Shocking Stats from the Steelers This Year

[SidSmythe]

YARDS AFTER CATCH
#1:Heath Miller: 4.9 (average)
Antonio Brown: 4.8
Emmanuel Sanders: 4.4
Mike Wallace: 4.3

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Steve McClendon had 2 sacks (Very Limited Role) vs. Ziggy Hood's 3 sacks (Starter)
- As I recall 2 of Ziggy's 3 sacks were coverage related and McClendon's were purely beating his guy.
I know McClendon isn't the greatest against the RUN, but can he really be worse than Ziggy Hood???

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JAMES FARRIOR vs. LARRY FOOTE
Tackles
Farrior: 107 (average last 6 yrs)
Foote: 113

Sacks
Farrior: 4.16 (average last 6 yrs)
Foote: 4.00

-Is there really a huge drop off in production??

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LEFTWICH had our 2nd longest RUSH of the season
-no comments needed

[D Rock]

Compared to the Farrior of the last few years...no, I don't think there was a drop off to Foote on the field. In leadership probably, and compared to Farrior in his prime yes, but overall it was certainly not a step back at ILB this year.

[SidSmythe]

Compared to the Farrior of the last few years...no, I don't think there was a drop off to Foote on the field. In leadership probably, and compared to Farrior in his prime yes, but overall it was certainly not a step back at ILB this year.

I think FOOTE is a pretty decent leader though.

How about HEATH leading the team in YAC?????

[D Rock]

I think FOOTE is a pretty decent leader though.

How about HEATH leading the team in YAC?????

Yeah I had been keeping an eye on the YAC of Heath throughout the season. It just seems like every pass he catches he is on the move. Do you think it may be a reflection of the types of routes he runs and the coverage he sees? Crossing routes and throws in the middle that are easier for Ben to put right on target so he can catch it in stride and also being covered by linebackers who may not be able to keep up with him as well as DBs can keep up with WRs.

[lloydroid]

My shocking stats.

26th rushing offense, 3.7 average yard per carry. Less than 100 yards per game rushing.

Redskins average 5.2 yards a carry.

That is major horse turds. And this is from a team that values the rush more than any other team in the NFL and the best they can do is 26th in the league with a 3.7 avg. per carry.

[D Rock]

My shocking stats.

26th rushing offense, 3.7 average yard per carry. Less than 100 yards per game rushing.

Redskins average 5.2 yards a carry.

That is major horse turds. And this is from a team that values the rush more than any other team in the NFL and the best they can do is 26th in the league with a 3.7 avg. per carry.


So what you're saying is that Jonathan Dwyer didn't make the Pro Bowl?

[flippy]

Compared to the Farrior of the last few years...no, I don't think there was a drop off to Foote on the field. In leadership probably, and compared to Farrior in his prime yes, but overall it was certainly not a step back at ILB this year.

Farrior was intimidating. He murdered guys when he hit them. But the production is pretty equivalent.

[lloydroid]

So what you're saying is that Jonathan Dwyer didn't make the Pro Bowl?

I said he was the best back on the roster if he got the carries. He was. He had the most yards, the highest yards per carry and tied with most TDs. He was the best back on the team; I was right. You were wrong. So deal with it. Face your failure. Face it. Embrace it. I was right. You were wrong.

I never said he'd make it to the probowl; Barry Sanders would miss the probowl running behind that O line.

[D Rock]

What was I wrong about?

[lloydroid]

What was I wrong about?

Did you not say there was no way JD would be our best back?

[D Rock]

Did you not say there was no way JD would be our best back?

Not that I recall.

I have however been on record as saying that he is probably to fat to be great. His conditioning is terrible for an NFL running back.

[lloydroid]

Not that I recall.

I have however been on record as saying that he is probably to fat to be great. His conditioning is terrible for an NFL running back.

I don't disagree there. What I _thought_ would happen is that he would play himself into shape, knowing this was his big chance to prove he deserves a huge pay raise. Some how, it never happened, presumably, because he never stayed in a game long enough to lead to an increased capacity. Had he stayed in for more carries, that alone would have caused him to get in better shape. But it never happened. It's akin to only running far enough to where you have the slightest loss of breath, and quit every time at that point. Just like JD, when not pushing one self, the body won't react and change. You aren't giving it any reason to.

All that being said, fat % alone does not determine if a back can succeed; Bettis carried far more fat than JD ever has, and he was a beast for many years, even carrying an extra 30 lbs, at least. But JB was one very unique cat; there has never been a back that big who lasted for that long. Every RB in the history of the game that weighed 250+ has had only one season of 1,000 yards, except two - Bettis and Natrone Means. Means had only 2, while JB had 7. That is a revealing stat if I have ever seen one.

[D Rock]

so why can fat % determine how good a coach is but not necessarily a running back?

[SidSmythe]

I don't disagree there. What I _thought_ would happen is that he would play himself into shape, knowing this was his big chance to prove he deserves a huge pay raise. Some how, it never happened, presumably, because he never stayed in a game long enough to lead to an increased capacity. Had he stayed in for more carries, that alone would have caused him to get in better shape. But it never happened. It's akin to only running far enough to where you have the slightest loss of breath, and quit every time at that point. Just like JD, when not pushing one self, the body won't react and change. You aren't giving it any reason to.

All that being said, fat % alone does not determine if a back can succeed; Bettis carried far more fat than JD ever has, and he was a beast for many years, even carrying an extra 30 lbs, at least. But JB was one very unique cat; there has never been a back that big who lasted for that long. Every RB in the history of the game that weighed 250+ has had only one season of 1,000 yards, except two - Bettis and Natrone Means. Means had only 2, while JB had 7. That is a revealing stat if I have ever seen one.

BETTIS could have been better and done a lot more with a GREAT O-LINE. If Bettis was running behind our line the last few years he'd average 3.2 yard/carry.

BETTIS ate GARBAGE and was well overweight and couldn't recover from injuries b/c of it.

[D Rock]

Brandon Jacobs twice ran for over 1000 yards

[ikestops85]

So did Christian Okoye ... aka the Nigerian Nightmare.

[lloydroid]

so why can fat % determine how good a coach is but not necessarily a running back?

Fat coaches can be successful. Fat backs can be. But in both cases, you probably have a better CHANCE if you aren't fat. I worked for a company that refused to hire anyone fat, (even though they would not say publicly). They said if a person lacked the discipline to not be fat, then they would be a poor employee as lack of discipline would show up in their work as well. It does seem interesting that in the same year Tomlin added a gut, that his team also lacked discipline as well (basing it on penalties, turn overs, etc.)

[D Rock]

Fat coaches can be successful. Fat backs can be. But in both cases, you probably have a better CHANCE if you aren't fat. I worked for a company that refused to hire anyone fat, (even though they would not say publicly). They said if a person lacked the discipline to not be fat, then they would be a poor employee as lack of discipline would show up in their work as well. It does seem interesting that in the same year Tomlin added a gut, that his team also lacked discipline as well (basing it on penalties, turn overs, etc.)


And when do the players take responsibility for their actions in the course of playing the game?


People can talk all they want about penalties and turnovers and lack of focus being the coach's fault. That's horse crap. On game day the players play, and they are the ones who take stupid penalties.

[Slapstick]

Last year, the Giants won the SB. This year, they missed the playoffs...

Does that have more to so with Coughlin's coaching? Or the fact that Eli led the league in 4th quarter TD passes last year and not this year?

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Last year, the Giants won the SB. This year, they missed the playoffs...

Does that have more to so with Coughlin's coaching? Or the fact that Eli led the league in 4th quarter TD passes last year and not this year?It's because Coughlin gained 9 pounds in the offseason. And his wife gained 7. ;-)

[Chadman]

Ok, slightly back to the original post, McLendon would be well used in various roles on the DL, mostly in passing downs, as he seems able to get some pressure. He reminds Chadman of Chris Hoke, kind of a pocket-rocket on the DL.

Thing is, he's not a 3-4 zone blitz NT. He can't stack the middle, draw multiple blockers. He's not the answer, but he's a useful tool to have. Hood is nowhere near as bad as people would want you to believe. Go back and watch some tape, he faces multiple blockers on most plays- more so than Casey did early in the season.

[lloydroid]

BETTIS could have been better and done a lot more with a GREAT O-LINE. If Bettis was running behind our line the last few years he'd average 3.2 yard/carry.

BETTIS ate GARBAGE and was well overweight and couldn't recover from injuries b/c of it.

Ok lets say you are right...and yet he was in the top six rushers of ALL TIME.

[Djfan]

It's because Coughlin gained 9 pounds in the offseason. And his wife gained 7. ;-)

I can't stop laughing. I might wake up Mrs. Fan now because of this.

[feltdizz]

Give McClendon more reps... I don't care if he is soft against the run. Let him learn on the fly.. he will improve.

Bettis was a beast.... he could fall forward for 3 yards without an OL and over time he would wear down a D.

My wife said Tomlin packed on a few... I don't look at guys like that. LOL...

[Oviedo]

Ok, slightly back to the original post, McLendon would be well used in various roles on the DL, mostly in passing downs, as he seems able to get some pressure. He reminds Chadman of Chris Hoke, kind of a pocket-rocket on the DL.

Thing is, he's not a 3-4 zone blitz NT. He can't stack the middle, draw multiple blockers. He's not the answer, but he's a useful tool to have. Hood is nowhere near as bad as people would want you to believe. Go back and watch some tape, he faces multiple blockers on most plays- more so than Casey did early in the season.

Let me guess...the answer at NT is a kid from Australia;)