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hawaiiansteel
01-06-2013, 05:03 PM
Robinson: Steelers’ dollars go to defense

By Tribune-Review
Published: Sunday, January 6, 2013

James Harrison and Troy Polamalu are the faces of the Steelers‘ defense, a pair of well-known and well-paid players who have 12 Pro Bowl appearances, three Super Bowl trips and two Defensive Player of the Year awards between them.

They‘re also the primary reason the NFL‘s No. 1-ranked defense is one of the NFL‘s best-compensated.

The offense? With the exception of Ben Roethlisberger, they‘re the guys who are hoping they don‘t get stuck with the check at the team dinner.

While most NFL teams devote roughly an equal amount of salary cap space to their offense and defense, the Steelers spent nearly twice as much on defense ($57.7 million) as they did offense ($30.3 million, or about half of what the Bears paid).

Only the Colts — who spent a league-low $22.7 million on offense — had a similar disparity, according to spotrac.com, a sports contract website.

Roethlisberger accounted for almost half of the offense‘s compensation — $9,895,000, based on his $900,000 salary and various prorated bonuses, including the prorated signing bonus from his $102 million contract.

If that sounds a bit skewed, it‘s not. The AFC top-seeded Broncos spent $41 million on just three players (Peyton Manning, Elvis Dumervil and Champ Bailey), yet they could do so because they rolled over $26 million of previously unused cap space into this season.

Why are the Colts‘ offensive salaries so low, especially for a playoff team? They paid a massive $38.6 million, or about one-third of their $121 million cap space, to players no longer with the team, including Manning, who still counts $10.4 million against their cap. Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney counts $19 million, the most of any player.

The Steelers devoted $10 million of cap room to players who didn‘t wear their uniform in 2012 — even the bumblebee one. Much of that went to former lineman Chris Kemoeatu ($2.869 million), Hines Ward ($1.2 million) and James Farrior ($1 million).

And former Southern Illinois quarterback Chris Dieker, who spent about two weeks in the 2011 training camp? He cost $667 of cap space.

Of the 10 Steelers who counted the most against the cap, only two are on offense: Roethlisberger and No. 10 Rashard Mendenhall ($3.049 million). Numbers 2-8 are defensive players: Polamalu, Harrison, Casey Hampton, LaMarr Woodley, Brett Keisel, Ryan Clark, Lawrence Timmons and Larry Foote.

Polamalu accounted for $9.1 million of cap room, Harrison for $9 million. No one else except Hampton ($4.967 million) counted for even half of what Roethlisberger, Polamalu or Harrison did.

On defense, the Steelers spent $24.1 million for linebackers (second most to the Jets‘ $27.2 million), $19.7 million on the secondary and $13.8 million on linemen. On offense, they devoted $11 million to quarterbacks (compared to the Broncos‘ $19.6 million), $5 million to running backs, $5.4 million to wide receivers, $1.3 million to tight ends and $7.6 million to linemen.

Only the Bills spent less on their offensive line, but the Steelers have a number of young linemen who are still on their first contracts and aren‘t making even $1 million per season.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/3233531-74/million-cap-steelers#ixzz2HE79XRsl

Steelhere10
01-06-2013, 05:25 PM
They always invest on the defensive side, I have preached that before so it really don't matter who is the defensive coordinator they will always be tops on that side always have always will and it goes back to the 70s and it will continue to be that way after the great one is retired. But the way of the defense is gone every since King Roger became the commissioner, it's time for the team to adjust the way they run things even their free agent strategy is dying. Teams in the league now, even the Bengal spend in free agency yet we try and keep our own even when those players are past their prime.

NJ-STEELER
01-06-2013, 05:39 PM
if mendy is at 10

then heath is in the top 10 as well

SS Laser
01-06-2013, 05:57 PM
if mendy is at 10

then heath is in the top 10 as well

I wondered that as well. But maybe Heath's "big" money part of the contract kicks in for 2013?

NJ-STEELER
01-06-2013, 08:24 PM
IIRc heath's cap hit for this year is like $7M

BradshawsHairdresser
01-06-2013, 08:42 PM
I love Troy and James, but $18 million is too much to be invested in these two aging players. Steelers need to ask them to take a big pay reduction (cut and re-sign at a much lower salary) for the good of the team. If they're not willing, thanks for the memories, but it's time to move on.

Woodley ought to give half his salary back to the team; he was stealing from them this season.

Hopefully, Hampton's bags are already packed.

Mister Pittsburgh
01-06-2013, 09:06 PM
Ike has to be up there as well. How is he not in the top 10?

BradshawsHairdresser
01-07-2013, 12:37 AM
Ike has to be up there as well. How is he not in the top 10?
He is not in the top 10 in terms of salary. He's got to be close, though.

SS Laser
01-07-2013, 12:54 AM
Ike is #6 for 2013 not sure what his cap hit was in 2012. His base is 6m and cap hit is 9.4m. Heath's base is 5.1m with cap at 7.9m

It goes Ben,Woodley,Timmons,Troy,James,Ike,Heath,Colon,Bro wn,Clark,Keisel,Hood etc.

BradshawsHairdresser
01-07-2013, 09:43 AM
My bad. I guess I was looking at 2012. It changes in 2013.

Oviedo
01-07-2013, 09:49 AM
They always invest on the defensive side, I have preached that before so it really don't matter who is the defensive coordinator they will always be tops on that side always have always will and it goes back to the 70s and it will continue to be that way after the great one is retired. But the way of the defense is gone every since King Roger became the commissioner, it's time for the team to adjust the way they run things even their free agent strategy is dying. Teams in the league now, even the Bengal spend in free agency yet we try and keep our own even when those players are past their prime.

Agree. Kind of hard to blame our offense when the defense is constantly getting the lion's share of the resources for players who are marginally performing.

The gist of my 4-3 ramblings have always been about the defenses costs with regards to taking two years to train someone versus having rookies come in and play their natural positions. We have to retain more expensive players because we have younger players in the "apprenticeship program" for too long and then when they start to play we have to give them a big second contract.

Our methodology on the defensive side of the ball is expensive to maintain and with the lowest numbers of sacks and INTs in decades we aren't getting value for money.

Slapstick
01-07-2013, 09:57 AM
Agree. Kind of hard to blame our offense when the defense is constantly getting the lion's share of the resources for players who are marginally performing.


The defense was 6th in scoring defense...

The offense was 22nd in scoring offense...we got our money's worth from the defense...

The Steelers offense lost 16 fumbles and threw 14 INTs...that has nothing to do with paying the defense...

Oviedo
01-07-2013, 01:24 PM
The defense was 6th in scoring defense...

The offense was 22nd in scoring offense...we got our money's worth from the defense...

The Steelers offense lost 16 fumbles and threw 14 INTs...that has nothing to do with paying the defense...

...and how many fumbles did the defense force? How many INT did they make? Aren't they suppose to make these things happen since they are #1! (Hint: they were bottom half of the league in both)

feltdizz
01-07-2013, 01:57 PM
...and how many fumbles did the defense force? How many INT did they make? Aren't they suppose to make these things happen since they are #1! (Hint: they were bottom half of the league in both)

more turnovers by the D would only mean more chances for the O to screw something up!

Sugar
01-07-2013, 02:17 PM
...and how many fumbles did the defense force? How many INT did they make? Aren't they suppose to make these things happen since they are #1! (Hint: they were bottom half of the league in both)

I guess I have different philosophy when it comes to defense. To me, keeping the other team from scoring is the #1 priority. Behind that, gaining or maintaining field position. Turnovers are great, but they are the happy side-effects that can happen with a good defense and not necessarily a characteristic of one.

phillyesq
01-07-2013, 03:06 PM
The Steelers make a pretty good effort to balance between offense and defense in the draft. Here is a link to their draft history. Of their past 3 drafts, 6 of 9 premium (picks within the first three rounds) were on offense.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/draft.htm

The salary imbalance right now is largely a result of two factors. First, age. The defense is older and has more veterans. More of the key players on offense, including most of the RBs and WRs, were on initial contracts or tenders. Brown was extended but had little cap hit this year, the first of the deal. On the offensive line, many of the key players, including 2 first and 2 second round picks, are on initial contracts. There is an experience imbalance between the units, but not necessarily a talent imbalance.

The second factor is that many picks on offense have not panned out, for whatever reason. Holmes would be in the midst of a second contract if he wasn't an absolute turd. Sweed did not work out, Mendenhall may not work out, Urbik is gone, etc. Maybe the prima donna nature of many WRs makes them incompatible with the Steelers - Hines was the only guy of any significance to stay with the Steelers beyond his initial contract. Wallace will probably follow Burress and Holmes as a one contract WR.

phillyesq
01-07-2013, 03:08 PM
The gist of my 4-3 ramblings have always been about the defenses costs with regards to taking two years to train someone versus having rookies come in and play their natural positions. We have to retain more expensive players because we have younger players in the "apprenticeship program" for too long and then when they start to play we have to give them a big second contract.


And these ramblings fail to account for the fact that 4-3 DEs and DTs do not often make impacts as rookies, either. Your ramblings also fail to account for the fact that 4-3 DEs are among the highest paid players in the game (I believe their franchise number is second only two QBs). As a general rule, linebackers are cheaper than defensive lineman, but the 4-3 requires more of those more expensive players.

Oviedo
01-07-2013, 03:14 PM
And these ramblings fail to account for the fact that 4-3 DEs and DTs do not often make impacts as rookies, either. Your ramblings also fail to account for the fact that 4-3 DEs are among the highest paid players in the game (I believe their franchise number is second only two QBs). As a general rule, linebackers are cheaper than defensive lineman, but the 4-3 requires more of those more expensive players.

The cheaper OLB are also harder to find and develop which is why the star DEs get paid more since they produce more and usually sooner. That is because they are more of a sure thing versus taking DEs who can't play at the NFL level and hoping you can make something out of them. DEs get paid alot because they are worth it.

Oviedo
01-07-2013, 03:18 PM
I guess I have different philosophy when it comes to defense. To me, keeping the other team from scoring is the #1 priority. Behind that, gaining or maintaining field position. Turnovers are great, but they are the happy side-effects that can happen with a good defense and not necessarily a characteristic of one.

The QB can't score on his back and the opponents can't score if we intercept the ball. We want the same thing but want to get there different ways. Being the #1 defense still lost us 8 games and out of the play-offs. I think we can both agree that the #1 ranking was pretty meaningless.

phillyesq
01-07-2013, 03:38 PM
The cheaper OLB are also harder to find and develop which is why the star DEs get paid more since they produce more and usually sooner. That is because they are more of a sure thing versus taking DEs who can't play at the NFL level and hoping you can make something out of them. DEs get paid alot because they are worth it.

The star DEs get paid more because they are rare, like franchise QBs and LTs. Supply and demand. If it was easy to find somebody who would come in as a rookie and play as a star DE, salaries for DEs would be depressed. Simple economics - the easier it is to replace a player the less value that player has.