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supersteeler
12-23-2012, 09:06 PM
We have to find some cap money so it appears we might see some familiar faces gone next season. It also looks like a transition era for our Steelers. We'll need more than one good draft pick to make this team better and it takes time to develope new players into the system and it may take awhile.

Many assume Wallace and Mendy are gone which I can understand, but why are we paying 65 million to Woodley who can't stay on the field and his play is gone down the tube? If we are going to rebuild, they need to get rid of high priced players who don't perform to the level expected. At any rate the Steelers front office have some tough decisions to make, I hope thay make the right ones.

SS Laser
12-23-2012, 09:30 PM
Woodley needs a strong off season. Come back and play better then he did to get the 65mil. I hope he figures out he is not all that and needs a strong off season. Come in to camp the best shape of your life. Show some passion like Hood did this last off season.

Steelhere10
12-23-2012, 11:14 PM
The names that I think are in danger of restructer/trade/cut or not resigned
Hampton /last year of contract
Harrison/Woodley. Harrison due 8million bonus Woodley injury and performance and besides if they are going to be used more in coverage than rushing the passer then speed is needed outside.
Keisel / more negative plays than impact, plus age
Colon / injuries
Wallace / asking price plus performance.
Troy/ I think is very safe for another season, but injuries plus performance may catch him next year.

NOTagdci981
12-23-2012, 11:20 PM
Cut them all. They are all scrubs.

winwithd
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
I say these may not be here next year.

Harrison, Hampton, Foote (if so, as a backup), Colon, Foster, Wallace, Leftwich, Charlie Batch, Pope, Mendenhall, AND Haley

And it would be nice to have a kicker who can hit anything past 50 yards.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-24-2012, 12:55 AM
Just out of curiosity, and I know this isn't done a whole lot, but what would Woodley be worth in a trade scenario?

supersteeler
12-24-2012, 09:25 AM
Just out of curiosity, and I know this isn't done a whole lot, but what would Woodley be worth in a trade scenario?

Woodley is in his prime so I doubt the Steelers would think about a trade, what they need to do is send him a message....get in shape in the off season.
For one stay out of McDonalds, eat right and lose some weight that is slowing him down. When healthy he is a great player but when you invest that kind of money on a player you want a return on that investment.
He isn't the only one, we need a conditioning coach to get these players in better shape when they come back for the new season, sometimes conditioning can lead to injuries if your not prepared properly.

As for the familiar faces we may not see again:

Casey Hampton:
While he had a decent year, his salary may do him in as the Steelers need more cap room.

Willie Colon:
You can't make the club in the tub, the often injured Colon may be the reason the Steelers release him, but like casey his salary could be the diference.

James Harrison:

I think he has a year or two more play, plus we don't have anyone that could be better right now to replace him.

Mendy:
Looks like he may be gone, but I would try to keep him for the right price. He is our best back that wasn't used enough this season as Tomlin wanted to prove a point, should he leave we'll need a replacement.

Wallace:
I still think he can play but not in this dink and dunk system, he has some value but not the price we want to pay so he's as good as gone. I would hate the thought of him playing for the Bengals next season teaming up with Green.

Troy: He can still play, its just getting enough games from him. I remember when we let Rod Woodson go and it hurt us, he not only won a SB, he played well when injury healed. I believe we keep troy.


Charlie Batch: Every year he is believed to be released, but somehow rises from the ashes. I would keep him release Lefty, and look for a QB in the draft to groom.


Foote: He played decent for us this season, he may have one more year until Spense can prove he is a better ILB, but for now I would keep larry.


Keisel:
He had a decent year, actually one of the better ones on our D-line. He is still productive so I would keep him before I pay two # 1 picks money they haven't earned their money and look for a NT and DE in the draft.

At any rate we will lose some vets, bring in some new players and the transition period starts. We have to find quality players to rebuild our team, young players don't always pan out so they need to be on the money in this draft.
I know its frustrating to see this season end on a bad note and ruin our Holiday, but through the years our Steelers gave us plenty to be happy about numerous playoff appearances and SB's so we shouldn't get too down. Win or lose I know all of you are proud to be Steeler fans as I am so keep your chin up, they gave us the envy of all teams.....six rings!

Oviedo
12-24-2012, 11:07 AM
The problem with Woodley is he is a natural 4-3 DE who is forced to play 3-4 OLB. Clearly his body isn't made for that because he keeps getting the same leg related injuries. We need to quit forcing square pegs into round holes and design our team to execute what the players we have are best at.

The league is becoming a speed game and at 265lbs Woodley isn't a speed player. He is a power pass rusher

Chadman
12-24-2012, 11:20 AM
Once the dust settles, we'll come to realise that mass changes are not really 'The Steeler Way'.

Hampton is likely done. Wallace is unlikely to re-sign. Not convinced they can keep Mendenhall at this point.

Colon might be cap-prohibitive, but Chadman suspects he'll be around for another tilt. Which will mean Foster will be gone.

The team 'needs' leaders, so cutting Harrison, Polamalu, Keisel or Taylor seems unlikely. Foote's contract isn't breaking the bank, and he adds veteran presence on the field.

The back-up LB's will probably come back to camp, but Johnson, Robinson & Sylvester will likely have some competition next season for their roster spots.

At QB, if Charlie Batch decides he wants another season, here's betting they give it to him. Of course, if he pulls the pin, that would mean Leftwich would remain the #1 back-up. Chances are, only 1, not both, will be here next season.

Both Will Allen & Ryan Mundy will, hopefully, have competition for their spots next season. After falling behind Allen, Chadman can see Mundy moving on.

Pope didn't eventuate into anything at TE. He's a likely 'move on' guy.

steelfin
12-24-2012, 11:26 AM
The problem with Woodley is he is a natural 4-3 DE who is forced to play 3-4 OLB. Clearly his body isn't made for that because he keeps getting the same leg related injuries. We need to quit forcing square pegs into round holes and design our team to execute what the players we have are best at.

The league is becoming a speed game and at 265lbs Woodley isn't a speed player. He is a power pass rusher


Yeah right...I am sure this is exactly why he has struggled with injuries....

Mister Pittsburgh
12-24-2012, 11:35 AM
Seems like every season we have the makings of a good team but the same players get injured causing us to be about average or a little above. How many seasons in a row do we have to deal with half the offensive line out? How many seasons do we have to deal with Woodley and Troy out for portions of the year? If we plan on keeping these guys around we need better depth.

Lebsteel
12-24-2012, 11:43 AM
Wallace (#3 draft pick or FA)
Foote-old (Spence or #2 draft pick)
Leftwich-old and injury prone
Plax-old
Mendy (#4 draft pick)
Colon-injury poster boy (#5 draft pick as backup)
Harrison-old, no pass rush (#1 draft pick or Worilds is replacement)
Hampton-old (time for McClendon and T'amu if not in jail)
Polamalu-too expensive (restructure please, can't pay $9M for 5 games or Will Allen/Golden)

Resign Foster, Lewis, Allen (early like we did Brown)
Sign FA WR and RB (Mendy if cheap and head OK)

I'm not a "capologist" so I'm not sure if we really can release some of these guys without a huge cap hit.

Steelhere10
12-24-2012, 11:49 AM
Good write up on the Depot. On who stays and goes.

Lebsteel
12-24-2012, 12:08 PM
Good write up on the Depot. On who stays and goes.
Yes, that was interesting.

papillon
12-24-2012, 12:26 PM
The only bit in the Depot article that I question would be Keenan Lewis. If, indeed, many of the vets retire or are cut there should be room to make a good contract offer to Lewis. I would hate to see him have to pack his bags and leave, Taylor, Lewis and Allen (Cortez) along with Polamalu and Clark would make a great secondary and would probably be the strength of the team.

I hope the Steelers do everything in their power to keep Lewis. We saw a glimpse of what this group of corners can do when given the chance. They played really good pass defense the final quarter of the season. If Taylor had been healthy yesterday, I doubt Green gets 10 catches.

Keep Lewis has to be their mantra in my opinion.

Pappy

Oviedo
12-24-2012, 01:47 PM
Wallace (#3 draft pick or FA)
Foote-old (Spence or #2 draft pick)
Leftwich-old and injury prone
Plax-old
Mendy (#4 draft pick)
Colon-injury poster boy (#5 draft pick as backup)
Harrison-old, no pass rush (#1 draft pick or Worilds is replacement)
Hampton-old (time for McClendon and T'amu if not in jail)
Polamalu-too expensive (restructure please, can't pay $9M for 5 games or Will Allen/Golden)

Resign Foster, Lewis, Allen (early like we did Brown)
Sign FA WR and RB (Mendy if cheap and head OK)

I'm not a "capologist" so I'm not sure if we really can release some of these guys without a huge cap hit.

Why resign Foster when we can get the best Guard in the draft and one of the best coming out in the past few years for probably less on a rookie contract? Chance Warmack is a future Pro Bowl player. Foster never will be.

I wouldn't waste a first round pick on a pass rusher who won't see the field for 2 years. Safety would be a great but this draft is loaded with Safeties and would a rookie start ahead of Clark or Troy in 2013? Warmack would be a Day 1 starter.

Must resign Keenan Lewis which is why I don't waste any on Foster. We will need every dollar we have to do that after the season he just had.

Many will poo poo taking another Guard in Round 1 and a few years ago I was one of the ones who said you don't use premier picks on Guards but reality has proven me wrong. We need drastic actions to improve this OL once and for all.

Shoe
12-24-2012, 01:58 PM
I agree with papillon, in that we need to sign a young guy like Keenan Lewis. Not break-the-bank signing him, but we need to hang on to young guys like him. I don't think he'll ever be a Pro-Bowl caliber CB, but you want to keep young guys like him, who dutifully work their way up and you know will come to play. I think he is a Deshea Townsend, Dwayne Woodruff level guy, but one that this D needs.

I think we also shouldn't dismiss his buddy Wallace so fast. Wallace may be a bit miscast in this offense, but he also still adds a dimension. I'm guessing that he is disappointed at the way this year went. I'm going to also guess and say he blames most of it on the club. That being said though, cooler heads need to prevail. I hope the team doesn't burn this bridge, and at least keeps the door open to this guy.

Lebsteel
12-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Why resign Foster when we can get the best Guard in the draft and one of the best coming out in the past few years for probably less on a rookie contract? Chance Warmack is a future Pro Bowl player. Foster never will be.

I wouldn't waste a first round pick on a pass rusher who won't see the field for 2 years. Safety would be a great but this draft is loaded with Safeties and would a rookie start ahead of Clark or Troy in 2013? Warmack would be a Day 1 starter.

Must resign Keenan Lewis which is why I don't waste any on Foster. We will need every dollar we have to do that after the season he just had.

Many will poo poo taking another Guard in Round 1 and a few years ago I was one of the ones who said you don't use premier picks on Guards but reality has proven me wrong. We need drastic actions to improve this OL once and for all.

Our first round OLB would see the field if Harrison and his huge cap hit are gone. We need an outside pass rush and I'm hoping Woodley can be better in 2013. Given the number of older players that will be gone, I really think next year will be a 8-8 type year as well. But it will be a great year for our younger guys to get experience and build the foundation for the future. I think resigning Foster wouldn't cost that much and it gives us some flexibility with a guy who can play G and emergency OT. I agree we need to sign Keenan Lewis and even Cortez Allen now.

Chadman
12-25-2012, 06:21 AM
Keenan Lewis now needs to be Priority #1. Would even go so far as to say he is the #1 CB on this roster.

supersteeler
12-25-2012, 07:29 AM
No worries people, Lewis will be signed and Cortez as well. They are good CB's and could get even better.When you invest time to develope players like them I would think squandering an opportunity to sign them to a contract would be counter productive.
The Steelers won't break the bank either in the process, we're talking about good CB's not all pro's yet. If Lewis was a pro bowl corner then we might have some concern with the contract but I think the Steelers will work something out.
As I mentioned in another post the Steelers are in a transition period, we will have to release some vets and develope some young players. Fans know it won't happen overnight to get a championship team restored but the sooner you begin the process the better off later.