Mike Wallace out vs the Browns

[toddjammin]

per steelersdepot.com

Did Wallace play his last down as a Steeler?

[BigRob]

per steelersdepot.com

Did Wallace play his last down as a Steeler?

Seeya Sucka, was good for a few years, then you peaked and realized you can only play in one type of offense.

You'll probably have a great year in Indy for 2013 or wherever BA gets a head coaching gig.

[lloydroid]

Good riddance. Hope we never see him in the black and gold ever again. Go somewhere where all they ask is for you to go deep, nothing else. Have fun getting Larry Fitz $, let's just see what the market bares.

[squidkid]

anyone here remember a certain poster wanting to cut his tender when the steelers had a chance?
anyone remember the wallace ballwashers that said pay him 10+

[pittpete]

Probably figures why play in a meaningless game and risk a career threatening injury.
Bye Mike, thanks for nothing bud;)

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Probably figures why play in a meaningless game and risk a career threatening injury.


He was pretty much in self-protect mode all season long.

[JB13]

He was pretty much in self-protect mode all season long.

I agree with that. If you watched him dog it after the interceptions by Ben in the Dallas and Cincy games, it rings true. Speed will only take you so far - your hands will keep you in the league. I respect him for his willingness to go inside, but he dropped too many passes this year. On post-gazette.com today there's a picture of him against the Chargers and it reads "A Ben Roethlisberger pass just out of the reach of Steelers' receiver Mike Wallace." Completely inaccurate. Should have read "Mike Wallace drops another catchable ball." Goodbye, Mike. If there's one thing the Steelers have a great track record of (with a few exceptions, of course), it's knowing when to let guys leave. I think Wallace will be another entry on that list.

[pittpete]

How about him running for the sidelines on basically any catch underneath, except the Giants game

[lloydroid]

How about him running for the sidelines on basically any catch underneath, except the Giants game

He is truly a punk. Madden was right about that. I hope Browns and Sanders grow up after seeing Wallace shown the door. I know Brown will, as he was never that bad to begin with. Sanders? He acted like such a baby this season and dropped and fumbled balls that hurt this team.

[Chadman]

Never seen so many people so keen to throw away productive players- get rid of Wallace, get rid of Mendenhall, get rid of Foote, get rid of Woodley.

He 2nd guy in line is not always better than the guy on top of the pile.

[BigRob]

Never seen so many people so keen to throw away productive players- get rid of Wallace, get rid of Mendenhall, get rid of Foote, get rid of Woodley.

He 2nd guy in line is not always better than the guy on top of the pile.

What would you do with Wallace?

[Sugar]

Hope you get better soon Mike and we'll see you next season!

[Chadman]

What would you do with Wallace?

Would have valued him more than Brown, for a start.

If what this board claims is true, and Wallace has not tried all year, what does that say of our other WR's that haven't been able to match his production?

[lloydroid]

Would have valued him more than Brown, for a start.

If what this board claims is true, and Wallace has not tried all year, what does that say of our other WR's that haven't been able to match his production?

Other WRs may have less talent than MW, but do give better effort. I NEVER find it acceptable for any player to not give his best effort; it ruins team chemistry regardless of talent level. Look at TO and Moss as examples. Moss has been a model citizen in SF but he was a dark cloud in MN (2nd time around), TN, Oak. Wallace can take his non-trying ways to some other team. He is easily replaceable because he doesn't bother to give full effort.

[kindlecatsb'ng]

Never seen so many people so keen to throw away productive players- get rid of Wallace, get rid of Mendenhall, get rid of Foote, get rid of Woodley.

He 2nd guy in line is not always better than the guy on top of the pile.

How true, Chadman. The "second man up" this year surely demonstrates this as well.
I hope they are able to work a deal with him. He does have strengths that the others lack. That is what a "team" is all about.

Going to the Steelers-Browns game on Sunday and looking for a win!

Kindle
:tt1

[Sugar]

I NEVER find it acceptable for any player to not give his best effort; it ruins team chemistry regardless of talent level.

Yet, some people have said that it would be OK for us to go down against the Browns... :rolleyes:

[Chadman]

Other WRs may have less talent than MW, but do give better effort. I NEVER find it acceptable for any player to not give his best effort; it ruins team chemistry regardless of talent level. Look at TO and Moss as examples. Moss has been a model citizen in SF but he was a dark cloud in MN (2nd time around), TN, Oak. Wallace can take his non-trying ways to some other team. He is easily replaceable because he doesn't bother to give full effort.

Did you leave out Moss' years at NE on purpose because they didn't suit your argument?

Besides, it's an argument based purely on this board's speculation. There have been ZERO reports that Wallace has been a bad team mate. None.

Sad thing is, if he FO hadn't signed Brown to that tit-for-tat contract in the preseason, the Steelers would have kept Wallace. But because he baulked at signing, the FO said "we'll if you won't sign we'll get someone who will" and promptly overpaid a guy with a third of Wallace's career production, crossed their fingers, and hoped they could get something similar out of him. Guess that didn't work out so well.

[Chadman]

How true, Chadman. The "second man up" this year surely demonstrates this as well.
I hope they are able to work a deal with him. He does have strengths that the others lack. That is what a "team" is all about.

Going to the Steelers-Browns game on Sunday and looking for a win!

Kindle
:tt1

Hey Kindle. ;)

Unfortunately, I suspect the Wallace ship has sailed. Now we have 3 identical WR's to bamboozle the opposition with.

[BigRob]

Did you leave out Moss' years at NE on purpose because they didn't suit your argument?

Besides, it's an argument based purely on this board's speculation. There have been ZERO reports that Wallace has been a bad team mate. None.

Sad thing is, if he FO hadn't signed Brown to that tit-for-tat contract in the preseason, the Steelers would have kept Wallace. But because he baulked at signing, the FO said "we'll if you won't sign we'll get someone who will" and promptly overpaid a guy with a third of Wallace's career production, crossed their fingers, and hoped they could get something similar out of him. Guess that didn't work out so well.

Really? What seemed to be the case more than anything is that Brown and Wallace struggle without the other. What did Wallace do when Brown was out?

What are the Steelers supposed to do? Brown deserved an extension. He has a sub par year after the injury. I would imagine Brown is going to bounce back pretty big next year.

What is Wallace really worth? What he can get and he knows he will get more somewhere else.

He also didn't go all out for this team this year, but that was a lot of guys on the Steelers.

[lloydroid]

Yet, some people have said that it would be OK for us to go down against the Browns... :rolleyes:

We all know if we don't win a ring, it's not a successful season, period. If the loss to the Browns made us more likely to win a ring in the next few years, then, yes, I'd take it. I am shocked that some Steeler fans can't grasp that with the Steelers, it's a ring or a FAIL. I am all for events that make a ring more likely, even if it means some current unpleasantnesses.

[Chadman]

Really? What seemed to be the case more than anything is that Brown and Wallace struggle without the other. What did Wallace do when Brown was out?

What are the Steelers supposed to do? Brown deserved an extension. He has a sub par year after the injury. I would imagine Brown is going to bounce back pretty big next year.

What is Wallace really worth? What he can get and he knows he will get more somewhere else.

He also didn't go all out for this team this year, but that was a lot of guys on the Steelers.

Chadman probably unfairly takes out his frustration on Brown. He is a good player. But the Steelers currently have 3 sharp, agile possession receivers, and 1 deep threat. We are losing the deep threat. Chadman's point- they old have lost Brown and replaced him with Sanders or Cotchery. Who replaces Wallace?

[SidSmythe]

All I am hoping for is some team gives him BIG MONEY and we get a 3rd for him

[Chadman]

All I am hoping for is some team gives him BIG MONEY and we get a 3rd for him

Dreading seeing him in a Patriots, 49ers or Ravens jumper though...

[SidSmythe]

Dreading seeing him in a Patriots, 49ers or Ravens jumper though...

Really doubt the Ravens would sign him b/c they have Torey Smith.

BUT lets hope he becomes a cancer if he goes to the PATS. Brady would be up his butt!!

[lloydroid]

Really doubt the Ravens would sign him b/c they have Torey Smith.

BUT lets hope he becomes a cancer if he goes to the PATS. Brady would be up his butt!!

The Ravens tend to hate X-Steelers, so much, that they don't seem to even want them on their roster, with the exception of signing our X-QBs. I recall when Burress was a FA, and they went on record saying they didn't need him because they already had some really tall WR on the roster (who was a bum and never did anything.) I bet they consider Wallace soft and won't even consider him. Pats? I'm not convinced Belichick wouldn't consider him too much a douche to work with. I could see the Raiders going for him, maybe AZ. Skins. Maybe Cinci; they love our left overs. KC. Det. desperately needs another WR to pair with Megatron.

[lloydroid]

Chadman probably unfairly takes out his frustration on Brown. He is a good player. But the Steelers currently have 3 sharp, agile possession receivers, and 1 deep threat. We are losing the deep threat. Chadman's point- they old have lost Brown and replaced him with Sanders or Cotchery. Who replaces Wallace?

Pats seem to do quite well without any deep threat, although they did have Moss for a few good seasons. And I suspect Pgh will draft some speedster who may or may not work out.

[SidSmythe]

The Ravens tend to hate X-Steelers, so much, that they don't seem to even want them on their roster, with the exception of signing our X-QBs. I recall when Burress was a FA, and they went on record saying they didn't need him because they already had some really tall WR on the roster (who was a bum and never did anything.) I bet they consider Wallace soft and won't even consider him. Pats? I'm not convinced Belichick wouldn't consider him too much a douche to work with. I could see the Raiders going for him, maybe AZ. Skins. Maybe Cinci; they love our left overs. KC. Det. desperately needs another WR to pair with Megatron.

I think K.C. needs someone next to BOWE.
If Al Davis was alive he would have been a RAIDER this year already

[BigRob]

Chadman probably unfairly takes out his frustration on Brown. He is a good player. But the Steelers currently have 3 sharp, agile possession receivers, and 1 deep threat. We are losing the deep threat. Chadman's point- they old have lost Brown and replaced him with Sanders or Cotchery. Who replaces Wallace?

A draft pick replaces him. I favor Terrance Williams from Baylor.

[Chadman]

A draft pick replaces him. I favor Terrance Williams from Baylor.

But there's the thing- now the Steelers need to use a high draft pick to replace him. If they lost Brown, a guy on the roster could do what he does.

Which other position do we not draft in order to now replace Wallace?

For the record, Chadman prefers Da'Rick Rogers out of Tenn.

[flippy]

There have been many #1 WRs with far less speed than Brown and Sanders. They have plenty of speed to open up the field with or without Wally.

All 3 of these guys get a bit of a bad rap in all of this. Wally held out and we hold that against him. Brown got his contract and we hold that against him. And Sanders hasn't outproduced either and we hold that against him. It's an impossible standard.

In retrospect, WRs are a dime a dozen. Too bad we didn't give Brown's money to Keenan Lewis? And I think we might be better served giving Wally and/or Manny's money to Cortez eventually.

At the end of the day, Ben can make due with Cotch, Plax, and Paulson to start next season and we can probably outproduce this year's scoring.

[Chadman]

There have been many #1 WRs with far less speed than Brown and Sanders. They have plenty of speed to open up the field with or without Wally.

All 3 of these guys get a bit of a bad rap in all of this. Wally held out and we hold that against him. Brown got his contract and we hold that against him. And Sanders hasn't outproduced either and we hold that against him. It's an impossible standard.

In retrospect, WRs are a dime a dozen. Too bad we didn't give Brown's money to Keenan Lewis? And I think we might be better served giving Wally and/or Manny's money to Cortez eventually.

At the end of the day, Ben can make due with Cotch, Plax, and Paulson to start next season and we can probably outproduce this year's scoring.

you could very well be right.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

But there's the thing- now the Steelers need to use a high draft pick to replace him. If they lost Brown, a guy on the roster could do what he does.

Which other position do we not draft in order to now replace Wallace?

For the record, Chadman prefers Da'Rick Rogers out of Tenn.

rogers had to leave Tenn and transfer to TN tech, chadman.

while I like his skillset, he has a lot of character concerns. Had several issues at Tennessee before they finally cut him loose.

[Chadman]

rogers had to leave Tenn and transfer to TN tech, chadman.

while I like his skillset, he has a lot of character concerns. Had several issues at Tennessee before they finally cut him loose.

Well, there's my Australianism kicking in....

[Eddie Spaghetti]

I actually think he may wind up being more productive than the other TN receivers hunter and patterson, if he can get his head on straight.

[SS Laser]

Only superbowl with Wallace we lost. Superbowl before that we won with a 1st rd WR. I like Wallace. I liked Santonio. I liked Burress. All have/will be replaced just fine.

[supersteeler]

I'm not going to burn any bread on Mike Wallace because he wasn't alone in the underachieving department. The only two players on offense that were consistent were Heath Miller and Max Starks.
The Steelers have cap issues, and we're going to see some familiar faces either play for another team or take a salary adjustment. We can't keep everyone anyway so those of you who think we'll be better off without Mike and Mendy you'll get your wish most likely.

Mike usually gets double coverage, so that tells me other receivers should have better numbers but they don't. If the Steelers could do it, I would try and sign both of them but it appears that won't happen. So whats the alternative? If Mike leaves I'm not so sure our receivers will be as good, they all had a down year but Mike was the only one seeing double coverage in most instances.

If we want to get better offensively it starts on that line. If you have a real good O-line everything falls into place, the run game improves, the pass blocking improves and the QB is better suited to make plays. IMHO if we want to see this offense get better we need a great offensive line first and foremost before we draft another receiver.

[steelz09]

I'm not going to burn any bread on Mike Wallace because he wasn't alone in the underachieving department. The only two players on offense that were consistent were Heath Miller and Max Starks.
The Steelers have cap issues, and we're going to see some familiar faces either play for another team or take a salary adjustment. We can't keep everyone anyway so those of you who think we'll be better off without Mike and Mendy you'll get your wish most likely.

Mike usually gets double coverage, so that tells me other receivers should have better numbers but they don't. If the Steelers could do it, I would try and sign both of them but it appears that won't happen. So whats the alternative? If Mike leaves I'm not so sure our receivers will be as good, they all had a down year but Mike was the only one seeing double coverage in most instances.

If we want to get better offensively it starts on that line. If you have a real good O-line everything falls into place, the run game improves, the pass blocking improves and the QB is better suited to make plays. IMHO if we want to see this offense get better we need a great offensive line first and foremost before we draft another receiver.

The Steelers will never have a "real good O-line" as long as Ben is the QB. Actually, let me alter that statement... The Steelers will never have a "real good passing blocking O-line" as long as Ben is the QB. Do I want Ben as our QB? Yes. With that being said, Ben doesn't know how to be a conventional QB and he'll never learn to be one. Need evidence? How many times will Ben take unnecessary sacks that knock us out of field goal range? He's been in the league to long to not understand field position and how critical 10 extra yards can be especially when 3 points are at stake.

[supersteeler]

When we were 6-3 the O-line was pass blocking pretty well, Ben was having one of his best years, the receivers were getting open, and we were dominating time of possession. Also, we were one of the top teams in converting 3rd downs.....then the injuries.
Then receivers wern't getting open or dropped passes, holding penalties that killed drives. combine that with dumb block N the back penalties on good returns hurt us.

When a component of the offense breaks down, the entire offense breaks down and thats what we witnessed this season. I still believe the injuries were the main reason we faultered, how do you get any continuity when you have a different guy next to you on the field continuously?

[steelz09]

When we were 6-3 the O-line was pass blocking pretty well, Ben was having one of his best years, the receivers were getting open, and we were dominating time of possession. Also, we were one of the top teams in converting 3rd downs.....then the injuries.
Then receivers wern't getting open or dropped passes, holding penalties that killed drives. combine that with dumb block N the back penalties on good returns hurt us.

When a component of the offense breaks down, the entire offense breaks down and thats what we witnessed this season. I still believe the injuries were the main reason we faultered, how do you get any continuity when you have a different guy next to you on the field continuously?

Maybe we should ask the Ravens. They were crushed by injuries worse than us and they still won the division.

Fumbles by Mendenhall, Wallace, Brown, Sanders = STARTERS

Game losing INT's by Ben = STARTER

Our starters lost us the majority of the games this season. Not the backups.

[Ben is awesome]

Never seen so many people so keen to throw away productive players- get rid of Wallace, get rid of Mendenhall, get rid of Foote, get rid of Woodley.

He 2nd guy in line is not always better than the guy on top of the pile.

Couldn't have said it better

[supersteeler]

Hey South of Pittsburgh, I live north of Pittsburgh and I'm with you on your post. Wallace had a bad season compared to his previous ones but he still is our best receiver. Same with Mendy, he is our best back that was set back with injuries and Tomlins dog house.
Foote was one of the productive players, why would you let a player like him leave? Has Spense proven anything?
As for Max Starks they better sign him or Ben will be on a stretcher before the bye.
I'm not willing to trust Gilbert at LT until he can prove his ability to play the position. Starks is a proven vet and played well the last few years, he's still young enough to play another 4 years so I hope we keep him.

The reality is we have cap issues and someone has to go. Letting Max go will be a step backwards on offense but the Steelers are in charge not me so I hope they make the right decisions.

[Flasteel]

Never seen so many people so keen to throw away productive players- get rid of Wallace, get rid of Mendenhall, get rid of Foote, get rid of Woodley.

He 2nd guy in line is not always better than the guy on top of the pile.

Truth. Amazing the amount of lasting vitriol that can be created by a hold-out.

I see this as an opportunity to sign players like Wallace and Mendenhall to reasonable salaries, if the market they are looking for isn't there. Those guys had down years, but still bring quality skill sets to the table which fill niches within this offense.

I'd welcome Wallace and Mendenhall back...if the price is right.

Those who advocate cutting Woodley or Foote are simply retarded.

[NorthCoast]

Other WRs may have less talent than MW, but do give better effort. I NEVER find it acceptable for any player to not give his best effort; it ruins team chemistry regardless of talent level. Look at TO and Moss as examples. Moss has been a model citizen in SF but he was a dark cloud in MN (2nd time around), TN, Oak. Wallace can take his non-trying ways to some other team. He is easily replaceable because he doesn't bother to give full effort.

This from a guy that wants the Steelers to mail in the last game.... :rolleyes:

[lloydroid]

This from a guy that wants the Steelers to mail in the last game.... :rolleyes:

Straw man argument much? Please find where I said for them to lose on purpose. Not once did I ever assert such a thing; I merely listed the benefits of a loss; I never said for the players to not try. Get the difference? Are you able to grasp how each concept is a separate concept? Can you differentiate how each assertion differs from each other?

[fordfixer]

.Yesterday, 12:24 PM #16 lloydroid


Yea screw pride. That was supposed to mean something when the games meant something. They were an embarrassment this year, so lose, and lose in disgrace, so some REAL changes will go down.

Sound familiar?

[lloydroid]

Truth. Amazing the amount of lasting vitriol that can be created by a hold-out.

I see this as an opportunity to sign players like Wallace and Mendenhall to reasonable salaries, if the market they are looking for isn't there. Those guys had down years, but still bring quality skill sets to the table which fill niches within this offense.

I'd welcome Wallace and Mendenhall back...if the price is right.

Those who advocate cutting Woodley or Foote are simply retarded.

You want to welcome back players with horrid characters? Guys who don't even show up for work? Guys who just don't even give any effort on the field? You want them back? Talk about being retarded.

[eniparadoxgma]

.Yesterday, 12:24 PM #16 lloydroid


Yea screw pride. That was supposed to mean something when the games meant something. They were an embarrassment this year, so lose, and lose in disgrace, so some REAL changes will go down.


Sound familiar?

Aw hell! SH$% just got real! :)

[chiken]

Mike Wallace does not want to play in Pittsburgh.. He hates the new offense, he hates not being the man, he hates the short pass game (that We all want Ben to adapt to) You can tell by his body language, You can tell by his interviews, you knew it when he held out last year. The Ridiculous money reported might have not been accurate but I do believe he asked for something he KNEW we would not pay.

Can we just let this guy walk away and stop pretending like He wants to be here. He doesn't We don't have the Money to keep him (he will make sure of it) This type of Guy obviously does not play well when he is disgruntled.. He will forever be Disgruntled in this offense. IT is not designed to match his strengths. Hell why would he stay?

Thanks for the Memories Mike, see you in Indy.

[Flasteel]

You want to welcome back players with horrid characters? Guys who don't even show up for work? Guys who just don't even give any effort on the field? You want them back? Talk about being retarded.

Why don't you leave it to the coaches and players to determine the caliber of their character. I'm inclined to believe that not a single one of them would share your myopic opinion. You sit in front of your TV and computer screen and attempt to make judgements on these men when you have nothing to go on but scraps of information that you process through your warped perceptions.

[lloydroid]

Why don't you leave it to the coaches and players to determine the caliber of their character. I'm inclined to believe that not a single one of them would share your myopic opinion. You sit in front of your TV and computer screen and attempt to make judgements on these men when you have nothing to go on but scraps of information that you process through your warped perceptions.

Yea, well, the only thing wrong with your argument is I HAVE BEEN PROVEN CORRECT in so many of my predictions. Sometimes you can't see the forest through the trees; just because you have a coaching position doesn't make you infallible. Not even close. Wallace is a piece of garbage. He is an immature, self-centered idiot. If you can't plainly see that, you lack any ability to perceive the obvious. I don't need coaches to tell me that. It is beyond obvious. It was our genius coaches who allowed Woodley to play at a fatso weight. Yea, they must be really diligent and brilliant. I have met with some of these coaches; many aren't much brighter than a bag of hammers.

[pittpete]

http://www.edu-negev.gov.il/bs/makif7/english/nostradamus2.jpg

[Chadman]

Yea, well, the only thing wrong with your argument is I HAVE BEEN PROVEN CORRECT in so many of my predictions. Sometimes you can't see the forest through the trees; just because you have a coaching position doesn't make you infallible. Not even close. Wallace is a piece of garbage. He is an immature, self-centered idiot. If you can't plainly see that, you lack any ability to perceive the obvious. I don't need coaches to tell me that. It is beyond obvious. It was our genius coaches who allowed Woodley to play at a fatso weight. Yea, they must be really diligent and brilliant. I have met with some of these coaches; many aren't much brighter than a bag of hammers.

you got a problem with hammers now, too? Is there anything you like?

[supersteeler]

you got a problem with hammers now, too? Is there anything you like?

I think that qualifies for "The Planet Steelers Award" Lol.!

[squidkid]

Why don't you leave it to the coaches and players to determine the caliber of their character. I'm inclined to believe that not a single one of them would share your myopic opinion. You sit in front of your TV and computer screen and attempt to make judgements on these men when you have nothing to go on but scraps of information that you process through your warped perceptions.

that same logic could be used for anyone that has something good to say about any player or coach, correct?

[Flasteel]

that same logic could be used for anyone that has something good to say about any player or coach, correct?

I guess it depends on what you are referring to. Many of us (especially those who have legit knowledge of the game) can watch what unfolds during a game or cobble together statistics and make some pretty accurate assessments about what we see...good or bad. Maybe we could also see a player who engages in a pattern of criminal activity or otherwise operates with a lack of morality and it becomes painfully obvious that the dude is a scumbag.

Attacking a man's character and calling him a "piece of garbage" and an "immature, self-centered idiot" based on his performance and contract stance seems a little hard to do. I would agree that most of us didn't exactly appreciate either facet of Wallace's game this year. But only a warped few could arrive at or agree with the profoundly negative conclusion that Roidrage came up with.

It's nothing less than ridiculous hyperbole from someone who obviously has very little idea how to interpret the world around him and adequately express himself.

Either way Squid...if you want to hitch your wagon to that guy or defend his position, feel free and have fun.:tt2