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Shawn
12-26-2012, 07:02 AM
Tomlin should be placed on hot seat


By Dutch Wydo


When they say an NFL team is well coached, what does that mean?


A well coached team is one that gets the most out of the talent that it has. The head coach does this by putting a team on the field that doesnít beat themselves. They minimize mistakes and force the opposition into their fair share of them. They also capitalize on their opponents blunders. A well coached team is one that often wins the battle of field position. For example, knowing when to kick a field goal, punt the ball, or go for a 4th down conversion goes a long way in winning the battle of field position.


Most would agree that Bill Belichickís Patriots are well coached. It doesnít seem to matter who they have playing Wide receiver or Running back; they still perform at a very high level week after week. So letís take the time and do a little comparison between Belichick and Steelers coach Mike Tomlin since 2007.


TURNOVER DIFFERENTIAL SINCE 2007


Belichicks team = +92


Tomlinís team = -2


Belichicks teams since 2007 have forced 92 more takeaways than they have committed. That is an astonishing figure. Belichicks team rarely coughs up the football, and their defense has continued to give their offense short fields to work with due to their ability to take the football away.


Meanwhile Tomlinís team is in the hole at -2.





TEAM PENALTIES SINCE 2007


Tomlinís team has been penalized 82 more times since 2007!





NET AVERAGE STARTING FIELD POSTION RANKINGS


2012 Belichicks team = Ranked #1
2012 Tomlinís team = Ranked 28th worst

2011 Belichicks team = ranked #1
2011 Tomlinís team = ranked #22


2010 Belichicks team = ranked #3
2010 Tomlinís team = ranked #19

2009 Belichicks team = ranked #3
2009 Tomlinís team = ranked #14


2008 Belichicks team = ranked #1
2008 Tomlinís team = ranked #18th

2008 Belichicks team = ranked #3
2007 Tomlinís team = ranked #7

Just take a look at the above statistics at how superior and consistent Belichick is when it comes to managing a game.

OFFENSIVE REDZONE PRODUCTION (TD) RANKINGS

Belichicksís team ranking

2012 Ranked #2
2011 Ranked #4
2010 Ranked #6

Tomlinís team ranking

2012 Ranked #21
2011 Ranked #17
2010 Ranked #15

One could even take a look at special teamís rankings.

2012 SPECIAL TEAMS RANKINGS

Ravens #1
Patriots #2
Steelers #20

Some might say that Tomlin has a Super Bowl ring since 2007, while Belichick does not. But if your criteria for a well coached team is that simple, then perhaps the Cowboys should have kept Barry Switzer.

Some will point to a survey that shows Tomlin is the coach most players want to play for. But that survey doesnít mean much. After all, Belichick and Coughlin were two of the most hated coaches to play for not long ago.

The evidence above isnít a one game sample size. Itís mostly 5 years of work that shows that Mike Tomlin will struggle mightily as head coach just as soon as some of the talent begins to leave. That talent comes in two words.
Ben Roethlisberger.

Belichickís team went 11-5 without Brady. This Steelers team under Tomlin might not go 5-11 if Roethlisberger missed the entire season.

In fact Steelers fans might as well face the facts. This Steelers team that you have watched the past 2 weeks is the one you will start to see on a regular basis under Tomlin, once Big Ben retires. Sure, they might not turn the ball over 8 times a game. But the evidence doesnít forecast much hope.

The Steelers do not take care of the football. They do not force the opposition into mistakes on a regular basis. They shoot themselves in the foot with penalties. They lose the battle of field position and often settle for field goals in the red zone.

When it comes to coaching, Belichick takes Tomlin out to the woodshed and just beats the hell out of him.

The Steelers are not a well coached team. They havenít been a well coached team under Tomlin. The time has come to place Tomlin firmly on the hot seat.

Dutch Wydo
Wmbs 590 radio

Prowler
12-26-2012, 07:13 AM
Good stuff Shawn. I agree 100%.

SteelCrazy
12-26-2012, 07:45 AM
I dont think he is a good coach at times, but it may be a little early to put him on the hot seat. Maybe he got a little relaxed and comfortable. Lets see the moves made in the off season, including the draft and next season. If we miss the playoffs again, then........well, it might still be too early. We have to give this guy a good chance at redemption and I think that is the next 2 seasons.

Shawn
12-26-2012, 07:50 AM
I hear ya SC. I have always been a Tomlin supporter, but these are some serious areas which need improving. It indicates a team that lacks discipline and that concerns me. That starts with the top.

anger 82&95
12-26-2012, 09:46 AM
There seemed to be a lack of discipline with certain components of this year’s team; an example being the WR group. Maybe it’s unfair to pin this on Tomlin, but it has to be addressed in the off season.

BURGH86STEEL
12-26-2012, 09:49 AM
The last time the Steelers faced the Pats they won. Steelers are 2-2 vs the Pats since Tomlin took over as HC. Tomlin's teams have shown they can win game without Ben. Teams do struggle to win when they don't have players. Look how Billichick coached teams performed in Cleveland. That's a much larger sample size then one season without Tom Brady.

People want to simply place the focus on Tomlin. All coaches fortunes are tied directly to how their players perform. I believe more of a microscope should be placed on Ben. He hasn't gotten it done when the team needed it most this season. Denver, Oakland, Tenn, Dallas, and Cin were games where Ben and the offense had the opportunity to win those games. The offense didn't get it done. When talent doesn't perform all teams struggle to win games regardless of coaching. Coaches don't usually make that much of a difference unless their players are good enough. The team didn't get good enough play from the QB.

Oviedo
12-26-2012, 09:51 AM
Coaches are on the hot seat every year even though good owners don't make a public spectacle out of it to appease fans.

I think Tomlin's "hot seat" should be cooler than Cowher's was from 98 to 99 when he had losing records after Noll's players had all left.

My opinion on Tomlin will be based on what he does about a defense that cannot force turnovers or sack the QB. If he keeps more of the same I hope they raise the temp on the "hot seat"

flippy
12-26-2012, 10:01 AM
I just started thinking that our 3 best players on the team play their best when they are acting outside the context of the play.

Coaches are supposed to help players, but you could argue Ben, Troy, and Deebo make their best plays when they freelance.

Does any team have so many guys playing backyard football and making it up as they go?

NorthCoast
12-26-2012, 10:12 AM
The last time the Steelers faced the Pats they won. Steelers are 2-2 vs the Pats since Tomlin took over as HC. Tomlin's teams have shown they can win game without Ben. Teams do struggle to win when they don't have players. Look how Billichick coached teams performed in Cleveland. That's a much larger sample size then one season without Tom Brady.

People want to simply place the focus on Tomlin. All coaches fortunes are tied directly to how their players perform. I believe more of a microscope should be placed on Ben. He hasn't gotten it done when the team needed it most this season. Denver, Oakland, Tenn, Dallas, and Cin were games where Ben and the offense had the opportunity to win those games. The offense didn't get it done. When talent doesn't perform all teams struggle to win games regardless of coaching. Coaches don't usually make that much of a difference unless their players are good enough. The team didn't get good enough play from the QB.

I am willing to give Ben a pass on the early games. Installing a new offense and offensive philosophy there was bound to be some adjustment. (ok, you can point to Manning in Denver, but the fact is they are running Manning's offense, not someone else's).
Ben needs to man-up and make the new offense his next season. There were early signs this season that he could thrive in this offense. I still think he sorely misses Ward on broken plays. Some point to Heath as that go to guy, but unfortunately due to a porous OL, he isn't running patterns on every play like a Hernandez.

Oviedo
12-26-2012, 11:03 AM
I just started thinking that our 3 best players on the team play their best when they are acting outside the context of the play.

Coaches are supposed to help players, but you could argue Ben, Troy, and Deebo make their best plays when they freelance.

Does any team have so many guys playing backyard football and making it up as they go?

So Troy and Deebo play best when not constrained by LeBeau's overly, and unnecessarily, complex scheme? I'll buy that.;)

flippy
12-26-2012, 11:19 AM
So Troy and Deebo play best when not constrained by LeBeau's overly, and unnecessarily, complex scheme? I'll buy that.;)

I was thinking of James dropping into coverage before his 100 yard INT return in the SuperBowl. And I've heard Farrior comment about James not really knowing the defense and mentioning he's still impossible to block and makes plays anyway.

Then with Troy, I think of last week when he looks like he's in coverage and then sneaks through the LOS to make a play in the backfield.

Oviedo
12-26-2012, 12:48 PM
I was thinking of James dropping into coverage before his 100 yard INT return in the SuperBowl. And I've heard Farrior comment about James not really knowing the defense and mentioning he's still impossible to block and makes plays anyway.

Then with Troy, I think of last week when he looks like he's in coverage and then sneaks through the LOS to make a play in the backfield.

I've said all season long LeBeau has gone too conservative and if the players are taking matters into their own hands to overcome that then good on them. That said, not counting on Harrison ever to be what he was if even on the team which I think is a 50-50 at best.

BURGH86STEEL
12-26-2012, 06:19 PM
I am willing to give Ben a pass on the early games. Installing a new offense and offensive philosophy there was bound to be some adjustment. (ok, you can point to Manning in Denver, but the fact is they are running Manning's offense, not someone else's).
Ben needs to man-up and make the new offense his next season. There were early signs this season that he could thrive in this offense. I still think he sorely misses Ward on broken plays. Some point to Heath as that go to guy, but unfortunately due to a porous OL, he isn't running patterns on every play like a Hernandez.

I am not certain how Ben is going to make the new offense his. Offenses can generally thrive around the league if QB's play well.

Now if people are tying the team's fortunes to the way Ben performs then they need to hold him mostly accountable for when the team fails. But no, people will continue to blame everyone else under the sun because Ben is the franchise QB.

Ben played inconsistent football this season like he always did for all of his career. The huge difference from the past vs this season is that Ben always found ways to win games in the past. He wasn't able to lead this team down the field in 5 of the close games they loss. Ben has never been the type of QB that helps an offense produce a lot of points. Making plays at key times in games to help the team win was Ben's thing. If he can't win games in the end, the Steelers could be in for more rocky seasons.

papillon
12-26-2012, 08:31 PM
I've said all season long LeBeau has gone too conservative and if the players are taking matters into their own hands to overcome that then good on them. That said, not counting on Harrison ever to be what he was if even on the team which I think is a 50-50 at best.

Just a thought here on the "conservative nature" of the defense this year. Could it be that between Harrison, Woodley, Polamalu, Taylor and Lewis being injured and not on the field and being replaced by Worilds, Carter, Will Allen, Victorian and a practice squad player that I can't remember, that Lebeau was trying to protect the defense until the new players got in the groove. Once Worilds started making fewer mistakes it seemed the defense was more aggressive, the same with Will Allen, Carter, and the cornerbacks replacing Taylor and Lewis. The Dallas game Lebeau was doing his best to hide our 4th and 5th DBs on the depth chart and had it not been for an ill-advised throw late he may have actually pulled it off.

Anyhow, that's what I thought all year that Lebeau was trying to get the defense up to speed without 3 of his 4 best play makers on the field at the same time. I think against Cincinnati we got a glimpse of what the defense can do when they are healthy and minus Ike. With Ike, we may not be lamenting a lost season, for some reason I believe he would have had AJ Green covered on that last play prior to the winning FG.

Pappy

SDSteel1
12-27-2012, 01:43 AM
Consider the source of the article. Dutch Wydo aka moneymaker IIRC is the biggest Big Ben fan and apologist around. He isn't a Steeler fan as much as he is a Ben fan. He wrote the article, which I don't completely disagree with, to take heat off his guy. I will agree that Tomlin needs to tighten the ship, but I think it was Ben that accounted for alot of the most important turnovers that killed this season. This team will go as Ben goes, the way it is set up now.

Oviedo
12-27-2012, 08:34 AM
Consider the source of the article. Dutch Wydo aka moneymaker IIRC is the biggest Big Ben fan and apologist around. He isn't a Steeler fan as much as he is a Ben fan. He wrote the article, which I don't completely disagree with, to take heat off his guy. I will agree that Tomlin needs to tighten the ship, but I think it was Ben that accounted for alot of the most important turnovers that killed this season. This team will go as Ben goes, the way it is set up now.

I think any team will go as goes their QB. It's not a Ben or Steelers unique thing. That is why we need to consider strengthening the OL even more and building depth so we don't have a repeat of the performance drop off when the OL started to be decimated by injuries. Chance Warmack in Round 1.

SteelCrazy
12-27-2012, 08:58 AM
I hear ya SC. I have always been a Tomlin supporter, but these are some serious areas which need improving. It indicates a team that lacks discipline and that concerns me. That starts with the top.


Yea, it starts at the top, but you have to give the top a bigger body of work before you consider cutting off your head. He's been way too successful to entertain any thoughts of change. However, when I listened to his normal presser I too, at that moment, would have instantly fired him and promoted Haley. I've calmed down now and believe Tomlin is the right man. He just needs to re-dedicate and do whatever its going to take to bring us back from the dead.

Slapstick
12-27-2012, 11:43 AM
Shawn, you're a good guy...

But posting stuff by Mr. Smartmonies himself does not increase your credibility with me...quite the opposite, in fact...

I read too much of his tripe at the old board to even attempt slogging though his latest hot mess...

Shawn
12-27-2012, 12:03 PM
Shawn, you're a good guy...

But posting stuff by Mr. Smartmonies himself does not increase your credibility with me...quite the opposite, in fact...

I read too much of his tripe at the old board to even attempt slogging though his latest hot mess...

Slap, please don't take this with any disrespect because that isn't my intention. But, your gauge of my credibility isn't of any concern to me. And while there are several guys who have a very visceral reaction towards Dutch, I like the guy and I like what he writes for the most part. The articles are Steeler related, and relevant. I know there are others who enjoy what he writes as well. So, my advice to you would be to skip past any articles that I post of his (as I am known to do from time to time). I always post his name, so it makes it easy for you to sort through it.

Shawn
12-27-2012, 12:07 PM
Yea, it starts at the top, but you have to give the top a bigger body of work before you consider cutting off your head. He's been way too successful to entertain any thoughts of change. However, when I listened to his normal presser I too, at that moment, would have instantly fired him and promoted Haley. I've calmed down now and believe Tomlin is the right man. He just needs to re-dedicate and do whatever its going to take to bring us back from the dead.

I hear you about his success, and while I don't disagree...the stats posted are from his entire career. So, Tomlin has produced winning teams even though they don't take care of the ball...are not overtly impressive in the take away categories, and are highly penalized.

What that tells me isn't that Tomlin needs replaced. It means that there is room for improvment and these areas stand some scrutiny.

feltdizz
12-27-2012, 12:37 PM
Consider the source of the article. Dutch Wydo aka moneymaker IIRC is the biggest Big Ben fan and apologist around. He isn't a Steeler fan as much as he is a Ben fan. He wrote the article, which I don't completely disagree with, to take heat off his guy. I will agree that Tomlin needs to tighten the ship, but I think it was Ben that accounted for alot of the most important turnovers that killed this season. This team will go as Ben goes, the way it is set up now.

Pretty much....

hawaiiansteel
12-27-2012, 08:47 PM
Mike Tomlin is Not Getting Fired

Dec 27

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Look, Iím just as disappointed as many of you are about the 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers. It was a season that offered some promise and at the very least another trip to the playoffs if nothing else. Those dreams crashed and burned with offensive ineptitude and a defense that couldnít create enough big plays.

There will be and is lots of blame to go around and I know this will upset some of you but Mike Tomlin is not getting fired. Did he have a poor season? Well, thatís like asking if the Rooney Family is Irish. Like players, coaches can have bad seasons too and Tomlin certainly falls in to that category.

Those of you calling for him to be sent packing must be forgetting that you root for the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is a franchise that has had three, countíem THREE head coaches since 1969!! The Rooney Family does not take kindly to knee jerk reactions and they wonít in this case either.

Do you realize how ridiculous we sound to other teamsí fans when we call for a guy who has been to two Super Bowls and is just 40 years old to be fired? Imagine being a Chargersí fan or a Lions fan or for the love of God a Brownsí fan!! Look at some the crap theyíve had to endure over the years and maybe youíll see things differently.

Does Tomlin have things to prove? Absolutely he does. He has to address the special teamsí issues and he must bring in a new offensive line coach. Heíll have some soul-searching to do when it comes to his coordinators but I see no changes there, sorry to disappoint many of you.

Perhaps the biggest thing Tomlin has to do is review his game-management failures. He has to realize that his personnel has changed since he took the team over and yet he still coaches as if these are the same players they once were. A head coach must adapt to his team and I think this is where Tomlin has failed.

He often fails to recognize the ability of Shaun Suisham who has had a fantastic season, yet the entire fan base knows he canít be relied on for anything over 50 yards yet Tomlin still trots him out there. He must realize that this team is not built to hammer the ball straight-ahead on a long fourth and one. If youíre going to go for it at mid-field then you have to be more creative than what has been shown in recent years.

This will be a big off-season for Mike Tomlin. He will have to work with Kevin Colbert and salary cap guru Omar Khan to decide who goes and who stays. In their place, he must find players who can make an impact and that will be around for a few years.

Many of the Cowher-Era guys are on their way out if they havenít left already so the pressure is on Tomlin to draft better than he has in the past and find free agents who can contribute at a fair wage.

No, Mike Tomlin is not going anywhere but I do believe he will be in serious trouble if this team does not make the playoffs next year. The Rooneys are patient but they understand this isnít the 70′s or 80′s anymore and the fansí voice is stronger than ever. Steelersí Nation has high expectations and no one knows that more than Tomlin.

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