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hawaiiansteel
12-19-2012, 02:21 PM
Current Steelers offensive line offers insight into the future

by Steel City Retro
Dec 19

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Far be it from me to look ahead to 2013 for the Steelers, since they are still right in the thick of the playoff chase, but some things are coming into focus nonetheless. Itís funny how things work out sometimes in the NFL, but itís also not exactly an odd ball occurrence either. Players get injured, underachieve, or the front office makes decisions mid season that carry over into future years.

For the Steelers, the Offensive Line started out with Max Starks, Willie Colon, Maurkice Pouncey, Ramon Foster, and Marcus Gilbert. Over the weeks itís transformed, mainly due to injuries, and might be giving us an indication of whatís to come later on.

David DeCastro is now the starting RG and will remain there since coming back from injury and Willie Colon being placed on IR, and former RG Ramon Foster now moved to LG. Marcus Gilbert went on Injured Reserve at the end of November and was replaced previously by Mike Adams, who is set to return possibly this weekend when the Bengals come to town. Max Starks is still his reliable self, holding down the fort at LT, but he is an unrestricted free agent again in 2013.

With Starks, the nine year veteran has been off and on the Steelers roster the last two seasons. The team brought him back after a rash of injuries early in 2011 in an effort to try and save what was left of Sean Kuglerís group and solidify the musical chairs ensemble that Pittsburgh was dealing with. It would seem that Starks would likely be available again should the Steelers need him next year, however his performance this season could make a target in free agency for teams looking for a veteran LT.

Speaking of free agents, Ramon Foster has nearly 40 starts in his young NFL career and is still making the league minimum of $1.26 million. His stock will rise significantly next season and if the Steelers want to keep him they would be wise to lock him up before free agency starts if possible. While he may not garner top dollar he will certainly be looking for a much bigger payday.

Willie Colon is in the middle of a 5 yr, $29 million dollar contract that he signed in June 2011, but is not on Injured Reserve again for the 3rd season in a row. The Steelers restructured his deal this past offseason to save cap room but it may be time to move on from the oft injured lineman and go with the youth movement.

The young talent invested in the line over the last 2 seasons in particular will need to start taking a prominent role for whatís left of 2012 and certainly in future years. Thatís as it should be and we should expect the Steelers front office to give them a chance to take over their respective starting jobs and move forward with what could be an elite blocking line for years to come.

Even with Starks still at LT for this season yet, and doing a fine job at that, donít be surprised if your 2013 line looks like:

LT Ė Marcus Gilbert
LG Ė Ramon Foster
C Ė Maurkice Pouncey
RG Ė David DeCastro
RT Ė Mike Adams

Perhaps Gilbert and Adams switch positions, as both have experience on either side of the line, but either way they look to be the bookends of the future. Combined with youth and toughness in the middle there is much to look forward to the remainder of this season and in the future.

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flippy
12-19-2012, 02:26 PM
I think we could be alright with Gilbert, Colon, Pouncey, DD, Adams. I think we may be stuck with Colon and should probably try and bring Max back. If we cut ties with Colon, I'd try to bring Foster back too and move DD to the Left next year. I would be all for drafting another G in next years draft either way. Colon's injury prone and Foster's limited in capability.

skyhawk
12-19-2012, 02:28 PM
Starks is the unsung solid hero of this year's dim offense.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 02:29 PM
I would leave DD at right guard, cut colon, and resign foster and max if I could.

let gilbert and adams battle it out for the right side with beachum being the swing guard and back up RT.

BigRob
12-19-2012, 02:31 PM
I think we could be alright with Gilbert, Colon, Pouncey, DD, Adams. I think we may be stuck with Colon and should probably try and bring Max back. If we cut ties with Colon, I'd try to bring Foster back too and move DD to the Left next year. I would be all for drafting another G in next years draft either way. Colon's injury prone and Foster's limited in capability.

Not unless Gilbert pulls his head out of his azz. He was terrible this year and was a one man wrecking crew against his own team.

Slapstick
12-19-2012, 02:33 PM
Not unless Gilbert pulls his head out of his azz. He was terrible this year and was a one man wrecking crew against his own team.

Perhaps the new OL coach can work with him...

BigRob
12-19-2012, 02:38 PM
Perhaps the new OL coach can work with him...

Agreed, he had a good rookie year. I think he loses focus too easy and I don't think he worked very hard in the off-season. I am hoping for an above average O-line coaching hire.

flippy
12-19-2012, 02:38 PM
Not unless Gilbert pulls his head out of his azz. He was terrible this year and was a one man wrecking crew against his own team.

I like him better on the left from what little we've seen of him there. I also like Adams on the right and would keep him more focused on run blocking. That's why I'd like to get DD over to the left so we can run right behind Adams, RG, and DD.

I think Adams and Foster did ok together and we ran well their way with Colon pulling.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 02:40 PM
I like him better on the left from what little we've seen of him there. I also like Adams on the right and would keep him more focused on run blocking. That's why I'd like to get DD over to the left so we can run right behind Adams, RG, and DD.

I think Adams and Foster did ok together and we ran well their way with Colon pulling.

with DDs ability to pull, I think he is much more valuable at RG.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 03:11 PM
Adams or Gilbert at LT = Ben Injured and missing games. Neither has shown even a glimpse of being able to play the hardest position in the NFL. The team would be delusional going forward with one of them at LT.

raycafan
12-19-2012, 03:11 PM
Hi all new here just thought I would like to get into this particular topic. To tell you the truth I like Beachum (sp) at tackle better than Adams. I have been watching him specifically during the course of these last games he has started, he has some good feet, he keeps them moving as to keep himself between Ben and defense. In the time he has played he has done a better job the Adams. Adams is like a revolving door, he plants his feet and cannot get them started again. So when a player moves up field on him he has rooted himself to the ground and the player runs around him. For a 7 round pick Beach has been playing really well, over the off season he needs to put on some upper body strength, but his legs and gluteus max are good size. Anyway, just thought I would put in my thoughts. Again Hello

BigRob
12-19-2012, 03:15 PM
Adams or Gilbert at LT = Ben Injured and missing games. Neither has shown even a glimpse of being able to play the hardest position in the NFL. The team would be delusional going forward with one of them at LT.

May not have a choice.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 03:16 PM
Adams or Gilbert at LT = Ben Injured and missing games. Neither has shown even a glimpse of being able to play the hardest position in the NFL. The team would be delusional going forward with one of them at LT.

I see your point and raise you, jonathan scott.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 03:19 PM
I see your point and raise you, jonathan scott.

Exactly. That is the level they are at right now. They may become very good but they aren't now.

Slapstick
12-19-2012, 03:54 PM
Agreed, he had a good rookie year. I think he loses focus too easy and I don't think he worked very hard in the off-season. I am hoping for an above average O-line coaching hire.

Well, we got our last o-line coach from the Bills...why not the next one?

Since Chan Gailey will most likely be canned, why not Aliquippa native Joe D'Alessandris, who worked with Haley at KC in 2009?

BigRob
12-19-2012, 03:57 PM
Well, we got our last o-line coach from the Bills...why not the next one?

Since Chan Gailey will most likely be canned, why not Aliquippa native Joe D'Alessandris, who worked with Haley at KC in 2009?

Hell, he developed Urbik when we couldn't. Why not. :p

hawaiiansteel
12-19-2012, 04:06 PM
Hi all new here just thought I would like to get into this particular topic. To tell you the truth I like Beachum (sp) at tackle better than Adams. I have been watching him specifically during the course of these last games he has started, he has some good feet, he keeps them moving as to keep himself between Ben and defense. In the time he has played he has done a better job the Adams. Adams is like a revolving door, he plants his feet and cannot get them started again. So when a player moves up field on him he has rooted himself to the ground and the player runs around him. For a 7 round pick Beach has been playing really well, over the off season he needs to put on some upper body strength, but his legs and gluteus max are good size. Anyway, just thought I would put in my thoughts. Again Hello

very good first post and welcome to the board! :Cheers

flippy
12-19-2012, 04:10 PM
Since Chan Gailey will most likely be canned, why not Aliquippa native Joe D'Alessandris, who worked with Haley at KC in 2009?

How bout with replace Haley with Chan? I was always a Chan fan. Look what he did with Kordell. Just imagine what he could do with Ben.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 04:18 PM
How bout with replace Haley with Chan? I was always a Chan fan. Look what he did with Kordell. Just imagine what he could do with Ben.


Changing Off Coord every year is a recipe for disaster. Haley hasn't done anything to warrant not being retained. If he leaves to become a head coach that is one thing but he is doing a good job with not even a full year on the job.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 11:48 PM
Starks is the unsung solid hero of this year's dim offense.
True story....Sign Starks to a 2 year deal already.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 11:54 PM
Changing Off Coord every year is a recipe for disaster. Haley hasn't done anything to warrant not being retained. If he leaves to become a head coach that is one thing but he is doing a good job with not even a full year on the job.
Ben was off to a record year and in our early losses we were putting up a decent point total. I think a lot of what Haley's offense is based off of is the run game and our OL being decimated, not to mention our unreliable RB's, plus Ben being out crushed his chances of success.

You can see Ben and Haley aren't mixing on the sideline. With the crappy skill player attitudes maybe they are all pissed off and it's showing on the field.

Only scary part about the potential of Haley moving on is Tomlin wanted Kirby Wilson as the OC but one year ago. I would be terrified about him running the offense.

Flasteel
12-20-2012, 12:03 AM
Why bother trying to predict what the line will look like next year when you can't accurately predict what it will look like against the Browns next week.

RuthlessBurgher
12-20-2012, 12:12 AM
True story....Sign Starks to a 2 year deal already.

They might after the season's over (before free agency begins) but they do not negotiate new contracts during the season.