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supersteeler
12-28-2012, 08:09 AM
Being swept by the Browns would be the lowest of lows in this injury filled season the Steelers had. Some might feel we might be better off losing to get a higher pick in the draft, but they need to win this game and lay the foundation for next season.

Jobs are on the line here, they'll know who packed it in, so pride is at the forefront but so is individual results on the field.
For me, I not only want our Steelers to win I want them to dominate from start to finish and finish on a good note for the lackluster season they had.
I want to read in Mondays paper, " Where was this Offense during the course of the season".

Some fans think injuries shouldn't of been an excuse for us not playing to our capabilities, but in reality they were. If we had our full compliment of starters all season and ended the same way I could say we just ain't that good, but the fact is injuries hurt us big time. Now injuries isn't the only issue we had but it is the main reason, those drops, mistakes and penalties killed drives and might have been the difference winning all those 3 point losses.

WIN!!!!

Oviedo
12-28-2012, 08:32 AM
The "pride game" was last Sunday against the Bumgals. Winning this Sunday for "pride" is too little, too late. In other words it would be a meaningless gesture.

Let's not forget the other "pride games" against Oakland, Tennessee and San Diego. They need to lose this Sunday so they have to live the off season with the stain of a sub-.500 record. Maybe that gets some players motivated to work harder and coaches and the front office motivated to make some real changes. Complacency has found a comfortable home in Pittsburgh.

flippy
12-28-2012, 08:41 AM
The outcome of this game will matter as much as a preseason game. Winning or losing doesn't make a difference to me. What I hope to see is effort. I want to see young guys playing for their future.

We got to see Willie Parker get his first meaningful work in a game that didn't matter. And he produced. He made the game enjoyable. Perhaps this could be a moment for Worilds, Heyward, Rainey, Paulson, Victorian or a guy like Cortez to have another big week and start making a case that he should be our #1 CB.

Will old guys go out an prove they still have it and football matters to them. We can learn which older guys still have something in the tank. If guys like Casey, Foote, Max, etc. go out and give everything they have in a meaningless game, the Steelers may use that in their decision process of who to bring back next year.

Could a malcontent like Wally or Mendy show us something. Could they tell us they haven't mailed it in?

There's lots to look for in this game. But winning doesn't matter.

Ghost
12-28-2012, 09:24 AM
Pride flew out the window a long, long time ago this season. It was especially absent when Rivers threw for 3 TD's and the hapless Bolts, with a coach that's going to be fired, put up 30+ after losing 4 in a row. Outside a few guys, most have looked as if they were ready to be on the golf course in southern FL for all of December.

flippy
12-28-2012, 09:57 AM
Pride flew out the window a long, long time ago this season. It was especially absent when Rivers threw for 3 TD's and the hapless Bolts, with a coach that's going to be fired, put up 30+ after losing 4 in a row. Outside a few guys, most have looked as if they were ready to be on the golf course in southern FL for all of December.

It would actually bum me out if this pride all of a sudden showed up given that it was nowhere to be found when it mattered.

The only motivation I see working in this game is fear and desperation. Guys want a job next year plain and simple. Some of them will be playing for future income.

Oviedo
12-28-2012, 11:40 AM
The outcome of this game will matter as much as a preseason game. Winning or losing doesn't make a difference to me. What I hope to see is effort. I want to see young guys playing for their future.

We got to see Willie Parker get his first meaningful work in a game that didn't matter. And he produced. He made the game enjoyable. Perhaps this could be a moment for Worilds, Heyward, Rainey, Paulson, Victorian or a guy like Cortez to have another big week and start making a case that he should be our #1 CB.

Will old guys go out an prove they still have it and football matters to them. We can learn which older guys still have something in the tank. If guys like Casey, Foote, Max, etc. go out and give everything they have in a meaningless game, the Steelers may use that in their decision process of who to bring back next year.

Could a malcontent like Wally or Mendy show us something. Could they tell us they haven't mailed it in?

There's lots to look for in this game. But winning doesn't matter.

Losing actually gets us a better draft pick. Winning gets us nothing but a false sense of accomplishment.

Wally mailed it in long ago. He is playing not to get hurt.
I would play Worilds and sit Woodley. Woodley has done nothing to show he earned starting over Worilds. He needs a message sent to him.

Let some young players start and lets see what we have.

NorthCoast
12-28-2012, 11:47 AM
Losing actually gets us a better draft pick. Winning gets us nothing but a false sense of accomplishment.

Wally mailed it in long ago. He is playing not to get hurt.
I would play Worilds and sit Woodley. Woodley has done nothing to show he earned starting over Worilds. He needs a message sent to him.

Let some young players start and lets see what we have.

Woodley would get the last laugh sitting on millions in the bank while warming the bench. That's what sucks about guaranteed money.... it doesn't guarantee performance.

Slapstick
12-28-2012, 12:04 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people?!?!?

When did it become okay to lose to the Browns?!?!?!

When did PlanetSteelers become Bizarro World?:confused:

flippy
12-28-2012, 12:10 PM
When did it become okay to lose to the Browns?!?!?!



After we lost to the Bengals. This game became irrelevant. It's like watching the Pirates after the All Star break.

steelfin
12-28-2012, 12:11 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people?!?!?

When did it become okay to lose to the Browns?!?!?!



When did PlanetSteelers become Bizarro World?:confused:

Its okay for the team and players to pack it in for the season, but not the fans?

The Steelers packed it in weeks ago....

The players should be playing for their jobs after their performance this year....

Slapstick
12-28-2012, 01:26 PM
After we lost to the Bengals. This game became irrelevant. It's like watching the Pirates after the All Star break.

If you say so...

But, you're wrong...

You still have, what, 80 games after All-Star break?

There are only 16 Steeler games per year...only two against the Browns...only one of those in Pittsburgh...

Slapstick
12-28-2012, 01:28 PM
Its okay for the team and players to pack it in for the season, but not the fans?

The Steelers packed it in weeks ago....

The players should be playing for their jobs after their performance this year....

Yeah, they've packed it in...:rolleyes:


You can tell by how badly they've been blown out in every game...and how they never had a chance to win any of them...:rolleyes:


Are you going to tell me that Cortez Allen "packed it in" last week?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
12-28-2012, 01:31 PM
Steelers are soft mentally. They couldn't show up in the must win or over the last 6 weeks. I will not EVER root for a loss. But I have less confidence this week than any of the "easy win" games all season. They showed me one game of heart against the Ravens.

Sugar
12-28-2012, 02:02 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people?!?!?

When did it become okay to lose to the Browns?!?!?!

When did PlanetSteelers become Bizarro World?:confused:

I couldn't agree more. The idea of losing being okay at any point is idiotic, IMO. I don't give a rats rectum if this game is "irrelevant" from a playoffs perspective. The fact that the team couldn't rise to the occasion against "lesser" foes earlier in the year is exactly why they need to do it now. Winners may have a down year here and there, but they don't play for better draft picks.

If the Steelers can't make the playoffs, then be the best team that didn't. Be the team that all the others are glad they don't have to face again. Most of all, end the year with a win against a traditional division foe.

flippy
12-28-2012, 03:19 PM
If you say so...

But, you're wrong...

You still have, what, 80 games after All-Star break?

There are only 16 Steeler games per year...only two against the Browns...only one of those in Pittsburgh...


My silliness is lost in these difficult times. Just saying we're usually certain the Pirates are out of playoff contention by midseason.

Again, I'm not rooting against the team. I just don't see any relevance between winning or losing. It's not going to matter either way. I just want to see players step up and show some resolve. I want to see some young guys desperate to win a starting spot.

lloydroid
12-28-2012, 03:24 PM
The "pride game" was last Sunday against the Bumgals. Winning this Sunday for "pride" is too little, too late. In other words it would be a meaningless gesture.

Let's not forget the other "pride games" against Oakland, Tennessee and San Diego. They need to lose this Sunday so they have to live the off season with the stain of a sub-.500 record. Maybe that gets some players motivated to work harder and coaches and the front office motivated to make some real changes. Complacency has found a comfortable home in Pittsburgh.

Yea screw pride. That was supposed to mean something when the games meant something. They were an embarrassment this year, so lose, and lose in disgrace, so some REAL changes will go down.

flippy
12-28-2012, 03:25 PM
The idea of losing being okay at any point is idiotic, IMO.

I agree. It's as idiotic as winning mattering at this point. This weekend is about re-arranging chairs on the Titanic for both clubs. It sucks to be in the same boat as the Browns :)

lloydroid
12-28-2012, 06:53 PM
Steelers are soft mentally. They couldn't show up in the must win or over the last 6 weeks. I will not EVER root for a loss. But I have less confidence this week than any of the "easy win" games all season. They showed me one game of heart against the Ravens.

They showed some heart vs. NYG, Skins and the first game vs. Cinci. Not much other than that. Sad. Head coach has to be held accountable. Something is broken.

lloydroid
12-28-2012, 06:56 PM
I agree. It's as idiotic as winning mattering at this point. This weekend is about re-arranging chairs on the Titanic for both clubs. It sucks to be in the same boat as the Browns :)

By next year, we might not even be able to say that (Same boat as Browns). They are improving, we are.....getting worse and worse. Browns could easily be better than us by next year. Richardson may be at full steam (he has been dinged all season this year), their D is starting to improve, with a pass rush that is reaching out and touching someone, and they will most definitely improve the number of play makers. If they got a real QB, they will be better than us in 2013, if they aren't already.

Sugar
12-28-2012, 07:01 PM
By next year, we might not even be able to say that (Same boat as Browns). They are improving, we are.....getting worse and worse. Browns could easily be better than us by next year.

Yet there are those who want us to get rid of our best RB and WR. :rolleyes:

kindlecatsb'ng
12-28-2012, 07:04 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people?!?!?

When did it become okay to lose to the Browns?!?!?!

When did PlanetSteelers become Bizarro World?:confused:

OMG--how right you are !!! I had a neighbor (I live west of Cleveland) come over and tell me he has his Browns stuff ordered (flag for his house) for the Browns sweep of the Steelers this year.

I want the Steelers to win and win big.

Kindle

SS Laser
12-29-2012, 01:25 AM
People are nuts everywere.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458518-pittsburgh-steelers-why-they-should-lose-their-final-game?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pittsburgh-steelers

supersteeler
12-29-2012, 07:13 AM
If you read the article it suggests we will be better off losing the game as it could be the difference in getting a better pick in the draft.
The article also suggests that winning the game won't mean anything? wrong!
Here is my take:

Even though the game won't make a difference in the aspects mentioned in the article, there is a difference in my mind.
If we try our best to win this game my hats off to our Steelers. Should we purposely lose the game then it would reflect what the league is turning to.
What about integrity? Credibility Doesn't that mean anything in this screwed up world?
I have more faith in the Steelers, their organization, coaches, and players that they will put forth their best effort possible to win this game.

There is no guarantee we will have a better draft pick by losing the game, only a higher pick in the draft. Picking at say 11 as opposed to 15 doesn't mean pick 11 will turn out to be the the better player.

The Steelers are going to win this game and defy all the poppycock thats floating around, integrity is on the line here folks, I'll take our Steelers!

flippy
12-29-2012, 09:08 AM
This is a perfectly plausible scenario.

It's amusing to me how everyone invents some scenario in their mind to give this last game and season meaning. Or every game for that manner. For some getting a better draft pick makes the most sense. For others it's honor or integrity. For some it's preparing for the future. For some it's hope of humiliation to the organization that will drive change. For others it's an irrelevant game. Everyone has a perception for different reasons. And I can sense a bit of frustration in almost every take on this season.

I'm a SuperBowl or Bust kinda guy. And I always believe there's a chance we'll win it all until there isn't. I'm kinda singularly focused and optimistic in my thinking about this. But I'm also ready to move on and am already thinking about the end of the 2013 season. I look at this as a pre off season and pre preseason game. I'm not really concerned about the integrity of the game or winning or anything like that. Just doing whatever gives the Steelers the best chance to win the next SuperBowl. I don't really care if we win or lose. The #11 or #17 draft pick can land us a roughly equivalent player. I care about continued player development in preparation for the drive to Lombardi #7. That's it.

I realize my perspective is just as crazy as every other. We're all a little off our rocker. On the flip side, I've set a standard for this team that's impossible. We can't win every year. So I'm definitely going to be disappointed. But that's ok, the moments of anticipation are the best. And believing anything is possible until it isn't give me the maximum amount of ecstatic elation over the course of the year.

Others like to set their expectations impossibly low so any success feels good. They're both mind games we play to heighten the journey or the destination. It's kinda odd how focusing on the destination can make the journey better for me. I agree with the "they" that say the journey is more important than the destination. But at the same time, the perceived destination makes the journey way better.

Of course we can enjoy the journey no matter where we're going. But would you really prefer a journey to DisneyWorld or prison? Lombardi #7 is my road trip to DisneyWorld. I'm gonna keep annoying everyone by asking "Are We There Yet" and we're in the pre GPS days when even mom and dad have no idea when we're gonna get there. But everyone in the car knows we're gonna get there.

I have no idea where I'm going with this or what my point is. I guess I'm amused. I'm always amused about something.

supersteeler
12-29-2012, 12:00 PM
In my mind integrity of the game IS important, to sell your soul (not you ) to the devil makes that SB win meaningless.
Yeah, throw out credibility, integrity, and accountability and you have a Efed up league which the NFL is turning to.
When the Patriots were accused of cheating and important evidence was missing, it puts an * on their SB wins. They were a great team and didn't need to get an advantage, or did they?

In general, our society is lacking in the above I mentioned, I guess old school accountability doesn't matter these days, just get all you can get no matter how you get it.

lloydroid
12-29-2012, 02:04 PM
If you read the article it suggests we will be better off losing the game as it could be the difference in getting a better pick in the draft.
The article also suggests that winning the game won't mean anything? wrong!
Here is my take:

Even though the game won't make a difference in the aspects mentioned in the article, there is a difference in my mind.
If we try our best to win this game my hats off to our Steelers. Should we purposely lose the game then it would reflect what the league is turning to.
What about integrity? Credibility Doesn't that mean anything in this screwed up world?
I have more faith in the Steelers, their organization, coaches, and players that they will put forth their best effort possible to win this game.

There is no guarantee we will have a better draft pick by losing the game, only a higher pick in the draft. Picking at say 11 as opposed to 15 doesn't mean pick 11 will turn out to be the the better player.

The Steelers are going to win this game and defy all the poppycock thats floating around, integrity is on the line here folks, I'll take our Steelers!

Integrity? Have you been following this season? They haven't had any integrity all season long. Wallace? Mendenhall? Dirt bags. They don't even give an effort or sometimes even show up for work. Integrity? Ben completely carelessly throwing game-losing pics? Yea, that's some integrity. I say let the whole thing burn to the ground in order to re-build it completely. Every player should feel they are "re-applying" for the job and so should every coach. If they don't get hired then don't let the door hit you in your butt. Woodley hasn't given much effort all season long and didn't bother to lose any of his fat as he is at least 20 lbs too heavy, but he doesn't give a rat's butt. Integrity?

SS Laser
12-29-2012, 02:20 PM
beast and epic post.:moon