure. Not to mention that we can cut him after June 1 and save the full $5.5M this year, and take the remaining $4M dead cap hit next year when the cap rises.

As for Harrison, he has already stated that he would be willing to restructure to stay. Now, for many contracts that would simply mean pushing salary into bonus to lower the cap hit, but I think that Harrison understands that he would require a reduction as a restructure. I think that he is embarrassed by his results the last two seasons and would take less - say $2.5M - to show that he is still the player he was. That leaves one more year afterwards if the Steelers retain him beyond 2013. That would pare $4M off of the cap. This puts us $1.4M ahead of where you predicted, and takes us out from under the behemoth that is the Colon contract.

Beyond that, the number one target has to be Keenan Lewis. He will receive an unusual type of offer (as far as the Steelers go) with a huge amount up front in SB. I would expect something in the neighborhood of 5 years, $40M, with around $16M in SB. With a first year salary around $800K, and a pro-rated SB hit of $3.2M, that gives him a manageable cap hit of $4M in 2013.

I don't think they can take a run at Starks as he won't be a one year contract anymore. They have to put their kids in position to play at some point and this will be the year.

Agree with alot of what you say there. Cutting Colon is a tough one. Is he overpriced? Yeah, sure... most likely. Thing is, cutting Colon means another spot to fill on the roster, but only saving just over a million. (Unless after June 1- then yes, a much bigger saving). The other thing to keep in mind with Colon is, if you cut him, the Steelers almost are forced to try & sign Foster, who would cost what? $1.5m a year? $2? More than the savings on Colon- that's for sure. If Colon, Starks & Foster are cut from the roster- the OL is almost too young, and do we really believe the Steelers will put all their eggs in Kelvin Beachum's basket just yet?

The Cap situation might almost dictate that Colon 'needs' to stay, in order to get some value from his roster spot in 2013.

James Harrison might very well 'do a Hampton' & take a paycut. That would just about be ideal, giving Worilds one more season to work his way into a starting role. Alot will depend on the Steelers desire to get younger, but Harrison, like Troy, might be one of those guys that you just have to hold on to.

Unless a major cut- Harrison, Taylor, Polamalu, Clark or even... gulp... Heath Miller happens, Chadman can't see how Lewis can be afforded. The FA market is pretty bare, and Lewis will be one of the more marquee signings available. The Steelers can't compete with that. How ruthless is the Steelers FO prepared to be?

Pretty much resigned to saying goodbye to Starks..

Chadman
01-30-2013, 10:35 PM
This is a no brainer...young up and coming DB or an aging DB? You sign Lewis. If you need to cut a DB, you cut Ike.

But will the Steelers do that? Ike is still a productive starter on this team- not the sort of player the Steelers generally part with. And the deflated FA market will mean Lewis will be a high priority for teams- raising his contract cost. Is he worth overpaying?

Chadman
01-30-2013, 10:38 PM
Everything hinges on whether they sign Lewis. I doubt they would keep both Taylor and Lewis so we'll have to see.
If they keep Ike and let Lewis go or the other way aound we'll need a replacement at CB. Victorian, Brown, and Van Dyke are all projects and neither one is dependable to think they can step in.
Xavier Rhodes is better than all three of them, he's big, physical, and can cover something we'll need with an average D-line and the potential loss of Harrison.

As shawn pointed out if its a choice between Ike and Lewis, go with the younger guy, but even then we'll still need a reliable backup.

The Steelers haven't really shown a tendancy to draft high round CB's or WR's- all the recent additions have been 3rd round or lower. Could the Steelers view Victorian like a young Willie Gay?

Chadman
01-30-2013, 10:40 PM
Ike Taylor turns 33 this offseason. Our future at CB should be in the hands of Keenan and Cortez. Sacrificing an ascending young player in order to keep an aging veteran would not be in our best interest.

This is really on the money. The more Chadman looks at it, the more Ike looks like the 'easier' loss to the roster. The question has to be though- to what value can you pay Lewis? Is he a top line CB deserving top line money? Someone might just offer him that- given the strength of the market...

Chadman
01-30-2013, 10:42 PM
If cutting Ike saves $6mil on the cap, I actually could see him getting cut. You could be right Ruthless, it may be time to turn the page on several of these guys. Its a scary proposition, but change usually is.

And Bill Cowher said himself that the Steelers rarely panic, and big changes are not always the answer. He must know the inner workings of the Steelers- how they do business. Is that throw-away comment from Cowher really more of an indication of what we should expect?

Chadman
01-30-2013, 10:46 PM
$$$$$ that is how we got into the cap mess we find ourseleves in now. We have always defaulted to the "devil that we know" versus giving up and coming young guys the chance to prove they belong.

This is the year to turn the page on the stars of the past decade and find the stars of the next decade.

Chadman would be inclined to agree with you to a point- except that it's incredibly hard to find too many of these young guys that never got a shot with the Steelers suddenly developing into starting players at other teams.

The transition from an old roster to a young roster is not THAT far from complete.

Ike, Troy, Clark, Harrison, Keisel, Miller, Ben & Colon are (if Chadman has this right), the only guys under contract over 30 years old going into 2013. And of that group- not all of them are guarenteed to be Steelers next season.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
01-31-2013, 11:57 AM
The Cap situation might almost dictate that Colon 'needs' to stay, in order to get some value from his roster spot in 2013.

I hear what you are saying, but I'm going more on the theory that you get zero value out of a guy who is on the sidelines. It would be different if teams were credited cap space of IR players, but any player on the IR - and Colon has delivered a grand total of 12 games in the last 48 with no playoff appearances - is wasted space.

steelz09
01-31-2013, 12:08 PM
Agree with alot of what you say there. Cutting Colon is a tough one. Is he overpriced? Yeah, sure... most likely. Thing is, cutting Colon means another spot to fill on the roster, but only saving just over a million. (Unless after June 1- then yes, a much bigger saving). The other thing to keep in mind with Colon is, if you cut him, the Steelers almost are forced to try & sign Foster, who would cost what? $1.5m a year? $2? More than the savings on Colon- that's for sure. If Colon, Starks & Foster are cut from the roster- the OL is almost too young, and do we really believe the Steelers will put all their eggs in Kelvin Beachum's basket just yet?

The Cap situation might almost dictate that Colon 'needs' to stay, in order to get some value from his roster spot in 2013.

James Harrison might very well 'do a Hampton' & take a paycut. That would just about be ideal, giving Worilds one more season to work his way into a starting role. Alot will depend on the Steelers desire to get younger, but Harrison, like Troy, might be one of those guys that you just have to hold on to.

Unless a major cut- Harrison, Taylor, Polamalu, Clark or even... gulp... Heath Miller happens, Chadman can't see how Lewis can be afforded. The FA market is pretty bare, and Lewis will be one of the more marquee signings available. The Steelers can't compete with that. How ruthless is the Steelers FO prepared to be?

Pretty much resigned to saying goodbye to Starks..

Colon needs to be cut even if it saves just 1.5. Enough is enough already with that guy. Cut your loses and move on. If nothing else, it opens up a roster spot for a future player such as a draft pick and/or UDFA..

Shawn
01-31-2013, 12:29 PM
But will the Steelers do that? Ike is still a productive starter on this team- not the sort of player the Steelers generally part with. And the deflated FA market will mean Lewis will be a high priority for teams- raising his contract cost. Is he worth overpaying?

I would disagree, Ike is exactly the type of player the Steelers part with...aging...best playing days behind him. I have never known the Steelers to let a young very talented player walk to sign a guy who is 33 years old. Now the Steelers have been known to re-sign a guy like Ike to a lower old guy cap friendly retire in the Burgh contract.

steelz09
01-31-2013, 12:31 PM
Here is what I think we should do...

Say goodybe to the following players....

1) Foote
2) Hampton
3) Mendenhall
4) Wallace
5) David Johnson
6) Colon

Restructure Ben's contract, Woodley's and Timmons.

Try to get Harrison to sign a Hampton-like paycut and play 1 more year. He is still one of our best defensive players when healthy but he probably has 1 really good year left in him.

Do what you can to keep Clark and Polamalu for at least 1 more year. Clark probably has a year left. I don't see Polamalu "hanging on" to long when he recognizes his career is about over. I think he and the Steelers know that his playing days are winding down but not over. He will be 32 by the start of next season.

Try to get Ike to take a paycut.

If Harrison won't take a paycut... you cut him.

If Ike won't take a paycut... you cut him.

I would make every effort to sign Foster and Starks to a cap friendly deal. People think Max is old because he's been on this team forever. He JUST turned 31 and he was one of our most consistent offensive player (not just o-lineman). Who knows what Foster is asking for. Legursky is a very valuable backup especially at center... especially with Pouncey's ankle issues.

The Steelers can NOT sacrifice the future of this team by hanging onto players that have 1 or MAYBE 2 years left. That means, you cut Ike if it means signing Lewis.

Slapstick
01-31-2013, 12:47 PM
While Foster and Starks have been consistent and (mostly) durable players, they may not fit the new blocking schemes that Bicknell will install...

If they don't fit, allow them to find a place elsewhere...

steelz09
01-31-2013, 01:03 PM
While Foster and Starks have been consistent and (mostly) durable players, they may not fit the new blocking schemes that Bicknell will install...

If they don't fit, allow them to find a place elsewhere...

Even though I might not agree with it... I could see the Steelers signing Foster for relatively cheap compared to Starks. The primary reason is the position... Foster has been backup that has played decent because of injuries. Starks on the other hand is a starter in this league and he plays the most expensive position on the o-line: LT

For financial reasons, they might sign Foster to a cap-friendly deal and let Starks walk. They invested high picks in both Gilbert and Adams. The Steelers obviously planned them to be starters and that could spell the end for Starks in Pittsburgh. Depth is a whole seperate issue. You don't draft a 2nd rounder (i.e. Gilberts/Adams) for depth. You also don't keep Starks for depth (to expensive and he's starter material).

I'm really hoping they draft a 1st or 2nd round ILB with intentions of him starting from day 1 to replace Foote. It's obvious replacing Foote was the Steelers plan last year when they all but said Hightower was going to be the pick but they couldn't pass on DD.

I could see ILB, S and WR as being the selection in the first three rounds (no particular order). I would like to see us replace Mike Wallace with DeAndre Hopkins from Clemson. I would also like to see us draft Kevin Minter to replace Larry Foote.

As far as safety goes... I like the kid from South Carolina.

supersteeler
01-31-2013, 01:19 PM
Here is what I think we should do...

Say goodybe to the following players....

1) Foote
2) Hampton
3) Mendenhall
4) Wallace
5) David Johnson
6) Colon

Restructure Ben's contract, Woodley's and Timmons.

Try to get Harrison to sign a Hampton-like paycut and play 1 more year. He is still one of our best defensive players when healthy but he probably has 1 really good year left in him.

Do what you can to keep Clark and Polamalu for at least 1 more year. Clark probably has a year left. I don't see Polamalu "hanging on" to long when he recognizes his career is about over. I think he and the Steelers know that his playing days are winding down but not over. He will be 32 by the start of next season.

Try to get Ike to take a paycut.

If Harrison won't take a paycut... you cut him.

If Ike won't take a paycut... you cut him.

I would make every effort to sign Foster and Starks to a cap friendly deal. People think Max is old because he's been on this team forever. He JUST turned 31 and he was one of our most consistent offensive player (not just o-lineman). Who knows what Foster is asking for. Legursky is a very valuable backup especially at center... especially with Pouncey's ankle issues.

The Steelers can NOT sacrifice the future of this team by hanging onto players that have 1 or MAYBE 2 years left. That means, you cut Ike if it means signing Lewis.

Sounds logical to me, I hope Harrison will stick around 1 more year. He came on at the end and should be in great shape for the 2013 season.
The issue is will he take a pay cut?
I figure 3 mill is better than no mill!

RuthlessBurgher
01-31-2013, 02:48 PM
I would disagree, Ike is exactly the type of player the Steelers part with...aging...best playing days behind him. I have never known the Steelers to let a young very talented player walk to sign a guy who is 33 years old. Now the Steelers have been known to re-sign a guy like Ike to a lower old guy cap friendly retire in the Burgh contract.

Yup yup. If we pay Lewis and a Allen, sure, there is a chance that they regress and aren't worth what we are paying them a couple of years from now (but from what I've seen so far, it's a reasonable risk to assume that both are ascending talents in this league). Ike on the other hand, is 100% guaranteed to regress and not be worth what we are paying him a couple of years from now. Ike's been remarkably reliable for us over the years, but it's not a great time for him to suffer a hairline leg fracture when he is a soon-to-be-33 year old playing a position that requires top speed.

Chadman
01-31-2013, 06:32 PM
Too many replies to single out anything individual!!

Here's a question- after cutting a number of Vet leaders last season, and then watching some undisciplined, sloppy play from the youngsters translate into an 8-8 season- can the Steelers really afford to cut Vet's like Harrison & Taylor without suffering another hit in leadership?

Chadman
01-31-2013, 06:35 PM
Colon needs to be cut even if it saves just 1.5. Enough is enough already with that guy. Cut your loses and move on. If nothing else, it opens up a roster spot for a future player such as a draft pick and/or UDFA..

Can understand that statement- but cutting Colon requires signing someone to replace him, relying on a draft pick, or relying on Kelvin Beachum. Signing Ramon Foster is the obvious answer- but will cutting Colon save enough against the cap to sign Foster?

Chadman
01-31-2013, 06:37 PM
A little caveat to the whole pondering of Steeler woes-

Brett Keisel, when asked about James Harrison, said he thinks James will be back but something needs to be done about the contract. That's different from last season when guys were saying they 'hope' Farrior comes back.

Starting to lean towards Harrison will be returning, at a lower rate. What does that mean for Taylor?

Chadman
01-31-2013, 06:41 PM
Even though I might not agree with it... I could see the Steelers signing Foster for relatively cheap compared to Starks. The primary reason is the position... Foster has been backup that has played decent because of injuries. Starks on the other hand is a starter in this league and he plays the most expensive position on the o-line: LT

For financial reasons, they might sign Foster to a cap-friendly deal and let Starks walk. They invested high picks in both Gilbert and Adams. The Steelers obviously planned them to be starters and that could spell the end for Starks in Pittsburgh. Depth is a whole seperate issue. You don't draft a 2nd rounder (i.e. Gilberts/Adams) for depth. You also don't keep Starks for depth (to expensive and he's starter material).



All that, right there, is the most likely thing to happen if the Steelers want to bring back an OL guy from last year. There isn't a 'progression plan' in place at LG, but the Steelers have planned for both OT positions. Foster is easily the more likely signing, and quite doable if cutting Colon is on the schedule.

The Steelers will want at the least, a Vet back-up at OT. Chadman suggested the Falcons (and former Chief) Will Svitek earlier. Any other options?

supersteeler
01-31-2013, 06:59 PM
Too many replies to single out anything individual!!

Here's a question- after cutting a number of Vet leaders last season, and then watching some undisciplined, sloppy play from the youngsters translate into an 8-8 season- can the Steelers really afford to cut Vet's like Harrison & Taylor without suffering another hit in leadership?

Yeah, when a team transitions its players and you get the young guys in there, mistakes and pain go into the process.
Personally I would keep JH if he's willing to take a pay cut with his contract, draft a OLB and let him compete and learn the system to groom him to replace Harrison.
Worlids is harrison's replacement for now but he needs competition before they just hand him the job, a rookie would have to be really good to just step in and needs time to develope.

As for Lewis, he's going to demand a big pay increase and if we sign him it might work out but I don't know if the Steelers are willing to go that route on 3/4 of a season of good play. If we get the chance to draft a top CB he can learn behind Ike and we'll save money that was going to go to Lewis.
When we signed Antonio Brown he had the credentials for a good contract over a period of time, what has Lewis done early in the year and the years he's been with us? Yeah, he has some upside but if they error on his contract it could come back to haunt us especially letting Ike go.
You would have Cortez Allen and Lewis starting, I would rather have the safety net with Ike and sign a top CB, before I shell out tons of cash to Lewis.

Chadman
01-31-2013, 07:15 PM
I'm really hoping they draft a 1st or 2nd round ILB with intentions of him starting from day 1 to replace Foote. It's obvious replacing Foote was the Steelers plan last year when they all but said Hightower was going to be the pick but they couldn't pass on DD.



Conversley, this is the least likely scenario. The Steelers won't go into the draft thinking they need to draft a guy to start. Someone will be lined up to be a starter at ILB before the draft- be it Foote, Brandon Johnson or one of the young guys in Sylvester or Spence.

Chadman suspects that Spence is the guy the Steelers have identified for the future. But Chadman doubts the future is now. Foote will be back.

Chadman
01-31-2013, 07:32 PM
"When we signed Antonio Brown he had the credentials for a good contract over a period of time, what has Lewis done early in the year and the years he's been with us?"


Don't get me started on Brown's contract.... couldn't disagree more on that one!

Shawn
01-31-2013, 07:46 PM
Too many replies to single out anything individual!!

Here's a question- after cutting a number of Vet leaders last season, and then watching some undisciplined, sloppy play from the youngsters translate into an 8-8 season- can the Steelers really afford to cut Vet's like Harrison & Taylor without suffering another hit in leadership?

While I won't disagree that at times the Steelers have played sloppy...I would say that the sloppy trend started well before the cut of vets...and I would argue the 8-8 record was more to do with injuries than anything else. I have a hard time keeping often hurt, aging vets if it means letting the future of the team leave via free agency. Doing so only mortgages the future. It's time the young up and comers find their voice...there are guys on this roster who can lead...and will lead when given the chance.

Chadman
01-31-2013, 07:55 PM
While I won't disagree that at times the Steelers have played sloppy...I would say that the sloppy trend started well before the cut of vets...and I would argue the 8-8 record was more to do with injuries than anything else. I have a hard time keeping often hurt, aging vets if it means letting the future of the team leave via free agency. Doing so only mortgages the future. It's time the young up and comers find their voice...there are guys on this roster who can lead...and will lead when given the chance.

Not disagreeing with you Shawn... but what will the Steelers do? Do they agree?

One thing the Steelers are very good at is progressing players into starting roles as older players are fazed out. While the argument can be made for Taylor/Lewis/Allen that the progression plan is in place, can it be said for Colon, Starks, Harrison, Hampton, Clark or Troy?

And while the Steelers are focussed on retaining 1 up & coming player in Lewis, they'll lose Mendenhall & Wallace- both have more success over the length of their careers, both are starters- and both are gone.

Normally, these are the sort of players the Steelers would lock up, long term. Young, productive players drafted in the 1st & 3rd rounds respectively.

This is very un-Steelerlike.... and might be 'sloppy' work from the FO. Is the result on the field- the sloppiness, the bad results... does it stem from higher up the tree?

supersteeler
01-31-2013, 08:25 PM
"When we signed Antonio Brown he had the credentials for a good contract over a period of time, what has Lewis done early in the year and the years he's been with us?"


Don't get me started on Brown's contract.... couldn't disagree more on that one!

Well, we can disagree then.

Mike Wallace had an opportunity to be a rich man but he held out, eventually signing for what 2.7 mill. He could of got a fair deal just by showing up at camp, the Steelers really wanted to sign him but he wanted more than they were willing to pay.
They took the next step in signing Brown, who did have the credentials.

1. Broke the franchise record fpr all pupose yards @ 2211


2. Named team MVP in only his second year, the last time a player was named MVP of the Steelers in his second year was Rod Woodson over 20 years ago.


3. He was a clutch receiver, and his value as a return specialist.

This year his play went down I get that, but besides Heath Miller, they all underachieved.

I believe Brown will return in 2013 and get back to form and be the best reciever on the roster.


Now, if your saying they could of waited to sign Brown to a longer contact after this season I get that, but what if Brown would of duplicated his 2011 stats then they are looking at two huge contracts with Wallace and Brown. They gave him a big contact but if they didn't sign him this year they would of paid even more by waiting.

I liked Mike Wallace, but IMHO he made a bad mistake. Oh, he'll get a nice contract with another team but will it be anymore than what he could of got here?

Brown is the man now, and I feel this season was a learning experience for him, he realizes the drops and mistakes he made so I look for him to rebound in a big way.

Chadman
01-31-2013, 09:37 PM
[QUOTE=supersteeler;547421]Well, we can disagree then.

Mike Wallace had an opportunity to be a rich man but he held out, eventually signing for what 2.7 mill. He could of got a fair deal just by showing up at camp, the Steelers really wanted to sign him but he wanted more than they were willing to pay.
They took the next step in signing Brown, who did have the credentials.

1. Broke the franchise record fpr all pupose yards @ 2211


2. Named team MVP in only his second year, the last time a player was named MVP of the Steelers in his second year was Rod Woodson over 20 years ago.


3. He was a clutch receiver, and his value as a return specialist.

QUOTE]

All that is fine, but the argument was this:


"When we signed Antonio Brown he had the credentials for a good contract over a period of time, what has Lewis done early in the year and the years he's been with us?"

That period of time, was 1 season starting.

Which is what Keenan Lewis has behind him.

"As for Lewis, he's going to demand a big pay increase and if we sign him it might work out but I don't know if the Steelers are willing to go that route on 3/4 of a season of good play"

Tell Chadman how the 2 differ. If Brown got paid (EARLY!! Only a RFA in 2013, not UFA), then Lewis needs to get paid too.

Shawn
01-31-2013, 09:51 PM
Not disagreeing with you Shawn... but what will the Steelers do? Do they agree?

One thing the Steelers are very good at is progressing players into starting roles as older players are fazed out. While the argument can be made for Taylor/Lewis/Allen that the progression plan is in place, can it be said for Colon, Starks, Harrison, Hampton, Clark or Troy?

And while the Steelers are focussed on retaining 1 up & coming player in Lewis, they'll lose Mendenhall & Wallace- both have more success over the length of their careers, both are starters- and both are gone.

Normally, these are the sort of players the Steelers would lock up, long term. Young, productive players drafted in the 1st & 3rd rounds respectively.

This is very un-Steelerlike.... and might be 'sloppy' work from the FO. Is the result on the field- the sloppiness, the bad results... does it stem from higher up the tree?

I think it's very Steeler like. The Steelers have shown the willingness to let a young talent go, if they do numb skull things...or are me first players...ie Holmes. By the way the Steelers reacted to Brown vs Wallace...I must believe there were attitudes and things said behind the scenes that prompted that action. I believe it was more than money. It's hard for me to believe an organization run as well as the Steelers acted emotionally with Browns contract. Mendenhall has said, and tweeted things that have embarrassed the team, not to mention had a poor attitude recently.

The Steelers always keep hard working, young talent with a good attitude...always.

Chadman
01-31-2013, 10:05 PM
I think it's very Steeler like. The Steelers have shown the willingness to let a young talent go, if they do numb skull things...or are me first players...ie Holmes. By the way the Steelers reacted to Brown vs Wallace...I must believe there were attitudes and things said behind the scenes that prompted that action. I believe it was more than money. It's hard for me to believe an organization run as well as the Steelers acted emotionally with Browns contract. Mendenhall has said, and tweeted things that have embarrassed the team, not to mention had a poor attitude recently.

The Steelers always keep hard working, young talent with a good attitude...always.

You may be right. Not wanting this thread to disolve into another Wallace/Brown slugfest, so we'll agree to disagree about the reaction to Wallace's rejection of the Steelers offer & the subsequent signing of Antonio Brown. It's done now, anyway- and the Steelers need to get the ship sorted regardless of what happened there.

Given your stance, and opinion, there's no way Lewis moves on then?

BradshawsHairdresser
01-31-2013, 11:00 PM
Given your stance, and opinion, there's no way Lewis moves on then?

What if he has a Wallace-like attitude? I have no idea if that's the case, but suppose they're two peas in a pod?

Chadman
01-31-2013, 11:08 PM
What if he has a Wallace-like attitude? I have no idea if that's the case, but suppose they're two peas in a pod?

If that's the case, then surely the Steelers will put the hard line through him, then turn around & sign Cortez Allen to an extended contract, even though he'll only be a RFA in 2014.......

Chadman
01-31-2013, 11:13 PM
Just looking at the responses, it seems we are all quite prepared for A veteran of note to be cut- be it Harrison or Taylor, in order to keep Keenan Lewis.

Of the available Steelers FA's, it seems we think Ramon Foster might be one of the more affordable & could be retained, but we think Max Starks will prove too expensive.

Nobody really mentioned Wallace or Mendenhall, so let's assume we think they have already moved out of town.

Where are we on Larry Foote? Does he come back at a cheap rate, or run out of town?

Plaxico?

Shawn
02-01-2013, 02:59 AM
You may be right. Not wanting this thread to disolve into another Wallace/Brown slugfest, so we'll agree to disagree about the reaction to Wallace's rejection of the Steelers offer & the subsequent signing of Antonio Brown. It's done now, anyway- and the Steelers need to get the ship sorted regardless of what happened there.

Given your stance, and opinion, there's no way Lewis moves on then?

The only way I see Lewis moving on is if he asks for stupid money. And Foote will be back.

Chadman
02-01-2013, 04:33 AM
The only way I see Lewis moving on is if he asks for stupid money. And Foote will be back.

The Steelers might need to work hard at him never actually hitting FA, because if he does, 'stupid money' will be where his value sits...

supersteeler
02-01-2013, 07:30 AM
I'm thinking Foote stays.
I haven't heard any news about spence, his recovery or anything. Its doubtful they would hand him the job @ ILB with no pro experience, and the other option is sylvester who can't even see the field on account of injuries.
Larry wants to return, had a decent year, and would be a safeguard until we groom another ILB.

Slapstick
02-01-2013, 10:20 AM
If that's the case, then surely the Steelers will put the hard line through him, then turn around & sign Cortez Allen to an extended contract, even though he'll only be a RFA in 2014.......

Actually, I'd be okay with this...

steelz09
02-01-2013, 10:44 AM
Conversley, this is the least likely scenario. The Steelers won't go into the draft thinking they need to draft a guy to start. Someone will be lined up to be a starter at ILB before the draft- be it Foote, Brandon Johnson or one of the young guys in Sylvester or Spence.

Chadman suspects that Spence is the guy the Steelers have identified for the future. But Chadman doubts the future is now. Foote will be back.

The Steelers don't "typically" draft a player to start immediately. You are right about that. With that being said, I disagree with you about Foote. The Steelers would have drafted Hightower last year. He would have started from day 1 over Foote. The Steelers feel Foote is a weakness but is a decent stop-gap. They are looking to replace him and this year might be the year. If it wasn't for DeCastro, Foote would have already been replaced.

Chadman
02-01-2013, 12:15 PM
The Steelers don't "typically" draft a player to start immediately. You are right about that. With that being said, I disagree with you about Foote. The Steelers would have drafted Hightower last year. He would have started from day 1 over Foote. The Steelers feel Foote is a weakness but is a decent stop-gap. They are looking to replace him and this year might be the year. If it wasn't for DeCastro, Foote would have already been replaced.


Hmmm....ok, agree that the Steelers will be looking to move on from Foote- he's not the long term answer, but they won't go INTO the draft with Sean Spence pencilled in as the starter. Even if they are going to target an ILB, Chadman still thinks Foote gets re-signed to hold the spot until it's taken from him.

Chadman
02-01-2013, 12:16 PM
Actually, I'd be okay with this...

:)

Why doesn't this surprise Chadman. :D

Chadman
02-02-2013, 10:10 PM
The Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl/denver-broncos) could show interest in Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) impending free-agent WR Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20873/nfl/mike-wallace) or New England Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl/new-england-patriots) impending free-agent WR Wes Welker (http://www.kffl.com/player/10224/nfl/wes-welker) if they become available this offseason.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=3#ixzz2JnXXqNeX

Chadman
02-02-2013, 10:11 PM
Annoyingly, it seems Chadman can no longer edit his FA post, so we'll just have to put rumours, updates & the rest of it in the main thread..

Chadman
02-03-2013, 06:05 PM
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) likely will look for a wide receiver that can be a deep threat in the 2013 NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159). The team has drafted only one receiver in the first round over the last 12 years but has had success in finding receivers in the later rounds of drafts.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz2JsOFNlaS

Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) TE David Paulson (http://www.kffl.com/player/26057/nfl/david-paulson) may fill in as the team's starting tight end next season until TE Heath Miller (http://www.kffl.com/player/11312/nfl/heath-miller) (knee) is able to return for his injury.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz2JsOJnCmQ

Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) TE Heath Miller (http://www.kffl.com/player/11312/nfl/heath-miller) (knee) will allow his damaged posterior cruciate ligament to heal on its own and will not need surgery. Miller did have surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament and posterior ligament. The Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are not sure when Miller will be able to return.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=0#ixzz2JsOMry3V

Chadman
02-03-2013, 07:20 PM
Ok, looks like a couple of the figures were off in regards to Cap Cost & Savings. Here is the revised numbers, based on 'the site that shall not be named"

James Harrison- Cap Cost: $10,035,000 Savings if Cut: $5,105,000 Final Year: 2014
Troy Polamalu- Cap Cost: $10,137,500 Savings if Cut: $4,862,500 Final Year: 2014
Ben Roethlisberger- Cap Cost $19,595,000 Savings if Cut: $4,100,000 Final Year: 2015
Heath Miller- Cap Cost: $7,958,500 Savings if Cut: $3,812,000 Final Year: 2014
Ryan Clark- Cap Cost: $4,750,000 Savings if Cut: $3,500,000 Final Year: 2013
Brett Keisel- Cap Cost: $4,500,000 Savings if Cut: $2,825,000 Final Year: 2013
Ike Taylor- Cap Cost: $9,454,166 Savings if Cut: $2,545,832 Final Year: 2014
Ziggy Hood- Cap Cost: $2,990,860 Savings if Cut: $1,992,325 Final Year: 2013
Willie Colon- Cap Cost: $7,650,000 Savings if Cut: $1,200,000 Final Year: 2015
Shaun Suisham- Cap Cost: $1,762,500 Savings if Cut: $1,087,500 Final Year: 2014
Jerricho Cotchery- Cap Cost: $1,500,000 Savings if Cut: $1,000,000 Final Year: 2013


Following these guys it's just a whole lot of small savings.

Of note, in case you are one of the 'get rid of Woodley' crowd, cutting Woodley will cost $1,120,000 against the cap- so that'll never happen. Other players it will cost to remove are Cam Heyward ($845,000), Antonio Brown ($600,000), Maurkice Pouncey ($273,375) & David DeCastro ($3,161,772)


Something concerning to keep in mind- guys that have the final year of their contract in 2014- Ike Taylor, James Harrison, Troy Polamalu & Heath Miller are already top earners. Those contract numbers will go UP again next season. Both James & Troy are $10m+ this season, with Ike just under. At 35, 33 & 34 years old, respectively- those guys & their contract numbers are bad matches. And Miller is just under $8m this year- coming off major knee injury- and will be 32 next season. Is he going to be worth over $8m next season?

Put it this way- that's $40m on 4 guys all over the age of 32. How many players get 'better' at 32?

Keyplay1
02-04-2013, 01:30 AM
This reply is because there is no green circle on the tread title. I'm surprised because I have read through everything a number of times. I suppose I have not replied because I must agree with just about everything being said. Keep it rolling everyone.

Keyplay1
02-04-2013, 02:26 AM
Chadman said: "The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) likely will look for a wide receiver that can be a deep threat in the 2013 NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159). The team has drafted only one receiver in the first round over the last 12 years but has had success in finding receivers in the later rounds of drafts.

True, but in 2000 they drafted Plaxico [marvel smith 2rd]and that sort of started things rolling. They missed the PO's that year but in 2001 came up with Hampton and Bell. Then added Hartings as a FA. That year they did a 13-3 and the turnaround lasted thoughout the decade. Same thing is needed this year.

Hmm! 2000 Plaxico #1 ----- 2006 Santonio -----2012 ??WR could be the BPA.

What is laughable about this is almost every year I am one who wants to draft all D and more D. But I suppose one has to be realistic at times. You do need to score some points to win also..

btw: I notice that the links in the last post were from KFFL. In the section with all the UFA's I usually go to that site, but they put everyone altogether and it is hard to figure out. RFA's, signed, resigned, ERFA's etc. That is the real reason I have posted.

How did you get just the available UFA's listed leaving off the RFA's etc. which no one is ever hardly going to get anyhow? I was looking at the TE's. Pitta was there. But an RFA. Last year it was Webb. Another RFA. They are almost never taken. It does seem like Baltimore is doing everything right lately. But, as I said. TS turned it around early last decade and can do it again.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 02:41 AM
"How did you get just the available UFA's listed leaving off the RFA's etc. which no one is ever hardly going to get anyhow? I was looking at the TE's. Pitta was there. But an RFA. Last year it was Webb. Another RFA. They are almost never taken. It does seem like Baltimore is doing everything right lately. But, as I said. TS turned it around early last decade and can do it again."

How did Chadman do it? Just a whole lotta typing. :)

For what it's worth- kffl is a great site. But the UFA's & RFA's should be kept seperate, in Chadman's opinion- for the exact reasons you brought up, teams hardly ever lose RFA's.

It's a bad FA class if you are looking for big time difference makers. But if a team is looking to improve the quality of it's role players- this is a pretty good FA group. It might suit the Steelers, given that they nearly always use the draft to get their impact players.

One guy in FA that is a potential 'difference maker' for the Steelers is one of their own. If they haven't burned the bridge completely- re-signing Mendenhall, given the current roster options, is not a bad move.

Keyplay1
02-04-2013, 03:36 AM
Chadman said: "How did Chadman do it? Just a whole lotta typing. :smile:

Wow! I wouldn't have believed it. But it had to be done. I know one guy that would not begin to think about it. [me]:D I mean if I can't turn it blue and click it in the post it don't get there.

It will be very helpful next month when the FA stuff gets heated up.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 09:45 AM
Chadman said: "How did Chadman do it? Just a whole lotta typing. :smile:

Wow! I wouldn't have believed it. But it had to be done. I know one guy that would not begin to think about it. [me]:D I mean if I can't turn it blue and click it in the post it don't get there.

It will be very helpful next month when the FA stuff gets heated up.

See what Chadman does for you people? :)

supersteeler
02-04-2013, 10:14 AM
I wouldn't draft a WR in round one, I want a dominate O-lineman who can start day one.

Pouncey is our Pro bowl center for the next ten years or beyond, draft Warmack and you would possibly have 3 Pro bowl players on that line with DeCastro.
Ben needs the best support up front that's possible, I want an impact player not a player you have to groom in round one.

Example. With the changes made on their Oline the Ravens scored 38 against Denver, 28 against NE, and 34 against the mighty 49ers, with that change Flacco went from a good QB to a great one in the playoffs.
They already had a run game and receivers but the main unit is the O-line and the battle on the LOS. 49ER'S front seven couldn't dominate like in previous games.

Ben needs the protection up front, and a line that can run block for whoever we have running the ball, bottom line we need to score points.
If we turn a way a great O-line player at 17 and draft another position, I don't care who u have a WR, Ben has to have protection to get him the ball.

Keyplay1
02-04-2013, 09:25 PM
supersteeler said: "I wouldn't draft a WR in round one, I want a dominate O-lineman who can start day one."

Ol is always a possible candidate for the #1 pick. This year it has competition from WR, DL, ILB/OLB, RB, SS/FS/, CB, and lesser competition at this time from TE, FB, or QB.

One more question for Chadman: There seems to be a lull in the FA area. Is the following correct.

Can teams sign at this time until the March contract expiration any of their own FA's.?

Then at 1sec after midnight on the day FA signing starts----Could any one of the 22 Steeler FA's listed on pg1 in the thread be signed by anyone?

Also: Sandwiched in on pages 1-3 which covered just about everything for all of us to become mini-Colberts:D was a short post dated like 1-07-2013 about TS talking to FS Cyprien at the Senior Bowl.
Whoa I'm thinking Does Chadman have a crystal ball or what? The game was just played last week. Okay, I do see it was in the Draft-Rumors, Visits, stuff which will get going heavier with the Combines coming up soon. I will be looking for that stuff for sure.

Never before did I notice there was a search the thread feature here. I started a serious reply to supersteelers post and was looking for a post I saw where someone made a real good case why TS would probably not draft another OL rd 1. I did not find it so I cancelled the reply. But It was just not in this thread and was somewhere else otherwise I would have surely found it.

Chadman
02-04-2013, 10:04 PM
Can teams sign at this time until the March contract expiration any of their own FA's.?

Then at 1sec after midnight on the day FA signing starts----Could any one of the 22 Steeler FA's listed on pg1 in the thread be signed by anyone?


Spot on the mark. The Steelers have from now until March 1 to get their FA's resigned & comply with the NFL Salary Cap. From that point on- it's game on as far as FA goes.



Sandwiched in on pages 1-3 which covered just about everything for all of us to become mini-Colberts:grin: was a short post dated like 1-07-2013 about TS talking to FS Cyprien at the Senior Bowl.
Whoa I'm thinking Does Chadman have a crystal ball or what? The game was just played last week.


The magic of the 'edit' button.

For some reason, however, the 'edit' button no longer works in the FA post.. :(



Okay, I do see it was in the Draft-Rumors, Visits, stuff which will get going heavier with the Combines coming up soon. I will be looking for that stuff for sure.



Post-Combine we'll start looking at Steeler draft trends & see if we can't get a picture as to the Steelers plans in the draft. From memory, we got about 4 picks right last season, and 3 from memory the year before...it's all a bit of fun.

Chadman
02-09-2013, 09:16 AM
Steelers | Dependable Larry Foote needed (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838126-steelers-dependable-larry-foote-needed)
Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:58:06 -0800
Impending free-agent LB Larry Foote (http://www.kffl.com/player/5815/nfl/larry-foote) (Steelers) is likely to be a player the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) try to re-sign, as they can't be confident LB Stevenson Sylvester (http://www.kffl.com/player/22730/nfl/stevenson-sylvester) can start and they can't be certain LB Sean Spence (http://www.kffl.com/player/25911/nfl/sean-spence) (knee) can move into a starting role this season after last year's severe knee injury.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2KPKG8ki0

Chadman
02-09-2013, 09:17 AM
Steelers | Two unlikely to be brought back (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838124-steelers-two-unlikely-to-be-brought-back)
Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:56:46 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) need to get younger on the offensive line and at backup quarterback, which means the team is unlikely to bring back impending free agents QB Byron Leftwich (http://www.kffl.com/player/5891/nfl/byron-leftwich) and OT Max Starks (http://www.kffl.com/player/9603/nfl/max-starks).


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2KPKRRtgj


Steelers | Versatile OL might be brought back (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838125-steelers-versatile-ol-might-be-brought-back)
Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:57:20 -0800
Impending free-agent OL Doug Legursky (http://www.kffl.com/player/19326/nfl/doug-legursky) (Steelers) might be brought back by the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers), as he was valuable the past two seasons with C Maurkice Pouncey (http://www.kffl.com/player/22367/nfl/maurkice-pouncey) dealing with injuries the past two seasons. Legursky can also play guard.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2KPKX26PA


Steelers | Mike Wallace not good fit (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838123-steelers-mike-wallace-not-good-fit)
Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:56:12 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) do not have enough salary-cap room to keep free-agent WR Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20873/nfl/mike-wallace), and he's not a good fit for offensive coordinator Todd Haley (http://www.kffl.com/player/14112/nfl/todd-haley)'s style of offense.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2KPKbvQU1

Chadman
02-09-2013, 09:19 AM
Steelers | Keenan Lewis expected to be top priority (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838078-steelers-keenan-lewis-expected-to-be-top-priority)
Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:17:35 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are expected to see re-signing impending free-agent CB Keenan Lewis (http://www.kffl.com/player/20841/nfl/keenan-lewis) as their top priority this offseason.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz2KPKv0Al7


Steelers | Cortez Allen could start in 2013 (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838079-steelers-cortez-allen-could-start-in-2013)
Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:28:10 -0800
Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) CB Cortez Allen (http://www.kffl.com/player/24402/nfl/cortez-allen) could start at cornerback next season if the team is not able to re-sign impending free-agent CB Keenan Lewis (http://www.kffl.com/player/20841/nfl/keenan-lewis) this offseason.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz2KPKzptRe

Chadman
02-09-2013, 09:39 AM
Free Agency is still around 3 weeks away. Chadman will keep the rumoured FA updates going as he sees them.

However- before FA kicks off, there's this little thing called the Scouting Combine closing in. In the coming days before the Combine, Chadman will go over a few trends of Steeler drafts that might make the results of the Combine a little more interesting. All rumours for the Combine will (hopefully) be updated on the post on the original page of this thread.


Anyone feel a draft?

supersteeler
02-09-2013, 09:43 AM
supersteeler said: "I wouldn't draft a WR in round one, I want a dominate O-lineman who can start day one."

Ol is always a possible candidate for the #1 pick. This year it has competition from WR, DL, ILB/OLB, RB, SS/FS/, CB, and lesser competition at this time from TE, FB, or QB.

One more question for Chadman: There seems to be a lull in the FA area. Is the following correct.

Can teams sign at this time until the March contract expiration any of their own FA's.?

Then at 1sec after midnight on the day FA signing starts----Could any one of the 22 Steeler FA's listed on pg1 in the thread be signed by anyone?

Also: Sandwiched in on pages 1-3 which covered just about everything for all of us to become mini-Colberts:D was a short post dated like 1-07-2013 about TS talking to FS Cyprien at the Senior Bowl.
Whoa I'm thinking Does Chadman have a crystal ball or what? The game was just played last week. Okay, I do see it was in the Draft-Rumors, Visits, stuff which will get going heavier with the Combines coming up soon. I will be looking for that stuff for sure.

Never before did I notice there was a search the thread feature here. I started a serious reply to supersteelers post and was looking for a post I saw where someone made a real good case why TS would probably not draft another OL rd 1. I did not find it so I cancelled the reply. But It was just not in this thread and was somewhere else otherwise I would have surely found it.

Keyplay1,
I did say I would like a dominate O-lineman over a WR in round one, but I know there are more pressing needs that they have to address first. Heck, I have CB picked in round one on my mock, picking this early as opposed to years past is an opportunity to get a good one, as they are hard to get in the later rounds.
OLB,ILB SAFETY, are probably our greatest needs, it's just my contention we can still get a good WR later in the rounds, same with running back. Ironically my mock doesn't even have a guard or tackle in it, because I get the sense the Steelers feel they already invested in that line the last few years with Pouncey, Gilbert, Adams, and DeCastro.

Chadman
02-10-2013, 04:15 AM
Patriots | Ron Brace waived (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838210-patriots-ron-brace-waived)
Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:11:21 -0800
The New England Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl/new-england-patriots) waived DL Ron Brace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20778/nfl/ron-brace). Brace cleared waivers and is free to sign with any team.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=1#ixzz2KTwfdUhw


Although this isn't Steelers related- Chadman feels he would be a shrew pick-up to add for Training Camp. If you put McLendon, Ta'amu, Fangupo & Brace on the field, and let them play it out to see who sticks, you at least are giving the team plenty of talented options to get it right.

Keyplay1
02-10-2013, 01:31 PM
Free Agency is still around 3 weeks away. Chadman will keep the rumoured FA updates going as he sees them.

However- before FA kicks off, there's this little thing called the Scouting Combine closing in. In the coming days before the Combine, Chadman will go over a few trends of Steeler drafts that might make the results of the Combine a little more interesting. All rumours for the Combine will (hopefully) be updated on the post on the original page of this thread.

Anyone feel a draft?

The invitees are posted. I am going to go through them and list all the Div II players and also the Div I FCS [formerly DivI AA.



ALFORD, ROBERT
SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA
DB02
DB




ARMSTEAD, TERRON
ARKANSAS-PINEBLUFF
OL03
OL




BASS, DAVID
MISSOURI WESTERN ST Div II
DL03
DL




BONNER, ALAN
JACKSONVILLE ST-AL
WO04
WO




BRYANT, ARMONTY
EAST CENTRAL Div II
DL05
DL






FOKETI, MANASE
WEST TEXAS A&M
OL18
OL










GAINES, ROGERS
TENNESSEE ST
OL21
OL

Keyplay1
02-10-2013, 01:41 PM
It was too long so I split it up. Geez! It seems nothing works right on that nfl.com. I blame it all on that freaking commish. How many times have I posted that he probably has hired a bunch of half butt relatives to program that site.



GILKEY, GARRETT
CHADRON ST Div II
OL22
OL




GOARD, TYRONE
EASTERN KENTUCKY
WO10
WO




HEPBURN, BRANDON
FLORIDA A&M
LB09
LB





HUGHES, MONTORI
TENNESSEE-MARTIN
DL18
DL




JACKSON, MARK
GLENVILLE ST Div II
OL26
OL




JOHNSON-WEBB, JAMAAL
ALABAMA A&M
OL31
OL




KAUFMAN, BRANDON
EASTERN WASHINGTON
WO18
WO




KUGBILA, EDMUND
VALDOSTA ST Div II
OL33
OL




MADY, LAMAR
YOUNGSTOWN
OL37
OL





MAYSONET, MIGUEL
STONY BROOK
RB2

RB


MCCRAY, DEMETRIUS
APPALACHIAN ST
DB24
DB







MELLETTE, AARON
ELON
WO21
WO





MILES, RONTEZ
CAL U-PENN Div II
DB29
DB




POUGH, KEITH
HOWARD
LB26
LB




POWELL, TY
HARDING Div II
DL37
DL




ROGERS, DA’RICK
TENNESSEE TECH
WO27
WO




SMITH, JARED
NEW HAMPSHIRE
DL41
DL





SORENSEN, BRAD
SOUTHERN UTAH
QB14
QB




SPADOLA, RYAN
LEHIGH
WO31
WO




SWANSON, DAXTON
SAM HOUSTON ST
DB44
DB




WATFORD, EARL
JAMES MADISON
OL53
OL




WEBB, B W
WILLIAM & MARY
DB52
DB




WILCOX, J J
GEORGIA SOUTHERN
DB54
DB



WILLIAMS, BRANDON
MISSOURI SOUTHERN ST Div II
DL48
DL




Not sure there is room so I won't post them. But there are a couple dozen schools that are in the Div I FBS that have me ????. Like Central Michigan, Toledo etc.

Keyplay1
02-10-2013, 02:03 PM
Now for my regular post.

The reason I posted this stuff was I was going to bet that more players from so called small schools would be drafted in the 1st 128 than the Big School Div I players. But now I'm not so sure there is such a thing as a small school. Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders, Ball State Cardinals DivI?? Bet's off!

Chadman
02-10-2013, 08:56 PM
Turning our attention to Steeler Draft Trends, let's look at some of the easy ones to follow first. To begin, we'll take a look at the trend that the Steelers follow in regards to 'big program' selections, and see which college football programs & divisions seem to capture Steeler attention most.

Starting from the obvious position- By Round:

ROUND 1
2007- ACC Florida State
2008- BIG 10 Illinois
2009- BIG 12 Missouri
2010- SEC Florida
2011- BIG 10 Ohio State
2012- PAC 12 Stanford

ROUND 2-
2007- BIG 10 Michigan
2008- BIG 12 Texas
2009- No Pick
2010- ACC Virginia Tech
2011- SEC Florida
2012- BIG 10 Ohio State

ROUND 3-
2007- BIG 10 Minnesota
2008- PAC 12 UCLA
2009- BIG 10 Wisconsin
- SEC Mississippi
- PAC 12 Oregon State
2010- CONFERENCE USA Southern Methodist
2011- BIG 12 Texas
2012- ACC Miami (FL)

ROUND 4-
2007- BIG 12 Baylor
- BIG 12 Oklahoma State
2008- BIG 12 Texas
2009- No Selection
2010- BIG 10 Ohio State
2011- SOUTHERN Citadel
2012- PAC 12 Washington

ROUND 5-
2007- BIG EAST Rutgers
- BIG EAST Louiseville
2008- PAC 12 Oregon
2009- CONFERENCE USA Central Florida
- MOUNTAIN WEST UNLV
2010- SEC Tennessee
- ACC Clemson
- PAC 12 Utah
2011- WAC Fresno State
2012- SEC Florida

ROUND 6
2007- No Selection
2008- BIG TEN Iowa
- BIG EAST West Virginia
2009- PAC 12 Oregon
2010- ACC Georgia Tech
- MID AMERICAN Central Michigan
2011- BIG 10 Nebraska

ROUND 7
2007- SEC Florida
2008- No Selection
2009- BIG TEN Penn State
- SUN BELT Arkansas State
2010- BIG 10 Ohio State
2011- BIG 12 Texas Tech
2012- PAC 12 Colorado
- PAC 12 Oregon
- SEC Texas A&M
- CONFERENCE USA SMU

Chadman
02-10-2013, 09:20 PM
Breaking that down further we see that, in the first 3 rounds- the premium draft picks, if you like, there is a real cluster of conferences to follow:

19 picks since 2007 (Tomlin/Colbert Era)

Big 10- 6 picks
ACC- 3 picks
Big 12- 3 picks
SEC- 3 picks
PAC 12- 3 picks
Conference USA- 1 pick

31% of the Steelers top 3 round picks come from the Big 10. Arguably the next best 4 conferences have provided just under 16% each in the ACC, Big 12, SEC & PAC 12. In other words- the level of competition matters to the Steelers. No small school reaches in the first 3 rounds.

Of the overall 50 draft picks in the Tomlin/Colbert era:

Big 10- 11 picks 22%
PAC 12- 9 picks 18%
BIG 12- 7 picks 14%
SEC- 7 picks 14%
ACC- 5 picks 10%
Conference USA- 3 picks 6%
Big East- 3 picks 6%
Southern- 1 pick 2%
Mountain West- 1 pick 2%
WAC- 1 pick 2%
Mid American- 1 pick 2%
Sun Belt- 1 pick 2%

As you can see, the Big 10 really dominates Tomlin/Colbert drafts with 22%, nearly a quarter of the Steelers draft picks from 2007, from that conference. PAC 12 has a handy 18%, nearly a fifth- although this was boosted greatly last year when 4 players from the PAC 12 were selected. Big 12 & SEC get a handy 14% of selections, while the ACC provides 10%.

In other words- 78% of all Tomlin/Colbert draft picks come from these conferences.

Chadman
02-10-2013, 09:33 PM
When you break the picks down by school- patterns are much harder to find. There are, however, 4 schools that have provided 3 or more players to the Steelers:

Ohio St- 4 players
Florida- 4 players
Oregon- 3 players
Texas- 3 players

Of note, Florida has provided 3 picks in consecutive drafts in Rainey, Gilbert & Pouncey (the other being Dallas Baker in 2007). Ohio St has provided 4 players in the last 3 drafts, and like Florida, a 1st & 2nd round pick among them- Adams, Heyward, Thaddeus Gibson & Doug Worthington. The last Texas player selected by the Steelers was Curtis Brown in 2011 (although it's now being reported he was Option 2 after Demarcus Van Dyke). Before him it was 2008 that provided the other Texas players- Tony Hills & Limas Sweed. Oregon have not provided a high draft pick- all late round guys- Paulson, Dennis Dixon & Rashon Harris.

So what can we take from that? Well, it would seem Ohio St or Florida are strong chances at providing an early draft pick for the Steelers, and that's about the sum of it..

Chadman
02-10-2013, 10:09 PM
The next trend to break down is position. What positions have the Steelers targetted in the draft since the beginning of the Tomlin/Colbert Era?

QB- 1
RB- 5
WR- 6
TE- 2
OT- 3
OG- 5
OC- 2
DE- 5
NT- 1
OLB- 5
ILB- 4
CB- 7
FS- 1
SS- 0

K- 0
P- 1

Of these picks:
1st Round- 1 ILB, 1 RB, 2 DE's, 1 OC, 1 OG

2nd Round- 1 WR, 2 OLB's, 2 OT's

So that is 6 picks out of 11 that are along the LOS. On top of that- 5 of those 6 were picked in the last 3 years- so they are still developing players. That's a lot of high investment along the lines, and probably gives an indication how Tomlin & Colbert like to build their draft boards, and indeed, their team.

Surprisingly, 2 of the Steelers stronger positions- CB & WR, are not heavily represented early in the draft (although Round 3 produces a large number of CB's & WR's- 4 of the Steelers 8 3rd round selections under Tomlin/Colbert have been CB/WR).

LB has 3 of the top 11 selections under Tomlin/Colbert- and this likely gives an indication on the focus away from the LOS. The Steelers are, by Tomlin's definition, a run & hit team. And having talented guys to run & hit seems a must.

What we can take from this is that one of the Steelers top 2 picks, at least, is likely to be a guy that plays on, or around the LOS.

Chadman
02-10-2013, 10:27 PM
If we now look at positions that may have been neglected under Tomlin/Colbert, we'll see 5 fairly obvious ones.

Firstly, QB. Under Tomlin & Colbert only 1 QB has been drafted- Dennis Dixon. Now, being realistic, this is in part mostly due to the team having a firmly entrenched starter in Ben, and a couple of vets in Batch & Leftwich who the FO have great confidence in. That said, at some point, players get old, and now might be the time to add a young QB to the roster.

Secondly, TE. Under Tomlin & Colbert, only 3 TE's have been drafted, and one of those was shifted to FB (Johnson). The argument for the firmly entrenched starter can be used again, as Heath Miller has held the #1 job for some time. That said, it might be time to add a younger body to the mix.

Third- NT. This one has been Chadman's bugbear for a while, as Casey Hampton did not do as instructed and get younger. He in fact, got older. And it was only in 2012, in the 4th round, that the Steelers thought about adding a player through the draft for the NT position. Now, to be fair, the Steelers did pick up UDFA McLendon, and recently added Fangupo to the roster- but for such a vital 3-4 position, to wait until 2012 to address the situation is, at best, cutting it fine. Even then, there are still question marks about all 3 options. It's not out of the world of possibility, that a NT could be drafted high in 2013.

Free Safety & Strong Safety- we can add these two positions together for the 4th & 5th point, as they play a similar role & are, by Troy Polamalu's admission, almost interchangable spots for the Steelers. Since 2007, the Steelers have added 1 Safety in Ryan Mundy through the draft. The fact that both Troy & Clark are entering the twilight of their careers & there are no suitable replacements on the roster in place goes a long way to showing what Chadman thinks about the preparation & time invested into the Safety position.

Chadman
02-10-2013, 10:50 PM
Well, are there other trends to follow?

Of course there are!

Easy one to go here-
2007- Round 1- Defense
2008- Round 1- Offense
2009- Round 1- Defense
2010- Round 1- Offense
2011- Round 1- Defense
2012- Round 1- Offense
2013- Round 1- ?

2012- Round 1- Senior (22yo)
2011- Round 1- Senior- (21yo)
2010- Round 1- Junior- (20yo)
2009- Round 1- Senior- (22yo)
2008- Round 1- Junior- (20yo)
2007- Round 1- Junior- (20yo)

Keyplay1
02-11-2013, 02:17 AM
Nearly 100% Div I schools. Never noticed that before. It's pretty much the same going back the entire decade.

Talk about mis-perceptions. I always liked to think the team was finding hidden gems where no one thought to look. Not so. That was only because I had no idea some of these lesser known schools were actually Div 1 schools. For example: Ike Taylor. I figured TS found him hiding under a bush in some remote school in LA. Not so, Louisiana-Lafayette is also a Div 1 school. Same with Antonio Brown Central Michigan has grown into a Div I school.

I guess it makes no diff where the players come from as long as they can play.

But it is surprising that there are no Div II schools on that list.[Not sure]

However, it is nice to see that there are at least 2 players from Div II schools in mocks. Keith Pough and David Bass.

zachintosh66
02-11-2013, 02:06 PM
Restructuring:

Ed Buchette was saying were not gonna be able to restructutre guys like we did last year and save a bunch of $. Only ones it would be feasable were: Heath, AB, Wood, Timmons, Ike.

What do we think about extending Ben... yes he has 3 years left. But he has a huge # this year and Buchette says we really wouldnt have the room to re-do him again. So what if we just extended him. We could surely drop a lot of his cap 3 from this year...

Chadman
02-11-2013, 05:59 PM
Restructuring:

Ed Buchette was saying were not gonna be able to restructutre guys like we did last year and save a bunch of $. Only ones it would be feasable were: Heath, AB, Wood, Timmons, Ike.

What do we think about extending Ben... yes he has 3 years left. But he has a huge # this year and Buchette says we really wouldnt have the room to re-do him again. So what if we just extended him. We could surely drop a lot of his cap 3 from this year...

Wouldn't argue that there's only a few viable 'restructuring' options. Not even sure you could include Taylor in the restructuring possibilities, to be honest.

Extending Ben....yes. Given the situation, cap-wise, and the projection that it's not going to be drastically better next season, the Steelers need to find a way to reduce Ben's cap hit. He's 32, for a RB or a CB- that'd be a problem. But for a QB... they could feasably get another 6 years out of Ben. The key is to not have a $20m cap hit as a 38 year old..some creative contract structuring may be required.

Chadman
02-11-2013, 07:12 PM
Browns | Some believe Mike Wallace will join team (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838454-browns-some-believe-mike-wallace-will-join-team)
Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:06:22 -0800
Some people in the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) organization believe that impending free-agent WR Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20873/nfl/mike-wallace) will sign with the Cleveland Browns (http://www.kffl.com/team/13/nfl/cleveland-browns) this offseason.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=1#ixzz2KdRQ9w3T

Chadman
02-11-2013, 07:13 PM
Steelers | Two expected to have contracts restructured (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838414-steelers-two-expected-to-have-contracts-restructured)
Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:29:21 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are expected to ask QB Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.kffl.com/player/9341/nfl/ben-roethlisberger) and SS Troy Polamalu (http://www.kffl.com/player/5973/nfl/troy-polamalu) to restructure their contracts this offseason in order to create some salary cap space.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=1#ixzz2KdReeNYM

Chadman
02-11-2013, 07:15 PM
Steelers | Willie Colon's contract too rich (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838368-steelers-willie-colon's-contract-too-rich)
Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:12:49 -0800
Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) OG Willie Colon (http://www.kffl.com/player/14749/nfl/willie-colon)'s base salary jumps from $700,000 in 2012 to $5.5 million in 2013, and as a result he's likely to be released in the offseason.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=3#ixzz2KdS5CXP2

Chadman
02-11-2013, 11:43 PM
What we might do next is try & identify what physical characteristics the Steelers look for in a player, by position, and see if there is any sort of pattern to be found there.

Starting at the top, we'll look at QB. Now, quite frankly, this will be tough to evaluate, simply because they have only drafted 1 QB during the Tomlin/Colbert regime, but we'll look at what Dennis Dixon offered physically, as well as 2 QB's that Tomlin has looked at during draft time- Pat White & Kirk Cousins.


DENNIS DIXON:
College- Oregon (PAC 12)
6'3" 195lbs
40 Yard- 4.58


PAT WHITE:
College- West Virginia (BIG 12)
6'0" 197lbs
40 Yard- 4.46
Broad Jump- 9'09"
Vertical- 35
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.42
3 Cone- 7.06

KIRK COUSINS:
College- Michigan State (BIG 10)
6'3" 214lbs
40 Yard- 4.73
Broad Jump- 9'01"
Vertical- 28.5
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.50
3 Cone- 7.05


With such a small sample to work with, it's difficult to find too many common characteristics to work with, but not impossible.

Unfortunately for our purposes, Dennis Dixon was injured at this time in 2008 & missed a lot of the potential measurables.

Here's what we can tell, however- the QB will be from one of the bigger college conferences (Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12), the QB will be reasonably fast (4.5ish is around the mark), the QB should be able to Broad Jump over 9', 20 Yard Shuttle around the 4.5 mark, 3 Cone around the 7 seconds mark.

Since 2007 at the Combine, these results would put the targetted Steeler QB at:

40 Yard- around the 5th-10th fastest
Broad Jump- Outside of the Top 10
20 Yard Shuttle- Outside the Top 10
3 Cone- Outside the Top 10.

So what have we learned? Well, the results indicate that the Combine will give us little indication as to who the Steelers might target. The more likely common thread to follow will be strength of college competition.

This could be the toughest position to evaluate with statistics. :D

2013 COMBINE RESULTS-

40 Yard (4.7s or faster)
Geno Smith West Virginia- 4.59
EJ Manual Florida St- 4.65
Matt Scott Arizona- 4.69

Broad Jump (Over 9' or 108")
Geno Smith West Virginia- 124"
EJ Manual Florida St- 118"
Matt Scott Arizona- 118"
James Vandenberg Iowa- 116"
Landry Jones Oklahoma- 115"
Colby Cameron Louisiana Tech- 112"
Brad Sorenson Southern Utah- 112"
Tyler Wilson Arkansas- 112"
Marqueis Gray Minnesota- 111"
Collin Klein Kansas St- 111"

20 Yard Shuttle (4.5 or faster)
Matt Scott Arizona- 3.99
EJ Manual Florida St- 4.21
Colby Cameron Louisiana Tech- 4.28
Marquies Gray Minnesota- 4.3
Landry Jones Oklahoma- 4.3
Tyler Wilson Arkansas- 4.39
Collin Klein Kansas St- 4.4

3 Cone Drill (7 seconds or faster)
Matt Scott Arizona- 6.69
James Vandenberg Iowa- 6.95
Colby Cameron Louisiana Tech- 6.98

Chadman
02-12-2013, 01:35 AM
The next position to look at will be RB. This will be easier to assess if there is a pattern to follow, as the Steelers have selected several RB's during the Tomlin/Colbert regime..

CHRIS RAINEY:
College- Florida (SEC)
5'8" 180lbs
40 Yard- 4.35 (Pro Day)
Bench Press- 16
Vertical- 36.5
Broad Jump- 10'00"
20 Yard Shuttle- 3.93
3 Cone- 6.5

BARON BATCH:
College- Texas Tech (BIG 12)
5'10" 207lbs
40 Yard- 4.5 (Pro Day)
Bench Press- 24
Vertical- 39
Broad Jump- 10'06"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.32
3 Cone- 7.03

JONATHAN DWYER:
College- Georgia Tech (ACC)
5'11" 229lbs
40 Yard- 4.51 (Pro Day)
Bench Press- 18
Vertical- 33
Broad Jump- 8'11"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.29 (Pro Day)
3 Cone- 7.31

FRANK SUMMERS:
College- UNLV (Mountain West)
5'09" 241lbs
40 Yard- 4.63
Bench Press- 30
Vertical- 34.5
Broad Jump- 9'04"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.35
3 Cone- 7.23

RASHARD MENDENHALL:
College- Illinois (BIG 10)
5'10" 225lbs
40 Yard- 4.41
Bench Press- 26
Vertical- 33.5
Broad Jump- 9'09"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.18
3 Cone- N/A

ISAAC REDMAN:
College- Bowie State
5'11" 228lbs
40 Yard- 4.64

Ok, so we have a decent sample size to work with here. Let's look at some comparable stats..

Height- between 5'8" & 5'11". Steelers seem to favour the more compact type RB.

Weight- Depends on the role they play. Given that the weights vary between 180lbs & 241lbs, it's safe to say that the Steelers are not adverse to either smaller or larger RB's, depending on the style of play they bring.

40 Yard- Obviously Rainey was FAST. On the other end of the spectrum, Summers & Redman were SLOW. The happy medium seems to be around the 4.4 to 4.5 mark. The closer to 4.4, the higher the player gets drafted. Historically, since 2007, a 'Top 10' 40 time for RB's is around the 4.4 or higher mark. It's reasonable to assume that while the Steelers appreciate speed (Rainey), a more 'averaged' speed RB is not viewed badly by the organisation.

Bench- Rainey &, surprisingly, Dwyer failed to hit 20 reps, while Mendenhall & Batch put in useful numbers around mid 20's. Summers was the highest at 30. Since 2007, 32 reps has been the highest achieved bench for a RB. Top 10 numbers round out at 28 reps. Given that only Frank Summers fits into the 'Top 10' range, that bench press is not necessarily a measurable the Steelers view essential. Anything around the 23-25 rep mark would certainly be a pass for the Steelers.

Vertical- With numbers ranging from 33.5 to 39, the vertical jump is a fairly consistant measurable. If you break down the Combine numbers since 2007, the lowest vertical of 33.5 for the Steelers would get Mendenhall into the bottom of the Top 10 for the year. Numbers higher than that certainly jump a player higher up the order. Given that the Steelers RB's are all very good at Vertical's, let's assume this is a prime measurable.

Broad Jump- With numbers ranging from 8'11" through to just past 10', we can safely assume a broad jump at around the 9' area to be the taget range- higher obviously being better. Given that 10' or thereabouts is generally the bottom of the 'Top 10', it's safe to say that the Steelers don't value broad jump as highly as they do vertical.

20 Yard Shuttle- Rainey was clearly exceptional running below 4 seconds, but the others seem to fit in the 4.2 to 4.3 range. This drill tests agility & cutting ability, so it's safe to say, this is a drill to watch. Here's a bit of info for you- both Rainey & Mendenhall topped their class at 20 Yard shuttle. On top of that, 4.3 is about the cutoff for the Top 15 in each year since 2007. It's safe to assume that this, along with Vertical Jump, is a prime measurable.

3 Cone- Again, Rainey was exceptional here. Batch was pretty good around 7 seconds, while the bigger guys (Dwyer & Summers) were not surprisingly, slower at around 7.3 seconds. Rainey holds the record for 3 Cone results at the Combine since 2007. Around the 7.2 range is generally the cutoff for the Top 15, so Batch- had he been invited to the Combine- would certainly have made the grade. Mendenhall didn't test in the 3 cone drill.

So, what did we learn? Well, the Vertical Jump is a measurement of a player's 'explosiveness', while the 20 yard shuttle tests a players agility. Given that the Steelers value these 2 measurables highest, come Combine time, we can use these 2 tests to get an indication of who the Steelers might look at.

As a quick reference guide, pre-draft, we want to see a prospect:

Run around 4.5 or higher.

Bench around 20-25 reps.

Test VERY well in the Vertical Jump- around 35'.

Be competant in the Broad Jump.

Excel at the 20 yard shuttle. (Between 4 sec & 4.3 sec)

Excel at the 3 cone test. (Around the 7-7.2 sec)

COMBINE RESULTS 2013:

40 Yard (4.55 or faster)
Onterrio McCalebb Auburn- 4.34
Knile Davis Arkansas- 4.37
Kerwynn Williams Utah State- 4.48
Jonathon Franklin UCLA- 4.49
Michael Ford LSU- 4.50
Kenjon Barner Oregon- 4.52
DJ Harper Boise St- 4.52
Giovani Bernard North Carolina- 4.53
Mike James Miami (FL)- 4.53
Christine Michael Texas A&M- 4.54
Mike Gillislee Florida- 4.55
Zac Stacy Vanderbilt- 4.55
Matthew Tucker TCU- 4.55

Bench Press (20+ Reps)
Knile Davis Arkansas- 31
Mike James Miami (FL)- 28
Christine Michael Texas A&M- 27
Zac Stacy Vanderbilt- 27
Michael Ford LSU- 25
LeVeon Bell Michigan St- 24
DJ Harper Boise St- 23
George Wynn Cincinnatti- 22
Rex Burkhead Nebraska- 21
Christopher Thompson Florida St- 21
Kenjon Barner Oregon- 20
Jawan Jamison Rutgers- 20
Miguel Maysonet Stony Brook- 20

Vertical Jump (35" or higher)
Christine Michael Texas A&M- 43"
Rex Burkhead Nebraska- 39"
Michael Ford LSU- 38.5"
Cierre Wood Notre Dame- 37.5"
Kenjon Barner Oregon- 35.5"
Matthew Tucker TCU- 35.5"
Mike James Miami (FL)- 35"
Joseph Randle Oklahoma- 35"
Kerwynn Williams Utah St- 35"

Broad Jump (10' or longer)
Michael Ford LSU- 10'10"
Rex Burkhead Nebraska- 10'5"
Christine Michael Texas A&M- 10'5"
Cierre Wood Notre Dame- 10'4"
Joseph Randle Oklahoma St- 10'3"
Kenjon Barner Oregon- 10'2"
Giovani Bernard North Carolina- 10'2"
Andre Ellington Clemson- 10'2"
Zac Stacy Vanderbilt- 10'2"
Knile Davis Arkansas- 10'1"
Onterrio McCalebb Auburn- 10'1"
DJ Harper Boise St- 10'00"

20 Yard Shuttle (4.3s or faster)
Christine Michael Texas A&M- 4.02
Rex Burkhead Nebraska- 4.09
CJ Anderson California- 4.12
Giovani Bernard North Carolina- 4.12
Kerwynn Williams Utah St- 4.15
Zac Stacy Vanderbilt- 4.17
Montel Harris Temple- 4.18
Kenjon Barner Oregon- 4.20
Ray Graham Pittsburgh- 4.21
LeVeon Bell Michigan St- 4.24
Michael Ford LSU- 4.25
Robbie Rouse Fresno St- 4.25


Nearly all the draftees ran faster than 7 seconds in the 3 cone drill, so we'll assume that nearly all prospects pass this criteria.

Chadman
02-12-2013, 05:20 PM
Dolphins | Will pursue two wide receivers (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=838640-dolphins-will-pursue-two-wide-receivers)
Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:13:52 -0800
The Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl/miami-dolphins) will pursue free-agent WR's Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20873/nfl/mike-wallace) (Steelers) and Greg Jennings (http://www.kffl.com/player/13933/nfl/greg-jennings) (Packers) when free agency begins.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2KipoCW4w

Chadman
02-15-2013, 10:12 PM
Running the risk of not getting this done by Combine time....busy week ahead... fingers crossed!

WR's are next:

DALLAS BAKER:
College- Florida
6'3" 208lbs
40 Yard- 4.53
Bench Press- N/A
Vertical- 36"
Broad Jump- 10'09"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.19
3 Cone- 6.69

LIMAS SWEED:
College- Texas
6'4" 215lbs
40 Yard- 4.48
Bench Press- N/A
Vertical- 35"
Broad Jump- 10'08"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.33
3 Cone- 7.14

MIKE WALLACE:
College- Mississippi
6'1" 199lbs
40 Yard- 4.28
Bench Press- 14
Vertical- 40"
Broad Jump- 10'09"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.27
3 Cone- 6.90

ANTONIO BROWN:
College- Central Michigan
5'10" 186lbs
40 Yard- 4.56
Bench Press- 13
Vertical- 33.5"
Broad Jump- 8'09"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.18
3 Cone- 6.98

EMMANUAL SANDERS:
College- Southern Methodist
5'11" 186lbs
40 Yard- 4.40
Bench Press- 12
Vertical- 39.5"
Broad Jump- 10'06"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.10
3 Cone- 6.64

TONEY CLEMONS:
College- Colorado
6'2" 210lbs
40 Yard- 4.40
Bench Press- 11
Vertical- 36"
Broad Jump- 10'08"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.33
3 Cone- 6.93

Breaking down these figures:

Size- contrary to popular belief, the Steelers have not focussed on shorter WR's, and have, in fact, under Tomlin/Colbert drafted more guys above 6' than under. That said, obviously they are not totally AGAINST drafting shorter players.

40 Yard- This is certainly one measurable to follow. Mike Wallace, Emmanual Sanders & Toney Clemons all finished in the top top 10 for their draft class in terms of 40 yard speed. Wallace is 5th overall since 2007. That Limas Sweed was drafted by the Steelers at all proves that 40 yard time is viewed, as all his other measurables fall short as far as Steeler history go. Dallas Baker & Antonio Brown are the only WR's not to break 4.5 & be drafted by the Steelers- and not surprisingly, both were drafted late.

Bench Press- None of the Steeler WR's even come close to a top 15 finish, so it's safe to say this is not a highly sought measurable.

Vertical- Here's one to follow. For every year that the Steelers have drafted a WR, the player selected has been either in, or just outside of, the top 15 WR's for the Vertical Jump. Both Sanders & Wallace were exceptional. Amazingly, our highest paid WR is the one that is the exception to the rule, once again. Jumping a vertical of around 35" is something to watch for. Interestingly- recently aquired WR Kashif Moore holds the Vertical record since 2007 with a jump of 43.5"- more fuel to the fire on this measurable.

Broad Jump- Mark this one down too. Sanders was #1 in his year, Wallace #4, Baker #6, Kashif Moore #4. Sweed & Clemons fell just short of the top 15, and again, Antonio Brown missed the mark (geez, he must have interviewed well!). Watch this drill closely- as Steeler WR targets come from high finishes, often. Look for something at 10' 05" or so as the guide.

20 Yard Shuttle- Kashif Moore is 10th overall since 2007 (4.05). Sanders once again tested off the charts in this drill, and finally Brown gets into the act, along with Dallas Baker. Surprisingly, Wallace missed the Top 15 (not by much though), perhaps giving some depth to the argument he is more of a straight line guy than agile. It's becoming increasingly unbelievable that Limas Sweed was ever drafted.. Given that the Steelers have 4 of the best 20 Yard Shuttle results drafted, let's put this down as another measurable to follow. Something in the 4.2 & lower range, certainly no higher.

3 Cone- Sanders sits 9th overall since 2007, and 2nd in his draft class. Mike Wallace got in at #15 for his year. Dallas Baker was 5th. Kashif Moore was 5th last year (6.82). Brown & Clemons were a little slower, and not surprisingly, drafted late. Sweed..... the figures don't look good for Sweed. This looks to be a moderate level measurable, like 40 yard, for the Steelers. It certainly doesn't hurt to be good here, put it that way.

A Recap of what to look for:

Size- Doesn't matter.
40 Yard- 4.5 or lower is preferrable
Bench- Don't bother watching.
Vertical- PRIORITY- Look for WR's that jump 35" or more.
Broad Jump- PRIORITY- Anything beyond 10'05" is interesting.
20 Yard Shuttle- PRIORITY- 4.2 seconds or lower is the target range.
3 Cone- 6.9 or lower is preferrable.

WR's to watch for should get high scores in at least 2 of Vertical, Broad & 20 yard. Look at the Top 10 or so guys in each of these.

Then take those players, and sift them through the 3 Cone & 40 Yard.

If a WR doesn't about 3 of the marks here, it's safe to remove them from your lists... unless the Steelers go all Limas Sweed on us again..

COMBINE RESULTS 2013:

40 Yard (4.5s or faster)
Marquise Goodwin Texas- 4.27
Tavon Austin West Virginia- 4.34
Ryan Swope Texas A&M- 4.34
Josh Boyce TCU- 4.38
Kenny Stills Oklahoma- 4.38
Cordarelle Patterson Tennessee- 4.42
Corey Fuller Virginia Tech- 4.43
Denard Robinson Michigan- 4.43
Justin Hunter Tennessee- 4.44
Markus Wheaton Oregon St- 4.45
Mark Harrison Rutgers- 4.46
Lanear Sampson Baylor- 4.46
Tavarres King Georgia- 4.47
Ryan Spadola Lehigh- 4.48
Tyrone Goard East Kentucky- 4.50

Vertical Jump (35" or higher)
Marcus Davis Virginia Tech- 39.5"
Justin Hunter Tennessee- 39.5"
DaRick Rogers Tennessee Tech- 39.5"
Mark Harrison Rutgers- 38.5"
Cordarelle Patterson Tennessee- 37"
Ryan Swope Texas A&M- 37"
Markus Wheaton Oregon St- 37"
Tavarres King Georgia- 36.5"
Denard Robinson Michigan- 36.5"
Tyrone Goard East Kentucky- 36"
DeAndre Hopkins Clemson- 36"
TJ Moe Missouri- 36"
Chris Harper Kansas St- 35.5"

Broad Jump (10'3" or higher)
Justin Hunter Tennessee- 11'4"
Marquise Goodwin Texas- 11'
DaRick Rogers Tennessee Tech- 11'
Josh Boyce TCU- 10'11"
Mark Harrison Rutgers- 10'9"
Cordarelle Patterson Tennessee- 10'8"
Ryan Swope Texas A&M- 10'5"
Conner Vernon Duke- 10'5"
Kenny Stills Oklahoma- 10'4"
Tyrone Goard East Kentucky- 10'3"
Tavarres King Georgia- 10'3"
Aaron Mellette Elon- 10'3"
Denard Robinson Michigan- 10'3"

20 Yard Shuttle (4.2s or faster)
TJ Moe Missouri- 3.96
Tavon Austin West Virginia- 4.01
Quinton Patton Louisianna Tech- 4.01
Markus Wheaton Oregon St- 4.02
DaRick Rogers Tennessee Tech- 4.06
Rodney Smith Florida St- 4.07
Ryan Spadola Lehigh- 4.07
Stedman Bailey West Virginia- 4.09
Josh Boyce TCU- 4.10
Alan Bonner Jacksonville- 4.15

3 Cone Drill (6.9s or faster)
TJ Moe Missouri- 6.53
Marquess Wilson Washington St- 6.65
Josh Boyce TCU- 6.68
DaRick Rogers Tennessee Tech- 6.71
Ryan Spadola Lehigh- 6.72
Ryan Swope Texas A&M- 6.76
Markus Wheaton Oregon St- 6.80
Stedman Bailey West Virginia- 6.81
Ace Sanders South Carolina- 6.81
Kenbrell Thompkins Cincinnatti- 6.88
Chris Harper Kansas St- 6.89
Tyrone Goard East Kentucky- 6.90

Chadman
02-15-2013, 10:46 PM
Moving forward, we'll now take a look at the Steelers OL draft choices under Tomlin/Colbert.

2007
OG Cameron Stephenson
College- Rutgers
6'3" 306lbs
40 Yard- 5.40
Bench- 34 (Tied 3rd at Combine)
Vertical- 28.5" (Equal 13th)
Broad- 8'05"
3-Cone- 7.72
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.81

2008
OT Tony Hills
College- Texas
6'5" 309lbs
40 Yard- 5.16
Bench- 24
Vertical- DNP
Broad- DNP
3-Cone- DNP
20 Yard Shuttle- DNP
(Hills was recovering from a significant lower leg injury & was limited in his workouts)

2009
OG Kraig Urbik
College- Wisconsin
6'5" 328lbs
40 Yard- 5.37
Bench- 29 (Equal 14th)
Vertical- 24"
Broad- 7'10"
3-Cone- 7.87
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.89

OC A.Q. Shipley
College- Penn St
6'1" 304lbs
40 Yard- 5.19
Bench- 33 (Equal 4th)
Vertical- 31" (Equal 6th)
Broad- 8'04"
3-Cone- 7.46 (Equal 4th)
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.40 (Equal 2nd)


2010-
OC Maurkice Pouncey
College- Florida
6'5" 304lbs
40 Yard- 5.25
Bench- 25
Vertical- 27"
Broad- 7'11"
3-Cone- 7.74
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.92

OG Chris Scott
College- Tennessee
6'5" 319lbs
40 Yard- 5.52
Bench- 19
Vertical- 22.5"
Broad- 7'06"
3-Cone- 8.24
20 Yard Shuttle- 5.03

2011
OT Marcus Gilbert
College- Florida
6'6" 330lbs
40 Yard- 5.41
Bench- 30 (Equal 6th)
Vertical- 30.5" (Equal 8th)
Broad- 8'02"
3-Cone- DNP
20 Yard Shuttle- 5.02

OG Keith Williams
College- Nebraska
6'4" 314lbs
40 Yard- 5.28
Bench- 23
Vertical- 24.5"
Broad- 7'09"
3-Cone- 8.42
20 Yard Shuttle- 5.03

2012

OG David DeCastro
College- Stanford
6'5" 315lbs
40 Yard- 5.43
Bench- 34
Vertical- 29.5"
Broad- 8'02"
3 Cone- 7.3
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.56

OT Mike Adams
College- Ohio St
6'7" 323lbs
40 Yard- 5.40
Bench- 19
Vertical- 28.5"
Broad- 8'04"
3 Cone- 7.94
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.95

OT Kelvin Beachum
College- Souther Methodist
6'3" 303lbs
40 Yard- 5.44
Bench- 19
Vertical- 28.5"
Broad- 8'05"
3 Cone- 7.79
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.80

40 Yard- No Steeler OL drafted has made the all-time top 15 OL. It's safe to say the Steelers have very little interest in watching fat men run.

Bench- DeCastro, Stephenson, Gilbert & Shipley all broke the top 15 OL in bench press in their respective classes. On the other hand, Beachum, Adams & Scott couldn't break 20 reps. This looks a more likely stat to follow for Interior OL moreso that OT's.

Vertical- Only DeCastro & Shipley broke into the top guys for their years. safe to assume this is not an important stat to follow.

Broad- No Steeler draft pick broke the top 15 in any of their years.

3 Cone- DeCastro is 6th overall since 2007. 1st overall in his year. Shipley is the only other Steeler draft pick to feature.

20 Yard Shuttle- Shipley is 6th overall. Not surprisingly, the only other Steeler to feature is... DeCastro.

What this tells us is that, more than any other position, OL measurables are not as important to the Steelers as game tape, interviews & drills.

Offensive Tackles

Reid Fragel (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1664305/reid-fragel), OT, Ohio State: 33 reps
Vinston Painter (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1630592/vinston-painter), OT, Virginia Tech: 32
Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff: 31
Luke Marquardt, OT, Asuza-Pacific: 31
J.C. Tretter (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/2029203/jc-tretter), OT, Cornell: 29
David Bakhtiari (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1665265/david-bakhtiari), OT, Colorado: 28
Rogers Gaines, OT, Tennessee State: 28
Garrett Gilkey (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1888792/garrett-gilkey), OT, Chadron State: 28
Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma: 28
Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M: 27 reps
Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan: 27
David Quessenberry (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1754579/david-quessenberry), OT, San Jose State: 25
Manase Foketi (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1737065/manase-foketi), OT, West Texas A&M: 25
Jason Weaver, OT, Southern Miss: 23
D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama: 21
Ricky Wagner (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1695592/ricky-wagner), OT, Wisconsin: 20
Mark Jackson (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1272544/mark-jackson), OT, Glenville State: 20
Jamaal Johnson (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1694808/jamaal-johnson)-Webb, OT, Alabama A&M: 17

Offensive Guards

Eric Herman, OG, Ohio: 36 reps
Jonathan Cooper (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1695617/jonathan-cooper), OG, 35
Lamar Mady, OG, Youngstown State: 35
Zach Allen (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1695585/zach-allen), OG, North Carolina State: 32
Chris Barker (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1631260/chris-barker), OG, Nevada: 29
Larry Warford (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1700747/larry-warford), OG, Kentucky: 28
Edmund Kugbila, OG, Valdosta State: 23
Brian Winters (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1691349/brian-winters), OG, Kent State: *unable to finish due to strained pectoral

Centers

T.J. Johnson (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1689509/tj-johnson), OC, South Carolina: 32 reps
Brian Schwenke (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1679911/brian-schwenke), OC, California: 31
PJ Lonergan, OC, LSU: 25
Khaled Holmes (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/draft/players/1631885/khaled-holmes), OC, USC: *unable to finish due to strained pectoral

Chadman
02-16-2013, 10:04 PM
Next Up, we'll look at NT..

Casey Hampton
College- Texas
6'1" 314lbs
40 Yard- 5.25
Bench- 34 Reps


Steve McLendon
College- Troy
6'2" 306lbs
40 Yard- 5.15
Bench- 31 Reps
Vertical- 29.5"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.45
3-Cone- 7.35

Alameda Ta'amu
College- Washington
6'3" 248lbs
40 Yard- 5.37
Bench- 35
Vertical- 26"
Broad- 8'07"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.72
3 Cone- 7.52

Hebron Fangupo
College- BYU
6'1" 323lbs
40 Yard- 5.18
Bench- 36
Vertical- 31.5"
Broad- 8'03"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.62
3 Cone- 7.94

Although it seems unlikely the Steelers will explore the NT option this draft, it's not completely off the radar either. What is more interesting is the success we had with this 'history system' last season- we concluded that the Steelers look for NT's that are 6'1"- 6'3", sit between 300lbs- 340lbs, lift the bench at minimum 30+, have a Vertical around the 30" range & run the 3 Cone in and around 7.35.

In all the Combine results, Fangupo & Ta'amu were within one to 2 names of being right on the mark- sometimes better, sometimes just a touch worse.

If the Steelers are to look at a NT, the Combine numbers we looked at last year would seem the likely ones to follow again.

2013 COMBINE RESULTS:

BENCH: (30+ Reps)
Brandon Williams- Missouri Southern St- 38
Akeem Spence- Illinois- 37
Josh Boyd- Mississippi St- 32
John Jenkins- Georgia- 30
Chris Jones- Bowling Green- 30
Bennie Logan- LSU- 30
Sheldon Richardson- Missouri- 30
Jesse Williams- Alabama- 30

VERTICAL JUMP: (27" or higher)
Nick Williams- Samford- 33"
Jared Smith- New Hampshire- 32.5"
Sheldon Richardson- Missouri- 32"
Everett Dawkins- Florida St- 30"
Sharrif Floyd- Florida- 30"
Akeem Spence- Illinois- 30"
Brandon Williams- Missouri Southern St- 29.5"
Cory Grissom- South Florida- 27.5"

3 CONE DRILL: (7.6 or faster)
Josh Boyd- Mississippi St- 7.16
Jared Smith- New Hampshire- 7.20
Chris Jones- Bowling Green- 7.34
Sharrif Floyd- Florida- 7.40
Jared Hill- Penn St- 7.49
Bennie Logan- LSU- 7.53
Nick Williams- Samford- 7.55
Johnathan Hankins- Ohio St- 7.59

Chadman
02-16-2013, 10:09 PM
And moving on- DE

1. Cameron Heyward- 2011
6'5" 295lb
40 Yard- 4.95
Vertical- 35"

Cameron was recovering from surgery and was, as a result, unable to perform certain tasks. Of note- both Mike Tomlin & Bad Word LeBeau attended his Pro Day.

2. Doug Worthington- 2010 7th Round pick
6'5" 292lb
40 Yard- 5.02
Bench- 19 Reps
Vertical- 35.5"
Broad- 10'01"

3. Ziggy Hood- 2009 1st Round pick
6'3" 300lb
40 Yard- 4.83
Bench- 34 Reps (4th at Combine)
Vertical- 33" (12th at Combine)
Broad- 9'00"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.55
3 Cone- 7.50

4. RaShon Harris- 2009 6th Round pick
6'4" 298lb
40 Yard- 5.05
Bench- 28 Reps
Vertical- 25.5"
Broad- 10'06"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.87
3 Cone- 8.18

5. Ryan McBean- 2007 4th Round pick
6'5" 286lb
40 Yard- 4.98
Bench- 27 reps
Vertical- 28"
Broad- 9'00"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.46
3 Cone- 7.79


6'5"ish is about the right height for a Steelers DE. Add to these players Aaron Smith & Brett Keisel, and the trend continues.

Add to the height, a weight of around 290lb-300lb is ideal. Again, when you include both Smith & Keisel you start to see a trend.

Speed-wise, it seems that around 5.00 is acceptable for the Steelers. It's quite possible that this stat means very little.

Bench- It would appear a mark of high 20's to 30's is about the target. Interesting that Ziggy should have the highest Rep count- we don't assosciate Ziggy with his playing strength in general, but we all know he is weight room strong

Vertical- both the vertical & broad jump should indicate a level of explosiveness. No surprise that both Hood & Heyward excelled here, where later round picks like Harris & McBean were not as impressive.

Broad- See Vertical. Ziggy didn't jump as well as the Steelers seem to like- but could this be partly due to being shorter & stumpy?

20 Yard Shuttle & 3-Cone- These tests tend to try & show agility. No surprise that Ziggy should test well here as he seems quite shifty in his play. Surprisingly...or perhaps not seeing as how he now starts for the Broncos- Ryan McBean was not far off Hood on measurables.

So what did we learn? Steelers 3-4 DE's should be up around the 6'5", 290lb area, be able to run at around 5.00, bench around 27-30 (higher is good), jump up around 30". Higher the jump- higher the draft round. That appears to be the main criterea for Steelers 3-4 DE draft picks.

COMBINE RESULTS 2013: (A couple of players that appeared under NT may reappear in the DE Stats. Only players 275lbs & higher will be considered options as 3-4 DE. Only players 6'3" & taller will be considered DE.)

40 YARD- (5.00 or faster)
Margus Hunt- SMU- 4.60
Datone Jones- UCLA- 4.80
Lavar Edwards- LSU- 4.80
Malliciah Goodman- Clemson- 4.87
Shariff Floyd- Florida- 4.92
Nick Williams- Samford- 4.94
William Gholston- Clemson- 4.96


BENCH: (27 Reps or Higher)
Margus Hunt- SMU- 38
Datone Jones- UCLA- 29
Jared Smith- New Hampshire- 28
Nick Williams- Samford- 28

VERTICAL: (30" or higher)
Margus Hunt- SMU- 34.5"
Lavar Edwards- LSU- 33"
Nick Williams- Samford- 33"
Jared Smith- New Hampshire- 32.5"
Malliciah Goodman- Clemson- 31.5"
Datone Jones- UCLA- 31.5"
Shariff Floyd- Florida- 30"

Chadman
02-16-2013, 10:28 PM
Next on our list of Breakdowns will be "The Linebackers".

We won't seperate ILB from OLB because, essentially, they are not seperated at the Combine.

A look at the Steelers LB's selected under Tomlin-Colbert-

1. Lawrence Timmons- 2007 Round 1
6'1" 234lbs
40 Yard- 4.66
Bench- 25 Reps
Vertical- 35"
Broad- 10'03"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.32
3 Cone- 6.92

2. LaMarr Woodley- 2007 Round 2
6'2" 266lbs
40 Yard- 4.74
Bench- 29 Reps
Vertical- 38.5"
Broad- 9'9"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.42

3. Bruce Davis- 2008 Round 3
6'3" 252lbs
40 Yard- 4.78
Bench- 19 Reps
Vertical- 29"
Broad- 9'01"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.47
3 Cone- 7.34

4. Mike Humpal- 2008 Round 6
6'3" 244lbs
40 Yard- 4.82
Bench- 20 Reps
Vertical- 31"
Broad- 9'11"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.25
3 Cone- 7.07

5. Jason Worilds- 2010 Round 2
6'1" 254lbs
40 Yard- 4.51
Bench- 24 Reps
Vertical- 38"
Broad-
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.29
3 Cone- 6.95

6. Thaddeus Gibson- 2010 Round 4
6'2" 243lbs
40 Yard- 4.58
Bench- 32 Reps
Vertical-
Broad-
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.27
3 Cone- 6.84

7. Stevenson Sylvester- 2010 Round 5
6'2" 231lbs
40 Yard- 4.71
Bench- 23 reps
Vertical- 30.5"
Broad- 8'09"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.50
3 Cone- 7.22

8. Chris Carter- 2011 Round 5
6'1" 248lbs
40 Yard- 4.66
Bench- 27 Reps
Vertical- 36"
Broad- 9'06"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.34
3 Cone- 6.88

9. Sean Spence- 2012 Round 3
College- Miami
5'11" 231lbs
40 Yard- 4.71
Bench- 12
Vertical- 33.5"
Broad- 9'11"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.28
3 Cone- 7.46

Looking at those figures:

Height/Weight- The Steelers tend to avoid LB's that are too tall, or too heavy. In and around 6'0" appears to be the ideal height & 230-240lbs seems the Steelers target. This could be a leverage/agility reason, as the Steelers seem to be moving toward LB's that can cover TE's more during the Tomlin/Colbert era.

40 Yard- Between 4.6 & 4.7 seems to be about the right mark. Obviously, there are exceptions- generally lower, like Worilds who timed exceedingly well at 4.51.

Bench- The Steelers don't appear to have any strict guideline to the benchpress, but around 25 or so reps appears to be the norm. Obviously Spence finished well short of that, and got drafted anyway- but he claims to have been lifting with a damaged wrist, and normally puts up atound 20 reps. Might be worth disregarding this as a guide.

Vertical- vertical tests a players explosion, and it's no surprise that the Steelers value this highly. Look for players that jump 30" MINIMUM, and more towards the mid-30" range. Again, Jason Worilds tested out of this world.

Broad- Also tests a players explosion, and a broad jump of 9' & further is the area the Steelers tend to look.

20 Yard Shuttle- Again, another to watch. Tests a players agility- important if a LB is going to be dropped into coverage. The Steelers tend to look at players that test between 4.2 & 4.45 or so.

3 Cone- Like the Shuttle, this will test a players agility. Look for players that test between the 6.8 & 7 second range- or lower obviously.


2013 COMBINE RESULTS:

40 Yard- 4.7s or faster:
Zaviar Gooden Missouri- 4.47
Cornelius Washington Georgia- 4.55
Trevardo Williams Connecticut- 4.57
Barkevious Mingo LSU- 4.58
Dion Jordan Oregon- 4.60
Corey Lemonier Auburn- 4.60
Jon Bostic Florida- 4.61
Ziggy Ansah BYU- 4.63
Jamie Collins Southern Mississippi- 4.64
Ty Powell Harding- 4.64
Sio Moore Connecticut- 4.65
AJ Klein Iowa- 4.66
Brandon Hepburn Florida A&M- 4.68
Jonathan Stewart Texas A&M- 4.68
Alec Ogletree Georgia- 4.70

Bench Press: 25 reps or higher
Cornelius Washington Georgia- 36
Stansly Maponga TCU- 30
Trevardo Williams Connecticut- 30
Sio Moore Connecticut- 29
Cornellius Carradine Florida St- 28
Michael Mauti Penn St- 28
Zaviar Gooden Missouri- 27
Jelani Jenkins Florida- 27
Corey Lemonier Auburn- 27
John Lotulelei UNLV- 25
Kevin Minter LSU- 25
Bjoern Werner Florida St- 25
Tourek Williams Florida International- 25

Vertical Jump- 34" or higher
Jamie Collins Southern Mississippi- 41.5"
Cornelius Washington Georgia- 39"
Sio Moore Connecticut- 38"
Trevardo Williams Connecticut- 38"
Barkevious Mingo LSU- 37"
John Lotulelei UNLV- 35.5"
Damontre Moore Texas A&M- 35.5"
Sean Porter Taxas A&M- 35.5"
Devin Taylor South Carolina- 35"
Nate Williams Ohio St- 35"
Ziggy Ansah BYU- 34.5"
Sam Montgomery LSU- 34.5"
Zaviar Gooden Missouri- 34"
Paul Kruger Utah- 34"


Broad Jump- 9'5" or further
Jamie Collins Southern Mississippi- 11'7"
Zaviar Gooden Missouri- 10'11"
Barkevious Mingo LSU- 10'8"
Devon Taylor South Carolina- 10'8"
Cornelius Washington Georgia- 10'8"
Sio Moore Connecticut- 10'7"
Brandon Hepburn Florida A&M- 10'4"
Trevardo Williams Connecticut- 10'2"
Dion Jordan Oregon- 10'2"
Damontre Moore Texas A&M- 10'2"
Alec Ogletree Georgia- 10'2"
Ty Powell Harding- 10'2"
Gerald Hodges Penn St- 9'11"
Corey Lemonier Auburn- 9'11"
Kevin Minter LSU- 9'11"
Sean Porter Texas A&M- 9'11"
Ziggy Ansah BYU- 9'10"
Steve Beauharnais Rutgers- 9'10"
Jon Bostic Florida- 9'10"
Armonty Bryant East Central- 9'10"
Nick Moody Florida St- 9'10"
Keith Pough Howard- 9'10"
Jonathan Stewart Taxas A&M- 9'10"
Sam Barrington South Florida- 9'9"
Joe Kruger Utah- 9'9"
John Lotulelei UNLV- 9'9"
Arthur Brown Kansas St- 9'8"
Khaseem Greene Rutgers- 9'8"
Bruce Taylor Virginia Tech- 9'7"
Brandon Magee Arizona St- 9'6"
Sam Montgomery LSU- 9'6"
Etienne Sabino Ohio St- 9'6"
Mike Buchanan Illinois- 9'5"
Devonte Holloman South Carolina- 9'5"
AJ Klein Iowa- 9'5"
Kevin Riddick North Carolina- 9'5"
Manti Te'o Notre Dame- 9'5"
Chase Thomas Stanford- 9'5"
Nate Williams Ohio St- 9'5"

20 Yard Shuttle- 4.4s or faster:
Zaviar Gooden Missouri- 4.18
Steve Beauharnias Rutgers- 4.20
Khaseem Green Rutgers- 4.20
Jon Bostic Florida- 4.24
Ziggy Ansah BYU- 4.26
Devonte Holloman South Carolina- 4.26
Manti Te'o Notre Dame- 4.27
John Lotulelei UNLV- 4.30
Devin Taylor South Carolina- 4.30
Sio Moore Connecticut- 4.31
Chase Thomas Stanford- 4.31
Jamie Collins Souther Mississippi- 4.32
David Bass Missouri Western- 4.33
Dion Jordan Oregon- 4.35
Barkevious Mingo LSU- 4.39
Alec Ogletree Georgia- 4.39
Bruce Taylor Virginia Tech- 4.39
Corey Lemonier Auburn- 4.40
Ty Powell Harding- 4.40
Bjoern Werner Florida St- 4.40


3 Cone Drill- 7s or faster
Zaviar Gooden Missouri- 6.71
Barkevious Mingo LSU- 6.84
Devin Taylor South Carolina- 6.89
Michael Buchanan Illinois- 6.91
John Lotulelei UNLV- 6.91
Ty Powell Harding- 6.98
Steve Beauharnias Rutgers- 6.99
Jon Bostic Florida- 6.99
Nate Williams Ohio St- 6.99

Chadman
02-16-2013, 10:35 PM
Safeties:

Would you believe, under the Tomlin-Colbert regime, the Steelers have only ever drafted 1 safety? It's true- Ryan Mundy. This will make analysing Safeties a little difficult, so Chadman will add in Troy Polamalu's stats, as well as a couple of other Safeties we've seen in Pittsburgh in that time just to get a clearer picture on what the Steelers look for, athletically.

SAFETIES-
2008
Ryan Mundy
6'1 215lbs
40 Yard- 4.55
Bench- 21 Reps
Vertical- 36"
Broad- 10'10"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.33
3-Cone- 6.81

Troy Polamalu
5'10" 206lbs
40 Yard- 4.35
Bench- 29 Reps
Vertical- 43"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.06
3-Cone- 6.75

Will Allen
6'1" 202lbs
40 Yard- 4.58
Vertical- 36"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.25
3-Cone- 7.06

Damon Cromartie-Smith
6'2" 206lbs
40 Yard- 4.56
Bench- 20 Reps
Vertical- 32"
Broad- 9'09"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.47
3-Cone- 7.24

Robert Golden
5'11" 201lbs
40 Yard- 4.51
Bench- 19
Vertical- 37.5"
Broad- 9'05"
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.40
3 Cone- 7.04


Obviously Troy was a workout freak, and it's unfair to include his numbers when looking for some kind of pattern. What we can work out from Mundy, Allen & Cromartie-Smith is that, normally, the Steelers look for-
Height/Weight- Around 6' to 6'2" and about 200lbs
40 Yard- 4.5 seems about right.
Bench- 20 Reps seems about right.
Vertical- Mid 30" area seems the likely target
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.3 to 4.5 looks the target range
3-Cone- It seems the Steelers will look as high as 7.2, but Mundy/Polamalu are well under 7.2. We'll say 7 as the cut-off.

2013 COMBINE RESULTS:
40 Yard: 4.55 or faster
Shamarko Thomas Syracuse- 4.42
Earl Wolffe North Carolina St- 4.44
Shawn Williams Georgia- 4.46
Eric Reid LSU- 4.53
Matt Elam Florida- 4.54
Keelan Johnson Arizona St- 4.54

Bench- 20 Reps or higher
Shamarko Thomas Syracuse- 28
John Boyett Oregon- 27
Shawn Williams Georgia- 25
Daimion Stafford Nebraska- 21

Vertical Jump- 35" or higher
Eric Reid LSU- 40.5"
Shamarko Thomas Syracuse- 40.5"
TJ McDonald USC- 40"
Earl Wolffe North Carolina St- 39"
John Cyprien Florida Int- 38.5"
Kenny Vaccaro Texas- 38"
DJ Swearinger South Carolina- 37"
Keelan Johnson Arizona St- 36.5"
Rontez Miles California (PA)- 36.5"
Jawanza Starling USC- 36"
Shawn Williams Georgia- 36"
Matt Elam Florida- 35.5"
Zeke Motta Notre Dame- 35.5"
Phillip Thomas Fresno St- 35"
JJ Wilcox Georgia Southern- 35"

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.3s or faster
Kenny Vaccaro Texas- 4.06
Keelan Johnson Arizona St- 4.07
Earl Wolffe North Carolina St- 4.07
JJ Wilcox Georgia Southern- 4.09
Josh Evans Florida- 4.10
DJ Swearinger South Carolina- 4.11
Zeke Motta Notre Dame- 4.16
Micah Hyde Iowa- 4.20
TJ McDonald USC- 4.20
Eric Reid LSU- 4.22
Shawn Williams Georgia- 4.25
Shamarko Thomas Syracuse- 4.26
Rontez Miles California (PA)- 4.27

3 Cone Drill: 7s or faster
Josh Evans Florida- 6.64
Jawanza Starling USC- 6.68
DJ Swearinger South Carolina- 6.70
Zeke Motta Notre Dame- 6.75
Keelan Johnson Arizona St- 6.77
Micah Hyde Iowa- 6.78
Kenny Vaccaro Texas- 6.78
TJ McDonald USC- 6.89
Rontez Miles California (PA)- 6.97
Eric Reid LSU- 6.99

Chadman
02-16-2013, 10:44 PM
Alright, alright...here we go- CB's:

Since the Colbert-Tomlin marriage started, the Steelers have drafted a number of CB's. Let's see if we can find a common thread throuhg the years...

2007
CB William Gay
5'10" 187lbs
40-Yard-4.48
Bench- 16 Reps
Vertical- 38.5"
Broad- 9'10"
3-Cone- 6.89
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.15

2009
CB Joe Burnett
5'10" 192lbs
40-Yard- 4.58
Bench- 22 Reps
Vertical- 35.5"
Broad- 9'10"
3-Cone- 6.68
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.25

CB Keenan Lewis
6'1" 195lbs
40-Yard- 4.47
Bench- 19 Reps
Vertical- 33.5"
Broad- 10'03"
3-Cone- 6.89
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.42

2010
CB Crezdon Butler
6'0" 191lbs
40-Yard- 4.43
Bench- 17 Reps
Vertical- 39.5"
Broad- 10'01"
3-Cone- 7.08
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.23

2011
CB Cortez Allen
6'1" 197lbs
40-Yard- 4.51
Bench- 18 Reps
Vertical- 35.5"
Broad- 10'09"
3-Cone- 6.76
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.01

CB Curtis Brown
6'0" 185lbs
40-Yard- 4.51
Bench- 10 reps
Vertical- 39.5"
Broad- 10'08"
3-Cone- 6.59
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.00

2012
CB Terrence Frederick
5'10" 187lbs
40 Yard- 4.54
Bench- 16 Reps
Vertical- 35"
Broad- 10'01"
3 Cone- 6.59
20 Yard Shuttle- 4.03


So...what can we work out? Well, firstly- size. The first 2 CB's on the list were 5'10". Every other CB since then has been at the 6'0" range. The trend is, the Steelers are looking more & more for the taller CB- not too tall, mind you. Let's say that 6'0" and 6'1" are ideal. We'll accept 5'11".

Weight- that 190lbs range appears about right. We'll give them 5lbs either way as variance.

Speed- Ok, surprisingly- speed doesn't appear to be a huge factor. The mid 4.4's seems about right- not slow, but certainly not blazing either. We'll discount Joe Burnett's 4.58. It would seem logical that the Steelers wouldn't turn their nose up from faster than 4.4- but it doesn't seem to be a deciding factor either.

Strength- Benching around the 20 mark seems about right- discounting Curtis Brown's paltry 10 reps.

Vertical- Here we see a measurement that seems important to the Steelers. 33.5" from Keenan Lewis is the lowest recorded for a Steeler draft pick- we'll use that as our cut-off as every other jump was higher (sometimes significantly).

Broad- It would seem around 10' looks like the target.

3-Cone- Another stat that seems important. Crezdon Butler's 7.+ was the anomoly. It would seem sub-7.0 is the target.

20 Yard- When Keenan Lewis' 4.42 is your highest mark, we'll be safe in assuming this is an important target for the Steelers. We'll speculate that the 4.3 mark is about the target range.




Just a little caveat- Chadman cut & pasted this from last years version of this thread & included Terrence Frederick for the update. In hindsight, these numbers were very accurate in dictating the targets the Steelers looked for at CB. safe to use this method again!


2013 COMBINE RESULTS:

40 Yard- 4.5 or faster
Darius Slay Mississippi St- 4.36
Dee Milliner Alabama- 4.37
Desmond Trufant Washington- 4.38
Robert Alford Southern Louisiana- 4.39
Jamar Taylor Boise St- 4.39
Brandon Magee Miami- 4.40
Sanders Commings Georgia- 4.41
Kayvon Webster South Florida- 4.41
Rod Sweeting Georgia Tech- 4.42
Steve Williams California- 4.42
Xavier Rhodes Florida St- 4.43
David Amerson North Carolina St- 4.44
Terry Hawthorne Illinois- 4.44
Dwayne Gratz Connecticut- 4.47
Johnny Adams Michigan St- 4.48
Tyrann Mathieu LSU- 4.50

Bench Press- 15 Reps or higher
Dwayne Gratz Connecticut- 22
Jamar Taylor Boise St- 22
Robert Alford Southern Louisiana- 17
Adrian Bushell Louisville- 17
Khalid Wooten Nevada- 17
Johnny Adams Michigan St- 16
Will Davis Utah St- 16
Josh Johnson Purdue- 16
Desmond Trufant Washington- 16
David Amerson North Carolina St- 15
Daxton Swanson Sam Houston St- 15


Vertical Jump- 35" or higher
Xavier Rhodes Florida St- 40.5"
BW Webb William & Mary- 40.5"
Steve Williams California- 40.5"
Robert Alford Southern Louisiana- 40"
Dwayne Gratz Connecticut- 38"
Nickell Robey USC- 37.5"
Desmond Trufant Washington- 37.5"
Rod Sweeting Georgia Tech- 37"
Mike Edwards Hawaii- 36"
Demetrius McCray Alppalachian St- 36"
Dee Milliner Alabama- 36"
Blidi Wreh-Wilson Connecticut- 36"
David Amerson North Carolina St- 35.5"
Will Davis Utah St- 35.5"
Terry Hawthorne Illinois- 35.5"
Darius Slay Mississippi St- 35.5"
Marc Anthony California- 35"
Josh Johnson Purdue- 35"
Jamar Taylor Boise St- 35"
Kayvon Webster South Florida- 35"


Broad Jump- 10' or further
Robert Alford Southestern Louisiana- 11'
Xavier Rhodes Florida St- 11'
BW Webb William & Mary- 11'
Tharold Simon LSU- 10'8"
Steve Williams California- 10'8"
Blidi Wreh-Wilson Connecticut- 10'8"
David Amerson North Carolina St- 10'7"
Will Davis Utah St- 10'7"
Nickell Robey USC- 10'7"
Jamar Taylor Boise St- 10'7"
Demetrius McCray Appalachian St- 10'6"
Johnthan Banks Mississippi St- 10'5"
Dwayne Gratz Connecticut- 10'5"
Desmond Trufant Washington- 10'5"
Kayvon Webster South Florida- 10'5"
Mike Edwards Hawaii- 10'4"
Darius Slay Mississippi St- 10'4"
Rod Sweeting Georgia Tech- 10'4"
Dee Milliner Alabama- 10'2"
Daxton Swanson Sam Houston St- 10'2"

3 Cone Drill- 6.9s or faster
Will Davis Utah St- 6.52
Logan Ryan Rutgers- 6.69
Dwayne Gratz Connecticut- 6.70
Brandon McGee Miami- 6.71
Marc Anthony California- 6.74
Nickell Robey USC- 6.74
Leon McFadden San Diego St- 6.81
Jamar Taylor Boise St- 6.82
BW Webb William & Mary- 6.82
Tyrann Mathieu LSU- 6.87
Jordan Poyer Oregon St- 6.87
Robert Alford Southeastern Louisiana- 6.89
Steve Williams California- 6.89

20 Yard Shuttle- 4.2s or faster
BW Webb William & Mary- 3.84
Desmond Trufant Washington- 3.85
Will Davis Utah St- 4.02
Logan Ryan Rutgers- 4.06
Jamar Taylor Boise St- 4.06
Marc Anthony California- 4.07
Nickell Robey USC- 4.09
Steve Williams California- 4.10
Blidi Wreh-Wilson Connecticut- 4.12
Tyrann Mathieu LSU- 4.14
Dwayne Gratz Connecticut- 4.15
Mike Edwards Hawaii- 4.18
Brandon McGee Miami- 4.18
Jordan Poyer Oregon St- 4.18
Khalid Wooten Nevada- 4.18

Chadman
02-17-2013, 08:26 PM
Steelers | Sean Spence not expected to have impact in 2013 (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839515-steelers-sean-spence-not-expected-to-have-impact-in-2013)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:41:45 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are not expecting much of an impact from LB Sean Spence (http://www.kffl.com/player/25911/nfl/sean-spence) (knee) next season because of the severity of the knee injury he suffered this season.
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Steelers | Chris Carter has get stronger (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839514-steelers-chris-carter-has-get-stronger)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:39:57 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) like LB Chris Carter (http://www.kffl.com/player/24761/nfl/chris-carter)'s ability but believe he needs to get stronger to be a bigger contributor on defense.
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Steelers | Not sure if Jason Worilds ready to start (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839513-steelers-not-sure-if-jason-worilds-ready-to-start)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:31:52 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are not sure if LB Jason Worilds (http://www.kffl.com/player/22339/nfl/jason-worilds) is ready to become a full-time starter because they have not had many full offseasons to work with him.
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Steelers | Coaches want James Harrison back (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839512-steelers-coaches-want-james-harrison-back)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:29:11 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) coaching staff wants LB James Harrison (http://www.kffl.com/player/7123/nfl/james-harrison) to return next season. The Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are expected to consider releasing Harrison to open up salary cap space.
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Steelers | Want Larry Foote to return (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839511-steelers-want-larry-foote-to-return)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:16:10 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are interested in re-signing impending free-agent LB Larry Foote (http://www.kffl.com/player/5815/nfl/larry-foote) and there is a good chance the two sides can agree to a one-year deal.
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Steelers | May not make offer to Stevenson Sylvester (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839494-steelers-may-not-make-offer-to-stevenson-sylvester)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:34:26 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) may not tender an offer to restricted free-agent LB Stevenson Sylvester (http://www.kffl.com/player/22730/nfl/stevenson-sylvester) this offseason but could look to re-sign him at a lower salary if he became an unrestricted free agent.
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Steelers | Emmanuel Sanders expected to get lowest tender (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839492-steelers-emmanuel-sanders-expected-to-get-lowest-tender)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:29:01 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are expected to offer restricted free-agent WR Emmanuel Sanders (http://www.kffl.com/player/22700/nfl/emmanuel-sanders) the lowest tender because they would receive a third-round draft choice if they lost him.
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Steelers | Steve McLendon could receive lowest tender (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839491-steelers-steve-mclendon-could-receive-lowest-tender)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:25:00 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) may offer the lowest tender to restricted free-agent DT Steve McLendon (http://www.kffl.com/player/21359/nfl/steve-mclendon) this offseason even though they would not receive any compensation if they lost him.
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Steelers | Two RFA RBs could get low tenders (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839490-steelers-two-rfa-rbs-could-get-low-tenders)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:22:09 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) may offer the lowest tender to restricted free-agent RBs Isaac Redman (http://www.kffl.com/player/21360/nfl/isaac-redman) and Jonathan Dwyer (http://www.kffl.com/player/22368/nfl/jonathan-dwyer) this offseason. The team could also decide to make an offer to only Redman.
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Steelers | Will not tender Jeremy Kapinos (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839488-steelers-will-not-tender-jeremy-kapinos)
Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:18:29 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) will not tender an offer to restricted free-agent P Jeremy Kapinos (http://www.kffl.com/player/17859/nfl/jeremy-kapinos) this offseason.
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Chadman
02-20-2013, 01:20 AM
Steelers | Might be interested in Steve Breaston (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839843-steelers-might-be-interested-in-steve-breaston)
Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:39:27 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) do not have a lot of room under the salary cap to sign many free-agents, but recently released WR Steve Breaston (http://www.kffl.com/player/16336/nfl/steve-breaston) (Chiefs) could be on their radar. Breaston was a favorite of offensive coordinator Todd Haley (http://www.kffl.com/player/14112/nfl/todd-haley), who was previously the head coach with the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs).
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Steelers | Emmanuel Sanders might start (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839842-steelers-emmanuel-sanders-might-start)
Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:38:57 -0800
Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) restricted free-agent WR Emmanuel Sanders (http://www.kffl.com/player/22700/nfl/emmanuel-sanders) is expected to be back in 2013, and he is likely to be elevated to the starting lineup since the team is not expected to bring back impending free-agent WR Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20873/nfl/mike-wallace) (Steelers).
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Chadman
02-20-2013, 10:03 AM
Steelers | Talking with Larry Foote (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839893-steelers-talking-with-larry-foote)
Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:05:27 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) have been talking with impending free-agent LB Larry Foote (http://www.kffl.com/player/5815/nfl/larry-foote) about a new deal. "(The Steelers) and my agent have been talking back and forth. I guess it's a money thing right now," Foote said Tuesday, Feb. 19.
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Chadman
02-20-2013, 10:04 AM
Steelers | Too many drops for Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839889-steelers-too-many-drops-for-mike-wallace)
Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:40:01 -0800
Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) impending free-agent WR Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20873/nfl/mike-wallace) has 21 dropped passes over the last four seasons; however, he has also produced 32 touchdowns in his first four seasons.
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Dolphins | Targeting Mike Wallace? (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=839888-dolphins-targeting-mike-wallace?)
Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:37:05 -0800
Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) impending free-agent WR Mike Wallace (http://www.kffl.com/player/20873/nfl/mike-wallace) will reportedly be the top target for the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl/miami-dolphins) in the offseason. Wallace may command a contract in the range of $60 million or $12 million a season.
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Keyplay1
02-21-2013, 05:24 AM
Where did you find those numbers for Polamalu?

In almost every case the combine or pro day results can be found for players on nfldraftscout.com. But over the years the few players with little or no numbers on them have been Steeler stand out players. Heath Miller, Casey Hampton, Polamalu 's page is still blank, even Ben's page is not complete. There have been a few others and I am not sure if this is still the case. I always scratched my head about this.

Anyway, Lacy will not do the combine. Maybe he will catch a cold at Bama's pro day.

This always struck me as a very odd coincidence.

Chadman
02-21-2013, 07:49 AM
Where did you find those numbers for Polamalu?

In almost every case the combine or pro day results can be found for players on nfldraftscout.com. But over the years the few players with little or no numbers on them have been Steeler stand out players. Heath Miller, Casey Hampton, Polamalu 's page is still blank, even Ben's page is not complete. There have been a few others and I am not sure if this is still the case. I always scratched my head about this.

Anyway, Lacy will not do the combine. Maybe he will catch a cold at Bama's pro day.

This always struck me as a very odd coincidence.

To be honest- can't remember where it was that Chadman found Polamalu's numbers- it was cut and pasted from last years version of this same thread...


On Lacy, and any rookie that gets invited to the Combine for that matter... seems such a wasted opportunity to no take part in the drills, or worse- it looks like a player is trying to hide something.

Keyplay1
02-21-2013, 01:06 PM
Well Lacy suffered a slight hamstring injury while training very hard for the combine. He will possibly be able to do the Bama pro day on march 13.

I was just pointing out the odd coincidence that it seems that only the best Steeler players somehow have not done the combine [probably not 100% ready] for some reason or other. Even Ike Taylor [not invited] has a nearly blank page. I had a hard time finding him. I forgot his name was Ivan.

Probably just wishful thinking, but I was hoping somehow Lacy could join this group.

Chadman
02-21-2013, 05:29 PM
Well Lacy suffered a slight hamstring injury while training very hard for the combine. He will possibly be able to do the Bama pro day on march 13.

I was just pointing out the odd coincidence that it seems that only the best Steeler players somehow have not done the combine [probably not 100% ready] for some reason or other. Even Ike Taylor [not invited] has a nearly blank page. I had a hard time finding him. I forgot his name was Ivan.

Probably just wishful thinking, but I was hoping somehow Lacy could join this group.

:D
Not discounting your theory. It could still hold up. And if it does- we'll add it to the 2014 version of this thread...

Slapstick
02-21-2013, 06:02 PM
Well Lacy suffered a slight hamstring injury while training very hard for the combine.

Wait a minute...I thought NOT training hard led to hamstring injuries?!?:confused:


Or, is that only for Woodley?

Chadman
02-21-2013, 11:08 PM
Steelers | Steve Breaston open to signing (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=840301-steelers-steve-breaston-open-to-signing)
Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:04:39 -0800
Free-agent WR Steve Breaston (http://www.kffl.com/player/16336/nfl/steve-breaston) (Chiefs) said he would be willing to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) this offseason but said the most important thing will be signing with a team that will give him playing time.
0 Comments (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=840301-steelers-steve-breaston-open-to-signing) | Source: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review - Mark Kaboly (http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/3529745-74/breaston-steelers-haley#axzz2LapygWxW)


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2Lars32nw

Chadman
02-21-2013, 11:11 PM
COMBINE RUMOURS:

Steelers have reportedly already interviewd OG Jonathon Cooper- North Carolina

Shawn
02-21-2013, 11:29 PM
If I could wish for an ideal situation I would love the Steelers to trade down in the first in order to move up in the second...and grab

Lacy and Ertz

Chadman
02-22-2013, 01:06 AM
If I could wish for an ideal situation I would love the Steelers to trade down in the first in order to move up in the second...and grab

Lacy and Ertz

History isn't on your side... :p

Chadman
02-22-2013, 08:42 PM
Steelers | Interested in Ezekiel Ansah (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=840363-steelers-interested-in-ezekiel-ansah)
Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:28:15 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are believed to be interested in Brigham Young DE Ezekiel Ansah (http://www.kffl.com/player/27678/nfl/ezekiel-ansah) as an outside linebacker in their 3-4 defensive alignment.
0 Comments (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=840363-steelers-interested-in-ezekiel-ansah) | Source: DraftInsider.net - Tony Pauline (https://twitter.com/TonyPauline/status/305033241105141760)


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz2Lg7o5FYs

Chadman
02-22-2013, 08:54 PM
2013 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Tight Ends

Stanford tight end Zach Ertz (6-5, 249) checked in with surprisingly short arms (31 3/4). That tied for the shortest arms of any tight end in Indianapolis. Teams would prefer it if he had longer arms, but it shouldn't hurt him tremendously on draft day. However, Ertz is in a neck-and-neck race with Notre Dame's Tyler Eifert to be the first tight end selected, and the short arms won't help Ertz's cause.

Fellow Stanford tight end Levine Toilolo had been listed at 6-foot-8 by the Cardinal, and it was no exaggeration as Toilolo checked in at 6-foot-8, 260-pounds. The athletic Toilolo had long arms (34 1/2) and big hands (10 1/4). That size will be very intriguing for teams looking for a red-zone weapon and receiving tight end.






UCLA tight end Joseph Fauria (6-7, 259) had an impressive weigh-in. He was listed at 6-foot-7 by the Bruins and is clearly every inch of that. Fauria also had good length on his arms (33 3/4) and massive hands (10 7/8). Fauria had the largest hands of any draft prospect of all the tight ends in Indianapolis. He pulled out of the East-West Shrine with an injury, so it will be interesting to see if he takes part in the field activities.

Florida tight end Jordan Reed was expected to be smaller, but at 6-foot-2, 236-pounds, he is significantly undersized for an NFL tight end. Reed's game is athleticism and speed as a receiver. His blocking ability was known to need work for the NFL, but at that low of a weight, he may not be an option to keep on the field as a blocker. Being viewed as only a situational player will hurt Reed's draft stock.



Another tight end who was lighter than expected, but in a good way, was Michigan State's Dion Sims (6-4, 262). The Spartans had him at 285 pounds. Sims is a good blocker with receiving ability and that lighter weight should help his capacity to contribute to the passing attack. He could turn out to be one of the tight ends who helps himself the most if he runs a fast 40-yard dash and looks fluid in the field work.

Chadman
02-22-2013, 08:56 PM
2013 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Offensive Linemen

The consensus top-rated offensive linemen, Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel, checked in at 6-foot-6, 306-pounds with 34 1/4-inch arms. Those are all good numbers and Joeckel should have the ability to gain 10-15 pounds once he enters an NFL strength and conditioning program. It was good for Joeckel that he didn't measure significantly smaller than his listed measurements by Texas A&M (6-6, 310).

There are some who believe that Alabama guard Chance Warmack is the best player in the entire 2013 NFL Draft. He did his cause no harm by measuring in at the weigh-in at 6-foot-2, 317-pounds with 34 3/4-inch arms. Warmack has the strength and athleticism to be a star in the weight room and field work. The combine will probably just reinforce his high draft grade.

North Carolina guard Jonathan Cooper (6-2, 311) was an inch shorter and 16 pounds heavier than his listed statistics. That height doesn't matter very much, but showing more bulk should really help him. Cooper illustrated superb speed and athleticism in college, but weighing below 300 is very light for an NFL offensive linemen. Cooper's weight at 311 is enough for a guard or center. The weigh-in definitely helped his draft stock.


Wisconsin center Travis Frederick (6-4, 312) had one of the most shocking weigh-ins. The Badgers had listed him at 338 pounds. That is too heavy to play center in the NFL, but 312 pounds is practically ideal. Frederick was a big masher at Wisconsin who beat defenders with power at the point of attack.

Centers in the NFL need to have flexibility and athleticism. If Frederick struggles in the field drills, it could cause teams to project as a guard - the position he played in 2011. Frederick's draft stock would be hurt by him being viewed as only a guard. As a center, he is in the running to be the first selected. The weigh-in was a good first step.


One of the players who impressed at the weigh-in was Arkansas guard Alvin Bailey. He has good size at 6-foot-3, 312-pounds while also having nice a nice arm length of 34 3/4 inches. Bailey entered the draft early in a good guard class and would have been better off returning for his senior season. However, a strong showing at the combine could help him to rise higher on the second day of the 2013 NFL Draft.

Alabama center Barrett Jones is the most versatile lineman in the 2013 NFL Draft given his ability to possibly play all five positions on the offensive line. Jones (6-4, 306) was an inch shorter than expected, but his arm length of 34 1/8 inches allows teams to consider him for tackle in the NFL. He was an All-American at left tackle, center and guard for the Crimson Tide. The intelligent and experienced Jones could end up being a second-day pick who causes a lot of people to wonder why he wasn't selected early in his draft class.

Alabama right tackle D.J. Fluker (6-5, 339) helped himself with his weigh-in. He dropped 16 pounds since the Senior Bowl. The decreased weight should help his speed and mobility. Fluker had some struggles in pass protection in 2012, so slimming down should help his ability to block on the edge. Teams also will like to see that he has worked hard to slim down. Fluker had the longest arms of any offensive linemen at 36 3/4. Those long arms will surely get offensive line coaches excited.

Syracuse's Justin Pugh (6-4, 307) played tackle in college, but he has to move inside to guard in the NFL. Not only is Pugh short and light for tackle, but his arms are extremely short at 32 inches. He was tied for the second shortest arms of any offensive lineman. Considering Pugh's performance at the Senior Bowl, playing him at tackle would be dangerous.

Florida State offensive tackle Melenik Waston was shorter and lighter than the Seminoles billed him to be. He was listed at 6-foot-6, 320-pounds but checked in at 6-foot-5, 310 pounds. He had a solid arm length of 34 inches and should be able remain at tackle, but part of the appeal of Watson was that he was said to be extremely athletic for a big tackle. The former basketball player could make up for it by excelling in the field work.

Kent State guard Brian Winters (6-4, 320) grew from the Senior Bowl when he was (6034, 310). The height was rounded up slightly, but it was impressive to see him pack on 10 pounds of bulk. Winters is in the running to be a second-day pick and that added strength he showed off at the weigh-in should help his cause.

There was an important medical exam for North Carolina tackle Brennan Williams. His senior season ended early with a torn labrum. The results of his rehab and current condition of his shoulder haven't released. Williams was an impressive 6-foot-6, 318-pounds with 34 inch arms at the weigh-in. He has excellent size to be a starting right tackle in the NFL.

San Jose State guard/center David Quessenberry is extremely versatile and has the ability to play four positions on the offensive line. To go along with a 6-foot-5, 302-pound frame, he has 34 3/8 inch arms. That will allow some teams to consider Quessenberry for right tackle. He also hides his weight well and could gain another 10-20 pounds in the NFL.

Chadman
02-22-2013, 08:59 PM
2013 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Quarterbacks

There has been a lot of attention given to USC quarterback Matt Barkley in the early days of the Combine. Barkley said that his injured shoulder hasn't healed enough to throw in Indianapolis. At the weigh-in, he measured 6-foot-3, 227-pounds and had the third-largest hands of the quarterbacks at 10 inches. Barkley has enough size to be a starter in the NFL, but there are a lot of questions about his arm strength. He'll have a lot to answer when he throws at his pro day.

Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray was either very underbilled by Tennessee or he has been hitting the weight room hard. Bray measured 6-foot-6, 232 pounds at the Combine after being listed at 210 pounds by the Volunteers. During the 2012 season and throughout his career at Tennessee, Bray looked very thin. The truth could be a combination of both. Bray has gone somewhat under the radar with more attention being devoted to other quarterback prospects. If he throws and interviews well at the Combine, Bray could leap ahead of some of the more high-profile quarterbacks.

The consensus top quarterback is West Virginia's Geno Smith. His weigh-in was solid but not impressive. Smith stood at 6-foot-2, 218-pounds with 9 1/4-inch hands. His numbers were nearly identical to Robert Griffin III's last year. West Virginia listed Smith an inch taller, but the dropoff isn't significant enough to hurt his draft stock.

A quarterback who is starting to get some acclaim from pundits like NFL Network's Mike Mayock is Duke signal-caller Sean Renfree. He had a solid weigh-in at 6-foot-3, 219-pounds. Renfree's stock could rise in a weak class of quarterbacks with the high demand for throwers across the league. A drawback for Renfree is having the second-smallest hands of any quarterback.
The smallest hands among the quarterbacks belong to Arkansas' Tyler Wilson (8 3/4). With hands that are that small ,fumbling could be an issue. A number of evaluators already question Wilson's arm strength. It would help Wilson (6-2, 215) if he throws better at the Combine compared to the velocity he displayed at the Senior Bowl.

A sign of hope was given by North Carolina State quarterback Mike Glennon. The lanky quarterback looks likely to take a lot of hits as a pocket passer in the NFL. Glennon (6-7, 225) has added five pounds since his Senior Bowl weigh-in. It was clear that Glennon could use more beef on his frame to help absorb the punishment in the NFL. Glennon looks limited in how big he can get, but adding another 10 pounds should help him in the NFL. His Combine weigh-in makes that look feasible.

Chadman
02-22-2013, 09:03 PM
2013 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Wide Receivers

Clemson wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins (6-1, 214) had a quality weigh-in. He was as tall as listed and 14 pounds heavier. He had some of the largest hands (10 inches) of any of the receivers. It was good for Hopkins to show he has some size and isn't one of the players who is billed to be much larger than reality.

The team interviews will be the most important aspect of the combine for Tennessee Tech's Da'Rick Rogers. He had to leave Tennessee after off-the-field problems including a positive drug test. Rogers was a 1,000-yard receiver as a sophomore for the Volunteers and showed off a special skill set with size, speed and physicality. Rogers (6-2, 217) illustrated his good size at the weigh in. He should run well, and if he convinces teams he'll stay out of trouble, he could improve his draft standing.

Virginia Tech wide receiver Marcus Davis (6-3, 233) was the heaviest receiver at the Combine. Davis had the second largest hands of any receiver at 10 1/4 inches. Davis could help himself by running well, but he probably should try and slim down for the NFL. If Davis gets to 220, that could make him faster and more athletic.

USC wide receiver Robert Woods had a mixed weigh-in. On the plus side he checked in at 201 pounds, 20 pounds heavier than his listed weight. The downside was Woods measuring an inch shorter than listed at an even 6-foot. Even more importantly than those measurements, Woods must prove that his nagging ankle injury is behind him. His medical check is very important along with his ability to run fast in the field work. Woods really needs a good Combine to help his draft stock after a disappointing junior season.


Arkansas' Cobi Hamilton (6-2, 212) and Baylor's Terrance Williams (6-2, 208) have quality combinations of height and weight, but both players have some of the smallest hands of the receivers at the combine. Each prospect's had hands that measured 8 3/4 inches. Those are small hands for a NFL receiver. Both receivers had less-than-stellar weeks at the Senior Bowl, so they need to perform well in the field work and especially in the 40-yard dash.

Rutgers wide receiver Mark Harrison had the longest arms (35 inches) and the longest arms of any receiver at the combine. Harrison (6-3, 231) is a big receiver with height and strength. It might help him to drop some weight to get quicker in the NFL.

Chadman
02-22-2013, 09:06 PM
2013 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Running Backs

Alabama's Eddie Lacy is the consensus top running back in the draft and had a weigh-in that met expectations. The power back checked in at 5-foot-11 and 231 pounds. He also had good sized hands with a measurement of 9.5 inches. Lacy was listed an inch taller and 11 pounds lighter, so he is basically as advertised. Many believe that Lacy is the only running back that will be selected in the first round.

It was a mixed weigh-in for Oklahoma State running back Joseph Randle. On the down side he had small hands (8 3/4 inches), but on the plus side he was 6-foot and 204-pounds. The early entry has the frame to add weight for the NFL after spending some time in a strength and conditioning program. If Randle adds 15 pounds that could help him to stay healthy and handle a larger workload. The 2013 running back class has a plethora of running backs who are in the 190-200 pound range, but most of them are around 5-foot-10 and won't be able to add much more weight. Randle has some physical upside.

Rutgers running back Jawan Jamison (5-7, 203) had a disappointing weigh-in. He had extremely small hands that measured 8 3/8 inches. That was tied for the smallest hands of any of the running backs. Hands that size could lead to Jamison having fumbling issues in the NFL. He was a workhorse back at Rutgers, but in the NFL, Jamison doesn't have the size for that large a workload. It would probably be best if Jamison is a situational back.

For a small speed back, Oregon's Kenjon Barner is put together well at 5-foot-9 and 196-pounds. Those solid numbers help Barner to be viewed as having the ability to take on the work load of a rotational running back. It wouldn't be surprising if Barner has one of the fastest 40-yard times at the Combine. He could stand out in the field receiving drills as well. Barner looks poised to have a combine performance that could boost his draft stock.

Michigan State running back Le'Veon Bell was listed at 6-foot-2, 238-pounds. His actual measurements were slightly smaller (6-1, 230). Bell is a big power back and the concern with him is if he has enough speed for the NFL. His shuttle and 40 times are going to be very important for him to go on the second day of the draft.

Another tight end who was lighter than expected, but in a good way, was Michigan State's Dion Sims (6-4, 262). The Spartans had him at 285 pounds. Sims is a good blocker with receiving ability and that lighter weight should help his capacity to contribute to the passing attack. He could turn out to be one of the tight ends who helps himself the most if he runs a fast 40-yard dash and looks fluid in the field work.

Arkansas running back Knile Davis has had a couple of broken ankles over the past few seasons, so his medical exam will be inspected thoroughly by NFL teams. Davis (5-10, 227) looked like a potential starting running back in the NFL back in 2010. In 2011, he missed the season because of an ankle and last year he didn't play well for the Razorbacks. Davis also checked in with small hands (8 5/8 inches). Davis needs to perform well at the combine with a thumbs up from the medical evaluation to ensure he gets drafted.

A running back who passed the eyeball test was LSU's Spencer Ware. At 5-foot-10, 228-pounds Ware has serious bulk to handle the pounding of the NFL. He also had a good hand size (9 5/8 inches). With the Tigers, Ware was part of a running-back-by-committee approach. That hurt his production and opportunities, but he enters the NFL with fresh legs. Ware could be a sleeper running back that surprises in the NFL.

After Lacy, the consensus second-rated running back is North Carolina's Giovani Bernard. The speedy scat back was a little bit smaller than expected. The 5-foot-8, 203-pounder was at the expected weight but a couple inches shorter. Bernard should excel in the 40-yard dash and the field work. He is very quick and athletic. If Bernard blows up the Combine, he could get some teams to consider him late in the first-round.

Obviously, teams will want to pour over the medical evaluation on South Carolina running back Marcus Lattimore, but he weighed in at 5-foot-11 and 221-pounds. He showed that while he is rehabbing his injured knee he has been able to maintain his upper body weight. Lattimore's doctor, Dr. James Andrews, is at the Combine to update teams on Lattimore's rehab. If teams get good reports, that could help Lattimore to get mid-round consideration.

Ohio State's Zach Boren has returned to the backfield at the Combine. He started out his collegiate career as a fullback before moving to linebacker during his senior season. Boren (5-11, 238) is a better fit as a fullback in the NFL and will be working out at that position in Indianapolis.

Keyplay1
02-23-2013, 09:01 AM
Those interested in the combine might find the following useful. At least it will save a whole lot of counting.

Quarterback: 16
Running back: 38
Wide receiver: 39
Tight end: 19
Offensive line: 58
Defensive line: 54
Linebacker: 35
Defensive back: 60
Specialists: 14

btw: The drills start today. [OL, TE, ST, PK]

The RB's are scheduled for drills and stuff on Sunday. All those grids will be out Sunday night or Monday and paper comparisons of the backs will get rolling. Here is a link to the combine player schedule.

http://www.nflcombine.net/players/schedule

Keyplay1
02-23-2013, 09:33 AM
Try again:

Here's the number of players per position attending:
Quarterback: 16
Running back: 38
Wide receiver: 39
Tight end: 19
Offensive line: 58
Defensive line: 54
Linebacker: 35
Defensive back: 60
Specialists: 14

http://www.nflcombine.net/players/schedule

Keyplay1
02-23-2013, 09:45 AM
QB 16
RB 38
WR 39
TE 19
OL 58
DL 54
LB 35
DB 60
Spc 14

???? it won't paste. the link is not live. anyway the RB's drill sunday.

Chadman
02-23-2013, 11:16 AM
2013 NFL Combine: Bench Press Recap - Offensive Linemen

The most impressive bench press total belongs to North Carolina guard Jonathan Cooper. He weighed in heavier than expected at 311 pounds and apparently that added weight is muscle. Cooper tied for second with the largest number of reps on the bench press with 35. He benefits from having short arms (33 inches) but the strength was impressive to see considering he is known as a blocker who features rare speed and agility. Cooper is helping himself in the early going at the Combine.

The current favorite to be the first player selected is Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel. He had a respectable total of 27 reps on the bench press. Joeckel beats defenders mainly on his speed, agility and technique so he should perform well in the field work.

Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher is the second-rated tackle, and he matched Joeckel with 27 reps. It was a good total, as Fisher (6-7, 306) had good power as a collegiate blocker. There aren't any strength criticisms of Fisher.

Oklahoma tackle Lane Johnson (6-6, 303) has longer arms (35 3/8) than Joeckel (34 1/4) or Fisher (34 1/2), yet Johnson was able to push up 225 pounds one more time than those linemen. Johnson's 28 reps was the largest total among the first-round offensive tackles. He was known as a pass blocker who needed work on his run defense, so this bench press total was a good sign for him.

Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker had a surprising total of 21 reps on the bench press. Fluker (6-5, 339) is a power player so it was somewhat surprising that he didn't produce more on the bench press. In Fluker's defense, he has extremely long arms at 36 3/4 inches. Teams have and will see how devastating Fluker is on tape, so it is doubtful that Fluker's bench press will hurt him at all.

Wisconsin center Travis Frederick is another lineman who had a disappointing total with 21 reps on the bench press. Frederick (6-4, 312) was a power run blocker for the Badgers and he has short arms (33 inches). Thus, it was surprising that he didn't record a higher time. Typically interior linemen have an advantage in the bench press, but Frederick had one of the lower totals among the offensive linemen. Frederick looks like he could use more time in the weight room.

Apparently, the effective Wisconsin offensive line has been getting the job down on a lot of natural ability. Badgers' tackle Ricky Wagner had only 20 reps on the bench press. Wagner (6-6, 308) is more athletic than one would think, but he could use more power to knock linemen off the ball in the NFL. His bad bench press total isn't going to help his chances of being a second-day pick.

Virginia offensive tackle Oday Aboushi had a disappointing total with only 17 reps on the bench press. That was the third lowest of any lineman who participated. Aboushi has short arms (33 7/8) so that isn't an excuse that works for him. In college, he was a speed and athletic tackle, but Aboushi (6-5, 308) needs to gain muscle for the NFL.

The second-lowest total belonged to USC center Khaled Holmes. He only totaled 13 reps on the bench press, but there is talk that he hurt his pectoral muscle and called it short. Aside from a possible injury, Holmes (6-3, 302) has the excuse of long arms (35 inches). Holmes is an interior lineman who needs to have the strength to hold up against heavy nose tackles. That was a problem for him in his senior season, and the bench press total was evidence that it could reman an issue in the NFL. Holmes needs to improve on that total significantly at his pro day.

The lowest number on the bench press belonged to Kent State's Brian Winters. He had only nine reps, but that was because he also suffered an injury.

Chadman
02-23-2013, 11:19 AM
2013 NFL Combine: Bench Press Recap - Tight Ends Rice's Vance McDonald was the best tight end in the bench press. He notched a staggering total of 31 reps. McDonald also has the second-longest arms of any tight end at 34 3/8 inches. The 6-foot-4, 267-pounder looks like he is well on his way to being a combine star. The second-highest total came from Stanford tight end Zach Ertz. The Cardinal stand out had 24 reps on the bench press, though he was aided by having short arms (31 3/4). Ertz (6-5, 249) was a good blocker in college, so this strength is not a complete surprise. Still, it was a good total for Ertz as he was second to only McDonald. Most have Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert as the No. 1-rated tight end in the draft. Eifert (6-6, 250) did well with 22 reps on the bench press. As a senior, Eifert really improved his blocking, and that added strength was on display with a quality bench press total. Two heavy tight ends had the same total on the bench press. Colorado's Nick Kasa (22 reps) and Michigan State's Dion Sims (22 reps) tied Eifert for the third-largest total on the bench press. Kasa (6-6, 269) and Sims (6-5, 262) both have blocking potential, and their respectable showing on the bench press illustrates that. Three lower bench press totals weren't surprising. Florida's Jordan Reed (16 reps), Stanford's Levine Toilolo (17 reps) and UCLA's Joseph Fauria (17 reps) would not be expected to produce big totals. Reed (6-2, 236) is a smaller receiving tight end, while Toilolo (6-8, 260) and Fauria (6-7, 259) are lanky tight ends. All three need to add power to be effective blockers in the NFL. It looks like a mistake, but Rutgers tight end D.C. Jefferson had only three reps on the bench press. Unfortunately, he was injured during the procedure and had to go to the hospital. It's a tough break for a borderline draftable prospect.

Keyplay1
02-23-2013, 12:15 PM
Three lower bench press totals weren't surprising. Florida's Jordan Reed (16 reps), Stanford's Levine Toilolo (17 reps) and UCLA's Joseph Fauria (17 reps) would not be expected to produce big totals.

Why not? I know there have been some threads suggesting even TE as a 1st or 2nd rd option. I just don't think so. But, if they could get one in the lower rds like Fauria I believe that player starts for the team next year.

I started this post with a bunch of ????? marks. I could not figure out how Chadman could be postings all that info at 10am EST when I thought they were going to do this stuff for the OL and TE today. [Sat] Okay I checked the schedule they do the field stuff today and did the bench thing Friday. But still that is really fast reporting. That was why I posted that schedule link which did not work anyway.

Also. I think I have corrected the black print problem. I found the box at the top of the message that said paste as plain text. Hope that solves the problem. It the first paragraph is legible--it did!

Tomorrow they do the RB's. Today they will bench press. Is there going to be discussion on these players allowed?

Keyplay1
02-23-2013, 07:04 PM
Hard to believe, but footfallsfuture.com already has todays results for the OG, OT, and TE's posted.
Anyone interested in seeing how their favorites in those positions stacked up take a look.

Chadman
02-24-2013, 10:51 PM
Steelers | Considered favorite for Steve Breaston (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=840688-steelers-considered-favorite-for-steve-breaston)
Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:03:48 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) are considered the favorite to sign free-agent WR Steve Breaston (http://www.kffl.com/player/16336/nfl/steve-breaston) (Chiefs).
0 Comments (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=840688-steelers-considered-favorite-for-steve-breaston) | Source: CBSSports.com - Jason La Canfora (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la-canfora/21760921/breaston-looking-like-a-fit-at-wr-for-steelers)


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Chadman
02-26-2013, 07:27 PM
Steelers | Ben Roethlisberger contract update (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=841097-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-contract-update)
Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:37:23 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) and QB Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.kffl.com/player/9341/nfl/ben-roethlisberger) are working on renegotiating the quarterback's contract, and it is possible the two sides could have an agreement before the end of the week. The contract is not expected to be extended at this point, but that could happen next offseason.
0 Comments (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=841097-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-contract-update) | Source: NFL Network - Albert Breer (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145458/article/ben-roethlisberger-pittsburgh-steelers-renegotiating-contract)


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Steelers | Lawrence Timmons restructuring contract (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=841098-steelers-lawrence-timmons-restructuring-contract)
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Chadman
03-03-2013, 06:59 PM
Ok, through various reasons (mostly time related, but a few PC issues included), this thread hasn't had too many updates.

Chadman has spent some time in the last couple of days putting some of the Combine results down for each position, so if you go back to the relevant post for Combine Stats to look for by position, you will see some numbers from the 2013 Combine that might be a guide to what the Steelers are thinking. Also, the FA lists have been updated to include players that have been cut. Chadman might re-post those soon to bring them forward as Free Agency nears...

Chadman
03-03-2013, 07:08 PM
We'll just do a quick Re-Cap on what has happened since Feb 26 to get everything up to speed:

STEELER CONTRACTS:
Lawrence Timmons has restructured his contract , reducing his 2013 Cap number by $5.35m.

Antonio Brown restructured his contract, reducing his 2013 Cap number by $3.1m

Ben Roethlisberger has restructured his contract, reducing his Cap number by $6m

These 3 restructures have put the Steelers on, or under the 2013 Salary Cap at this time.

There are rumours that both LaMarr Woodley & Troy Polamalu have been spoken to about restructures.

No news as yet on possible restrcutures or releases for James Harrison or Willie Colon.

SIGNINGS:
The Steelers added Jaguars QB John Parker Wilson off waivers, to the wailing & gnashing of teeth of many on this board.

The Steelers brought WR Steve Breaston in for talks. No contract was signed.

COMBINE RUMOURS:
Steelers reportedly had interviews with Texas FS Kenny Vaccaro, West Virginia QB Geno Smith, Oklahoma OT Lane Johnson, USC WR Robert Woods & North Carolina OG Jonathan Cooper.

Gerry Dulac of the Post Gazette reports the Steelers might be interested in Miami (OH) QB Zac Dysert.

Chadman
03-03-2013, 09:32 PM
A few thoughts on who Chadman thinks might be considerations for the Steelers on Draft weekend:

QB: It seems that many feel it is 'time' for the Steelers to add a young QB, and to be honest- it's not a bad idea. Since Tomlin & Colbert have joined forces, most of the QB's the Steelers have looked at have been athletic, running type QB's (Dennis Dixon, Pat White, Jerrod Johnson, Troy Smith). There is little reason to think that won't be the case again. It seems unlikely that the Steelers would draft a QB early. That said, Combine reports have the Steelers interviewing Geno Smith (Athletic QB, will go in the 1st)...

So, with that said, here are a few names Chadman thinks might be on the Steelers radar-
Zac Dysert Miami (OH)- Round 4-5- (Gerry Dulac has said he's a possibility, plays for Ben's old college)

Matt Scott Arizona- Round 5- great athletisism displayed at Combine, solid college career.

Jeff Tuel Washington St- Round 6-7- good conference, good competition, reasonable success, injury has held him back.

Dayne Crist Kansas- Round 7- Good performance in Senior Bowl, plenty of tools.

James Vandenberg Iowa- Round 7- solid at Combine, reasonable college production, good conference/competition.

Chadman
03-03-2013, 10:08 PM
RB:
The Steelers will need a RB at some point this offseason, be it through the Draft or FA. The Combine produced probably more questions than answers, but there does seem to be a number of guys that could help, if not become 'the guy'. Some of the better options, post Combine for Chadman are...

Eddie Lacy- Alabama- Round 1-2- At 5'11" 231lbs, this guy is built to be a truck type RB. Not a flashy type of player, but seems a solid pounder. Chadman's question is still if he presents good 'value' to the Steelers, as his game is not that far different to what Redman & Dwyer bring to the table. No Combine numbers as he didn't work out. Pro Day could be interesting.

Giovanni Bernard- North Carolina- Round 1-2- 5'8" 202lbs makes him more the Jamaal Charles type RB, something Chadman suspects the Steelers might be looking to add to Haley's offense. While he didn't excel at the Combine, he hit 3 of Chadman's "Steeler History Combine Guidelines" in the 40 yard (4.55), Broad Jump (10' 2") & 20 yard shuttle (4.12). He's fast enough (would prefer a little faster) & shifty enough. He also has a history of being a decent pass catcher- he could help immediately in 3rd down situations.

Christine Michael- Texas A&M- Round 3-4- 5'10" 220lbs, he's the perfect build to be an NFL RB. He tested VERY well at the Combine hitting several key Steelers requirements- 40 Yard (4.54), Bench Press (27 reps), Vertical Jump (43"), Broad Jump (10'5") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.02). In all seriousness, he should top the available choices for the Steelers. But there are concerns about character, and he apparently slept through 2 interviews. Will the Steelers take a chance??

LeVeon Bell- Michigan St- Round 3-4- 6'1" 230lbs, he's a good build. Has been getting some love on the board for the last week. However, he only hit on 2 Steeler Selection Criteria- Bench Press (24 reps) & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.24). A bit like Lacy, Chadman is not sure if he offers good 'value' to the Steelers, as his game does not differ much from Dwyer or Redman.

Kenjon Barner- Oregon- Round 3-5- 5'9" 196lbs, he's one of the smaller RB's, but reasonably solid in build. Like Christine Michael, Barner hit on ALL Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.52), Bench Press (20 reps), Vertical Jump (35.5"), Broad Jump (10'2") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.20). Plenty of comparisons to a guy the Steelers looked at last season (and a former team mate of Barner) in LaMichael James. Could help immediately on 3rd Down & in the return game.

Zac Stacy- Vanderbilt- Round 5-6- 5'8" 216lbs. Short, but stocky. Pretty powerful for a guy his height & plays with good leverage. Great Combine hitting on 4 of the key Steeler Criteria- 40 Yard (4.55), Bench Press (27 reps), Broad Jump (10'2") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.17). Looks like a good compliment type RB, and great value late in the draft. Not a bad catcher of the ball.

Knile Davis- Arkansas- Round 5-7- 5'11" 227lbs. WOW, what a Combine! He went from a nowhere type pick to potentially much higher than he really should be picked. Passed 2 Steeler criteria very well- 40 Yard (4.37) & Bench Press (31 Reps). If his Pro Day goes anything like the Combine, he could move into the middle rounds. Not convinced his a mid-round RB, however.

Mike Ford- LSU- Round 6-7- 5'10" 210lbs. Much like Davis, but without the fanfare, Ford had a great Combine. Not much career production to work with (Willie Parker, anyone?), but his Combine Numbers make interesting reading- 40 yard (4.50), Bench Press (25 Reps), Vertical Jump (38.5"), Broad Jump (10'10") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.25). Like Michael & Barner, he hit on all 5 criteria.... could he be a late round, or UDFA flier?

While no RB really stood out in the Combine, there was plenty to work with. Pro Days are SUPER important for guys like Lacy, Andre Ellington, Joseph Randle, Montee Ball & Jonathan Franklin as all these guys could be 2-3rd round types. It will be interesting to see who the Steelers send to Oregon, North Carolina, LSU & Vanderbilt...

Chadman
03-04-2013, 08:02 PM
WR:
Most of us believe that the Steelers will need a WR added to the roster at some point. Losing Wallace promotes Manny Sanders to a starting position, but leaves depth a little thin with Cotchery possibly a cap victim, and a whole bunch of untested guys behind that. Steelers have already talked to Steve Breaston about joining, and his fate might be seasled one way or the other by which direction the Steelers go in the draft (that is, if he doesn't sign somewhere in FA). Thankfully, it's a good year to draft a WR..

Cordarelle Patterson- Tennessee- Round 1- 6'2" 216lbs, he's the prototype #1 WR. Plenty to like about him, and could be a good fit at #17. Not only that, he hit on 3 of the Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.42), Vertical Jump (37") & Broad Jump (10'8"). He's a sublime athlete. Will he be available at #17 though??

Tavon Austin- West Virginia- Round 1- 5'9" 174lbs. His size might be a concern for some teams, but the Steelers have not shied away from selecting smaller WR's in the past. Our own #1 is only 5'10", so Austin's size should not stand against him too much. What might go against him, however, is that he only hit on 2 Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.34) & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.01). His lack of Vertical & Broad jump success could scratch him, as the Steelers have shown a fondness for 'explosive' WR's in the past, not specifically 'fast' ones.

Keenan Allen- California- Round 1- 6'2" 206lbs. It might be a case of 'out of sight, out of mind' with Allen right now. He's dropped from #1 to a Round 1-2 rating. This is the exact sort of player the Steelers make a habit of grabbing- quality players that fall for no good reason- DeCastro, Mendenhall, Heath Miller for example. If he's available at #17....

Robert Woods- USC- Round 1-2- 6'0" 201lbs. The Steelers have shown some interest in Woods, who has the right credentials as far as level of competition, age & production go. Is he a #17 option? Doubt it. And he might be gone by the time the Steelers select in the 2nd.

DeAndre Hopkins- Clemson- Round 1-2- 6'1" 214lbs. Hopkins is starting to gain momentum as the draft closes, and while his Combine numbers were ok, he actually only hit 1 Steeler Selection Criteria in Vertical Jump (36"). He's right on the cusp in nearly every test though, so don't discount him, particularly if he's available in Round 2.

Quinton Patton- Louisiana Tech- Round 2- 6'0" 204lbs. The similarities between his Combine & Hopkins are quite remarakable. Patton fell short of nearly all the Selection Criteria, just. He passed on 1 drill- 20 yard Shuttle (4.01). Don't discount him.

Markus Wheaton- Oregon St- Round 2- 5'11" 189lbs. His build is very similar to Manny Sanders & Mike Wallace. Wheaton had a good Combine, hitting 4 of 5 Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.45), Vertical Jump (37"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.02) & 3 Cone (6.80). If the Steelers are looking for a direct replacement for Mike Wallace, Wheaton might just about be the perfect fit.

Justin Hunter- Tennessee- Round 2- 6'4" 196lbs. Hunter is a prototype #1 WR. He excelled on 3 Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.44), Vertical (39.5") & Broad Jump (11'4"). If he's available when the Steelers pick in the 2nd, he's a big chance.

Da'Rick Rogers- Tennessee Tech- Round 2-3- 6'3" 217lbs. Looked great at the Combine. Chadman gets the sneaky suspicion this is the best WR in the draft. Tested VERY well, hitting 4 of 5 Steeler Selection Criteria- Vertical (39.5"), Broad (11'00"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.06) & 3 Cone (6.71). That said, his character concerns might rule him out of contention.

Ryan Swope- Texas A&M- Round 3- 6'0" 205lbs. Combine Warrior who really raised his value in the drills. Hit on 4 of 5 Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.34), Vertical (37"), Broad (10'5") & 3 Cone (6.76). Calling him a Workout Warrior is probably unfair, as his career record is pretty solid, but there is no doubt he moved up a couple of rounds based on numbers. Not convinced..

Marquise Goodwin- Texas- Round 3- 5'9" 183lbs. Everyone knew he'd test well, and he did. His college career record is what will hold him back- not enough production to warrant a 3rd round pick. Surprisingly did no agility drills, but he hit the Selection Criteria on 2- 40 Yard (4.27), Broad (11'00"). No doubting he's an athlete, but with no real career record behind him, Chadman suspects the Steelers might look elsewhere.

Stedman Bailey- West Virginia- Round 3-4- 5'10" 193lbs. Bailey is a similar build to Antonio Brown, and has reasonably similar Combine figures as Brown too. Like Brown, Bailey missed on the speed & explosion drills as far as meeting Steeler Selection Criteria, but came into his own in the agility drills- 20 Yard Shuttle (4.09) & 3 Cone (6.81). If the Steelers are looking for another player like Brown, then Bailey could be their guy. Chadman suspects they will look elsewhere.

Tavarres King- Georgia- Round 3-4- 6'0" 189lbs. King looked very smooth & fluid in his drills, catching everything. This follows on from a good performance at the Senior Bowl. King hit on 3 of the Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.47), Vertical (36.5") & Broad (10'3") which shows speed & explosion. He missed on the agility drills however. Nothing stands out about King- he's not overlly big, not overlly fast or explosive, so he won't 'wow' people, but he looks a good concelation prize if teams miss the big guns early.

Kenny Stills- Oklahoma- Round 4- 6'1" 194lbs. Stills certainly opened eyes with his speed, but after that his other drill work was not overly exciting. He fit 2 Steeler Selection Criteria- 40 Yard (4.38) & Broad Jump- (10'4"). If the Steelers are waiting until Round 4 onwards to select a WR, they could do worse than Stills.

Josh Boyce- TCU- Round 5- 5'11" 206lbs. Boyce stood up at the Combine & may have upgraded his draft status. He hit 4 out of 5 Steeler Criteria (missing the Vertical cutoff of 35" by jumping 34"), and might prove great late round value- 40 Yard (4.38), Broad (10'11"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.10) & 3 Cone (6.68). Boyce could easily be in Steeler calculations on these numbers.

Tyrone Goard- Eastern Kentucky- Round 7- 6'4" 205lbs. Here's a late round guy that the Steelers might take a flier on. His Combine numbers were good, hitting 4 of 5 Steeler Selection Criteria, all at a size that the Steelers simply don't have. 40 Yard (4.50), Vertical (36"), Broad (10'3") & 3 Cone (6.90). If the Steelers seriously want a Red Zone type threat, Goard may certainly be worth a late round selection.

Mark Harrison- Rutgers- Round 7- 6'3" 231lbs. If the Steelers are not sold on Goard, Harrison might fit the bill better. His agility drills fell short, but for speed & explosion, he tested very well- 40 Yard (4.46), Vertical (38.5") & Broad (10'9"). He could be a genuine downfield threat with great size, if coached well. Looked pretty good in his drills.

Chadman
03-06-2013, 01:28 AM
TE:

TE is a hard one to guage, as the Steelers just don't have much history under Tomlin/Colbert in drafting them. Given that the Steelers Offense is becoming more passing based of late, Chadman would expect some pass catching types will be targetted. Some of the potential Steeler targets could be:

Tyler Eifert- Notre Dame- Round 1-2- Eifert fared much better at the Combine than the #2 prospect Ertz in all drills except Bench. He's a tall, quick TE, but not convinced he's a #17 pick.

Vance McDonald- Rice- Round 2- Rice did very well in a number of the Combine test, proving to be quick & strong. He did not appear to test very well in agility however. Level of competition may be an issue.

Chris Gragg- Arkansas- Round 5-6- Tested very well in speed (4.50) & explosiveness (Vertical- 37.5" Broad 10' 5"). Might be a nice fit in the later rounds.

Jake Stoneburner- Ohio St- Round 6-7- Like Gragg, tested very well (40 yard 4.65, Vertical 34.5", Broad 9'8"). His athletisism might make him an interesting target later in the draft.

Chadman
03-06-2013, 01:56 AM
OL:

While the Steelers have drafted a number of OLinemen during the Tomlin/Colbert era, getting a good guide on any specific preferences is tough because in 2013 the team will be trying to introduce the ZBS which will require different skill sets. That said, it's not impossible to see a few trends that might help, and knowing that both Lane Johnson & Jonathan Cooper were interviewed, we can probably get an idea of the type of player that might be interesting to the team.

At OT, given that we know the Steelers took a look at Johnson, we can see he is 6'6" 303lbs. Last year's OT Mike Adams is 6'7" 323lbs, Marcus Gilbert is 6'6" 330lbs. Even back further, Tony Hills was 6'5" 309lbs. Let's just figure that the Steelers view OT's as needing to be above 6'5" or close enough to that. The ZBS requires lighter OLinemen, so we might look at guys closer to the 310lbs than 340lbs. Johnson had a 34" vertical jump. Adams & Beachum both jumped 28.5" & Gilbert jumped 30.5". Safe to say a good vertical counts. Bench press, however, not so much. Both Adams & Beachum didn't even crack 20 reps.

A few prospects that might fit the Steelers OT mold include : Terron Armstead, Emmett Cleary, Reid Fragel, Tanner Hawkinson, Kyle Long, Vince Painter & Ricky Wagner.

OG is perhaps even harder to pick, as the Steelers Combine numbers are all over the place. Knowing that Cooper was interviewed, other OG's of similar stature & statistics that might fit include Alvin Bailey, Jeff Baca, Eric Herman &, of course, Chance Warmack.

Keyplay1
03-06-2013, 06:18 AM
Wow! It sure looks like TS will have a hard time missing in any rd on a WR. The group sure seems loaded.

I did not see Terrance Williams in there. I only mention this because early on he was one of the highly regarded players. I don't really know the reasons for it, but he has been slipping somewhat the past 3-4 weeks. Not a real good senior bowl seemed to start the slide. Oh well! Plenty of WR's to choose from.

It is hard to pick a favorite from that group. And I have only one comment.
There have been several favorable posts on DaRick Rogers the past couple weeks. He also was one of the winners in that Bleacher Report thread last week.

However, I took a look at some of the comments being made by fans on the article and one said that Rogers definitely has come on lately and has improved his stock a lot , but he can't catch.---- Now I don't know if there is any truth in that but I do think that it is a factor that can't be overlooked in the rating of WR's.

I remember a pass Santonio Holmes caught in one of his first pre-season games. Big Ben rifled a pass low and away about a foot or so off the ground and Holmes reached out, bent down and caught the thing. Unreal I thought. That was impossible! I really miss that guy. Oh well! Maybe TS will find another one. Hands!

Chadman
03-07-2013, 01:55 AM
Moving on to the 'other' side of the Line of scrimmage, we'll take a peak at the Defense.

NT:
This draft class offers quite a decent selection of NT candidates- and most of them seem like early draft picks. If the Steelers were unsatisfied with their NT options, it is very safe to say they should find a good option at #17 in the 2013 Draft.

Star Lotulelei- Utah- Top 10- At 6'3" 311lbs it is safe to say he's an ideal size for the position. He might be about as close to Haloti Ngata we've seen come out of the Draft recently. Obviously there was the heart scare during the Combine. If he checks out to be healthy, then there is every chance he could go #1 overall. If there are concerns, however, due to the depth of the position he might suffer a bit of a Draft fall. Don't laugh- look what happened with DeCastro, and we all thought he'd be long gone. No Combine workouts make it impossible to grade him

Johnathan Hankins- Ohio St- Round 1- 6'3" 320lbs. Again, about as perfect a 3-4 NT speciman as you can find. Had a good Combine in regards to what the Steelers look for. Hankins didn't do any lifting, so watching at his Pro Day might give an indication if he fits the Steelers criteria (30+ reps), Vertical jump (26") was the same as last year's selection Ta'amu, Broad Jump (8'8") beats any number put up by Steeler NT's of recent years, 20 Yard Shuttle (4.61) was remarkably quick for a guy his size, displaying good 'area quickness' & the 3 Cone (7.59) is similar to what Ta'amu put up. Described as a perfect 0 Technique, 2 Gap type player- essentially the role Hampton has played for the Steelers. Do not discount him as an option.

Jesse Williams- Alabama- Round 1- 6'3" 323lbs. Starting to see a pattern in the body shapes here. Williams only performed 1 Combine Drill (Bench- 30 reps), but passed that one. His Pro Day might answer a few questions, and no doubt the Steelers will converge on Alabama like hungry vultures. Like Hankins, don't discount him at #17.

John Jenkins- Georgia- Round 1-2- 6'4" 346lbs. One big boy. Like Williams, Jenkins only performed the Bench Drill (30 reps). His Pro Day will answer questions of how he fits athletically. Depending on how teams view him, he might be the 2nd NT taken, possibly in & around #17. Not as likely as Williams or Hankins, but not out of the question either.

Brandon Williams- Missouri Southern- Round 2- 6'1" 335lbs. Another big guy expected to go early. Put up the most Bench reps (38) of all the NT's. Add to that a 29.5" Vertical & Williams passes 2 Steeler Criteria. That said, he was a fair bit slower than Hankins in the agility drills, which might indicate inadequate short area speed.

Sylvester Williams- North Carolina- Round 3- 6'3" 313lbs. Another with perfect size. That said, he fell 'just short' on every Steeler criteria, proving to be an inferior athlete to, say, Hankins. In Round 3, though, might be great value.

Akeem Spence- Illinois- Round 3-4- 6'1" 307lbs. A little smaller than the others, but the right height. That said, he passed 2 Steelers criteria while having a pretty good Combine. Bench (37 reps), Vertical (30") & Broad Jump (8'11") were very good results. If the Steelers feel they need depth..

Josh Boyd- Mississippi St- Round 6- 6'3" 310lbs- Like Spence, not the biggest guy. But he passes well on 2 tests- Bench (32 Reps) & 3 Cone (7.16), while sitting very close to Hankins in Vertical (26.5") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.64). Far from the worst selection possible.

Chadman
03-08-2013, 06:40 AM
DE:
Not the greatest year for 3-4 DE's, but there are a few options. While the idea of another DE might send a few board members into an apoplectic fit, we have to consider that BOTH starting DE's are UFA's next season...

Sheldon Richardson- Missouri- Round 1- a little short as a 3-4 DE in the Steelers system, but he passes on all the Combin drills- 40 yard (5.02), Bench (30 reps), Vertical (32"). Not convinced he's the best fit for the Steelers at #17 however.

Datone Jones- UCLA- Round 1- 6'4" 283lbs, just about the perfect build for a 3-4 DE. Passes all the Steeler criteria -40 yard (4.80), Bench (29 reps), Vertical (31.5"). Hard to really decide where he lands in Round 1, but if he's available at #17, and the Steelers are not sold on Hood, Jones might get some consideration.

Margus Hunt- SMU- Round 2- 6'8" 277lbs, tall and long, he's got a great frame for a DE. To add to that, he was a Combine freak, topping every Steeler criteria at DE- 40 yard (4.60), Bench (38 reps), Vertical (34.5"). If he is on the board when the Steelers second pick comes up, he might get some very serious consideration.

Malliciah Goodman- Clemson- Round 3- 6'4" 276lbs. Similar build to a young Brett Keisel. Had a good Combine, meeting 2 of 3 Steeler criteria, while JUST missing th 3rd- 40 yard (4.87), Bench (26 reps), Vertical (31.5"). He might be able to help in a rotational role in th short term as he adds bulk. While not convinced th Steelers would grab him in the 3rd, if he was to fall into the 4th...

Lavar Edwards- LSU- Round 4-5- 6'4" 277lbs, almost identical build to Goodman. Like Goodman, he passed 2 of 3 Steeler criteria, but his excuse is different- he didn't perform the Bench. 40 yard (4.80), Vertical (33"), both passed very well. Probably a more likely option than Goodman. Might prove very good value in the latter-mid rounds.

Nick Williams- Samford- Round 7- 6'5" 309lbs, one of the bigger 3-4 DE options, he had a great Combine- 40 yard (4.94), Bench (28 reps), Vertical (33"). Fits the role very well, and could be a very good late option for the Steelers.

Chadman
03-08-2013, 09:11 AM
Next group up are the LB's.

Because it is such a large group, the review may be slightly different in it's lay-out to the other positions.

ILB:
The players that Chadman will identify as ILB's for the Steelers are Kevin Minter, Manti Te'o, Kiko Alonso, Jon Bostic, Nico Johnson, Kevin Riddick, AJ Klein, Steve Beauharnais, Alec Ogletree, Arthur Brown, Gerald Hodges, Mike Mauti, Brandon Hepburn & John Lotulelei.

Of this group, only Bostic (4.61), Klein (4.66), Hepburn (4.68) & Ogletree (4.70) met the Steelers 40 yard mark (4.70). (Nico Johnson, Arthur Brown, Kiko Alonso & Mike Mauti did not participate in the 40 Yard)

Of this group, only Mauti (28 reps), Lotulelei (25 reps) & Minter (25 reps) met the Steelers Bench Press mark (25 Reps). (Nico Johnson, Manti Te'o, Kiko Alonso & Arthur Brown did not participate)

Of this group, only Lotulelei (35.5") met the Steelers Vertical Jump mark of 34". (Nico Johnson, Kiko Alonso, Arthur Brown, AJ Klein, Mike Mauti, Kevin Riddick did not participate)

Of this group, only Hepburn (10'4"), Ogletree (10'2"), Hodges (9'11"), Minter (9'11"), Beauharnais (9'10"), Bostic (9'10"), Lotulelei (9'9"), Brown (9'8"), Klein (9'5"), Riddick (9'5"), Te'o (9'5") met the Steelers Broad Jump mark (9'5"). (Nico Johnson, Mike Mauti, Kiko Alonso did not participate.)

Of this group, only Beauharnais (4.2), Bostic (4.24), Te'o (4.27), Lotulelei (4.3), Ogletree (4.39) met the Steelers 20 Yard Shuttle mark (4.40). (Nico Johnson, Kiko Alonso, Arthur Brown, Gerald Hodges, AJ Klein, Kevin Minter & Kevin Riddick did not participate).

Of this group, only Lotulelei (6.91), Beauharnais (6.99), Bostic (6.99) met the Steelers 3 Cone mark (7.00). (Nico Johnson, Mike Mauti, AJ Klein, Kevin Minter, Kevin Riddick, Kiko Alonso, Arthur Brown, Gerald Hodges did not participate).

Obviously a number of ILB options did not take part in their drills, so Pro Days will determine a lot. What we did see though is that John Lotulelei has put himself into consideration, as did Jon Bostic & Steve Beauharnais.

Chadman
03-09-2013, 01:19 AM
OLB:
For Steelers 3-4 OLB purposes, the following players will be considered 3-4 OLB's- Dion Jordan, Ezekiel Ansah, Damontre Moore, Alex Okafor, Sam Montgomery, Cornelius Carradine, John Simon, Corey Lemonier, Cornelius Washington, Stansley Mponga, Jarvis Jones, Barkavious Mingo, Khaseem Green, Sio Moore, Jamie Collins, Trevardo Williams, Sean Porter, Brandon Jenkins, Zavier Gooden, Chase Thomas, Ty Powell & Sam Barrington.

As you can see, there are several OLB options that were present at the Combine...

40 Yard- From this group, the following players pass the Steeler Criteria (4.7)- Zavier Gooden (4.47), Cornelius Washington (4.55), Trevardo Williams (4.57), Barkevious Mingo (4.58), Dion Jordan (4.60), Cory Lemonier (4.60), Ezekiel Ansah (4.63), Jamie Collins (4.64), Ty Powell (4.64), Sio Moore (4.65). (Jarvis Jones, Cornelius Carradine, Stansley Mponga, Alex Okefor & John Simon did not participate)

Bench Press- From this group, the following players pass he Steeler Criteria (25 reps)- Cornelius Washington (36), Stansley Mponga (30), Trevardo Williams (30), Sio Moore (29), Cornelius Carradine (28), Zavier Gooden (27), Corey Lemonier (27). (Barkevious Mingo, Sam Montgomery, John Simon, Jarvis Jones did not participate)

Vertical Jump- From this group, the following players pass the Steeler Criteria (34")- Jamie Collins (41.5"), Cornelius Washington (39"), Sio Moore (38"), Trevardo Williams (38"), Barkevious Mingo (37"), Damontre Moore (35.5"), Sean Porter (35.5"), Ezekiel Ansah (34.5"), Sam Montgomery (34.5"). (Jarvis Jones, Cornelius Carradine, Stansley Mponga, Alex Okafor & John Simon did not participate)

Broad Jump- Nearly every LB that performed this drill passed the criteria. It is possible this criteria is irrelevant, or there are just a lot of available athletes for the Steelers!

20 Yard Shuttle- Zavier Gooden (4.18), Khaseem Green (4.20), Ziggy Ansah (4.26), Sio Moore (4.31), Chase Thomas (4.31), Jamie Collins (4.32), Dion Jordan (4.35), Barkevious Mingo (4.39), Corey Lemoner (4.40) & Ty Powell (4.40) all passed the Steelers Criteria of 4.40

3 Cone Drill- Zavier Gooden (6.71), Barkevious Mingo (6.84), Ty Powell (6.98) were the only OLB's to pass the Steeler Criteria of 7.00.

Chadman
03-09-2013, 09:45 PM
FS:

Kenny Vaccaro- Texas- Round 1- 6'0" 214lbs. Passed a few Steeler Criteria- Vertical Jump (38"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.06) & 3 Cone (6.78). Very good player who, if available at #17, might take some serious consideration.

Eric Reid- LSU- Round 1-2- 6'1" 213lbs. Passed 4 of the Steelers Criteria- 40 Yard (4.53), Vertical (40.5"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.22) & 3 Cone (6.99). Excellent College career. If available in Round 2, would not be surprised if we hear his name called for the Steelers at all. Playmaker.

Phillip Thomas- Fresno St- Round 2-3- 6'1" 208lbs. Passed the Vertical Jump criteria for the Steelers (35"). Very productive, but might find there are better overall players available elsewhere.

Tony Jefferson- Oklahoma- Round 3- 5'11" 213lbs- Only took part in the 40 Yard & Bench drills & missed the Steeler Criteria in both.

Baccari Rambo- Georgia- Round 3- 6'1" 211lbs- Only took part in the Bench drill & missed the Steeler Criteria.

DJ Swearinger- South Carolina- Round 3-4- 5'11" 208lbs- Passed 3 Steeler Criteria- Vertical Jump (37"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.11) & 3 Cone (6.70). Far from the worst option. Aggresive player that might be great value in the late 3rd/ early 4th range.

TJ McDonald- USC- Round 4- 6'3" 219lbs- Tall & rangy, son of former 49er. Passed 3 Steeler Criteria- Vertical Jump (40"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.20) & 3 Cone (6.89). Big program, good playmaker. Funny build though- all legs.

Josh Evans- Florida- Round 5- 6'1" 207lbs- Passed 2 Steeler Criteria- 20 Yard Shuttle (4.10) & 3 Cone (6.64) displaying excellent agility skills.

Zeke Motta- Notre Dame- Round 5-6- 6'2" 213lbs- Passed 3 Steeler Criteria- Vertical (35.5"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.16) & 3 Cone (6.75) but displayed OLineman speed with a 4.83 40 Yard & only produced 11 reps on the Bench.

Rontez Miles- California (PA)- Round 7- 6'0" 203lbs- Passed 3 Steeler Criteria- Vertical (36.5"), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.27) & 3 Cone (6.97). Plays nasty. Not bad value late in the draft.

Damoin Stafford- Nebraska- Round 7- 6'0" 221lbs- Only passed 1 Steeler Criteria- Bench (21 reps). Might be too big to be a FS, not fast or agile enough.

Chadman
03-09-2013, 10:08 PM
SS:

Matt Elam- Florida- Round 1-2- 5'10" 208lbs. Passed 2 Steeler Criteria (did not perform 20 Yard or 3 Cone)- 40 Yard (4.54) & Vertical Jump (35.5"). Smart, playmaker. Comes up big in big games. Team leader. not the worst Round 2 choice.

Jonathan Cyprien- Florida Int- Round 2- 6'0" 217lbs. Only participated in the Vertical Jump drill & passed (38.5"). Sharply rising stock, had good Senior Bowl week. Not sure how his level of competition will effect his draft grade.

Shamarko Thomas- Syracuse- Round 2-3- 5'09" 213lbs. Short, athletic player. Sharly rising stock. Passed 4 of 5 Steeler Criteria (Did not participate in 3 Cone)- 40 Yard (4.42), Vertical (40.5"), Bench (28 Reps) & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.26). Might be a 'downhill' type player more than an agile one, despite his obvious speed. How will his height effect his draft grade?

Shawn Williams- Georgia- Round 3- 6'0" 213lbs- Passed 4 of 5 Steeler Criteria- 40 Yard (4.46), Bench (25 reps), Vertical (36") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.25). Doesn't seem to have his stock going up or down, despite good Combine. Compares favourably to Shamarko Thomas on nearly every athletic grade.

JJ Wilcox- Georgia Southern- Round 3-4- 6'0" 213lbs- Passed 2 Steeler Criteria- Vertical Jump (35") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.09). Stock rising since Senior Bowl.

Robert Lester- Alabama- Round 4-5- 6'1" 220lbs- Did not pass 1 Steeler criteria. Stock falling.

Earl Wolffe- North Carolina- Round 6- 5'11" 209lbs- Passed 3 of 3 Steeler Criteria (did not participate in Bench or 3 Cone)- 40 Yard (4.44), Vertical (39") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.07). Will be interesting to see how he grades at his Pro Day, and if the Steelers are in attendance.

Keelan Johnson - Arizona St- Round 7- 6'0" 209lbs- Passed 3 Steeler Criteria- 40 Yard (4.54), Vertical (36.5") & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.07). Displays good running speed & agility. Might be worth a look in the 7th.

Chadman
03-09-2013, 11:43 PM
Moving on to the last group..

CB:

Dee Milliner- Alabama- Round 1- He'll be gone by the Steelers pick.

Xavier Rhodes- Florida St- Round 1- 6'2" 210lbs- Passed 3 of 4 Criteria the Steelers favour (missing the Bench mark by 1 Rep)- 40 Yard (4.43), Vertical (40.5"), Broad Jump (11'00"). Big time player in a big time program that produced another Steeler 1st round pick in Timmons. Physical. Reports suggest he's not a good Zone defender, however. Big possibility at #17 if Lewis signs elsewhere.

Desmond Trufant- Washington- Round 1- 6'0" 190lbs- No player has helped themself as much as Trufant has through the Senior Bowl & now the Combine. Passed every Steeler Criteria (except 3 Cone- did not participate)- 40 Yard (4.38), Bench (16 Reps), Vertical (37.5"), Broad Jump (10'5") & 20 Yard Shuttle (3.85). Extremely competitive. Aggressive. Good ball player. Willing tackler, but technique needs work. Very confident. Excellent Senior Bowl week. Love it- strong chance at #17.

Johnthan Banks- Mississippi St- Round 1-2- 6'2" 185lbs- Bad Combine. Competed in every drill but only passed 1 Steeler Criteria- Broad Jump (10'5"). Ran a slow 40 at 4.61. Might be a Safety at NFL level with those numbers. The opposite of Trufant- no player hurt themselves more than Banks at the Combine. Could drop lower than expected.

Jamar Taylor- Boise St- Round 2- 5'11" 192lbs- Completed in every drill & passed every Steeler selection criteria- 40 Yard (4.39), Bench (22 reps), Vertical (35"), Broad (10'7"), 20 Yard (4.06), 3 Cone (6.82). Had a great Senior Bowl, like Trufant. Competitive player. Not a bad 2nd prize if you miss on the top 3.

David Amerson- North Carolina St- Round 2- 6'1" 205lbs- Good build for a Steelers CB. Passed 4 Steeler Criteria (did not perform the 20 yard or 3 cone)- 40 yard (4.44), bench (15 reps), vertical (35.5") & broad jump (10'7"). If the Steelers want a CB, this guy fits the bill easily.

Jordan Poyer- Oregon St- Round 2- 6'0" 201lbs- Yet another quality player. However....only passed 2 of the Steeler criteria- 20 yard (4.18) and 3 cone (6.87). His other drills fell significantly short in some cases. Willing to suggest he might be on the bottom of the selection pile.


Darius Slay- Mississippi St- Round 2- 6'0" 192lbs- and another quality CB. But again, like Poyer, misses on a few criteria. Only passed 3 drills- 40 yard (4.34), broad jump (10'4") and vertical (35.5"). Not sure...

Robert Alford- Southeastern Louisiana- Round 2-3- 5'10" 188lbs. Smaller CB than most of those before him, and from a smaller program. Took part in all drills & passed 5 of the 6 the Steelers tend to favour- 40 Yard (4.39), Bench (17 reps), Vertical Jump (40"), Broad Jump (11'00") & 3 Cone (6.89). Tested very well. Is he projected too high? Perhaps. If he falls beyond the 3rd, would be a very good option.

Tyrann Mathieu- LSU- Round 2-3- 5'9" 186lbs. Plenty of character concerns here. Smaller style CB. Attempted all drills, passing 3 Steeler criteria- 40 Yard (4.50), 3 Cone (6.87) & 20 Yard Shuttle (4.14). Doubt he's the guy for the Steelers.

Dwayne Gratz- Connecticut- Round 2-3- 5'11" 201lbs. Looked very good in drills at the Senior Bowl. Then proceeded to have a good Combine, passing all Steeler criteria- 40 Yard (4.47), Bench (22 reps), Vertical (38"), Broad (10'5"), 3 Cone (6.70), 20 Yard Shuttle (4.15). Stock is rising. Can look a little slow to react at times, but not terribly. Would be a nice pick.

BW Webb- William & Mary- Round 3- 5'10" 184lbs. Tomlin's old college. Will that help Webb? Played well all Senior Bowl week. Had a decent Combine. Competed in all drills, missing only 2 Steeler criteria, both by hardly anything. He did pass Vertical (40.5"), Broad (11'00"), 3 Cone (6.82) & 20 Yard Shuttle (3.84). Obviously very athletic. Might not be a bad "Cortez Allen" style project.

Other CB's that met a few Steeler Criteria include Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Brandon McGee, Nickell Robey, Steve Williams & Marc Anthony.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-10-2013, 04:03 AM
RB:
Knile Davis- Arkansas- Round 5-7- 5'11" 227lbs. WOW, what a Combine! He went from a nowhere type pick to potentially much higher than he really should be picked. Passed 2 Steeler criteria very well- 40 Yard (4.37) & Bench Press (31 Reps). If his Pro Day goes anything like the Combine, he could move into the middle rounds. Not convinced his a mid-round RB, however.
Don't be surprised if he's picked in the mid-rounds, even by the Steelers. He was only forgotten in 2012 because Bobby Petrino hosed him by getting fired. Petrino had a reputation for picking dang good backs that were forgetten because his offense passes a lot. 3 backs where drafted from Louisville during his tenure (M.Bush, Kolby Smith and Eric Shelton) in addition to Anthony Allen who transferred from Louisville to Ga Tech and is now with the Ravens.

From what I've seen of the kid, he uses his speed, runs reasonably hard, but, doesn't have a lot of "wiggle"... he "weaves", more than he "cuts" - rather than side to side, he goes forward. If he needs to dance, he takes indecisive baby steps... all in all, he'd be great for a zone-blocking, one-cut, run downhill system.

Chadman
03-12-2013, 12:09 AM
Don't be surprised if he's picked in the mid-rounds, even by the Steelers. He was only forgotten in 2012 because Bobby Petrino hosed him by getting fired. Petrino had a reputation for picking dang good backs that were forgetten because his offense passes a lot. 3 backs where drafted from Louisville during his tenure (M.Bush, Kolby Smith and Eric Shelton) in addition to Anthony Allen who transferred from Louisville to Ga Tech and is now with the Ravens.

From what I've seen of the kid, he uses his speed, runs reasonably hard, but, doesn't have a lot of "wiggle"... he "weaves", more than he "cuts" - rather than side to side, he goes forward. If he needs to dance, he takes indecisive baby steps... all in all, he'd be great for a zone-blocking, one-cut, run downhill system.


You might be very, very right... :)

Chadman
03-12-2013, 01:41 AM
Let's see if we can track some Steelers attendances at Pro Days..

OHIO STATE:
Both Kevin Colbert & Dick LeBeau have been mentioned as having been in attendance.

AUBURN:
Keith Butler put Corey Lemonier through LB drills.

MIAMI:
Steelers scout Dave Petett was seen at Miami Pro Day.

UAB:
Steelers were paying attention to ILB Marvin Boudette.

UMASS:
Steelers scouts were in attendance.

KENT STATE:
Steelers OL Coaches were in attendance.

PITTSBURGH:
No surprise, Steelers were in attendance.

TEXAS A&M:
Steelers Kirby Wilson interviewed RB Christine Michael.

NEBRASKA:
Carnell Lake was in attendance, checking on SS Damion Stafford.

TCU:
Steelers were in attendance to watch Stansley Maponga.

MISSOURI SOUTHERN:
Steelers were in attendance to see NT Brandon Williams.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-12-2013, 10:59 AM
Let's see if we can track some Steelers attendances at Pro Days..

OHIO STATE:
Both Kevin Colbert & Dick LeBeau have been mentioned as having been in attendance.

AUBURN:
Keith Butler put Corey Lemonier through LB drills.

MIAMI:
Steelers scout Dave Petett was seen at Miami Pro Day.

UAB:
Steelers were paying attention to ILB Marvin Boudette.

UMASS:
Steelers scouts were in attendance.

KENT STATE:
Steelers OL Coaches were in attendance.

PITTSBURGH:
No surprise, Steelers were in attendance.

TEXAS A&M:
Steelers Kirby Wilson interviewed RB Christine Michael.

NEBRASKA:
Carnell Lake was in attendance, checking on SS Damion Stafford.

TCU:
Steelers were in attendance to watch Stansley Maponga.

MISSOURI SOUTHERN:
Steelers were in attendance to see NT Brandon Williams.

Very nice info, Chadman. They sound pretty focused on defense - that makes me happy. FWIW, I REALLY hope Sean Spence can play - I was the "remember Dat Nguyen?" guy last year....

Rara
03-12-2013, 07:07 PM
The Draft:

Rumours:
Steeler pay close attention/ have a chat with FS/SS Jonathon Cyprien (Florida Int) at Senior Bowl.
Steelers | WR a top priority in the draft (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=837459-steelers-wr-a-top-priority-in-the-draft)
Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:03:41 -0800
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) will make wide receiver a top priority in this year's draft with TE Heath Miller (http://www.kffl.com/player/11312/nfl/heath-miller) (knee) injured and WRs Antonio Brown (http://www.kffl.com/player/22341/nfl/antonio-brown) and Emmanuel Sanders (http://www.kffl.com/player/22700/nfl/emmanuel-sanders) both similar receivers that won't strike fear in opposing secondaries due to their lack of threat on the deep routes. California WR Keenan Allen (http://www.kffl.com/player/27509/nfl/keenan-allen) may be a target, as he's considered a top-15 pick. Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson (http://www.kffl.com/player/27588/nfl/cordarrelle-patterson) is another prospect expected to be taken in the first round, but he's not as polished as Allen and lacks top-end speed.
0 Comments (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=837459-steelers-wr-a-top-priority-in-the-draft) | Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Ed Bouchette (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-sunday-spotlight-speed-kills-and-so-does-the-lack-of-it-673215/)


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz2JzHCwuZx

Confirmed visits:

Confirmed pro-day Visits:

I sure hope that we don't go Wide Receiver in the first round...I really don't. I do like Antonio Brown being our #1 and hopefully he can prove it more this upcoming season.

SteelerOfDeVille
03-12-2013, 08:30 PM
Hey RaRa - I'd rather see a WR than the Safety that people keep talking about... Not sure why half the board (it seems) wants a backup...

Rara
03-12-2013, 11:11 PM
Hey RaRa - I'd rather see a WR than the Safety that people keep talking about... Not sure why half the board (it seems) wants a backup...

Clark and Polamalu are on their decline in years now..atleast Polamalu is. Might as well draft a Safety and groom him.


Anyways...check this out. :HeadBanger

@TonyPauline: Arthur Brown/LB/Kansas State met extensively/had dinner with Pittsburgh Steelers and Jacksonville Jags past 2 days

Chadman
03-14-2013, 09:01 AM
A quick recount of what has transpired over the first 2 days of Free Agency:

Losses:
Rashard Mendenhall- Cardinals
Mike Wallace- Dolphins
Willie Colon- Jets
James Harrison- Released
Keenan Lewis- Cardinals

Gains:
Larry Foote- Re-signed
Ramon Foster- Re-signed
Plaxico Burress- Re-signed
Greg Warren- Re-signed
Bruce Gradkowski- Signed
David Johnson- Re-signed
Matt Speath- Signed Bears

Visits In:
Victor Butler- Cowboys
Beanie Wells- Cardinals (Has had physical at Steelers HQ)
Kellen Davis- Bears

Visits Out:
Keenan Lewis- Saints
Ryan Mundy- Giants

RFA Tenders Signed:
DeMarcus Van Dyke
Jonathan Dwyer

Chadman
03-14-2013, 09:15 AM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: QB

Derek Anderson (Panthers)
Charlie Batch (Steelers)
Matt Blanchard (Bears) RESIGNED- BEARS
Jason Campbell (Bears)
David Carr (Giants)
Matt Cassell (Chiefs)- RELEASED- SIGNED VIKINGS
Kellen Clemons (Rams)
BJ Coleman (Packers) RESIGNED- PACKERS
Chase Daniel (Saints) SIGNED CHIEFS
Dennis Dixon (Ravens) SIGNED EAGLES
Ryan Fitzpatrick (Bills) RELEASED
Joe Flacco (Ravens) RESIGNED- RAVENS
David Garrard (Dolphins) SIGNED JETS
Bruce Gradkowski (Bengals) SIGNED STEELERS
Rex Grossman (Redskins)
Caleb Hanie (Broncos) CUT
Tarvaris Jackson (Bills) RESIGNED- BILLS
Mike Kafka (Eagles) SIGNED- PATRIOTS
G.J. Kinne (Jets) SIGNED- EAGLES
Kevin Kolb (Cardinals) CUT
Byron Leftwich (Steelers)
Matt Leinart (Raiders)
Josh McCown (Bears)
Luke McCown (Falcons)
Matt Moore (Dolphins) RE-SIGNED DOLPHINS
Curtis Painter (Ravens) SIGNED- GIANTS
Jordan Palmer (Jaguars)
Brady Quinn (Chiefs)
Drew Stanton (Colts)
Tyler Thigpen (Bills)
John Parker Wilson (Jaguars) SIGNED- STEELERS
Vince Young (Bills)

Chadman
03-14-2013, 09:23 AM
2012 NFL FREE AGENTS: RB

Alvester Alexander (Titans)- SIGNED COLTS
Jackie Battle (Chargers)
Cedric Benson (Packers)
LeGarrette Blount (Buccaneers) RESIGNED- BUCCANEERS
Ahmad Bradshaw (Giants) CUT
Ronnie Brown (Chargers) RESIGNED CHARGERS
Zachary Brown (Bills) RESIGNED- BILLS
Reggie Bush (Dolphins) SIGNED LIONS
James Casey (Texans) SIGNED EAGLES
Shaun Chapas (Lions)
Tashard Choice (Bills)
Derrick Coleman (Seahawks) RESIGNED SEAHAWKS
Mike Cox (Falcons)
Jerome Felton (Vikings) RESIGNED VIKINGS
Justin Forsett (Texans) SIGNED JAGUARS
Mike Goodson (Raiders) SIGNED JETS
Ryan Grant (Packers)
Shonn Green (Jets) SIGNED TITANS
DuJuan Harris (Packers)
Jerome Harrison (Lions)
Lex Hilliard (Jets) RESIGNED JETS
Peyton Hillis (Chiefs)
Brandon Jackson (Browns)
Steven Jackson (Rams) SIGNED FALCONS
Rashard Jennings (Jaguars)
David Johnson (Steelers) RESIGNED- STEELERS
Quinn Johnson (Titans)
Felix Jones (Cowboys)
Greg Jones (Jaguars)
Spencer Larson (Patriots) CUT
Brian Leonard (Bengals)
Stefan Logan (Lions)
Corey McIntyre (Bills)
Rashard Mendenhall (Steelers) SIGNED CARDINALS
Lonyae Miller (Cowboys)- SIGNED RAVENS
Mewelde Moore (Colts)
Jalen Parmale (Jaguars)
Chris Rainey (Steelers)
Darius Reynaud (Titans) RESIGNED TITANS
Javon Ringer (Titans)
Bernard Scott (Bengals)
E. Alex Smith (Browns)
Kevin Smith (Lions)
LaRod Stephens-Howling (Cardinals)
Ryan Torain (Giants) RESIGNED GIANTS
Michael Turner (Falcons) CUT
Leon Washington (Seahawks) CUT SIGNED PATRIOTS
Beanie Wells (Cardinals) CUT
Foswhitt Whittaker (Cardinals) SIGNED CHARGERS
Danny Woodhead (Patriots) SIGNED CHARGERS

Chadman
03-14-2013, 09:35 AM
2012 NFL FREE AGENTS: WR

Kris Adams (Colts) SIGNED GIANTS
Danny Amendola (Rams) SIGNED PATRIOTS
Joe Anderson (Bears)
Emmanuel Arceneaux (Redskins) SIGNED JETS
Devin Aromashodu (Vikings)
Donnie Avery (Colts) SIGNED CHIEFS
Brandon Banks (Redskins)
Ramses Barden (Giants)
Arrelious Benn (Buccaneers) SIGNED EAGLES
Anquan Boldin (Ravens) TRADED 49ers
Dwayne Bowe (Chiefs) RESIGNED CHIEFS
Deion Branch (Patriots)
Steve Breaston (Chiefs) CUT
Plaxico Burress (Steelers) RESIGNED STEELERS
Austin Collie (Colts)
Joshua Cribbs (Browns)
Drew Davis (Falcons)
Early Doucett (Cardinals) CUT
Donald Driver (Packers)
Braylon Edwards (Jets)
Julian Endelman (Patriots)
Brandon Gibson (Rams) SIGNED DOLPHINS
Mardy Gilyard (Jets) SIGNED CHIEFS
Ted Ginn Jnr (49ers)
Jared Green (Panthers) SIGNED COWBOYS
Tori Gurley (Chargers) SIGNED RAVENS
Derek Hagan (Raiders)
Brian Hartline (Dolphins) RESIGNED DOLPHINS
Devery Henderson (Saints)
Darius Heyward-Bey (Raiders) CUT
Dominik Hixon (Giants)
Michael Jenkins (Vikings) CUT
Greg Jennings (Packers) SIGNED VIKINGS
Donald Jones (Bills) SIGNED PATRIOTS
Johnny Knox (Bears) RETIRED
Brandon Lloyd (Patriots) CUT
Ruvell Martin (Bills)
Mohamed Massaquoi (Browns)
Randy Moss (49ers)
Louis Murphy (Panthers) SIGNED GIANTS
Kevin Ogletree (Cowboys) SIGNED BUCCANEERS
Kassim Osgood (Lions) RESIGNED LIONS
Roscoe Parrish (Buccaneers)
Laurent Robinson (Jaguars) CUT
Chaz Schilens (Jets)
Jerome Simpson (Vikings) RESIGNED VIKINGS
Steve Smith (Rams)
Brandon Stokley (Broncos)
Sammie Stroughter (Buccaneers)
Brandon Tate (Bengals)
Devin Thomas (Bears) SIGNED LIONS
Terrence Tolliver (Lions) SIGNED BEARS
Tim Toone (Falcons)
Mike Wallace (Steelers) SIGNED DOLPHINS
Kevin Walter (Texans) CUT
Wes Welker (Patriots) SIGNED BRONCOS
Matt Willis (Broncos)
Titus Young (Lions)- Released - Claimed off Waivers- Rams - CUT RAMS

Chadman
03-14-2013, 09:42 AM
2012 NFL FREE AGENTS: TE

Billy Bajema (Ravens)
Josh Baker (Jets) CUT
Garry Barnidge (Panthers) SIGNED BROWNS
Travis Beckum (Giants)
Martellus Bennett (Giants) SIGNED BEARS
Kevin Boss (Chiefs) CUT
Kevin Brock (Bills) SIGNED CHIEFS
Jake Byrne (Saints) SIGNED TEXANS
Jamie Childers (Rams) SIGNED GIANTS
Dallas Clark (Buccaneers)
Chase Coffman (Falcons)
Jared Cook (Titans) SIGNED RAMS
Chris Cooley (Redskins)
Fred Davis (Redskins)
Kellen Davis (Bears) CUT
Anthony Fasano (Dolphins) SIGNED CHIEFS
Tony Gonzales (Falcons) RESIGNED FALCONS
Clark Harris (Bengals) RESIGNED BENGALS
Ben Harstock (Panthers)
Will Heller (Lions)
Dustin Keller (Jets) SIGNED DOLPHINS
Randy McMichael (Chargers) CUT
Zach Miller (Jaguars) SIGNED BUCCANEERS
Cameron Morrah (Seahawks)
Brandon Myers (Raiders) SIGNED GIANTS
Jake O'Connell (Chiefs)
John Phillips (Cowboys) SIGNED CHARGERS
Leonard Pope (Steelers)
Richard Quinn (Bengals)
Dante Rosario (Chargers)
Martin Rucker (Chiefs)
Matt Speath (Bears) CUT SIGNED STEELERS
David Thomas (Saints) CUT
Delanie Walker (49ers) SIGNED TITANS
Ben Watson (Browns)

Chadman
03-17-2013, 11:21 AM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: OL

OT Brandon Albert (Chiefs) FRANCHISE TAG
OT Sam Baker (Falcons) RESIGNED FALCONS
OG Allen Barbre (Seahawks) SIGNED EAGLES
OT Khalif Barnes (Raiders)
OT D'Anthony Batiste (Cardinals)
OT William Beatty (Giants) RESIGNED GIANTS
OT Demetress Bell (Eagles) CUT
OC Joe Berger (Vikings) RESIGNED VIKINGS
OT Jordan Black (Redskins)
OT Kevin Boothe (Giants)
OG Justin Boren (Lions) SIGNED BRONCOS
OT Eben Britton (Jaguars)
OT Jamon Bushrod (Saints) SIGNED BEARS
OT Rashad Butler (Texans)
OG Antoine Caldwell (Texans)
OG Cooper Carlisle (Raiders)
OT Gosder Cherilus (Lions) SIGNED COLTS
OT Ryan Clady (Broncos) RESIGNED BRONCOS
OG Willie Colon (Steelers) CUT SIGNED JETS
OT Ryan Considine (Ravens)
OG CJ Davis (Broncos)
OT Leonard Davis (49ers)
OG Kyle DeVan (Titans)
OG Derrick Dockery (Cowboys)
OG Brandyn Dombrowski (Chargers)
OC Jon Dorenbos (Eagles) RESIGNED EAGLES
OT Demar Dotson (Buccaneers)
OT King Dunlap (Eagles) SIGNED CHARGERS
OC Andrew Economos (Buccaneers)
OG Ramon Foster (Steelers) RESIGNED STEELERS
OC Dylan Gandy (Lions) RESIGNED LIONS
OG Nate Gardner (Dolphins)
OG Tyrone Green (Chargers)
OG Rex Hadnot (Chargers)
OG Leroy Harris (Titans)
OT Ryan Harris (Texans)
OT Corey Hilliard (Lions)
OT Tony Hills (Colts)
OT Kyle Hix (Patriots) CUT
OG Russ Hochstein (Chiefs)
OT Winston Justice (Colts)
OC Dan Koppen (Broncos)
OC Doug Legursky (Steelers)
OG Andy Levitre (Bills) SIGNED TITANS
OG Kory Leichtensteiger (Redskins) RESIGNED REDSKINS
OT Phil Loadholt (Vikings) RESIGNED VIKINGS
OT Sean Locklear (Giants)
OT Jake Long (Dolphins)
OG Lance Louis (Bears)
OG Deuce Lutui (Titans)
OC Todd McClure (Falcons)
OT Bryant McKinnie (Ravens)
OT Pat McQuistan (Cardinals)
OC Brad Meester (Jaguars)
OG Brandon Moore (Jets)
OC Don Muhlbach (Lions)
OG Richard Ohrnberger (Cardinals)
OG Eric Olsen (Saints)
OT Frank Omiyale (Seahawks)
OG Stephen Peterman (Lions) CUT
OC Mike Pollack (Panthers)
OT Tyler Polumbus (Redskins)
OG Chilo Rachal (Bears)
OG Garrett Reynolds (Falcons) RESIGNED FALCONS
OG Jamey Richard (Patriots)
OT Barry Richardson (Rams)
OG Chad Rinehart (Bills) SIGNED CHARGERS
OT Dennis Roland (Bengals)
OT Geoffrey Schwartz (Vikings) SIGNED CHIEFS
OT Jonathon Scott (Bears)
OG Jarrod Shaw (Browns)
OG Matt Slauson (Jets)
OT Andre Smith (Bengals)
OT Jason Smith (Jets) CUT
OG Chris Spencer (Bears)
OT Max Starks (Steelers)
OG Reggie Stephens (Bills)- SIGNED RAVENS
OT Will Svitek (Falcons)
OG Donald Thomas (Patriots) SIGNED COLTS
OT Jeremy Trueblood (Buccaneers) SIGNED REDSKINS
OT Robert Turner (Rams)
OG Steve Vallos (Jaguars)
OG Louis Vasquez (Chargers) SIGNED BRONCOS
OC Fernando Velasco (Titans)
OT Sebastian Vollmer (Patriots)
OG Brian Waters (Patriots)
OT Guy Whimper (Jaguars) CUT
OG Chris Williams (Rams)

Chadman
03-17-2013, 07:56 PM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: DL

DE John Abraham (Falcons) CUT
DE Cliff Avril (Lions) SIGNED SEAHAWKS
DE Dave Ball (Titans)
DE Kentwan Balmer (Redskins)
DE Justin Bannan (Broncos)
DE Michael Bennett (Buccaneers) SIGNED SEAHAWKS
NT Ron Brace (Patriots) SIGNED REDSKINS
DT Alan Branch (Seahawks)
DE Desmond Bryant (Raiders) SIGNED BROWNS
DT Chris Canty (Giants) CUT SIGNED RAVENS
DE Andre Carter (Raiders)
DT Shaun Cody (Texans)
DT Colin Cole (Seahawks) SIGNED PANTHERS
DE Kenyon Coleman (Cowboys)
DE Keyunta Dawson (Titans) RESIGNED TITANS
DE Mike DeVito (Jets)
DT Marcus Dixon (Jets) SIGNED CHIEFS
DE Glenn Dorsey (Chiefs) SIGNED 49ers
DE Legar Douzable (Titans)
DE Elvis Dumervil (Broncos) CUT
DE Nick Eason (Cardinals)
DT Dwan Edwards (Panthers)
DT Ron Edwards (Panthers) CUT
DT Sedrick Ellis (Saints)
DT Andre Fluellen (Lions)
NT Aubrayo Franklin (Chargers)
DE Dwight Freeney (Colts) CUT
DT Antonio Garay (Chargers) SIGNED JETS
DE Robert Geathers (Bengals) RESIGNED BENGALS
DE Thaddeus Gibson (Titans) RESIGNED TITANS
DE Wallace Gilberry (Bengals) RESIGNED BENGALS
DE Jarron Gilbert (Bills) RESIGNED BILLS
DT Kedric Golston (Redskins) RESIGNED REDSKINS
NT Casey Hampton (Steelers)
DE Nick Hayden (Bengals) SIGNED COWBOYS
DE William Hayes (Rams)
NT Sammie Hill (Lions) SIGNED TITANS
DE Vonnie Holliday (Cardinals)
DE Jason Hunter (Broncos) SIGNED RAIDERS
DE Isreal Idonije (Bears)
DE Lawrence Jackson (Lions)
DE Cullen Jenkins (Eagles) CUT SIGNED GIANTS
DT Ricky-Jean Francois (49ers) SIGNED COLTS
DT Antonio Johnson (Colts)
DE Michael Johnson (Bengals)
DT Spencer Johnson (Bills)
DE Jason Jones (Seattle) SIGNED LIONS
NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu (Ravens)
NT Terrence Knighton (Jaguars) SIGNED BRONCOS
DE LP Ladouceur (Cowboys) RESIGNED COWBOYS
DT Derek Landri (Eagles)
DT Trevor Laws (Rams)
DE Vaughn Martin (Chargers)
DE Ryan McBean (Ravens)
DE Turk McBride (Saints)
DT Tony McDaniel (Dolphins)
DT Henry Melton (Bears) RESIGNED BEARS
DE Phillip Merling (Packers) SIGNED REDSKINS
DE Shawn Merriman (Bills) RETIRED
DT Roy Miller (Buccaneers) SIGNED JAGUARS
DT Fili Moala (Colts) RESIGNED COLTS
DE Kyle Moore (Bills)
DE Jesse Nading (Texans)
DT Amobe Okoye (Bears)
DE Jaqua Parker (Browns)
DE Martin Parker (Giants) CUT
DT Mike Patterson (Eagles) CUT
DT Sione Pouha (Jets) CUT
DT Brian Price (Bears) SIGNED COWBOYS
NT Shaun Rogers (Giants) RESIGNED GIANTS
DE Frostee Rucker (Browns)- Released
DE Brian Schaefering (Cowboys)
DE Trevor Scott (Patriots)
DE Richard Seymour (Raiders)
DE Matt Shaughnessy (Raiders) SIGNED CARDINALS
DE Lawrence Sidbury (Falcons) SIGNED COLTS
DT Sealver Siliga (Broncos)
DT Pat Sims (Bengals) SIGNED RAIDERS
NT Shaun Smith (Chiefs)
NT Isaac Sopoaga (49ers) SIGNED EAGLES
DE Marcus Spears (Cowboys) SIGNED RAVENS
DT Randy Starks (Dolphins) RESIGNED DOLPHINS
DE Darryl Tapp (Eagles)
DE Dave Tollefson (Raiders) CUT
DE Osi Umenyiora (Giants)
DE Kyle Van Den Bosch (Lions) CUT
DT Vance Walker (Falcons)
DT Ty Warren (Broncos)
DT Corey Williams (Lions)
DT Kevin Williams (Vikings)
DE Jarius Young (Titans)

Chadman
03-18-2013, 02:02 AM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: LB

Xavier Adibi (Titans)
Spencer Adkins (Falcons) SIGNED RAIDERS
Lorenzo Alexander (Redskins) SIGNED CARDINALS
James Anderson (Panthers) CUT
Antwan Applewhite (Panthers)
Antwan Barnes (Chargers)
Nick Barnett (Bills) CUT
Connor Barwin (Texans) SIGNED EAGLES
Chase Blackburn (Giants)
Michael Boley (Giants)- Released
Stewart Bradley (Cardinals) SIGNED BRONCOS
Jasper Brinkley (Vikings) SIGNED CARDINALS
Keith Brooking (Broncos)
Ricky Brown (Ravens)
Kevin Burnett (Dolphins) SIGNED RAIDERS
Victor Butler (Cowboys)
Jonathan Casillas (Saints) SIGNED BUCCANEERS
Dan Connor (Cowboys) SIGNED GIANTS
Karlos Dansby (Dolphins) CUT
Zac Diles (Titans)
Tim Dobbins (Texans)
Justin Durant (Lions)
Dannell Ellerbie (Ravens) SIGNED DOLPHINS
Moise Fokou (Colts)
Larry Foote (Steelers) RESIGNED STEELERS
Keyaron Fox (Texans)
Scott Fujita (Browns)
Omar Gaither (Raiders)
Tavares Gooden (49ers)
Larry Grant (49ers)
Quentin Groves (Cardinals) SIGNED BROWNS
Gary Guyton (Chargers)
Mario Haggan (Rams)
Clark Haggans (49ers)
James Harrison (Steelers) CUT
Geno Hayes (Bears) SIGNED JAGUARS
Erin Henderson (Vikings) RESIGNED VIKINGS
Leroy Hill (Seahawks)
Thomas Howard (Bengals)
Robert Jackson (Redskins) RESIGNED REDSKINS
Bradie James (Texans)
Brandon Johnson (Steelers)
Brad Jones (Packers)
Edgar Jones (Chiefs)
Akeem Jordan (Eagles)
Bryan Kehl (Chiefs)
Sergio Kindle (Ravens) CUT
Niko Koutouvides (Patriots) RESIGNED PATRIOTS
Paul Kruger (Ravens) SIGNED BROWNS
Manny Lawson (Bengals) SIGNED BILLS
Paris Lenon (Cardinals)
DeAndre Levy (Lions) RESIGNED LIONS
Kaluka Maiava (Browns)
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Aaron Maybin (Jets) SIGNED BENGALS
Rolando McClain (Raiders) CUT
Rocky McIntosh (Rams)
Gerald McRath (Titans)
Marvin Mitchell (Vikings)
Kirk Morrison (Bills)
Calvin Pace (Jets) CUT
Mike Peterson (Falcons)
Jason Phillips (Panthers) SIGNED EAGLES
Shaun Phillips (Chargers)
Brady Poppinga (Cowboys)
Keith Rivers (Giants) RESIGNED GIANTS
Nick Roach (Bears) SIGNED RAIDERS
Barrett Ruud (Texans)
Jordan Senn (Panthers) RESIGNED PANTHERS
Bart Scott (Jets) CUT
Scott Shanle (Saints)
Cameron Sheffield (Chiefs) SIGNED COWBOYS
Brandon Siler (Chiefs)
Ernie Sims (Cowboys)
Dan Skuta (Bengals)
Daryl Smith (Jaguars)
Anthony Spencer (Cowboys)
Takeo Spikes (Chargers) CUT
Nathan Stupar (Raiders) SIGNED 49ERS
Bryan Thomas (Jets)
Brian Urlacher (Bears)
Erik Walden (Packers) SIGNED COLTS
Jamal Westerman (Colts)
Phillip Wheeler (Raiders) SIGNED DOLPHINS
Tracy White (Patriots)
DJ Williams (Broncos) CUT
Leon Williams (Chiefs)
Chris Wilson (Redskins)
Will Witherspoon (Titans)

Chadman
03-18-2013, 02:28 AM
2013 NFL FREE AGENTS: DB

SS Hussain Abdullah (Vikings) SIGNED CHIEFS
CB Michael Adams (Cardinals)
CB Vincent Agnew (Cowboys) CUT
SS Will Allen (Steelers)
CB Will Allen (Patriots)
CB Nnamdi Asomugha (Eagles) CUT
FS Sean Baker (Buccaneers) RESIGNED BUCCANEERS
FS Alan Ball (Texans) SIGNED JAGUARS
FS Ronde Barber (Buccaneers)
FS Josh Barrett (Patriots)
SS Yeremiah Bell (Jets) SIGNED CARDINALS
FS Atari Bigby (Chargers) CUT
CB E.J. Biggers (Buccaneers)
CB Will Blackmon (Giants) SIGNED SEAHAWKS
CB Zach Bowman (Bears) RESIGNED BEARS
FS Omar Brown (Ravens)
CB Sheldon Brown (Browns)
FS David Bruton (Broncos) RESIGNED BRONCOS
CB Darius Butler (Colts) RESIGNED COLTS
FS Jarius Byrd (Bills)
SS David Caldwell (Colts) SIGNED GIANTS
FS Don Carey (Lions) RESIGNED LIONS
CB Chris Carr (Chargers)
CB Antoine Cason (Chargers) SIGNED CARDINALS
SS Patrick Chung (Patriots) SIGNED EAGLES
CB Nate Clements (Bengals)
SS Chris Clemons (Dolphins) RESIGNED DOLPHINS
CB Marquise Cole (Patriots)
SS Sean Considine (Ravens)
CB Derek Cox (Jaguars) SIGNED CHARGERS
FS Chris Crocker (Bengals)
FS Tyrone Culver (Dolphins)
FS Craig Dahl (Rams) SIGNED 49ERS
CB Travis Daniels (Chiefs)
FS Louis Delmas (Lions) RESIGNED LIONS
SS Quintin Demps (Texans)
FS Abram Elam (Chiefs)
CB Bradley Fletcher (Rams) SIGNED EAGLES
CB Drayton Florence (Lions) SIGNED PANTHERS
FS Eric Frampton (Cowboys)
CB Dominique Franks (Falcons)
CB Willie Gay (Cardinals) SIGNED STEELERS
FS Matt Giordiano (Raiders)
FS Dashon Goldson (49ers) SIGNED BUCCANEERS
CB Cedric Griffin (Redskins)
CB Brent Grimes (Falcons)
CB DeAngelo Hall (Redskins) CUT
CB Joselio Hanson (Raiders)
CB Kelvin Hayden (Bears)
SS Chris Hope (Falcons)
CB Chris Houston (Lions) RESIGNED LIONS
SS James Ihedigbo (Ravens) RESIGNED RAVENS
FS Tanard Jackson (Redskins)
CB Quentin Jammer (Chargers)
CB Mike Jenkins (Cowboys)
CB Chris Johnson (Ravens)
FS Rashad Johnson (Cardinals) RESIGNED CARDINALS
CB Adam Jones (Bengals)
CB Brandon King (Jaguars) CUT
CB Jacob Lacey (Lions)
FS Dawan Landry (Jaguars) CUT
FS LaRon Landry (Jets) SIGNED COLTS
CB Patrick Lee (Lions)
SS Jom Leonhard (Broncos)
CB Keenan Lewis (Steelers) SIGNED SAINTS
SS Corey Lynch (Chargers)
CB Elbert Mack (Saints)
FS Derrick Martin (Patriots)
SS Sherrod Martin (Panthers)
CB Rashean Mathis (Jaguars)
CB Trumaine McBride (Jaguars) SIGNED GIANTS
CB Brice McCain (Texans)
CB Terrence McGee (Bills) CUT
CB Leodis McKelvin (Bills) RESIGNED BILLS
CB William Middleton (Jaguars)
SS Quinton Mikell (Rams) CUT
SS Michael Mitchell (Raiders)
CB Antwaun Molden (Jaguars) RESIGNED JAGUARS
CB D.J. Moore (Bears)
CB Sterling Moore (Cowboys)
SS William Moore (Falcons) RESIGNED FALCONS
CB Ryan Mouton (Titans)
FS Ryan Mundy (Steelers) SIGNED GIANTS
CB Captain Munnerlyn (Panthers)
CB Terrence Newman (Bengals)
CB Christopher Owens (Falcons)
CB Johnny Patrick (Saints) SIGNED CHARGERS
SS Charlie Peprah (Cowboys)
SS Kenny Phillips (Giants) SIGNED EAGLES
SS Bernard Pollard (Ravens) CUT
CB Tracy Porter (Broncos)
CB Jerraud Powers (Colts) SIGNED CARDINALS
CB Glover Quin (Texans) SIGNED LIONS
FS Ed Reed (Ravens)
FS Kerry Rhodes (Cardinals) CUT
CB Dunta Robinson (Falcons) SIGNED CHIEFS
CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Eagles) SIGNED BRONCOS
CB Aaron Ross (Jaguars) SIGNED GIANTS
CB Stanford Routt (Texans)
SS Anderson Russell (Panthers)
FS James Sanders (Cardinals)
SS Jamarca Sanford (Vikings) RESIGNED VIKINGS
SS Bryan Scott (Bills) RESIGNED BILLS
SS Gerald Sensabaugh (Cowboys) CUT
FS Eric Smith (Jets) CUT
CB Sean Smith (Dolphins) SIGNED CHIEFS
CB Shawntae Spencer (Raiders)
CB Aqib Talib (Patriots) RESIGNED PATRIOTS
CB Greg Toler (Cardinals) SIGNED COLTS
CB Marcus Trufant (Seahawks)
CB Justin Tryon (Giants)
SS Ray Ventrone (Browns)
CB Cary Williams (Ravens) SIGNED EAGLES
SS Madieu Williams (Redskins)
SS Adrian Wilson (Cardinals) SIGNED PATRIOTS
FS George Wilson (Bills) CUT SIGNED TITANS
CB Brian Witherspoon (Giants)
CB Charles Woodson (Packers) CUT

Chadman
03-19-2013, 02:16 AM
Let's see if we can track some Steelers attendances at Pro Days..

OHIO STATE:
Both Kevin Colbert & Dick LeBeau have been mentioned as having been in attendance.

AUBURN:
Keith Butler put Corey Lemonier through LB drills.

MIAMI:
Steelers scout Dave Petett was seen at Miami Pro Day.

UAB:
Steelers were paying attention to ILB Marvin Boudette.

UMASS:
Steelers scouts were in attendance.

KENT STATE:
Steelers OL Coaches were in attendance.

PITTSBURGH:
No surprise, Steelers were in attendance.

TEXAS A&M:
Steelers Kirby Wilson interviewed RB Christine Michael.

NEBRASKA:
Carnell Lake was in attendance, checking on SS Damion Stafford.

TCU:
Steelers were in attendance to watch Stansley Maponga.

MISSOURI SOUTHERN:
Steelers were in attendance to see NT Brandon Williams.

WEST VIRGINIA:
Steelers HC Mike Tomlin & GM Kevin Colbert were in attendance.

MARSHALL:
Pittsburgh scouts were in attendance to watch Aaron Dobson.

FLORIDA:
Head Coach Mike Tomlin & GM Kevin Colbert both in attendance. Confirmed discussion with Florida PK Caleb Sturgis.

ARKANSAS:
All 32 NFL teams were in attendance.

KANSAS STATE:
Steelers were in attendance & showed interest in ILB Arthur Brown.

ALABAMA:
All 32 teams attended. Steelers confirmed talks with UAB OL Chris Hubbard.

MICHIGAN STATE:
Steelers coaches decended on Michigan St Pro Day, with particular attention on RB LeVean Bell & TE Dion Sims.

OKLAHOMA:
QB Coach Randy Fitchner attended.

RUTGERS:
Steelers were spotted in attendance.

OKLAHOMA STATE:
Steelers were spotted at Pro Day, seen watching Joseph Randle.

Syracuse:
Carnell Lake was in attendance.

OREGON:
Steelers scouts were in attendance.

FLORIDA STATE:
Todd Haley was in attendance.

Chadman
03-20-2013, 02:32 AM
Ok, so we've had roughly 2 weeks of FA so far. We are... 36 days away from the draft. Between now & then there will still be some FA signings, but the main rush on FA's is likely over at this point.

We'll still see a few Pro Days coming up, and soon the draft prospect visits will kick in.

It might be time to look at what directions the Steelers might look to go in regards to the draft at this point.

QB:
By signing Gradkowski, the Steelers secured the #2 QB position. They also added Parker from the Jaguars, but he's no guarentee of making the roster. Either a young, likely undrafted QB might be added to become #3, or Charlie Batch might get another ride on the ferris wheel. It wouldn't surprise Chadman to see an UDFA be added before Training Camp.

RB:
Dwyer signed his tender, and Batch is under contract. Redman has also been tendered, but is not yet signed. We've seen apparent interest in both Steven Jackson & Ahmad Bradshaw in FA that has lead to nothing, along with a workout & physical for Beanie Wells that never got beyond that. There are still a few FA RB's available, including Bradshaw, but it wouldn't surprise Chadman to see the Steelers focus on draft picks to help the situation. There have been reported interest shown in LeVeon Bell & Montee Ball so far. Both RB's look like the classic 'pounder' type RB. Safe to say that RB will be a Draft Priority.

WR:
Lost Wallace as expected, and there is some potential the Steelers lose Sanders too. Plaxico has returned, and there are a few young WR's on the roster in Gilreath & Reed that might be given a shot. That said, a WR in the draft seems almost a guarentee- but how high? Both Brown & Sanders could be long-term starters, so Chadman is not convinced WR is as high a priority as other positions, in so far as using a high pick to select one.

TE:
There will be a few posters who don't want to hear this, but Matt Speath & David Johnson probably made a rookie TE a luxury the Steelers can't afford at this point. Because the Steelers are likely to extend Miller next season, Chadman was always a bit skeptical as to if the draft would produce a high round pick for what would basically be a back-up player.

OL:
With the Steelers having invested 4 high round draft picks on the OL in the last 3 years, and now signing Foster to a 3 year deal, the chances of OL being a 1st or 2nd round selection appear to be slim. They might look for a depth player in the later rounds, but they might also choose to add a Vet to do that role too.

DL:
So Chadman has mentioned that both Keisel & Hood become FA's next season. Here's the thing- Chadman would expect that Hood would be retained. Unlike many, Chadman isn't so sure that Hood isn't going that badly. Heyward would step in for Keisel next season, so DE appears shored up for a while. Potentially a later round back-up might be nice, but not necessary. NT however, is more questionable. McLendon only recieved the lowest tender as a RFA, which makes Chadman wonder just how sold they are on him. It could just be a finances thing, but maybe not. Ta'amu is an encouraging player- but that court case looms over him. Fangupo looks solid, but unspectacular. NT is still a sneaky option in Round 1, if not for simply the 'need' factor, but also because 'value' might dictate that a NT is the BPA at #17.. what are the chances of Star Lotulelei falling due to this heart condition?

LB:
Early favourite for the Steelers #1 pick was LB- be it ILB or OLB- didn't matter. With the dust settling on the draft class, it looks more likely that ILB might not be great value at #17. The 2nd round looks like a good position to grab a quality guy, however. At OLB, if Jarvis Jones, Mingo or Dion Jordan fall to #17, then yes- OLB could be a strong chance. IF one of those guys doesn't land at #17 though- it wouldn't surprise Chadman if the Steelers 'commit' to Worilds as the starter & then look for a later round OLB for depth.

DB:
Losing Keenan Lewis hurts, long term. Signing Willie Gay helps, short term. Cortez Allen will become 1 starter, but with Taylor getting up in age, a progression plan at CB might be needed. Like NT, Chadman gets a feeling that CB might be the sneaky option at #17- particularly if only Milliner is off the board at #17. Safety is different- the progression plan at FS & SS is required soon as both starters are on the wrong side of 30. Trufant, with his speed & ballskills, might be interesting at #17. Matt Elam & Eric Reid might prove great value for the Steelers early..

Chadman
03-20-2013, 10:16 PM
Alright... we might have a bit of fun today & put together Chadman's first Mock Draft, based on where the Steelers are at right now. Chadman is going to make a slight assumption & suggest that Ahmad Bradshaw might very well be signed- the Steelers will not want to go into the Draft with a gaping hole in any 1 position. Bradshaw could be simply a stop gap solution, but he takes away the need to 'reach' for a need in any single round- important when considering the depth of 'need' on the roster.

Ok, here we go...

ROUND 1 #17

KENNY VACCARO
FREE SAFETY
TEXAS
6'0" 214lbs

785

The Steelers have generally done a good job of 'Player Progression' during the Tomlin/Colbert regime. Very rarely does this team draft a player with an eye to being an immediate starter- they are generally brought in to develop behind an incumbant starter who's contract/career is coming to it's end within a season or 2. The time has certainly come (some might argue it's a year past) to find Ryan Clark's eventual successor. Vaccaro plays an aggressive style, is good against the run, is used to cover the slot... he's a good fit. Also plays in the BIG 12, one of the Steelers key 'big school, big production' divisions. He's a sensible selection, and whichever way Chadman has sliced it, he keeps coming back with Vaccaro in the top 3 options.

Strengths: Prototypical size and build for the position. Possesses a high-cut frame with good overall musculature. Shows very good straight-line speed, agility, balance and hip flexibility. Athleticism for coverage duties are enhanced by Vaccaro's vision and instincts. Quickly locates the ball and shows an understanding of route-progression, rarely getting caught out of position.

Often asked to drop down from his free safety position to cover the slot, demonstrating a smooth backpedal, hip turn and the burst out of his breaks to stay in the hip pocket of his opponent. Hasn't generated the number of interceptions of prior UT defensive backs, but has good ball skills and showed greater willingness to jump routes as a senior.

Highly aggressive run defender. Flies to the line in run support, demonstrating a physical pop and generally reliable open-field tackling skills. Possesses the long, strong arms for the drag-down tackle, as well as good closing speed in pursuit and on the occasional blitz.

Weaknesses: Can get out of control in his aggression toward the line of scrimmage. Will duck his head in his attempt to make the big hit and leave cut-back lanes for patient, explosive runners to take full advantage. Must do a better job of wrapping up, rather than leading with his shoulder.

Hasn't shown the consistency as ballhawk considering his hype, recording only five interceptions in 51 career games. Teams will want to ask Vaccaro about a few run-ins with authorities. He was reportedly arrested following a fight with another Texas student in 2009 and again in 2012 after failing to obey a lawful order, a misdemeanor.
Compares To: Eric Weddle, FS, San Diego Chargers -- Like the highly instinctive and versatile Weddle, Vaccaro has the athleticism and size to line up wherever his NFL team needs him most. Vaccaro hasn't yet shown the same ball skills as the Chargers' Pro Bowler but showed signs of improving in this area as a senior.

Chadman
03-20-2013, 10:31 PM
ROUND 2 #48

STEDMAN BAILEY
WIDE RECIEVER
WEST VIRGINIA
5'10" 193lbs

786

The Steelers attended the WVU Pro Day en masse the other day, checking in with both WR's Austin & Bailey. While Austin is the homerun threat, Bailey is the better WR, and a better fit for the Offense Todd Haley wants to run. Best word to describe Bailey might be... playmaker. With Wallace gone, and Sanders no guarentee of being a success, having a guy like Bailey makes a lot of sense. Again, like Vaccaro, Bailey played in the BIG 12, which meets the Steelers 'big school/big production' division requirements.

STRENGTHS: Bailey tracks the ball very well and shows outstanding body control and timing on deep passes. He has excellent hand/eye coordination and is a natural hands-catcher, snatching it away from his body with strong hands and making tough catches look easy.

Bailey is a balanced athlete with quick feet in/out of his breaks and the agility in the open field to make defenders miss. He is a smart route-runner and knows how to bait defenders and attract defensive pass interference penalties. Bailey shows excellent patience and burst in his routes with good stop-and-go motions to release at the line of scrimmage and gain a step or work back to the ball. He does a nice job gaining inside position and uses his body well, doing a nice job catching the ball in stride.

Bailey has a RB-like build with a little bit of power for the position and strength to pick up yards after contact. He has some wiggle after the catch and is not always easy to bring down with his slippery run style.

Bailey was extremely productive over his career, setting several school records including career touchdown catches (39). He has good starting experience with 35 career starts the past three seasons, lining up all over the offense.


WEAKNESSES: Bailey lacks ideal height, length and leaping ability, lacking the large catching radius of other receivers. He doesn't have great explosiveness to beat defenders with speed alone, lacking the same suddenness as his teammate Tavon Austin.

Bailey doesn't always appear invested in the play when it isn't designed to go his way. He has limited experience and production on special teams (11 career kick returns).

He needs to play smarter, drawing a celebration penalty after a touchdown against Baylor (2012). He battled a gimpy left ankle much of the 2012 season and has some minor durability concerns. Bailey has some character concerns after he was cited for stealing over-the-counter cold medication in Jan. 2012.

NFL Comparison: Mix of Steve Smith, Carolina Panthers and Golden Tate, Seattle Seahawks - Bailey has the build and athleticism of Tate, but shows the toughness and downfield playmaking ability of Smith

Chadman
03-20-2013, 10:39 PM
ROUND 3 #79

JON BOSTIC
INSIDE LINEBACKER
FLORIDA
6'1" 245lbs

787

The outlook for 2012 Round 3 selection Sean Spence does not look good. The need for security at the position, long term, is quite evident. Bostic is an aggressive tackler, quite instinctive, and a team leader. The Steelers might need to surround themselves with this sort of player. Played in the SEC, so another that fit's the 'big school/big production' mantra. Steelers were out in force at Florida's Pro Day.

STRENGTHS: Instinctive, physical football player who doesn't back down from a challenge. Reads the action well and is faster to the ball than he might appear on the track. Closes with aggression, bringing his hips and driving through the ball-carrier to flash the ability to make the big hit. Seems to enjoy the physicality of the game, rushing to take on fullbacks and pulling linemen.

Does a nice job of keeping square and taking on blocks aggressively, rarely losing ground. Slides off blocks to make the tackle if the ball-carrier gets close. Good strength for the drag down tackle. Keeps his eyes on the quarterback when dropping into coverage and shows some understanding of route development, slipping into holes to thwart passing opportunities. Good ball skills for the position. Times his blitzes well.

Natural special teams candidate due to his aggression, physicality. Vocal team leader.


WEAKNESSES: While Bostic is quick to take on blockers, he isn't necessarily quick to shed them. Appears to have shorter than ideal arms and will lose sight of the ball when battling with blockers. Appears to possess just adequate sideline-to-sideline speed and may struggle to protect the edge against speedier NFL ballcarriers.

A bit stiff in his upper body and can be eluded in the open field. Relies on his eyes rather than athleticism when in coverage and will likely struggle in this area in the NFL, making him likely a two-down linebacker.

COMPARES TO: David Hawthorne, ILB, New Orleans Saints -- Just as "The Heater" has done for the Saints and previously the Seattle Seahawks, Bostic will make a club as an effective run-stuffing middle linebacker despite a lack of top-notch speed.

Chadman
03-20-2013, 10:48 PM
ROUND 4 #115

CORNELIUS WASHINGTON
OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
GEORGIA
6'4" 265lbs

788

After losing James Harrison, missing on Victor Butler, and having said that one area the team needs to improve is rushing the passer, chances are- the Steelers will look at OLB. Washington passed on so many levels at the Combine for Steeler stats that it's hard to overlook him. Big, fast, aggressive & knows how to get to the QB. Might be just enough competition to either nudge ahead of Worilds at ROLB, or to allow the Steelers to move on from Woodley in 2014.

Strengths: Good size and has done a nice job filling out his frame, adding 40+ pounds since high school. Very good length (34? arms) to extend and jolt. Closes quickly with natural burst and a quick first step to accelerate in a flash. Has some range to make plays away from the line of scrimmage with good straight-line speed. Experience standing up at linebacker and rushing from a 3-point stance. Can hold his own at the point and does a nice job getting underneath the pads of blocks to bully. Vocal leader.

Weaknesses: Upright pass rusher and gets too high out of his stance. Needs to keep his eyes elevated and play disciplined to hold contain. Not a natural bender and plays a tad mechanical and tight. Streaky motor and nasty streak, taking some plays off. Some maturity questions after a DUI arrest in Oct. 2011, going 92 miles per hour in a 55 MPH zone (suspended two games). Also attracted some controversy for calling out fans on Facebook this past season.


COMPARES TO: Baraka Atkins, DE, Dallas Cowboys - Like Atkins, Washington displays some natural feel for generating a pass rush, but a lack of consistent get-off and top-end burst will make it difficult to hold a roster spot at the next level unless he can make better use of his length and improve his technique off the snap.

fordfixer
03-20-2013, 11:20 PM
Chairman thanks a lot for taking the time to do this:tt1:tt1:tt1:tt1:tt1

Chadman
03-20-2013, 11:26 PM
ROUND 5 #150

TERRY HAWTHORNE
CORNERBACK
ILLINOIS
6'0" 195lbs

789

After losing Keenan Lewis, the Steelers will need to re-stock at CB for the future Ike Taylor replacement. Hawthorne is an athletic playmaker that can help not only on Defense, but has played snaps at WR & returns kicks. Played in the BIG 10, so level of competition is very good.

STRENGTHS: Good height and frame for the position. Excellent athlete with more than enough speed for the position. Fluid footwork and smooth hip action to quickly change directions. Nice job reading and reacting in a flash to jump routes and make a play on the ball. Rangy with the make-up speed to recover and close. Physical in run support and doesn't shy from contact. Aggressive competitor and doesn't back down from a challenge. Versatile and a quick learner. Some experience as a return man on special teams.

WEAKNESSES: Lanky frame with average bulk for the position and needs to get stronger. Transitional technique needs refinement and needs to do more at the line of scrimmage to reroute receivers. Susceptible to fakes and too easily bites in coverage, needing to show better discipline. Too much contact downfield and needs to show better finesse and timing. Too easily blocked on the outside and lost contain. Only average ballskills and won't always finish the interception. Strong durability concerns with a history of bumps and bruises, including a serious concussion in 2012.

Chadman
03-20-2013, 11:33 PM
ROUND 6

KERWYNN WILLIAMS
RUNNINGBACK
UTAH STATE
5'8" 196lbs


790

The Steelers showed last season they are not afraid to select & use smaller, quicker RB's when they selected Chris Rainey. Williams is a similar player- fast, agile, dangerous... pretty much exactly what the Steelers don't have currently at RB. He'll only be a situational player, but Haley made use of Stephens-Howling at Arizona, and McCluster at KC.


STRENGTHS: Possesses a short, compact frame. Takes quick, choppy steps which give him great lateral agility and burst. Savvy runner who varies his gait, lulling defenders with one speed before showing a quick burst to break into the open field. Very good vision to recognize cut back lanes and make use of downfield blockers.

Possesses excellent ball skills. Secures passes quickly with his hands, showing the ability to easily adjust his body to make tough catches and still maintain forward momentum. Used on a variety of routes out of the backfield for USU, as well as lined up out of the slot and even outside.

Experienced kick and punt returner with the secure hands and elusiveness to maintain this role in the NFL.


WEAKNESSES: Obvious size limitations. Only logged one season (2012) with more than 81 carries so durability has to be a concern despite the fact that Williams never missed a collegiate game due to injury.

Too often goes down to first contact, showing little power to bounce off tackles. Relies on his ability to make defenders miss.

Willing and cognizant blocker, but size limitations are especially evident in pass protection where he offers little more than a speed bump to oncoming defenders.

Has excellent agility and acceleration but does not appear to have legitimate breakaway speed to pull away in the open field. Despite his gaudy return totals has only one kick return for a touchdown over his career (92 yards at Nevada, 2011) despite breaking into the open on multiple occasions.

COMPARES TO: LaRod Stephens-Howling, Cardinals -- Like Stephens-Howling, Williams will have an uphill battle to make an NFL roster but his versatility and big-play potential could make him too valuable to not find a niche.

Chadman
03-21-2013, 12:18 AM
ROUND 6 (COMPENSATORY PICK)

LONNIE PRYOR
RUNNINGBACK
FLORIDA STATE
6'0" 227lbs

791

The Steelers runing game wasn't up to scratch in 2012. Now, with Chadman's proposed signing of Bradshaw, drafting of Williams & the selection of Pryor, the Steelers running game gets a complete re-do. Pryor is the thunder to Williams lightning. Neither RB is the complete package, but combined they could be Alstott-Dunn Part 2. Pryor can be used as a RB, FB or H-Back as required. Again, big school, big production.

Strengths: Possesses an athletic frame with a thick, powerful lower half. Flexible athlete who gets low and flashes explosiveness, driving his legs on contact to clear a hole or run through tackles. Alert, creative blocker who'll lunge to cut defenders in pursuit of his teammates. Natural runner with better lateral agility and speed than his size would indicate.


Weaknesses: A bit of a 'tweener. Built more like a running back than a fullback, possessing narrow shoulders. Wasn't nearly as quick during his junior season when asked to bulk up. Pushes rather than explodes into defenders to block.

Compares To: Edgar Bennett, RB/FB, Green Bay Packers

Chadman
03-21-2013, 12:26 AM
ROUND 7

TANNER HAWKINSON
OFFENSIVE TACKLE
KANSAS
6'5" 298lbs

792

With the Steelers now using the ZBS, the OL needs to become more agile, mobile & athletic. Hawkinson is a former TE that moved to OT for Kansas. Played under Charlie Weis so you know he's been exposed to NFL schemes. If Kelvin Beachum can be an effective OG from the 7th round last season, no reason to believe Hawkinson can't provide solid back-up support as well.

STRENGTHS: Former tight end who has maintained his quickness despite adding nearly 70 pounds over his collegiate career. Good patience as a pass blocker. Eases off the snap and waits for the defensive end to come to him, showing his understanding of the arc and blocking angles.

Good arm length and at least adequate upper body strength to go along with good hand placement to lock onto defenders. Surprising lateral agility to remain square. Flashes a pop as a run blocker and shows some savvy in turning his opponent to seal him from the action. Voted team captain in 2012.


WEAKNESSES: A better football player than athlete, at this time, and therefore may be viewed as lacking upside. Doesn't possess ideal flexibility to adjust to moving targets when run-blocking at the second level. A bit of a technician who struggles a bit with power, especially when he tires and allows his pad level to rise.

Compares to: Oniel Cousins, OT, Cleveland Browns

Chadman
03-24-2013, 07:40 PM
This mock draft is under review...

Chadman
03-25-2013, 11:14 PM
It might be time to now re-assess what the Steelers 'needs',or 'wants' if your surname is Colbert, might be as we get within a month of the NFL draft.

QB- By signing Gradkowski, the Steelers have essentially taken away the 'need' for a back-up QB. Given that the FO is giving every rookie QB a workout, it's quite possible a young QB is still a 'want', however. It would be safe to assume that the Steelers won't be looking at a QB early, but there is every chance that the Steelers will add one at some point.

Names linked to the Steelers include: Geno Smith (R1), EJ Manuel (R2), Tyler Bray (R3), Landry Jones (R3), Zach Dysert (R5), Ryan Griffin (R6)

RB- The Steelers have hosted FA Beanie Wells (Cardinals) but no contract was offered. There are some rumours that Ahmad Bradshaw (Giants) might be targetted. As it stands right now, the Steelers have Jonathan Dwyer & Baron Batch on the books with Redman tendered. There is an obvious 'need' to get, at the least, a role player at RB. Would not surprise Chadman to see a FA RB added before Draft Day.

Names linked to the Steelers include: Montee Ball (R3), Christine Michael (R3), LeVeon Bell (R4)

WR- The Steelers lost Mike Wallace. Was anyone aware of this? :) There is some chance, although remote, that they might also lose Manny Sanders to the Patriots. If that happens, Chadman believes that'll be a big kick in the goolies that the Steelers were not prepared for. As it stands, Brown & Sanders are #1 & #2, with Cotchery & Burress behind them. Don't forget the bevy of young WR's like Gilreath that the Steelers appear to like as well, and young Kashif Moore who actually surpasses nearly every other Steeler WR on the "Steeler Draft Criteria" numbers. The Steelers are linked to a number of draftable WR's, but Chadman is starting to wonder if they manage to retain Sanders, is WR REALLY that big a 'need/want'? Or would a mid to late round WR do the job?

Names linked to the Steelers include: Keenan Allen (R1), Robert Woods (R1), Cordarelle Patterson (R1), Tavon Austin (R1), Justin Hunter (R2), Stedman Bailey (R3), Anthony Capasso (UDFA)

TE- Heath Miller appears unlikely to be ready for Day 1 of Season 2013. To counter that, the Steelers have brought back Matt Speath & David Johnson (go on TE lovers, revel in the glory..). While neither player, or hold-over David Paulsen are ready made Pro Bowlers, they are all familiar with the Steelers, and Chadman has to wonder if they just plan to 'get by' until Heath is fit.

Names linked to the Steelers include: Dion Sims (R4), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

OT- Max Starks is still unsigned at this point. Mike Adams & Marcus Gilbert, both 2nd round picks, appear to be the starters at this point in time. Kelvin Beachum & Joe Long are the back-ups. The Steelers made a late play (albeit rather futile) to sign Jake Long, so perhaps not all is as set in stone as it seems. At worst, a back-up OT might need to be added.

Names linked to the Steelers include: Lane Johnson (R1)

OG/OC- By re-signing Ramon Foster & releasing Willie Colon, the interior OL was pretty much secured with DeCastro holding RG. Beachum & Malecki appear to be the back-ups at this stage.

Names linked to the Steelers include: Jonathan Cooper (R1), Brian Winters (R3)

DL- The Steelers have not offered Hampton a contract at this point, and appear to be ready to move on with McLendon, Ta'amu & Fangupo at NT, Keisel, Hood, Heyward & Al Woods at DE. Both Keisel & Hood are UFA's next season, as is McLendon & Ta'amu. As much as it might upset a few on here, DL might get a look, early.

Names Linked to the Steelers include: Brandon Williams (R3), Jordan Hill (R4)

OLB- EVERYONE thinks the Steelers need an OLB since the release of James Harrison. They might be right. Jason Worilds appears to have the inside running at this point, but by bringing in Victor Butler & expressing interest in Dumervel, it seems the Steelers are not content to simply give him the job. Another possibility is that the Steelers are keeping their options open about Woodley & if he struggles next season, they could part ways & move Worilds over to LOLB. What isn't determined is the level of 'want' the Steelers have going into the Draft, but at #17 they should have PLANTY of options.

Names linked to the Steelers include- Ziggy Ansah (R1), Jarvis Jones (R1), Damontre Moore (R1), John Simon (R2-3), Corey Lemonier (R3)

ILB- This was the early season pick for many, but it seems to have gone a bit cold. It appears Sean Spence might be done before he got started. Brian Rolle & Kion Wilson might be given a shot, and Larry Foote was brought back. Dan Conner was chased early in FA, but nothing eventuated.

Names linked to the Steelers include- Arthur Brown (R1), Jon Bostic (R3), Marvin Burdette (UDFA), Michael Mauti (R5)

CB- After losing Keenan Lewis, the long term future at CB was left clouded. Short term, however, Willie Gay was brought back to play the nickle CB role. There are a few young bodies at CB- Brown, Victorian, Van Dyke that could have a shot. Depending on how long they believe Ike Taylor has left might determine if the Steelers are willing to give the current young group of CB's the chance to prove they belong.

Names linked to the Steelers include- None as yet.

Safety- This is a position where 'need' & 'want' might collide as both Clark & Polamalu near the end of their careers, and no young player seems capable of stepping up. Ryan Mundy has moved on & Will Allen is in talks with Dallas.

Names linked to the Steelers include- Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Jonathan Cyprien (R2), Shamarko Thomas (R2-3), Phillip Thomas (R2-3), Damion Stafford (R6-7)

The players named are only those that have ACTUALLY been linked to the Steelers. The Steelers have been spotted at several Pro Days & while they might have been reported to be looking at 1 player, may have cast the eye over several other prospects at the same time.

What we can see is that WR, OLB & S appear to be the priority positions thus far.

Chadman
04-02-2013, 01:55 AM
REVISED MOCK DRAFT


Ok, so we've had a few days to contemplate our navels since Chadman's intial (and perhaps, premature) mock draft.

This one is much better. It might even have videos.


ROUND 1

JARVIS JONES
GEORGIA
OLB
6'3" 245lbs

795


It's not like you don't know who Jarvis Jones is. Thing is, it looks like he might just fall to #17. Now, Chadman is not suggesting that Jason Worilds won't succeed at OLB. In fact, Chadman is pretty confident that Worilds will. Here's the thing though- LaMarr Woodley is getting into the expensive years of his multi-year contract, and not getting younger. Having Jones on board gives the Steelers 2 options- either replace Worilds (if he isn't any good) or move Woodley on once his contract/production are not in line (yes- some of you think that time is now). Jones is simply the best player likely to be on the draft board, regardless of position.

Strengths: Elite playmaker off the edge. Possesses an explosive burst to complement very good timing to consistently cross the face of offensive tackles and get them backpedaling. Has enough flexibility to dip under their reach and close on the quarterback, demonstrating strong hands and an eye for ripping the ball free for the sack and forced fumble. Stronger than he looks and has an effective bull-rush. Also uses this strength to be surprisingly effective in setting the edge despite routinely giving up 70-plus pounds to opponents. Locates the ball quickly and pursues with passion. Athletic enough to drop back into coverage.


Weaknesses: Size limitations. Possesses an impressive build but a frame that may not have much room for additional mass. Relies an awful lot on speed, showing few complementary pass rush moves. Was diagnosed with a spinal stenosis condition while at USC, a condition which has led some notable NFL players to end their careers rather abruptly, including San Diego Chargers Pro Bowl left tackle Marcus McNeill a year ago at just 28 years old.

Compares To: Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos -- Jones isn't quite as explosive off the snap or as reliable an open-field tackler as Miller but he's close. The medical concerns are frightening but make no mistake, Jones is a Pro Bowl talent whose impact in the NFL will be immediate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9UWiKrUQCU

Chadman
04-02-2013, 02:12 AM
ROUND 2


JOHN JENKINS
GEORGIA
NOSE TACKLE
6'4" 346lbs

796


Ok, admit it- how many of you have asked for a double-dip since the Timmons-Woodley year? Well, here you have it again- double-dipping Georgia Bulldogs. Consider Chadman unconvinced about McLendon & Ta'amu. Jenkins is a big, powerful player that can occupy the OL & allow the players areound him to succeed. He might even keep Larry Foote clean.

The 3-4 Defense NEEDS a dominant NT.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFG4woTmmug

Chadman
04-02-2013, 02:19 AM
ROUND 3


CHRISTINE MICHAEL
TEXAS A&M
RUNNING BACK

797

The Steelers will need a RB to at the least, compete with Jonathan Dwyer. Michael is about the most complete RB in this draft- he can do a little bit of everything. The Steelers spent time with him at his Pro Day & have now had him in for a private workout. The interest is there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCVqxFeWFoU

Chadman
04-02-2013, 02:26 AM
ROUND 4


JOSH EVANS
FLORIDA
FREE SAFETY
6'1" 207lbs

The Steelers need to start preparing for life without Polamalu & Clark. While Matt Elam gets the credit, Evans is Ryan Clark to Elam's Polamalu. Smart & instinctive, he seems to be a very solid Safety. Interviews well. Steelers were out in force (as usual) at Florida's Pro Day, where Evans did very well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CdLdRu4NTk

Rara
04-02-2013, 12:11 PM
I am REALLY digging this mock draft, Chad! Every pick so far!