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SS Laser
12-31-2012, 02:27 PM
17. Pittsburgh Steelers
Manti Te'o NFL Player Comparison
The Pick: ILB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
The Manti Te'o wait is over.
Fans of the Notre Dame linebacker will surely be upset that he's still on the board here, but they should be glad to see him in a situation tailor-made for his talents. But why the fall down the board?
Te'o is a very good linebacker, no question, but his position isn't one of great need at the top of the draft this year. There are teams who could add a middle linebacker, but it's not the primary need for any team ahead of Pittsburgh.
Also (and this doesn't get mentioned enough), Te'o simply isn't a great athlete. He's not Patrick Willis. Instead, look for Te'o to run somewhere around a 4.7 in the 40-yard dash and perform about average in all agility tests at the combine.
Te'o had a brilliant year, and his character can't be questioned, but he's not the elite, all-world prospect that some have made him out to be. It's much more likely he's drafted in the 10-15 range and not the 5-10 range some are predicting.

The rest can be here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1461577-2013-nfl-mock-draft-full-first-round-predictions-with-final-draft-order?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl#/articles/1461577-2013-nfl-mock-draft-full-first-round-predictions-with-final-draft-order/page/18

Still like this pick.

NorthCoast
12-31-2012, 02:34 PM
17. Pittsburgh Steelers
Manti Te'o NFL Player Comparison


The Pick: ILB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
The Manti Te'o wait is over.
Fans of the Notre Dame linebacker will surely be upset that he's still on the board here, but they should be glad to see him in a situation tailor-made for his talents. But why the fall down the board?
Te'o is a very good linebacker, no question, but his position isn't one of great need at the top of the draft this year. There are teams who could add a middle linebacker, but it's not the primary need for any team ahead of Pittsburgh.
Also (and this doesn't get mentioned enough), Te'o simply isn't a great athlete. He's not Patrick Willis. Instead, look for Te'o to run somewhere around a 4.7 in the 40-yard dash and perform about average in all agility tests at the combine.
Te'o had a brilliant year, and his character can't be questioned, but he's not the elite, all-world prospect that some have made him out to be. It's much more likely he's drafted in the 10-15 range and not the 5-10 range some are predicting.

The rest can be here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1461577-2013-nfl-mock-draft-full-first-round-predictions-with-final-draft-order?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl#/articles/1461577-2013-nfl-mock-draft-full-first-round-predictions-with-final-draft-order/page/18

Still like this pick.

Wow. So we are drafting a Larry Foote in the first round?

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 02:38 PM
Wow. So we are drafting a Larry Foote in the first round?

Not hardly. Larry Foote is not a run stuffer nor can he cover like Te'o.

I predict a lot of people will miss the boat on Te'o. I see greatness in him.

Snatch98
12-31-2012, 02:45 PM
Not hardly. Larry Foote is not a run stuffer nor can he cover like Te'o.

I predict a lot of people will miss the boat on Te'o. I see greatness in him.

Agreed. We already have the elite athlete at MLB in Timmons. We need a dude that is going to get in there and grind, but also have the ability to be an emotional leader and play smart. I believe that guy is Te'o

D Rock
12-31-2012, 02:53 PM
I hope Te'o looks like crap in every drill he does at the combine. Perfect way to ensure a moderate slide down to the middle of the first round, and in reality it mean's nothing about him as a football player.

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 03:10 PM
Agreed. We already have the elite athlete at MLB in Timmons. We need a dude that is going to get in there and grind, but also have the ability to be an emotional leader and play smart. I believe that guy is Te'o

Me too. Great post.

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 03:11 PM
I hope Te'o looks like crap in every drill he does at the combine. Perfect way to ensure a moderate slide down to the middle of the first round, and in reality it mean's nothing about him as a football player.

Another great post.

supersteeler
12-31-2012, 03:18 PM
Te'o would be a nice addition to our team but something tells me if we pick a LB its going to be an OLB. I'm not sure the Steelers will keep one of our favorite players James Harrison, his injury history and salary might do him in.

So, if we lose James look for the Steelers to consider OLB. One I'm thinking about is Barkevious Mingo, there is a good chance he will be there when we pick.
It might come down to BPA as we need several position filled.

birtikidis
12-31-2012, 03:38 PM
I think if James goes they'll be comfortable with worilds and carter. Depth at MLB is not so good. Unless spence comes back and looks amazing.

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 03:52 PM
I think if James goes they'll be comfortable with worilds and carter. Depth at MLB is not so good. Unless spence comes back and looks amazing.

I agree. If the Steelers elect to release Harrison it wont be for a draft pick but for someone they feel is ready to step in. And I believe when they weigh the cost of cutting Harrison and what Worilds has flashed they will do this and Worilds will get his chance.

And about Mingo??? He had a very down, disappointing season for LSU. Not sure using your number one pick on him is wise.

DukieBoy
12-31-2012, 04:12 PM
I'd like to see a top safety picked high. I am not a draftnik so no recommendations here. Bleacher report is suggesting Kenny Vaccaro from Texas.

We do need to fill the middle, though. I think Gerald Hodges may be available and well worth a later pick and could be very worthy in the middle of the D. I liked what Mike Mauti showed this season, but those knee injuries ... Just an opinion from an admitted non-draftnik.

Steelhere10
12-31-2012, 06:05 PM
I have a Co worker who is a big fan of Notre Dame and I asked him about the lb and he told me that he is really overrated and that the only reason that he is noticed because the dl is so good and he also said that the guy miss a lot of tackles. So take it for what it's worth and he watches almost all of their games.

Oviedo
12-31-2012, 06:15 PM
If we have the supposed #1 defense in the NFL that many seem content with and doesn't require change, why then would we use our #1 pick on a defensive player? According to many, isn't this season's downfall on Haley and the offense's fault and logically shouldn't we improve the offense?

Sugar
12-31-2012, 06:38 PM
If we have the supposed #1 defense in the NFL that many seem content with and doesn't require change, why then would we use our #1 pick on a defensive player? According to many, isn't this season's downfall on Haley and the offense's fault and logically shouldn't we improve the offense?

Makes sense to me. BPA is the way to go...

Slapstick
12-31-2012, 06:46 PM
You have to ask yourself this:

Are there 17 better football players than Manti Te'o in this year's draft?

If the answer is no, then you simply draft Te'o....

Don't draft for need unless need and value come together, like DeCastro last draft....

Shoe
12-31-2012, 07:04 PM
Not hardly. Larry Foote is not a run stuffer nor can he cover like Te'o.

I predict a lot of people will miss the boat on Te'o. I see greatness in him.

It's not out of the realm, to put Larry Foote's name with Te'o. Foote was Big-10 DPOY one year, when the Big-10 was the still the BIG-10. Anyone who watched UM during his days will tell you he was a player. Maybe not the splash player that Te'o happened to be this particular year, but a player.

For a player like Te'o (who isn't a "Patrick Willis" type beast), what you would like to see as an evaluator, is a redeeming physical quality that belies his "average" physical stature/measurables. Specifically for example, I like to know their hand size. I think it says a lot about their ability to wrap and tackle, when they have large hands (to go with their other talents). Ray Lewis, Troy Polamalu are examples of this. At Pick 17, you couldn't really ask for a better pick though. Follow-up the DeCastro pick, Heyward/Hood (who, despite their failure to make impacts on the field, were drafted a lot on character), with Te'o? Wow. I honestly don't think we can be THAT lucky.

Sugar
12-31-2012, 07:05 PM
You have to ask yourself this:

Are there 17 better football players than Manti Te'o in this year's draft?

If the answer is no, then you simply draft Te'o....

Don't draft for need unless need and value come together, like DeCastro last draft....

I'm thinking BPA, unless it's a QB or a C. We could use the help about everywhere else.

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 07:05 PM
I have a Co worker who is a big fan of Notre Dame and I asked him about the lb and he told me that he is really overrated and that the only reason that he is noticed because the dl is so good and he also said that the guy miss a lot of tackles. So take it for what it's worth and he watches almost all of their games.

I have probably seen every game Te'o has played as well and I dont agree he is over rated. And I am not a Notre Dame fan. It is an unbiased thought on my behalf. If you look at his overall numbers during his career and he he was used differently the past two season I dont know how all those plays would ever translate into being over-rated.

Every player who plays the game of football misses tackles. But with Te'o he is in position to make more tackles than the average player. It's like Ozzie Smith making errors on balls in the hole that go off his glove. He gets to those plays that others cant. Same with Te'o.

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 07:11 PM
If we have the supposed #1 defense in the NFL that many seem content with and doesn't require change, why then would we use our #1 pick on a defensive player? According to many, isn't this season's downfall on Haley and the offense's fault and logically shouldn't we improve the offense?

Ok Ovi, does not the fact that the Steelers played one of the worst opponent win-loss percentages play into their defensive ranking? Do you really believe this is a high ranked defense? If so..I'll, I can say is you gotta be kidding me?!

Look at the yardage and points this so called great denseness gave up versus the lowly, Raiders, Titans, Browns (game 1), Chargers, and Cowboys this year.

Slapstick
12-31-2012, 07:27 PM
I'm thinking BPA, unless it's a QB or a C. We could use the help about everywhere else.

Exactly. If Te'o is the best player, than take him. Simple.

Sugar
12-31-2012, 08:00 PM
Exactly. If Te'o is the best player, than take him. Simple.

Exactly. If it's somebody else, then take them.

lloydroid
12-31-2012, 08:10 PM
No way he falls to 17, unless he has a really bad game vs. AL and stinks at the combine. And if that happens, I'm not sure I want him. He is slated to go top 5 right now. We need a ball hawk DB more than ILB.

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 08:10 PM
Exactly. If it's somebody else, then take them.

Do you think that is what the Steelers did or got when the drafted Cameron Hayward, Ziggy Hood, Rashard Mendenhall, Lawrence Timmons, etc., etc.?

With the Steelers it's always best player available at a position of need. And more times than not it inst usually the best player rated on the board.

Slapstick
12-31-2012, 08:28 PM
I disagree. Value and need. The Steelers don't overdraft under Colbert in the first round.

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 08:33 PM
I disagree. Value and need. The Steelers don't overdraft under Colbert in the first round.

Ok then tell us, was Timmons, Hayward, Hood, Mendenhall the best players on the board when they were drafted?

Oviedo
12-31-2012, 09:00 PM
Ok Ovi, does not the fact that the Steelers played one of the worst opponent win-loss percentages play into their defensive ranking? Do you really believe this is a high ranked defense? If so..I'll, I can say is you gotta be kidding me?!

Look at the yardage and points this so called great denseness gave up versus the lowly, Raiders, Titans, Browns (game 1), Chargers, and Cowboys this year.

I was being sarcastic but until this defense takes a major fall too many have a false sense of belief it is still a great defense. Great defenses sack QBs and get INTs both of which we have become more feeble at doing over the past few seasons. But everyone can keep drinking the "great defense" kool-aid!

Dee Dub
12-31-2012, 09:19 PM
I was being sarcastic but until this defense takes a major fall too many have a false sense of belief it is still a great defense. Great defenses sack QBs and get INTs both of which we have become more feeble at doing over the past few seasons. But everyone can keep drinking the "great defense" kool-aid!

Oh sorry. Misunderstood. We are on the same page.

Slapstick
12-31-2012, 09:21 PM
Ok then tell us, was Timmons, Hayward, Hood, Mendenhall the best players on the board when they were drafted?

At the time of the draft, you absolutely could have argued that any of those players were the best player available... At the very least, one out of a group of equivalent players...

We have the benefit of hindsight now, which no one has on draft day...

winwithd
12-31-2012, 09:58 PM
We are drafting in the Timmons (15th), Polamalu (16th), Hampton (?), and Pouncey (18th) range. So I feel confident we will get a multiple-Pro Bowl caliber player based on our recent draft record. Mendenhall could be Pro-Bowl material on the right team.

I think Timmons could give us another 5 or 6 seasons of play like this last one. Now if we can keep the young corners, Woodley gets off his lazy A** this off-season and comes back playing like he has already, and we can find someone to eventually replace Troy and Ryan, we should be set for a few years on D. I honestly think both Troy and Ryan have at least one and maybe two Pro Bowl type years left in them. And Troy will play at least 14 games next year.

I think we are Super Bowl contenders as long as Ben is healthy.

Slapstick
12-31-2012, 10:15 PM
Hampton was a #19 pick, IIRC... The Steelers traded down...