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Oviedo
12-19-2012, 03:25 PM
Heard Gruden on the radio today. Very interesting thought he had on why we are seeing so many injuries especially to OL. Bottoline Line Up Front: He thinks Power football is dying and will be gone soon. Two reasons he cited:

1. The talent pool in college are mostly playing spread football on offense and the players aren't being developed to play a power style of football. Therefore they can't do it in the NFL.

2. The new CBA prohibits contact in practice therefore teams can't practice a power style of football which results in more linemen getting hurt in games, poor tackling, etc.

Very interesting insights. He thinks the spread will become more and more the norm in the NFL and what we have seen in the past with power running games is becoming a thing of the past.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 03:33 PM
Meanwhile the Steelers will continue to try to power run and only run between the tackles after lining up as many players as possible in the box, forcing the entire defense into the box.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 04:05 PM
Meanwhile the Steelers will continue to try to power run and only run between the tackles after lining up as many players as possible in the box, forcing the entire defense into the box.

I don't understand that either when we have not had great Guard play in three years. Need more runs to the edge and sweeps.

lloydroid
12-19-2012, 04:24 PM
The Steelers just don't even know what they are. They try to power rush, and it fails. They do all these bubble screens with mixed success, often with not too much. Gruden should be the coach in Pgh next year.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 04:53 PM
The Steelers just don't even know what they are. They try to power rush, and it fails. They do all these bubble screens with mixed success, often with not too much. Gruden should be the coach in Pgh next year.

Sorry...we already have a good coach.

pittpete
12-19-2012, 07:13 PM
I don't understand that either when we have not had great Guard play in three years. Need more runs to the edge and sweeps.

Tomlins saving the outside runs in his pocket for use at a later time;)

steelfin
12-19-2012, 07:15 PM
I thought he would have mentioned Marcus Gilbert at some point in his injury theory....

How about Gruden as the offensive coordinator...

Captain Lemming
12-20-2012, 04:19 PM
The Steelers just don't even know what they are. They try to power rush, and it fails. They do all these bubble screens with mixed success, often with not too much. Gruden should be the coach in Pgh next year.

Tomlin was hired as the defensive backs coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2001, In 2002 and 2005, the Buccaneers led the NFL in total defense (fewest yards allowed per game)—during Tomlin's tenure, the defense never ranked worse than sixth overall. When the Buccaneers won Super Bowl XXXVII in January 2003, the team recorded five interceptions, three of which were returned for touchdowns.


With Tomlin, Grudens Bucs have one of the best secondary play in history, featuring no-name corners. Gruden wins the SB on the strength of a record set for SB interceptions.


1st season Post Tomlin Gruden has the worst record in his career as a coach. In three post Tomlin seasons he would not win a single playoff game.


It is funny how you credit BC for Tomlins success years after BC is gone but you want Gruden who won 1 SB in his first year at Tampa with a Dungy built team (with Tomlin leading the secondary) and turned it into a loser.


What possible cred does Gruden have based on your very same criticisms of Tomlin?

RuthlessBurgher
12-20-2012, 05:00 PM
People think Gruden is this great offensive mind who can develop a QB for you on the basis of watching those pre-draft shows of him watching tape with new incoming rookie QB's. But as a coach, he never developed a single young QB worth a crap. His only success was with veteran retread QB's.

lloydroid
12-20-2012, 05:35 PM
Sorry...we already have a good coach.

Good coaches don't consistently loose to such bad teams. They just don't. This one does. Something is wrong. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

lloydroid
12-20-2012, 05:36 PM
People think Gruden is this great offensive mind who can develop a QB for you on the basis of watching those pre-draft shows of him watching tape with new incoming rookie QB's. But as a coach, he never developed a single young QB worth a crap. His only success was with veteran retread QB's.

And guess what we have? A veteran QB. So it looks like a perfect fit.

NorthCoast
12-20-2012, 08:42 PM
Good coaches don't consistently loose to such bad teams. They just don't. This one does. Something is wrong. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Again your perceptions are wrong. Educate yourself on the Steelers record: since Tomlin's arrival the Steelers have won 4 out of 5 games against teams with losing records. Please stop trying to rewrite history

DukieBoy
12-20-2012, 08:51 PM
Again your perceptions are wrong. Educate yourself on the Steelers record: since Tomlin's arrival the Steelers have won 4 out of 5 games against teams with losing records. Please stop trying to rewrite history


Why let the facts get in the way of an irrational belief ?

flippy
12-20-2012, 08:55 PM
Guys need to hit in practice to get tough and game ready. It's not happening any more in the NFL or college. This may end up causing more injuries in the long run.

Oviedo
12-20-2012, 10:33 PM
Guys need to hit in practice to get tough and game ready. It's not happening any more in the NFL or college. This may end up causing more injuries in the long run.

Essentially I think that was the point Gruden was trying to make.

BURGH86STEEL
12-20-2012, 10:52 PM
Guys need to hit in practice to get tough and game ready. It's not happening any more in the NFL or college. This may end up causing more injuries in the long run.
I don't believe it has anything to do with being tough or game ready. Players are always going to suffer injuries playing football. I believe bigger, stronger, and faster players is probably the biggest reason why players suffer many injuries. The human body has a difficult time keeping up with the size and speed of today's players and PED's.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-20-2012, 11:54 PM
I don't believe it has anything to do with being tough or game ready. Players are always going to suffer injuries playing football. I believe bigger, stronger, and faster players is probably the biggest reason why players suffer many injuries. The human body has a difficult time keeping up with the size and speed of today's players and PED's.
I think PED's are part of it. I think the use of food raised by Monsanto genetically modified seeds as well as eating animals raised on antibiotics and testosterone do have big impacts on the size of current humans not to mention part of their mental makeup.

Shoe
12-21-2012, 01:38 AM
The Steelers just don't even know what they are. They try to power rush, and it fails. They do all these bubble screens with mixed success, often with not too much. Gruden should be the coach in Pgh next year.

They were actually looking quite efficient until Ben went down. Until he went down, he was having what could be considered a career year for him. He went down, missed three games, and the last two (games) he has shown some rust.


People think Gruden is this great offensive mind who can develop a QB for you on the basis of watching those pre-draft shows of him watching tape with new incoming rookie QB's. But as a coach, he never developed a single young QB worth a crap. His only success was with veteran retread QB's.

Exactly.
I think Gruden is a good coach, but he is vastly overrated IMO. He had everything in Tampa... and the ship sunk. TBH, I think his TV persona, is his normal demeanor. Problem is that it has a degree of un genuineness. I think people pick up on that.