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flippy
12-24-2012, 12:02 PM
Does it really matter who coaches this teams offense? Anyone from BA to Haley is at the mercy of Big Ben. We need someone to just get out of Ben's way. Let him have his own way and hope for the best.

He's naturally gifted. Doesn't really have to work at his craft. His size, elusiveness, and arm pretty much overcome his brain.

He's pretty much asked to run more no huddle and for a big WR target. And we've given him neither. WTF? Why not just give him what he wants? Let him do what he does. And stay out of his way.

papillon
12-24-2012, 12:38 PM
I continually wonder why Ben continues to be criticized for his work ethic and football intelligence. In one sentence fans want him to run the no-huddle in another they call him less than brilliant. How do you run and command an entire offense in the no-huddle and be stupid, lazy and disengaged as many believe? You don't. It was bad second half of the season for the team, they never had all three phases of the game in synch in the same game and it cost them 4 close games down the stretch.

Ben was in the discussion for MVP and fans thought he was brilliant, now he's an idiot because of two bad games. We may never know what repercussions the injury had on his throwing ability since his return. But, its rather interesting that he struggled completing simple quick screens and dump offs, but was capable of throwing it straight down the field 65 yards. His ability to quickly turn and set his feet and throw horizontally was definitely inhibited since his return.

We'll never know what might have been had it not been for the injury, because Ben was playing the best football of his career. Now fans are questioning his intelligence, maturity, etc, etc, losing always brings out the ridiculous.

Pappy

SidSmythe
12-24-2012, 01:13 PM
B.A. apparently thought he was "coachable"

I think BEN likes old dudes btw ... like his old coach in college he was so close too and B.A.

eniparadoxgma
12-24-2012, 01:16 PM
I think BEN likes old dudes btw ... like his old coach in college he was so close too and B.A.



http://i.imgur.com/cPyzG.jpg (http://imgur.com/cPyzG)

Umm.... Yeah.....

I'm just going to have to go ahead and...um........

Yeah..... ....Never mind.

SidSmythe
12-24-2012, 01:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/cPyzG.jpg (http://imgur.com/cPyzG)

Umm.... Yeah.....

I'm just going to have to go ahead and...um........

Yeah..... ....Never mind.

Sickening!! Just Sickening!!!! :Boobs

hawaiiansteel
12-24-2012, 02:02 PM
http://i.imgur.com/cPyzG.jpg (http://imgur.com/cPyzG)

Umm.... Yeah.....

I'm just going to have to go ahead and...um........

Yeah..... ....Never mind.

Umm...if you could just go ahead and...That'd be great!

NorthCoast
12-24-2012, 02:37 PM
Another perspective found on the PG site caused me to rethink things. How many other QBs have that 'safety blanket' WR, that go-to guy that you know where he will be at all times and can make a great catch when needed. I think Ben just sorely might miss Ward more than some think:


He did not have a good game but the offensive lack of support which he is suppose to overcome week to week, game to game- be it his fellow players or coaches should not get a pass in the least. So the great guy wasn't great. It might help if the great guy did not have to move mountains (have defenders all over him, watch as players try to get loose that have more problems doing so than not, and overcome an obsession with having to drag along the worst part of their offense as the prime server before being asked to bail them out- again and again. Yet there may be more to this as what we learned. The old safety blanket is gone. Ward over most of his career, probably was more of the true success of this team than we actually thought. The guy that did not let the ball hit him in the facemask on crucial plays. The guy who did not shy away because he might have to break up the pass rather than catch it. The guy who found a way to catch an errant Roethlisberger throw rather than give a half hearted stretch. Yeah Ben did not play well but maybe the greater loss we saw this year was that the Football Player that found a way to make a play with Ben for so long- is no longer on the team. Now they are more like a solid group who do well when all is good but fail to elevate when all is not.

DukieBoy
12-24-2012, 02:49 PM
Another perspective found on the PG site caused me to rethink things. How many other QBs have that 'safety blanket' WR, that go-to guy that you know where he will be at all times and can make a great catch when needed. I think Ben just sorely might miss Ward more than some think:

Good find. Thanks.

Snatch98
12-24-2012, 03:17 PM
Another perspective found on the PG site caused me to rethink things. How many other QBs have that 'safety blanket' WR, that go-to guy that you know where he will be at all times and can make a great catch when needed. I think Ben just sorely might miss Ward more than some think:

I think Heath Miller is that guy but we need more than just Heath doing the same. I think we'll see that come to light more next year. Hell Jerricho Cotchery certainly acted like that guy on a few occasions and frankly I'm not sure why he wasn't used more this season. If Wallace doesn't sign we'll be seeing a lot more of him anyway. It just wasn't a good year across the board. Injuries, ridiculous fumbles and no real chance to build up lasting momentum. We beat the Giants and people kept dropping like flies, Ben included. The fact that we're 7-8 with the chance to be 8-8 shouldn't be overlooked when considering all the blows (Injury wise) on both sides of the ball.

SidSmythe
12-24-2012, 03:32 PM
I think Heath Miller is that guy but we need more than just Heath doing the same. I think we'll see that come to light more next year. Hell Jerricho Cotchery certainly acted like that guy on a few occasions and frankly I'm not sure why he wasn't used more this season. If Wallace doesn't sign we'll be seeing a lot more of him anyway. It just wasn't a good year across the board. Injuries, ridiculous fumbles and no real chance to build up lasting momentum. We beat the Giants and people kept dropping like flies, Ben included. The fact that we're 7-8 with the chance to be 8-8 shouldn't be overlooked when considering all the blows (Injury wise) on both sides of the ball.

Cotchery at least blocks with a passion and can handle the 3rd down role ...thought Sanders could take over WALLACE's spot but he's not staying healthy anytime soon. We need a BIG WR opposite of Brown. Plex maybe??

eniparadoxgma
12-24-2012, 06:15 PM
I also thought that Heath was that "go to guy" as well as that Cotch has been stepping up in that type of role the past two seasons.

BATMAN
12-24-2012, 06:26 PM
I also thought Heath was the go to guy along with Cotchery. I thought Cotchery was under used also taken in consideration that he was injure. I have no trouble with Ben calling his own plays as long as he keeps things balanced and for Haley to interject when he feels the need. I have a feeling if Ben had all the authority, we wouldn't see a runningback on the team.
Despite all the rumors or talk about Noll not liking Bradshaw or what ever the rub was, Bradshaw was respected enough, smart enough to call his own plays and good games.
I just watched the 1978 Steelers Super Bowl with Greene, Blount and Blier all being the hosts. They spoke of Bradshaw runnning a balanced attack, I also liked the part when Franco came to the huddle and told Bradshaw to give him the ball and Franco ran it down their throats for a TD.
I've been blessed enough to see all four 70's Super Bowls during the day and all or mostly all Steeler games since then and I have to say, you people that didn't get to live through the 70's and witness the Steelers back then, you missed something special.

Captain Lemming
12-25-2012, 06:04 PM
I also thought Heath was the go to guy along with Cotchery. I thought Cotchery was under used also taken in consideration that he was injure. I have no trouble with Ben calling his own plays as long as he keeps things balanced and for Haley to interject when he feels the need. I have a feeling if Ben had all the authority, we wouldn't see a runningback on the team.
Despite all the rumors or talk about Noll not liking Bradshaw or what ever the rub was, Bradshaw was respected enough, smart enough to call his own plays and good games.
I just watched the 1978 Steelers Super Bowl with Greene, Blount and Blier all being the hosts. They spoke of Bradshaw runnning a balanced attack, I also liked the part when Franco came to the huddle and told Bradshaw to give him the ball and Franco ran it down their throats for a TD.
I've been blessed enough to see all four 70's Super Bowls during the day and all or mostly all Steeler games since then and I have to say, you people that didn't get to live through the 70's and witness the Steelers back then, you missed something special.

That was SOOOO classic. France enraged at the late shove of TB the previous play.
Franco was Not GOING TO BE DENIED the TD.

Funny IMHO Franco often seemed to lack that passion and fire, kinda took what came. I was never that big on Franco.

THAT....was my favorite Franco moment.

BATMAN
12-26-2012, 08:39 PM
Only once I believe that I seen the NFL channel show the 1979 Super Bowl with us beating th Rams. If anyone ever knows or see that they're going to run it, please inform me.

Thank You