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BigRob
12-27-2012, 02:24 PM
Ouch. It will maybe be about 400,000 more than last year.

This team has major cap problems.

How would you solve them?

Oviedo
12-27-2012, 02:37 PM
Ouch. It will maybe be about 400,000 more than last year.

This team has major cap problems.

How would you solve them?

Which is why Mr. Wallace will be elsewhere! Not a surprise which is why he likely passed on the only $8M contract available for a WR.

NorthCoast
12-27-2012, 02:44 PM
Based on 2012 performance, there are plenty of players that should take a pay cut.... starting with Woodley, then Ben Roethlisberger, and Willie Colon. Mendenhall should not be offered any more than top 15 pay. Harrison and Troy should consider restructures. Hampton should not be on the roster unless it is vet minimum.

BigRob
12-27-2012, 02:47 PM
Which is why Mr. Wallace will be elsewhere! Not a surprise which is why he likely passed on the only $8M contract available for a WR.

Yep, the Steelers will be 29 million dollars over the cap. Here is a list of the Unrestricted FA for the Steelers:

Will Allen
Baron Batch
Charlie Batch
Plaxico Burress
Larry Foote
Ramon Foster
Casey Hampton
Brandon Johnson
Justin King
Byron Leftwich
Doug Legursky
Keenan Lewis
Ryan Mundy
Leonard Pope
Mike Wallace
Rashard Mendenhall
Max Starks
Greg Warren
Al Woods

Restricted FA:

Jonathan Dwyer
Steve Mclendon
Isaac Redman
Emmanuel Sanders
Stevenson Sylvestor
Josh Victorian

BigRob
12-27-2012, 02:48 PM
Yep, the Steelers will be 29 million dollars over the cap. Here is a list of the Unrestricted FA for the Steelers:

Will Allen
Baron Batch
Charlie Batch
Plaxico Burress
Larry Foote
Ramon Foster
Casey Hampton
Brandon Johnson
Justin King
Byron Leftwich
Doug Legursky
Keenan Lewis
Ryan Mundy
Leonard Pope
Mike Wallace
Rashard Mendenhall
Max Starks
Greg Warren
Al Woods

Restricted FA:

Jonathan Dwyer
Steve Mclendon
Isaac Redman
Emmanuel Sanders
Stevenson Sylvestor
Josh Victorian



Of the URFA, I would only try to sign Keenan Lewis (A MUST), Max Starks, and maybe Will Allen.

On the Restricted FA's. What do you tender them at? They add to the cap figure because they are one year tenders. Do you sign any of them to long term deals?

RuthlessBurgher
12-27-2012, 02:49 PM
Based on 2012 performance, there are plenty of players that should take a pay cut.... starting with Woodley, then Ben Roethlisberger, and Willie Colon. Mendenhall should not be offered any more than top 15 pay. Harrison and Troy should consider restructures. Hampton should not be on the roster unless it is vet minimum.

Roethlisberger deserves a pay cut? Seriously? Do you realize what they pay top QB's in this league now? His 8 year, $102 million contract is more than reasonable.

BigRob
12-27-2012, 02:55 PM
Roethlisberger deserves a pay cut? Seriously? Do you realize what they pay top QB's in this league now? His 8 year, $102 million contract is more than reasonable.

We actually need to look into doing a true extension and reducing his cap hit that way instead of just restructuring.

RuthlessBurgher
12-27-2012, 03:00 PM
We actually need to look into doing a true extension and reducing his cap hit that way instead of just restructuring.

That would be fine by me.

flippy
12-27-2012, 03:01 PM
I'd try to work out deals with the following.

Will Allen
Baron Batch
Plaxico Burress
Larry Foote
Ramon Foster
Casey Hampton
Keenan Lewis
Mike Wallace
Rashard Mendenhall
Max Starks
Jonathan Dwyer
Steve Mclendon
Isaac Redman
Emmanuel Sanders
Josh Victorian

The big question is who can save us some money?

NorthCoast
12-27-2012, 03:32 PM
I'd try to work out deals with the following.

Will Allen
Baron Batch
Plaxico Burress
Larry Foote
Ramon Foster
Casey Hampton
Keenan Lewis
Mike Wallace
Rashard Mendenhall
Max Starks
Jonathan Dwyer
Steve Mclendon
Isaac Redman
Emmanuel Sanders
Josh Victorian

The big question is who can save us some money?

The savings have to come from vet restructures and cuts.

Here are the top 20 paid Steelers:




1
Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/ben-roethlisberger/200315)
$9,895,000


2
Troy Polamalu (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/troy-polamalu/140433)
$9,137,500


3
James Harrison (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/james-harrison/114761)
$9,030,000


4
Heath Miller (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/heath-miller/299909)
$7,070,500


5
Casey Hampton (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/casey-hampton/70566)
$4,966,667


6
LaMarr Woodley (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/lamarr-woodley/469321)
$4,940,000


7
Brett Keisel (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/brett-keisel/102582)
$4,500,000


8
Ike Taylor (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/ike-taylor/140791)
$4,279,166


9
Ryan Clark (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/ryan-clark/105951)
$4,250,000


10
Lawrence Timmons (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/lawrence-timmons/469535)
$3,985,000


11
Larry Foote (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/larry-foote/101633)
$3,600,000


12
Rashard Mendenhall (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/rashard-mendenhall/535203)
$3,427,500


13
Willie Colon (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/willie-colon/401603)
$2,850,000


14
Mike Wallace (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/mike-wallace/638119)
$2,742,000


15
Antonio Brown (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/antonio-brown/766418)
$2,264,358


16
Maurkice Pouncey (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/maurkice-pouncey/766421)
$2,166,750


17
Ziggy Hood (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/ziggy-hood/638313)
$1,743,535


18
Shaun Suisham (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/shaun-suisham/356773)
$1,687,500


19
Will Allen (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/will-allen/200623)
$1,605,000


20
Cameron Heyward (http://www.planetsteelers.com/nfl/player/cameron-heyward/1268596)
$1,523,870

pittpete
12-27-2012, 04:02 PM
Yep, the Steelers will be 29 million dollars over the cap.

Where did you get this figure from?

I read the Steelers are projected to be around $12 million over the salary cap at year‘s end.

Ghost
12-27-2012, 04:03 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Suisham earned his spot in the top 20....more than some other guys...

BigRob
12-27-2012, 04:06 PM
Where did you get this figure from?

I read the Steelers are projected to be around $12 million over the salary cap at year‘s end.

These are just rough estimates, but they will be about 20 to 30 million dollars over once you account for RFA tenders and incentives likely to be earned. It will be way more than 12 million over.

Here is a link that breaks it down pretty well as far as pure numbers:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/12/steelers-2013-salary-cap-numbers/

pittpete
12-27-2012, 04:14 PM
cc looking now

pittpete
12-27-2012, 04:15 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/pit/steelers

also good link on contract status

flippy
12-27-2012, 04:16 PM
Can we get enough out of Harrison, Troy, Colon, Taylor to restructure them?

pittpete
12-27-2012, 04:18 PM
Rob the article you linked talks about the Steelers being roughly 14 mil over before restructures

pittpete
12-27-2012, 04:19 PM
Can we get enough out of Harrison, Troy, Colon, Taylor to restructure them?
I believe when you restructure a contract you basically expect the player to be able to play for a few more years and stay with the team.
I'd say no to the 4 you mentioned
Read it Flip
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/pit/steelers

NorthCoast
12-27-2012, 04:22 PM
Roethlisberger deserves a pay cut? Seriously? Do you realize what they pay top QB's in this league now? His 8 year, $102 million contract is more than reasonable.


Yes. It is obscene that M. Vick is making $13M and P. Rivers $15M. So in that sense Roethlisberger is a bargain. I guess when an owner feels he has a franchise QB he will make sure he doesn't walk.

flippy
12-27-2012, 04:28 PM
I believe when you restructure a contract you basically expect the player to be able to play for a few more years and stay with the team.
I'd say no to the 4 you mentioned
Read it Flip
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/pit/steelers

What I'm thinking is can you get another year, 2, or 3 out of these guys at a high enough level to warrant a roster spot and push out cutting them until the cap goes up and we have more room.

BigRob
12-27-2012, 04:29 PM
I can't remember if that accounts for the RFA tenders and incentives likely to be earned.

Chadman
12-27-2012, 09:24 PM
Interesting... If the Steelers need to save cap space, signing guys like Charlie Batch and Plaxico might not be that bad an idea- both could be had close the vet minimum at this point, and could be cheaper options than the guys they'd replace on the roster- Leftwich and Wallace.
pThey could be cheap, valuable fill-ins until some younger players (probably from this next draft class) replace them. Burress could even allow the Steelers to release Cotchery, saving another million.

It might not be ideal, but given the cap situation, it could provide good value.

steelz09
12-27-2012, 09:32 PM
Bye bye list:

Hampton
Suisham
Colon (I wish but I guess it won't help us in regards to next years cap)
Foote
Wallace

Excluding Colon, losing the above will be a savings of 13 mil. Harrison might be a tough cut but that would get us to ~ 22 million. A few re-structures / extensions and we'll be where we need to be.

Slapstick
12-27-2012, 10:01 PM
That list isn't entirely correct. Baron Batch, for example, is only a second year player. He would be an EFA, not an UFA...

flippy
12-27-2012, 10:16 PM
Bye bye list:

Hampton
Suisham
Colon (I wish but I guess it won't help us in regards to next years cap)
Foote
Wallace

Excluding Colon, losing the above will be a savings of 13 mil. Harrison might be a tough cut but that would get us to ~ 22 million. A few re-structures / extensions and we'll be where we need to be.

I won't be surprised if we bring back Hampton. Remember he was coming off a major injury and he played better in the second half. It's not like he has to be that mobile. He just has to be big, strong, and immovable. Older guys get old man strength sometimes. I think he might be able to contribute until we find a replacement which Im not sure we have yet.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-27-2012, 10:31 PM
Depends. On what it truly would save us to cut people. I think we will go from being old to young in one offseason.

flippy
12-27-2012, 10:56 PM
Interesting... If the Steelers need to save cap space, signing guys like Charlie Batch and Plaxico might not be that bad an idea- both could be had close the vet minimum at this point, and could be cheaper options than the guys they'd replace on the roster- Leftwich and Wallace.
pThey could be cheap, valuable fill-ins until some younger players (probably from this next draft class) replace them. Burress could even allow the Steelers to release Cotchery, saving another million.

It might not be ideal, but given the cap situation, it could provide good value.

Plax could even dress and be used as a red zone target :)

BigRob
12-28-2012, 02:09 PM
That list isn't entirely correct. Baron Batch, for example, is only a second year player. He would be an EFA, not an UFA...

Yep this is true.

Ghost
12-28-2012, 02:31 PM
"With the Steelers projected to be around $12 million over the salary cap at year‘s end, they could have a hard time justifying handing out big money to veterans such as Hampton and Starks." - this was posted in an article in the Pgh tribune yesterder, 12/26/12. What's the story with the cap number? Is it 12 million or is it really going to be well over $20? Is this really that hard to figure out or is the Trib just using a number that's been thrown around w/o doing any research and the $20 + number is a lot more realistic?

BigRob
12-28-2012, 03:34 PM
"With the Steelers projected to be around $12 million over the salary cap at year‘s end, they could have a hard time justifying handing out big money to veterans such as Hampton and Starks." - this was posted in an article in the Pgh tribune yesterder, 12/26/12. What's the story with the cap number? Is it 12 million or is it really going to be well over $20? Is this really that hard to figure out or is the Trib just using a number that's been thrown around w/o doing any research and the $20 + number is a lot more realistic?

I don't think anyone knows for sure right now. The cap is going to be flat, but there is a thing called "Likely to be earned incentives" that can affect each players cap figure. The 12 million dollar figure as far as I know does not include all of the restricted tags that must be placed and added to the cap figure. It will probably come in somewhere around 15 to 20 million over the cap.

BradshawsHairdresser
12-28-2012, 03:45 PM
Pretty sure we could cut loose most of the players mentioned and still miss the playoffs...

Seriously...
Hampton, Colon and Woodley -- dead weight
Polamalu, Harrison, Keisel, Foote -- too expensive for what we can get out of them from here on out
Wallace and Mendenhall -- too much baggage at this point
Starks -- best OL player we had this season, try to re-sign
Lewis -- promising, try to re-sign
Foster --I'd like to re-sign

I realize cap implications make it unlikely to cut some of the dead weight. We'll probably end up keeping some of the aging and/or underperforming big-salaried
players, and cutting some of the more productive/promising players. Get ready for another year of frustration.

Oviedo
12-28-2012, 03:47 PM
"With the Steelers projected to be around $12 million over the salary cap at year‘s end, they could have a hard time justifying handing out big money to veterans such as Hampton and Starks." - this was posted in an article in the Pgh tribune yesterder, 12/26/12. What's the story with the cap number? Is it 12 million or is it really going to be well over $20? Is this really that hard to figure out or is the Trib just using a number that's been thrown around w/o doing any research and the $20 + number is a lot more realistic?

Hampton isn't justified. Starks is. Starks is the only OL to play every game and he was the overall best performer at the hardest OL position. It would be foolish to let him leave.

What I have read in other places the $20M is the more realistic number because I think they factor in anticipated tenders for RFAs which for the most part we will tender.

BigRob
12-28-2012, 03:49 PM
Hampton isn't justified. Starks is. Starks is the only OL to play every game and he was the overall best performer at the hardest OL position. It would be foolish to let him leave.

What I have read in other places the $20M is the more realistic number because I think they factor in anticipated tenders for RFAs which for the most part we will tender.

Too many unknowns at the tackle position not to re-sign him.