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Steelhere10
12-30-2012, 04:14 PM
Is showing if they get a chance that they are better than what's been playing.. Every time I watch them they are collapsing the pocket and it make the season more frustrating because they haven't received the opportunity.

Steelhere10
12-30-2012, 04:20 PM
Is showing if they get a chance that they are better than what's been playing.. Every time I watch them they are collapsing the pocket and it make the season more frustrating because they haven't received the opportunity.

Chucktownsteeler
12-30-2012, 04:21 PM
Not sure why we don't see more of McClendon. Seems to be coming along fine.

Shoe
12-30-2012, 04:23 PM
I'm guessing that their problem is that they aren't very aware, because obviously (especially McLendon), they have some ability in collapsing the pocket.

If Heyward isn't starting next year, he is a bust. TBH, he should already be playing significant snaps (if he is a player of worth).

BATMAN
12-30-2012, 05:06 PM
With Hampton wanting to return next seasons, will we get to see McClendon as a starter ? Also, how bad is a number one draft pick if he can't make it as a starter ?

NorthCoast
12-30-2012, 06:37 PM
McClendon not all that good in run support.... that his achilles heal IMO....

Slapstick
12-30-2012, 07:40 PM
Coach Mitchell always defaults to the veteran players. Always.

I don't blame Heyward...nor McClendon for that matter...

Oviedo
12-30-2012, 09:11 PM
Who is the one making the decision not to play the players who get after the QB? That is the problem.

Sooner or later more and more folks are going to realize our roster contains defensive linemen suited to play the 4-3. They have the ability to get after the QB and collapse the pocket but one person wants to keep those round holes and pound square pegs into them.

Our current roster doesn't have the depth at LB to successfully continue with the 3-4 and it will take years to rebuild it. With the major roster changes in the off season that are likely to get under the cap, now is the perfect time to change.

phillyesq
12-30-2012, 09:50 PM
The defense was not the problem this year. McClendon's problem is playing the run - Hampton is still the better player against the run.

I would like to see more of McClendon on passing downs, but if Hampton wants to return on a smaller deal, I have no problem with that. McClendon is fine as a spot player but does not look to be a starter based on his difficulties with the run.

Chadman
12-31-2012, 01:42 AM
Heyward's a bust after 2 years? Pfft.

Heyward is getting the benefit of not being rushed into a starting role like Hood was due to Smith's injuries. We are living through Hood's growing pains as he's had to learn on the run. Not being able to replace Brett Keisel is not a slight on a career.

McLendon is a pocket collapser, but can't draw double teams & stuff the run- the primary role of the Steelers 3-4 NT. He's Chris Hoke- the guy you rotate in to spell the big Bull at NT. We need THAT guy. There should be a few options available in Round 1, or if they have faith in TaŠmu/Fangupo, maybe Hampton gets another year in the Burgh.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-31-2012, 08:37 AM
Why can't McLondon play 3-4 DE? Kimo was over 3 bills. Or, maybe the 4-3 is upon us.

NorthCoast
12-31-2012, 09:46 AM
Why can't McLondon play 3-4 DE? Kimo was over 3 bills. Or, maybe the 4-3 is upon us.

If the Steelers can't find another playmaking LB to play along side Timmons, you may get your wish.

Oviedo
12-31-2012, 09:54 AM
If the Steelers can't find another playmaking LB to play along side Timmons, you may get your wish.

The 4-3 needs to happen. Our LB depth and talent is too thin to effectively put four eliete LBs on the field like LeBeau's 3-4 needs to be successful. There is a reason we are getting less and less sacks. It is because the LBs have to get them in this defense and we don't have those LBs anymore. Foote and Harrison both could be gone this off season. While Worilds would be the obvious Harrison replacement, there is no one to replace Foote at ILB. We can't draft 2 or 3 top LBs so we would likely get journeyman back ups who won't contribute squat if we have injuries next season. Do we even need to discuss the "vanishing" Lamar Woodley?

Now is the time to switch to the 4-3. We have a good base of talent on the DL...more so than at LB. Play to that strength and don't stay with the same thing because of who the Def Coord is. LeBeau is a "genius" so therefore he should be able to adjust and if he can't then move on to someone else.

Slapstick
12-31-2012, 10:17 AM
When LeBeau's D stops working, changes will be made...

Oviedo
12-31-2012, 10:20 AM
When LeBeau's D stops working, changes will be made...

Eight losses. Lowest sack total in decades from a defense supposedly predicated on pressuring the QB. Lowest INT totals in decades. You call this working?

See below from a Prisuta article which hits the nail on the head:



What the Steelers got from their defense this season wasn’t dominating. They don’t sack the quarterback like they used to and they don’t collect turnovers like they used to and fourth-quarter leads are no longer a sure thing.
But that said, this remains a defense you can win with, given a corresponding level of support from the other two platoons. The demise of James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley as an outside pass-rushing tandem is problematic, as is the barely-perceptible development up front of former No. 1 picks Ziggy Hood and Cam Heyward.


This is not the defense it use to be because they have the wrong type of players being forced to play a scheme that doesn't maximize their skill sets. So what do we do? Wait several years to get the right players or change the defense to best fit the players?

What do you want? A dominat defense or one "that can win" if everything else goes right?

Sugar
12-31-2012, 10:27 AM
Eight losses. Lowest sack total in decades from a defense supposedly predicated on pressuring the QB. Lowest INT totals in decades. You call this working?

Whether any of us call it working or not, this is a top-10 scoring D that played some of it's best ball the last few weeks. From behind our keyboards we could suggest all kinds of things, but the men who would make such a decision in the really real world wouldn't tinker with a successful unit so quickly.

MCHammer
12-31-2012, 11:09 AM
We'll know whether there is any chance of switching to the 4-3 soon enough based on whether Hampton and Harrison are brought back.

phillyesq
12-31-2012, 11:58 AM
You need at least 8 good lineman to play a 4-3. You need a bunch of tackles and ends and you need to rotate them. Ziggy Hood played in passing situations all year and got almost no pressure. McClendon cannot stop the run. Heyward got some pressure but also struggles against the run. Keisel is not a great fit for a 4-3 - not really a tackle and not the force you need coming off the edge. Why we would change a defense that was laregely successful to highlight the weakest players on the field is beyond me.

Slapstick
12-31-2012, 01:42 PM
Eight losses. Lowest sack total in decades from a defense supposedly predicated on pressuring the QB. Lowest INT totals in decades. You call this working?

See below from a Prisuta article which hits the nail on the head:



This is not the defense it use to be because they have the wrong type of players being forced to play a scheme that doesn't maximize their skill sets. So what do we do? Wait several years to get the right players or change the defense to best fit the players?

What do you want? A dominat defense or one "that can win" if everything else goes right?

It wasn't players forced to play a scheme that doesn't maximize their skill sets...it was injuries to our starters coupled with poor execution by the young players forced into the lineup...

phillyesq
12-31-2012, 01:44 PM
We'll know whether there is any chance of switching to the 4-3 soon enough based on whether Hampton and Harrison are brought back.

It isn't going to happen. From Tomlin's press conference it sounds like Lebeau will return.

NorthCoast
12-31-2012, 02:14 PM
Eight losses. Lowest sack total in decades from a defense supposedly predicated on pressuring the QB. Lowest INT totals in decades. You call this working?

See below from a Prisuta article which hits the nail on the head:



This is not the defense it use to be because they have the wrong type of players being forced to play a scheme that doesn't maximize their skill sets. So what do we do? Wait several years to get the right players or change the defense to best fit the players?

What do you want? A dominat defense or one "that can win" if everything else goes right?


You are making a huge leap of faith and assuming a lot by claiming a switch to the 4-3 with current players will make the defense "dominant". I don't buy the idea that once a player learns a certain scheme, he cannot be good in another. However, I say that with having no actual playing experience in the NFL so I could be full of $#@%^&$.