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Steelhere10
12-19-2012, 11:22 PM
I went back to watch the Cowboys game and charted the number of blitz and how many was sent just out of curiosity.
1st half
5man rush =3
6man rush=2
4 or less was the rest


2nd half
5man rush=4
6man rush=0
ALL out blitz=1
There is a reason the team is not getting turnovers because DL refuse to hurry the QB and force them.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 11:31 PM
did you see who was playing cornerback when you re-watched the game?

there is a reason we didn't blitz a lot.

Steelhere10
12-19-2012, 11:37 PM
did you see who was playing cornerback when you re-watched the game?

there is a reason we didn't blitz a lot.Yes the same CB's that got picked apart, so it would not have hurt especially against a happy feet QB like Romo who is known for throwing int under pressure. But hey give him time to pick the D apart.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 11:40 PM
and yet the offense still had the ball at the end of regulation and the start of overtime to win the game.

not to mention a fumbled punt after another 4th quarter hold.

raycafan
12-20-2012, 12:05 AM
I have noticed that many times the defense is only rushing 3, usually on a 3 rd and long. For years it seemed like they would send more to create somebody getting open in this situation. When 3 are coming it seems all their doing is pushing up field as to not let the Qb get out of the pocket. No one of them seems to try any type of move to get a half man on the o linemen. Where is the A gap blitz, or even the outside lbs, coming hard off the edge with pressure from the inside. This was once the core of their defensive attack now they are more about covering than getting the Qb. Its weird to me that when defensively we figure out we can't sit in zone all the time and now have Cbs who are covering pretty well we no longer bring the heat. We just expect the boys in back to cover while the linemen dance with the matchup for 5 seconds.

supersteeler
12-20-2012, 07:11 PM
Steel10,
Your post has validity, our front seven is having the worse sack total's in years. I would rather see the Steelers be aggressive going after the QB and not be so concerned on the back end. Our CB's are getting beat anyway without Ike,Cortez, and Lewis not playing together, if we're going to be beat might as well try and force some turnovers if we can in the process.
If you noticed Harrison is making plays and getting better each week, while Woodley is still not healthy enough to be the impact player he was before the injuries. Then you combine the lack of push from our D-line and no wonder we have issues, their not getting off their blocks and its hurting us.
We might get Ike back for the playoffs, and with Cortez and Lewis we should be good again in the secondary as we had the #1 pass defense before the injuries so all is not lost.

Lets just beat the Bengals, the Holidays will be that much sweeter!

flippy
12-20-2012, 07:33 PM
I always thought the reason Lebeau played corners 7+ yards off the WRs was that it was safe so we could blitz and we could leave the CB with no help over the top.

But if we're leaving our safeties deep and we aren't blitzing, we should be able to press WRs at the LOS.

Something doesn't make sense here. The pass rush and cushions typically go hand in hand.

Chadman
12-20-2012, 07:45 PM
Starting to wonder if our OLB's are not 'fast' enough to speed rush anymore. They can still bull rush, no problem, but getting to the QB quickly now, seems difficult. The most effective 'blitzer' is Timmons, in Chadman's opinion, and probably because he is fast. Worilds had some success so far- and he seems quicker than Woodley.

Could it just be a lack of genuine speed on the outside that is contributing to the Steelers not getting to the QB?

Would REALLY like to see Sean Spence come back from his injury next year. His college career had him flashing through the OL with speed on so many occasions. We need that sort of disruption from the LB's.

flippy
12-20-2012, 07:51 PM
Starting to wonder if our OLB's are not 'fast' enough to speed rush anymore. They can still bull rush, no problem, but getting to the QB quickly now, seems difficult. The most effective 'blitzer' is Timmons, in Chadman's opinion, and probably because he is fast. Worilds had some success so far- and he seems quicker than Woodley.

Could it just be a lack of genuine speed on the outside that is contributing to the Steelers not getting to the QB?

Would REALLY like to see Sean Spence come back from his injury next year. His college career had him flashing through the OL with speed on so many occasions. We need that sort of disruption from the LB's.

I think it's the lack of push in the middle of the D. So the QBs aren't deep in the pocket where it's easier to use speed to get to them. The QB can step up into the pocket and then our OLBs have to bull rush thru huge tackles and our LBs are giving up close to 100 lbs in some cases.

I really think it's the NT and DEs not being what they once were.

BigRob
12-20-2012, 07:53 PM
Would REALLY like to see Sean Spence come back from his injury next year. His college career had him flashing through the OL with speed on so many occasions. We need that sort of disruption from the LB's.

That was a devastating injury. He's going to need two years to come back from that and be close to what he was capable of being.

NorthCoast
12-20-2012, 08:26 PM
I also rewatched the Dallas game. Let me add a little perspective; the Steelers were down to their 4 and 5 CBs in a game where the opponent was 8th in the NFL on offense. Despite this fact, the Steelers were in front and in control of this game late until the AB fumble. As I rewatched his return it was clear that had he not fumble, he had a lot of room to run and could very possibly had scored. This one play change the outcome of the game in my opinion because the defense had actually begun to slow Dallas down and forced a kick on the previous series.
I am not saying the Steelers are a good team right now, but I disagree that they are a bad team. They are a few plays away from having a division leading record. It might happen and it might not, but we all wanted to see youth playing this season and now we are getting our wish.

Chadman
12-20-2012, 08:37 PM
I think it's the lack of push in the middle of the D. So the QBs aren't deep in the pocket where it's easier to use speed to get to them. The QB can step up into the pocket and then our OLBs have to bull rush thru huge tackles and our LBs are giving up close to 100 lbs in some cases.

I really think it's the NT and DEs not being what they once were.

The Steelers have committed to Hood & Heyward by drafting them early, so Chadman thinks we'll probably have to grit the teeth & hope they pay off. There are flashes....but would like to see more.

A dominant NT might help their cause. Hampton has been getting slowly 'worse' for a few years- not bad, just not the force he was. Having a real big, dominant, nasty NT would probably improve a lot of the Steelers ails.

Jesse Williams, anyone? :)

Chadman
12-20-2012, 08:39 PM
That was a devastating injury. He's going to need two years to come back from that and be close to what he was capable of being.

Unfortunately, Chadman agrees.

Of all the draft picks- he was the one Chadman was most excited about. He has that 'playmaker' about him that seems to be missing from the current Steeler crop.

Chadman
12-20-2012, 08:58 PM
Speaking of dominating NT's.... this guy looks a player:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FQBE2pstPg

Oviedo
12-20-2012, 10:30 PM
Good to see that more and more fans are seeing that the defense doesn't work anymore and DL doesn't have any answers. His defense is predicated on pressuring the QB into making mistakes and constant pressure. That isn't happening anymore but we see the same defense rolled out every week with no ingenuity which should be easy from a "genius." Something as simple as moving Harrison and Woodley around, switching sides, stacking both on the same side, anything.

I've been saying for thre seasons that the league has DL figured out. Our decreasing sack and INT totals show that the big play defense we once were is now a a pop gun because opponents know exactly what to expect. QBs are no longer uncomfortable because they see exactly what they prepare for. Time for change.

Sword
12-21-2012, 11:51 AM
You are right on..this is one of the big things that is wrong with our defensive play calling..

Slapstick
12-21-2012, 12:24 PM
I also rewatched the Dallas game. Let me add a little perspective; the Steelers were down to their 4 and 5 CBs in a game where the opponent was 8th in the NFL on offense. Despite this fact, the Steelers were in front and in control of this game late until the AB fumble. As I rewatched his return it was clear that had he not fumble, he had a lot of room to run and could very possibly had scored. This one play change the outcome of the game in my opinion because the defense had actually begun to slow Dallas down and forced a kick on the previous series.


Of course, this is ignored because it doesn't fit into the anti-LeBeau agenda...:rolleyes:

raycafan
12-21-2012, 01:05 PM
Hey Slap, I am not anti DL. I just am wondering why the dynamics of the defense as seemed to change. Some say age, some say injuries which I am sure is part of it. But to me it seems the scheme is not the same as it once was. I wonder why?

Slapstick
12-21-2012, 02:14 PM
Hey Slap, I am not anti DL. I just am wondering why the dynamics of the defense as seemed to change. Some say age, some say injuries which I am sure is part of it. But to me it seems the scheme is not the same as it once was. I wonder why?

People have been complaining about the "LeBeau cushion" for years on this very board...for the last two years, our top two pass rushers have been less than 100% healthy, not to mention Polamalu this season, but our DBs have upgraded in coverage for the most part...

supersteeler
12-21-2012, 02:53 PM
Lebeau isn't the problem with our D, and never was. Actually he is doing a tremendous job. Before the injury to Ike Taylor, Lewis and Cortez we had the #1 pass defense in the entire NFL.
Just think how good they would be with some good D-linemen, and Woodley@ 100 percent. Coaching takes you so far, you have to have the players.
Sorry, Heyward and Hood should be playing better for being #1 picks so we have to live with what we have.
If we could get Woodley back to where he was before his injuries we would be in good shape, those nagging injuries are hurting his play. Silverback on the other hand is making plays and getting better, we just don't have enough Silverbacks in our front seven.

However this winds up, I'm proud to be a Steeler fan and know they will give it their all win or lose. I will say this, if the Steelers win their next two and get healthy for the playoffs no team will want to play us.

GO PITTSBURGH!

ikestops85
12-21-2012, 04:51 PM
Good to see that more and more fans are seeing that the defense doesn't work anymore and DL doesn't have any answers. His defense is predicated on pressuring the QB into making mistakes and constant pressure. That isn't happening anymore but we see the same defense rolled out every week with no ingenuity which should be easy from a "genius." Something as simple as moving Harrison and Woodley around, switching sides, stacking both on the same side, anything.

I've been saying for thre seasons that the league has DL figured out. Our decreasing sack and INT totals show that the big play defense we once were is now a a pop gun because opponents know exactly what to expect. QBs are no longer uncomfortable because they see exactly what they prepare for. Time for change.

What in the world are you talking about? Granted the defense started out the year bad but then DL did something you say he can't do. He adjusted to life without Troy and the defense was playing lights out with Will Allen and Ryan Clark as the safety tandem. They were on a streak and arguably playing like the best defense in the league.

Then Troy came back and things started to noticeably decline. Now, do you want DL to sit a healthy former defensive player of the year who is the second highest paid player on the team (I think) while we start a journeyman safety in his spot? Or do you start said star safety and let him play his way back into football shape? I think DL has done a tremendous job with the defense this year. Its probably been one of his greatest seasons as a coach.

Oviedo
12-22-2012, 12:34 PM
What in the world are you talking about? Granted the defense started out the year bad but then DL did something you say he can't do. He adjusted to life without Troy and the defense was playing lights out with Will Allen and Ryan Clark as the safety tandem. They were on a streak and arguably playing like the best defense in the league.

Then Troy came back and things started to noticeably decline. Now, do you want DL to sit a healthy former defensive player of the year who is the second highest paid player on the team (I think) while we start a journeyman safety in his spot? Or do you start said star safety and let him play his way back into football shape? I think DL has done a tremendous job with the defense this year. Its probably been one of his greatest seasons as a coach.


Please point out where I said sit the "former defensive player of the year?" Guess I can't read my own typing. Former does mean in the past not the present correct? We are playing these games in the present not the past but I still never suggested sitting a specific player.