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feltdizz
12-17-2012, 03:06 PM
Wallys fault.. BA used to get the blame for the D stinking it up... and now Wally is blamed for anything bad that happens on offense.

flippy
12-17-2012, 03:09 PM
Wallys fault.. BA used to get the blame for the D stinking it up... and now Wally is blamed for anything bad that happens on offense.

Wally wasn't even on the field for AB's punt return fumble, but I blame him for that play. I have a theory that when Wally cut his mohawk, he lost his swagger.

Bring back the hawk.

feltdizz
12-17-2012, 03:10 PM
Wally wasn't even on the field for AB's punt return fumble, but I blame him for that play. I have a theory that when Wally cut his mohawk, he lost his swagger.

Bring back the hawk.

you may be right... bring back the hawk.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-17-2012, 03:14 PM
people who can't wait to run him out of town should love the offense next year.

should be a thing of beauty.

feltdizz
12-17-2012, 04:20 PM
people who can't wait to run him out of town should love the offense next year.

should be a thing of beauty.

I don't want him run out of town.. but I don't want to overpay for him either...

the blame he is getting for bad throws or other WR's coming up short is insane. We are now at a point when a WR makes a catch and the first thing someone says is "Wally wouldn't catch that" lol...

squidkid
12-17-2012, 04:28 PM
people who can't wait to run him out of town should love the offense next year.

should be a thing of beauty.


you mean it wouldnt be the juggernaut it is right now with wallace?
besides, wallace doesnt want to be here next year. he will run out of town himself.

Oviedo
12-17-2012, 04:28 PM
I don't want him run out of town.. but I don't want to overpay for him either...

the blame he is getting for bad throws or other WR's coming up short is insane. We are now at a point when a WR makes a catch and the first thing someone says is "Wally wouldn't catch that" lol...

You have the opinion of the vast majority of the fans, keep him at a reasonable price and don't let "the market" cause you to grossly overpay and WR with many flaws.

Unfortunately his love buddies think he should get whatever other stupid team overpaid other WRs.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-17-2012, 04:50 PM
I don't want him run out of town.. but I don't want to overpay for him either...

the blame he is getting for bad throws or other WR's coming up short is insane. We are now at a point when a WR makes a catch and the first thing someone says is "Wally wouldn't catch that" lol...

same here, but wallace is gone. Its too toxic here for exactly the reason you describe.

thank god the "best wr" on the team is having such a stellar year and no one doubts he can elevate his game in wallaces absence.

oh wait.

feltdizz
12-17-2012, 04:55 PM
same here, but wallace is gone. Its too toxic here for exactly the reason you describe.

thank god the "best wr" on the team is having such a stellar year and no one doubts he can elevate his game in wallaces absence.

oh wait.

It's too toxic for this board... but in the locker room? I doubt it.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-17-2012, 05:00 PM
It's too toxic for this board... but in the locker room? I doubt it.

I'm talking fans in general.

and I can see both sides of it.

flippy
12-17-2012, 05:59 PM
I'm talking fans in general.

and I can see both sides of it.

You could have argued it was too toxic for Ike after the Ten game. But he just kept playing hard and has redeemed himself. Wally can take away the toxic by just performing. As fickle as we react when things go back, we'll embrace a guy just as quickly.

Oviedo
12-17-2012, 06:06 PM
You could have argued it was too toxic for Ike after the Ten game. But he just kept playing hard and has redeemed himself. Wally can take away the toxic by just performing. As fickle as we react when things go back, we'll embrace a guy just as quickly.

Except Ike really wants to be here and Wallace doesn't. That is the dynamic we need to recognize.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-17-2012, 06:09 PM
I disagree that wallace would be welcomed back with open arms at this point. The bitterness has been amplified to the point, its better for both sides to part ways.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
12-17-2012, 06:26 PM
I disagree that wallace would be welcomed back with open arms at this point. The bitterness has been amplified to the point, its better for both sides to part ways.

Like the bitterness with Ward while he was holding out or with Ben during the Miledgeville affair? Fans easily forget once a player begins performing.

flippy
12-17-2012, 06:36 PM
Like the bitterness with Ward while he was holding out or with Ben during the Miledgeville affair? Fans easily forget once a player begins performing.

Although, Ray Lewis stabbing someone and the Patriots SpyGate seem as fresh as if they happened yesterday. :)

Chadman
12-17-2012, 07:17 PM
Wallace is being judged not necessarily for his play on the field, but for our percieved 'value' of him.

He is not dropping any more passes than any other WR on this team (save for Miller, of course), yet he is roundly critisised for every drop while Sanders & Brown are not recieving anywhere near the same level. We hear that Wallace is underperforming, yet he outstrips every other WR as far as production this season. He doesn't 'put in any effort', yet his production outperforms his peers.

Last week- 2 TD's & 100+ yards & he 'did his job', no 'he had a good game'.... but Brown doesn't top 100+ yards & we don't say "Brown underperformed". Seems fair & reasonable judgement by those on the board, doesn't it?

At the risk of obtaining Oviedo's ire & turning into a "Wallace lover"- he is our best WR. What's his value? Hs value is whatever it takes to retain him. They'll be poorer if they lose him- which they will, it would seem.

Wallace is on track for his 3rd 1000+ yard season. Brown is not even on track for his 2nd. Brown & Sanders are putting the ball on the deck with regularity these last few weeks- not Wallace.

Let's be fair- Mendenhall was a healthy inactive after he fumbled twice as punishment. It must be Brown's turn to sit as a healthy inactive this week, right?

RuthlessBurgher
12-17-2012, 07:21 PM
I disagree that wallace would be welcomed back with open arms at this point. The bitterness has been amplified to the point, its better for both sides to part ways.

In the minds of fans, perhaps. But is there unresolveable bitterness between Wallace and Tomlin? Wallace and Colbert? Wallace and Rooney? Wallace and Haley? Wallace and Ben?

As our brother from Toronto pointed out, Hines' holdout was completely forgiven and forgotten my most fans, who came to truly love the guy (well, except for Crash, but that's another story), and Hines' holdout was a much more egregious offense (since he refused to show up in spite of having a contract that he signed, while Wallace had no such signed contract in place).

Speaking of Mike Wallace, I just found out for the first time that Michael is actually his middle name. His actually given name is Burnell Wallace III.

:wft

Now tell me...if your name was Burnell Michael Wallace III, and you had his elite level speed, would you use the same name as the old man from 60 Minutes, or would you call yourself Burn Wallace?

In order to truly turn over a leaf with fans, dude needs to come back with a fresh start...a name change (only he would be changing his name back to his actual real name, not some stupid made up crap like Ochocinco or Metta World Peace or Bison Dele or whatever). The stipulation for bringing him back would be to sign on the dotted line as Burn Wallace, not Mike Wallace. Steeler fans hate Mike Wallace. Steeler fans can still grow to love all that Burn Wallace can bring.

Of course, since RG3 has blown up, he could always forget the Bugatti thing and just call himself BMW3 instead. After all, the 3-Series of Beemers is compact and fast. Perfect marketing campaign.

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-BMW-3series-6.jpg

Chadman
12-17-2012, 07:33 PM
Every now & then we get an insight into the inner workings of Ruthless' mind.

:)

RuthlessBurgher
12-17-2012, 07:44 PM
Wallace is being judged not necessarily for his play on the field, but for our percieved 'value' of him.

He is not dropping any more passes than any other WR on this team (save for Miller, of course), yet he is roundly critisised for every drop while Sanders & Brown are not recieving anywhere near the same level. We hear that Wallace is underperforming, yet he outstrips every other WR as far as production this season. He doesn't 'put in any effort', yet his production outperforms his peers.

Last week- 2 TD's & 100+ yards & he 'did his job', no 'he had a good game'.... but Brown doesn't top 100+ yards & we don't say "Brown underperformed". Seems fair & reasonable judgement by those on the board, doesn't it?

At the risk of obtaining Oviedo's ire & turning into a "Wallace lover"- he is our best WR. What's his value? Hs value is whatever it takes to retain him. They'll be poorer if they lose him- which they will, it would seem.

Wallace is on track for his 3rd 1000+ yard season. Brown is not even on track for his 2nd. Brown & Sanders are putting the ball on the deck with regularity these last few weeks- not Wallace.

Let's be fair- Mendenhall was a healthy inactive after he fumbled twice as punishment. It must be Brown's turn to sit as a healthy inactive this week, right?

You are correct, Chadman, Wallace is still our best WR.

Wallace has 63 catches for 823 yards and 8 TD's and he is despised by fans.
Meanwhile, Heath Miller has 68 catches for 771 yards and 8 TD's and he's beloved.

For how dysfunctional our offense has looked this of late, I would hate to see how much worse it would get if subtracted Wallace's production (not to mention his tendency to draw extra coverage his way which opens up opportunities for others), and we were left with just Brown and Sanders as starters (particularly with their propensity for coughing the ball up lately).

Consider the combined production of Brown and Sanders this year...100 catches for 1253 yards and 4 TD's...in 25 combined games played. Wallace's best season by himself...in 16 games...was 60 catches for 1257 yards and 10 TD's. Even with Brown finally catching TD's in back-to-back games in the last 2 weeks, Wallace still, in a down year for him statistically, in an offense which does not suit his talents to a 'T', and without any OTA's, minicamps, or training camps, he still has twice as many TD catches this season as Brown and Sanders combined.

RuthlessBurgher
12-17-2012, 07:46 PM
Every now & then we get an insight into the inner workings of Ruthless' mind.

:)

It's a little weird in here sometimes, but nowhere close to the funhouse that is the inner workings of flippy's mind. :p

Sugar
12-17-2012, 07:55 PM
You are correct, Chadman, Wallace is still our best WR.

Wallace has 63 catches for 823 yards and 8 TD's and he is despised by fans.
Meanwhile, Heath Miller has 68 catches for 771 yards and 8 TD's and he's beloved.

For how dysfunctional our offense has looked this of late, I would hate to see how much worse it would get if subtracted Wallace's production (not to mention his tendency to draw extra coverage his way which opens up opportunities for others), and we were left with just Brown and Sanders as starters (particularly with their propensity for coughing the ball up lately).

Consider the combined production of Brown and Sanders this year...100 catches for 1253 yards and 4 TD's...in 25 combined games played. Wallace's best season by himself...in 16 games...was 60 catches for 1257 yards and 10 TD's. Even with Brown finally catching TD's in back-to-back games in the last 2 weeks, Wallace still, in a down year for him statistically, in an offense which does not suit his talents to a 'T', and without any OTA's, minicamps, or training camps, he still has twice as many TD catches this season as Brown and Sanders combined.

Thanks for making this point. Wallace is a quality player and I'm hopeful to keep him. I don't know what "breaking the bank" means for him, but he should be paid like the Steelers best WR because he is.

Chadman
12-17-2012, 07:55 PM
It's a little weird in here sometimes, but nowhere close to the funhouse that is the inner workings of flippy's mind. :p

To be fair, Flippy is nuttier than a Snickers.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-17-2012, 08:00 PM
Wallace is a 2A and Brown a 2B....we have no #1.

Sugar
12-17-2012, 08:02 PM
Wallace is a 2A and Brown a 2B....we have no #1. What do you mean by a #1? He's the Steelers best WR, so wouldn't that make him #1?

Mister Pittsburgh
12-17-2012, 08:09 PM
What do you mean by a #1? He's the Steelers best WR, so wouldn't that make him #1?

Makes him OUR #1 but he couldn't hold most other teams #1's jocks. There is a bakers dozen better WR in the NFL I would take over him but he wants to hold out for their level money....

Chadman
12-17-2012, 08:10 PM
Wallace is a 2A and Brown a 2B....we have no #1.

You are right- Wallace isn't a 'complete' WR. He has flaws. But he's easily the most damaging WR on this team, and certainly one of the most dangerous in the NFL. He's not an Andre Johnson, he's not that type of player. And he's not Hines Ward either- not that sort of player either.

This team will be worse off without him- unless they are forced to replace him through the draft. He's not irreplaceable. But on a team that is currently going through a shift from old-to-new, the fewer 'forced' changes, the better. If they have Wallace, Brown & Sanders- they don't 'need' to get a high round WR. They can focus on a new NT, or OLB, or SS/FS... or LG, LT...

But if they lose Wallace- they'll need to replace Wallace.

So what's his 'worth' to the Steelers, if losing him means having to replace him & putting another position's priority back a year?

Eddie Spaghetti
12-17-2012, 08:16 PM
if there are a bakers dozen WRs better than mike wallace, I don't want to know how many there are thats better than AB.

you know, the guy who is actually getting paid big money this season.

RuthlessBurgher
12-17-2012, 08:25 PM
Makes him OUR #1 but he couldn't hold most other teams #1's jocks. There is a bakers dozen better WR in the NFL I would take over him but he wants to hold out for their level money....

Here's your baker's dozen (the top 13 wideouts with the most receiving yards this season):

1 Calvin Johnson DET WR 106 1,667 15.7 119.1 53 5 32 4 79 74.5 2
2 Brandon Marshall CHI WR 107 1,398 13.1 99.9 56 10 17 2 70 65.4 2
3 Andre Johnson HOU WR 93 1,360 14.6 97.1 60T 4 20 5 68 73.1 0
4 Reggie Wayne IND WR 97 1,234 12.7 88.1 30T 4 21 0 65 67.0 1
5 Vincent Jackson TB WR 62 1,226 19.8 87.6 95 8 22 5 54 87.1 0
6 Demaryius Thomas DEN WR 78 1,210 15.5 86.4 71T 8 23 5 50 64.1 3
7 A.J. Green CIN WR 85 1,208 14.2 86.3 73T 11 14 7 56 65.9 1
8 Wes Welker NE WR 100 1,172 11.7 83.7 59 4 10 2 60 60.0 2
9 Roddy White ATL WR 79 1,156 14.6 82.6 59 5 16 3 64 81.0 1
10 Dez Bryant DAL WR 79 1,087 13.8 77.6 85T 10 14 3 44 55.7 2
11 Julio Jones ATL WR 69 1,071 15.5 76.5 80T 9 16 5 49 71.0 0
12 Steve Smith CAR WR 66 1,056 16.0 75.4 66 3 14 3 47 71.2 0
13 Victor Cruz NYG WR 79 1,019 12.9 72.8 80T 9 11 3 49 62.0 0

Calvin is from another planet, and there some up-and-comers there who have talent oozing from their pores like A.J. Green and Julio Jones...complete package types (which Wallace will never be...guys like that just seem to be a whole other species sometimes). There are a few on that list I wouldn't put ahead of Wallace right now strictly because of age (Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith, for instance, are still performing right now, but they're on the back nine and headed for Hines Wardville in a few seasons...also, Andre Johnson is a beast and Wes Welker is a pass-catching machine, but how many more elite-level years do they have in the tank?...that's up for debate). Interesting conversation, though.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-17-2012, 08:25 PM
One question I have is are most of our players mentally handicapped or do our position coaches suck? Have Brown, Wallace, Sanders, Mendenhall gotten better at anything over the past 3 years? Mendenhall still carries the rock a foot from his body. Our WR still run terrible routes and haven't seemed to have improved with catching with their hands or holding onto the ball. I almost spit a drink out when I saw Wallace catch that ball with his hands even though his body control sucks and he was out of bounds and it looks like Brown needs sneezed on to fumble....

Mister Pittsburgh
12-17-2012, 08:29 PM
Here's your baker's dozen (the top 13 wideouts with the most receiving yards this season):

1 Calvin Johnson DET WR 106 1,667 15.7 119.1 53 5 32 4 79 74.5 2
2 Brandon Marshall CHI WR 107 1,398 13.1 99.9 56 10 17 2 70 65.4 2
3 Andre Johnson HOU WR 93 1,360 14.6 97.1 60T 4 20 5 68 73.1 0
4 Reggie Wayne IND WR 97 1,234 12.7 88.1 30T 4 21 0 65 67.0 1
5 Vincent Jackson TB WR 62 1,226 19.8 87.6 95 8 22 5 54 87.1 0
6 Demaryius Thomas DEN WR 78 1,210 15.5 86.4 71T 8 23 5 50 64.1 3
7 A.J. Green CIN WR 85 1,208 14.2 86.3 73T 11 14 7 56 65.9 1
8 Wes Welker NE WR 100 1,172 11.7 83.7 59 4 10 2 60 60.0 2
9 Roddy White ATL WR 79 1,156 14.6 82.6 59 5 16 3 64 81.0 1
10 Dez Bryant DAL WR 79 1,087 13.8 77.6 85T 10 14 3 44 55.7 2
11 Julio Jones ATL WR 69 1,071 15.5 76.5 80T 9 16 5 49 71.0 0
12 Steve Smith CAR WR 66 1,056 16.0 75.4 66 3 14 3 47 71.2 0
13 Victor Cruz NYG WR 79 1,019 12.9 72.8 80T 9 11 3 49 62.0 0

Calvin is from another planet, and there some up-and-comers there who have talent oozing from their pores like A.J. Green and Julio Jones...complete package types (which Wallace will never be...guys like that just seem to be a whole other species sometimes). There are a few on that list I wouldn't put ahead of Wallace right now strictly because of age (Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith, for instance, are still performing right now, but they're on the back nine and headed for Hines Wardville in a few seasons...also, Andre Johnson is a beast and Wes Welker is a pass-catching machine, but how many more elite-level years do they have in the tank?...that's up for debate). Interesting conversation, though.
There are others on terrible teams with piss poor QB's as well.

BradshawsHairdresser
12-17-2012, 08:30 PM
One question I have is are most of our players mentally handicapped or do our position coaches suck? Have Brown, Wallace, Sanders, Mendenhall gotten better at anything over the past 3 years? Mendenhall still carries the rock a foot from his body. Our WR still run terrible routes and haven't seemed to have improved with catching with their hands or holding onto the ball. I almost spit a drink out when I saw Wallace catch that ball with his hands even though his body control sucks and he was out of bounds and it looks like Brown needs sneezed on to fumble....

And how about our defensive players that don't seem to know how to wrap up on a tackle?

Mister Pittsburgh
12-17-2012, 08:37 PM
And how about our defensive players that don't seem to know how to wrap up on a tackle?
No kidding. WTF was that with Troy where he purposefully did almost a flip over the ball carrier? Fundamentals seem poor all around on this team.

flippy
12-17-2012, 08:46 PM
Burnell Michael Wallace III


Now we're talking. I got a whole new set of nicknames besides Wally.

Burn Wally Burn (aka Run Forrest Run)

BW3 - get Wally a side job as the spokesperson for Buffalo Wild Wings so we can pay him less on it

Nelly

Burnelly

BuM Wallace

Burnie

Burn Waldo

Burnie Mike

BMike

Whatever we call him, he needs his hawk back. He lost his power like Samson without his hair.

flippy
12-17-2012, 08:54 PM
To be fair, Flippy is nuttier than a Snickers.

My mom told me I have the IQ of a Carnie, so the funhouse makes a lot of sense right now. And boy do I like Snickers.

pittpete
12-17-2012, 09:27 PM
BA=Bad Attitude?

AngryAsian
12-18-2012, 02:13 AM
Every now & then we get an insight into the inner workings of Ruthless' mind.

:)

This thought terrifies me.:p

Oviedo
12-18-2012, 08:54 AM
Here's your baker's dozen (the top 13 wideouts with the most receiving yards this season):

1 Calvin Johnson DET WR 106 1,667 15.7 119.1 53 5 32 4 79 74.5 2
2 Brandon Marshall CHI WR 107 1,398 13.1 99.9 56 10 17 2 70 65.4 2
3 Andre Johnson HOU WR 93 1,360 14.6 97.1 60T 4 20 5 68 73.1 0
4 Reggie Wayne IND WR 97 1,234 12.7 88.1 30T 4 21 0 65 67.0 1
5 Vincent Jackson TB WR 62 1,226 19.8 87.6 95 8 22 5 54 87.1 0
6 Demaryius Thomas DEN WR 78 1,210 15.5 86.4 71T 8 23 5 50 64.1 3
7 A.J. Green CIN WR 85 1,208 14.2 86.3 73T 11 14 7 56 65.9 1
8 Wes Welker NE WR 100 1,172 11.7 83.7 59 4 10 2 60 60.0 2
9 Roddy White ATL WR 79 1,156 14.6 82.6 59 5 16 3 64 81.0 1
10 Dez Bryant DAL WR 79 1,087 13.8 77.6 85T 10 14 3 44 55.7 2
11 Julio Jones ATL WR 69 1,071 15.5 76.5 80T 9 16 5 49 71.0 0
12 Steve Smith CAR WR 66 1,056 16.0 75.4 66 3 14 3 47 71.2 0
13 Victor Cruz NYG WR 79 1,019 12.9 72.8 80T 9 11 3 49 62.0 0

Calvin is from another planet, and there some up-and-comers there who have talent oozing from their pores like A.J. Green and Julio Jones...complete package types (which Wallace will never be...guys like that just seem to be a whole other species sometimes). There are a few on that list I wouldn't put ahead of Wallace right now strictly because of age (Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith, for instance, are still performing right now, but they're on the back nine and headed for Hines Wardville in a few seasons...also, Andre Johnson is a beast and Wes Welker is a pass-catching machine, but how many more elite-level years do they have in the tank?...that's up for debate). Interesting conversation, though.

Great list that shatters the myth of Wallace's greatness. Except for the age of a couple I would take every WR on this list over Wallace.

steelfin
12-18-2012, 09:49 AM
It would be interesting to see how much money all those receivers make....That would help gauge the monetary value of Wally....

I will be a sad day in the off season when we lose our best receiver....

Chadman
12-18-2012, 09:55 AM
Great list that shatters the myth of Wallace's greatness. Except for the age of a couple I would take every WR on this list over Wallace.

In 2010, Mike Wallace was the 5th placed WR on NFL rankings. In 2011, Mike Wallace was 9th.

That's 2 Top 10 years in a row. He's 20th this year, in what is widely regarded a 'down year'in which he 'isn't trying'.

Now, if anyone could just point out the years in there where our #1 WR, Antonio Brown, was ranked higher- that'd be appreciated.

To base Wallace's next contract on just this 1 year's production is stupid & short sighted. Let's face it- giving any player a generous contract extension based on 1 year's production is a masive gamble that has no guarentee of working out.

Right, Antonio Brown?

flippy
12-18-2012, 10:01 AM
It would be interesting to see how much money all those receivers make....That would help gauge the monetary value of Wally....

I will be a sad day in the off season when we lose our best receiver....

Burny's production is right inline with Michael Crabtree, Randall Cobb, Torrey Smith, Mike Williams, TY Hilton, Nate Washington.

steelfin
12-18-2012, 10:06 AM
Burny's production is right inline with Michael Crabtree, Randall Cobb, Torrey Smith, Mike Williams, TY Hilton, Nate Washington.

Based on this year only....his entire body of work puts him much higher on the chart....

The sad part is that we don't have another receiver better than him this year....

flippy
12-18-2012, 10:22 AM
Based on this year only....his entire body of work puts him much higher on the chart....

The sad part is that we don't have another receiver better than him this year....

You could also argue the opposite that he's lacked concentration/focus in a contract year. How committed is he to football? Perhaps he belongs even lower now that we know a little more about him.

steelfin
12-18-2012, 10:50 AM
You could also argue the opposite that he's lacked concentration/focus in a contract year. How committed is he to football? Perhaps he belongs even lower now that we know a little more about him.

You could argue that the majority of the team has lost concentration/focus through out parts of the year....

People are fine with resigning Mendy....talk about loss of focus....

steelz09
12-18-2012, 12:26 PM
I'm not the Mike Wallace "hater" like some are. I would like to keep Wallace at a reasonable dollar amount. I would not pay him 10-12 mil / year...

I see a guy that shows:

1) Elite Speed when motivated - Isn't he supposed to be one of the fastests guys in the NFL? Seems odd the CB from Dallas torched him on Ben's INT. Just sayin?!?!
2) Average hands
3) Non-Agressive
4) Lacks concentratoin - By his own admission
5) A deep threat
6) Has trouble adjusting to the ball
7) Not a one-trick poney but close

He brings one very important aspect to this team. The ability to take the top off the coverage. I don't know what that's work in $$ amount but I don't think it's worth 10/million a year.

squidkid
12-18-2012, 04:30 PM
In the minds of fans, perhaps. But is there unresolveable bitterness between Wallace and Tomlin? Wallace and Colbert? Wallace and Rooney? Wallace and Haley? Wallace and Ben?

As our brother from Toronto pointed out, Hines' holdout was completely forgiven and forgotten my most fans, who came to truly love the guy (well, except for Crash, but that's another story), and Hines' holdout was a much more egregious offense (since he refused to show up in spite of having a contract that he signed, while Wallace had no such signed contract in place).

Speaking of Mike Wallace, I just found out for the first time that Michael is actually his middle name. His actually given name is Burnell Wallace III.

:wft

Now tell me...if your name was Burnell Michael Wallace III, and you had his elite level speed, would you use the same name as the old man from 60 Minutes, or would you call yourself Burn Wallace?

In order to truly turn over a leaf with fans, dude needs to come back with a fresh start...a name change (only he would be changing his name back to his actual real name, not some stupid made up crap like Ochocinco or Metta World Peace or Bison Dele or whatever). The stipulation for bringing him back would be to sign on the dotted line as Burn Wallace, not Mike Wallace. Steeler fans hate Mike Wallace. Steeler fans can still grow to love all that Burn Wallace can bring.

Of course, since RG3 has blown up, he could always forget the Bugatti thing and just call himself BMW3 instead. After all, the 3-Series of Beemers is compact and fast. Perfect marketing campaign.

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-BMW-3series-6.jpg

that car should be darker;)

Oviedo
12-18-2012, 05:05 PM
I'm not the Mike Wallace "hater" like some are. I would like to keep Wallace at a reasonable dollar amount. I would not pay him 10-12 mil / year...

I see a guy that shows:

1) Elite Speed when motivated - Isn't he supposed to be one of the fastests guys in the NFL? Seems odd the CB from Dallas torched him on Ben's INT. Just sayin?!?!
2) Average hands
3) Non-Agressive
4) Lacks concentratoin - By his own admission
5) A deep threat
6) Has trouble adjusting to the ball
7) Not a one-trick poney but close

He brings one very important aspect to this team. The ability to take the top off the coverage. I don't know what that's work in $$ amount but I don't think it's worth 10/million a year.

You have accurately captured the feelings of the vast majority of the fans who would like him to stay but not at a premium price he doesn't deserve. That isn't being a "hater" that is using your brain.

steelfin
12-18-2012, 05:08 PM
You have accurately captured the feelings of the vast majority of the fans who would like him to stay but not at a premium price he doesn't deserve. That isn't being a "hater" that is using your brain.

All those intangibles or lack there of and he is still the leading receiver on this team...

Lets just hope AB steps it up and becomes a #1....

We will need to draft another receiver if he leaves.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-18-2012, 05:13 PM
what is a premium price?

8 million per?

Steelerphile
12-18-2012, 06:08 PM
Wallace has stepped it up the last few games after the article came out and he admitted he was losing focus. I think he has been targeted more and his effort has gone up. Route running is something that can be improved if he wants to improve. He has to accept coaching and apply himself. He isn't that poor of a route runner. Right now this offense needs him to step up because the running game is falling apart. Dwyer seems to have hit his proverbial wall and Redman gets hurt all the time.

RuthlessBurgher
12-18-2012, 08:15 PM
that car should be darker;)

Here ya go...and it kinda has a mohawk like Wallace too.

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/61463894.jpg

Mister Pittsburgh
12-18-2012, 08:23 PM
Based on this year only....his entire body of work puts him much higher on the chart....

The sad part is that we don't have another receiver better than him this year....

If you start going beyond this year though then you have to throw the last 2 or three years from other WR's up and add players like Fitzgerald, Greg Jennings, Hakeem Nixon, Jordy Nelson, and others into the discussion...

RuthlessBurgher
12-18-2012, 09:28 PM
If you start going beyond this year though then you have to throw the last 2 or three years from other WR's up and add players like Fitzgerald, Greg Jennings, Hakeem Nixon, Jordy Nelson, and others into the discussion...

Hakeem Nicks is not a crook. ;)

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steelz09
12-18-2012, 10:14 PM
My problem with Wallace is that I look around the league and I see A LOT of receivers that I could get for the $$ amount he wants or less. And a lot of those receivers are better in my eyes. They pass the eye test. Now, a lot of people will bring up stats to prove that Wallace is superior. Also, people have a tendency to forget the fact that some WRs, although very talented, have crappy QBs. It's not just about stats. You need to look at all aspects of a players situation and his overall ability.

With Wallace, I see elite speed and not much of anything else above average.

Here's a question... where would Wallace be on the GB Packers depth chart?

Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb. Would Wallace even dress on Sundays?

Is Wallace the better deep threat than all of these players? Quite possibly.

A more interesting question... Is Wallace a better overall WR than ANY of these players? Maybe not.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-18-2012, 11:06 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/09/three-years-of-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/

Yards per route run is interesting. Wallace isn't in the top 15.

steelfin
12-18-2012, 11:57 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/09/three-years-of-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/

Yards per route run is interesting. Wallace isn't in the top 15.

So what are you saying? Do you want him gone next season? Is there a $ amount you would be willing to sign him for?

Would you pay him the $48 Million we are paying AB?

Where does AB rank on your list above?

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 12:33 AM
So what are you saying? Do you want him gone next season? Is there a $ amount you would be willing to sign him for?
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Would you pay him the $48 Million we are paying AB?

Where does AB rank on your list above?

Here's the thing...with Wallace I see a lot of Willie Parker. Guy can flat out burn, and he does get behind defenses. He seems to have big holes in his game. A lot of the time instead of catching the ball with his hands he catches it with his body. The top WR in the league are a bit more physical then Wallace. My biggest thing is like Parker, he is mostly a one trick Pony. That one trick is really great but I fear he will end up getting a leg injury like Parker, and once he loses that speed he would be a subpar WR. I think if he slowed down where he couldn't burn the opposition he would be right below A Nate Washington when he was here.

I guess I would like a little more of a taller physical WR that can go up against DB's and actually use their hands and out physical the DB's and come down with the ball.

I think Brown has a lot of really good tools but needs to mature and improve. I could see him being close to what a Holmes was when he was here.

If you are running a quick passing game a big bodied great handed WR can be more valuable to move the chains then a speedy small guy that isn't physical.

SS Laser
12-19-2012, 12:41 AM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/09/three-years-of-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/

Yards per route run is interesting. Wallace isn't in the top 15.

Here is another: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/28/2011-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/



#
Name
Team
Rec. Yards
Snaps in Route
YPRR


1
Victor Cruz
NYG
1536
499
3.08


2
Jordy Nelson
GB
1263
423
2.99


3
Antonio Brown
PIT
1108
427
2.59


4
Wes Welker
NE
1569
607
2.58


5
Malcom Floyd
SD
856
337
2.54


6
Percy Harvin
MIN
975
390
2.50


7
Calvin Johnson
DET
1685
692
2.43


8
Marques Colston
NO
1143
473
2.42


9
Brandon Marshall
MIA
1214
513
2.37


10
Steve L. Smith
CAR
1394
590
2.36


11
Dwayne Bowe
KC
1159
504
2.30


12
Johnny Knox
CHI
729
321
2.27


13
Darrius Heyward-Bey
OAK
975
431
2.26


14
Doug Baldwin
SEA
792
354
2.24


15
Larry Fitzgerald
ARZ
1411
632
2.23


16
Mike Wallace
PIT
1193
554
2.15


16
Laurent Robinson
DAL
858
399
2.15


18
Roddy White
ATL
1296
613
2.11


18
A.J. Green
CIN
1057
500
2.11


20
Julio Jones
ATL
959
456
2.10


20
Demaryius Thomas
DEN
551
263
2.10

flippy
12-19-2012, 07:32 AM
Here is another: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/28/2011-yards-per-route-run-wide-receivers/



#
Name
Team
Rec. Yards
Snaps in Route
YPRR


1
Victor Cruz
NYG
1536
499
3.08


2
Jordy Nelson
GB
1263
423
2.99


3
Antonio Brown
PIT
1108
427
2.59


4
Wes Welker
NE
1569
607
2.58


5
Malcom Floyd
SD
856
337
2.54


6
Percy Harvin
MIN
975
390
2.50


7
Calvin Johnson
DET
1685
692
2.43


8
Marques Colston
NO
1143
473
2.42


9
Brandon Marshall
MIA
1214
513
2.37


10
Steve L. Smith
CAR
1394
590
2.36


11
Dwayne Bowe
KC
1159
504
2.30


12
Johnny Knox
CHI
729
321
2.27


13
Darrius Heyward-Bey
OAK
975
431
2.26


14
Doug Baldwin
SEA
792
354
2.24


15
Larry Fitzgerald
ARZ
1411
632
2.23


16
Mike Wallace
PIT
1193
554
2.15


16
Laurent Robinson
DAL
858
399
2.15


18
Roddy White
ATL
1296
613
2.11


18
A.J. Green
CIN
1057
500
2.11


20
Julio Jones
ATL
959
456
2.10


20
Demaryius Thomas
DEN
551
263
2.10




Interesting - 2 Steelers in that list. That was BA's offense. They took big chances and worked with what they have. Now Haley is probably killing the WR stats with his offense. We're now focused on getting balance. The problem is we dont yet have the personnel to be balanced. And we might have to revert back to taking some chances if we want to do anything this year.

Give Ben the rope Haley.

BURGH86STEEL
12-19-2012, 09:08 AM
My problem with Wallace is that I look around the league and I see A LOT of receivers that I could get for the $$ amount he wants or less. And a lot of those receivers are better in my eyes. They pass the eye test. Now, a lot of people will bring up stats to prove that Wallace is superior. Also, people have a tendency to forget the fact that some WRs, although very talented, have crappy QBs. It's not just about stats. You need to look at all aspects of a players situation and his overall ability.

With Wallace, I see elite speed and not much of anything else above average.

Here's a question... where would Wallace be on the GB Packers depth chart?

Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb. Would Wallace even dress on Sundays?

Is Wallace the better deep threat than all of these players? Quite possibly.

A more interesting question... Is Wallace a better overall WR than ANY of these players? Maybe not.

Wallace would be a starter for the Packers and most teams around the league. Most teams don't have a WR that has the football speed that Wallace possesses. Whether fans want to admit it or not, Wallace is a difference maker with or without the football. He is a big play threat. Wallace isn't irreplaceable but the Steeler's offense will miss Wallace's big play ability if they can't resign him. The question is how will they replace Wallace's play ability and production?

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 10:47 AM
Wallace would be a starter for the Packers and most teams around the league. Most teams don't have a WR that has the football speed that Wallace possesses. Whether fans want to admit it or not, Wallace is a difference maker with or without the football. He is a big play threat. Wallace isn't irreplaceable but the Steeler's offense will miss Wallace's big play ability if they can't resign him. The question is how will they replace Wallace's play ability and production?
Same way they did when Plax left, Washington, left, Holmes left.....

flippy
12-19-2012, 10:49 AM
Wally seems to be taking a similar path to Chad Johnson. When Chad came into the league, he looked like he had a chance to be the best WR ever. I've heard Chad admit that he started making more money off the football field and lost focus on football. I'm not sure why Wally's losing focus, but he came on strong initially and looked like he had the promise to be one of the great ones.

Wally never had the length of success that Chad had. He also never has made any significant money on or off the field. But he has lost the focus and the passion for the game just like Chad did. Not sure what Wally's reason is. But he seems to have followed the Chad path at an accelerated rate.

BURGH86STEEL
12-19-2012, 10:51 AM
Same way they did when Plax left, Washington, left, Holmes left.....

Yep, they will have to find another WR. Eventually, that WR going to be a diva or command more money and the cycle begins again.

steelz09
12-19-2012, 10:58 AM
Wallace would be a starter for the Packers and most teams around the league. Most teams don't have a WR that has the football speed that Wallace possesses. Whether fans want to admit it or not, Wallace is a difference maker with or without the football. He is a big play threat. Wallace isn't irreplaceable but the Steeler's offense will miss Wallace's big play ability if they can't resign him. The question is how will they replace Wallace's play ability and production?

I'm not so sure he would start for the Packers.

We both agree that he has the football speed that most teams don't possess.

I just can't objectively say that Mike Wallace is a better overall WR than Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson and Greg Jennings. Faster? Yes. Better hands? No. Better route running? No. Better at short/intermediate routes? No.

Are you saying that you would start a faster player with average at best overall WR skills over a better overall WR with less speed? It's an interesting question.

Chadman
12-19-2012, 10:59 AM
Just going to point out that, as we have all realised, the Steelers are noy going deep this season.

As a result, Wallace is no longer 'taking the top off the defence' as the field is compressed due to the Steelers dink & dunk offence.

Now, without Wallace 'taking the top off the defence'..... how have our other WR's performed this season compared to when Wallace was being used down field?

Nobody wants to say it- but Brown has laid an egg after getting his contract. He's being outperformed by the no-effort, crap #2 WR we all want paid $2 & a bag of fish & chips for his weekly efforts.

Slapstick
12-19-2012, 11:13 AM
Just going to point out that, as we have all realised, the Steelers are noy going deep this season.

As a result, Wallace is no longer 'taking the top off the defence' as the field is compressed due to the Steelers dink & dunk offence.

Now, without Wallace 'taking the top off the defence'..... how have our other WR's performed this season compared to when Wallace was being used down field?

Nobody wants to say it- but Brown has laid an egg after getting his contract. He's being outperformed by the no-effort, crap #2 WR we all want paid $2 & a bag of fish & chips for his weekly efforts.

Brown has had a couple of bad games after coming off an injury...

A perfectly healthy Mike Wallace has been less than impressive...

BURGH86STEEL
12-19-2012, 11:22 AM
I'm not so sure he would start for the Packers.

We both agree that he has the football speed that most teams don't possess.

I just can't objectively say that Mike Wallace is a better overall WR than Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson and Greg Jennings. Faster? Yes. Better hands? No. Better route running? No. Better at short/intermediate routes? No.

Are you saying that you would start a faster player with average at best overall WR skills over a better overall WR with less speed? It's an interesting question.

A lot of WR's have skills, including Wallace. Most WR's don't possess Wallace's blazing speed. For some reason, people are reluctant to give Wallace credit for his overall skills, hands, and ability to run short and intermediate routes. I've witness Wallace make plays running short, intermediate, and deep pass plays. It seems people want to penalize Wallace because his bread and butter is the ability to get open deep. Wallace's hands were among the best WR's in the league up until this season. He's gotten better at running routes. Like most WR's, Wallace sets up routes because of his speed. If Wallace played with a QB like Rodgers his production would probably be even better.

Chadman
12-19-2012, 11:26 AM
Brown has had a couple of bad games after coming off an injury...

A perfectly healthy Mike Wallace has been less than impressive...

And yet, a 'less than impressive' Wallace has outperformed our #1 WR.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 11:37 AM
If Dwyer or Mendenhall is OUR #1 RB...does that mean we should have to come remotely close to paying them as much as a #1 RB league wide?

I understand the frustration and constant comparison to Brown. Brown isn't a #1. But I do think Brown can be a Holmes type WR with some work...better route running, ball control....

flippy
12-19-2012, 11:38 AM
I'm not so sure he would start for the Packers.

We both agree that he has the football speed that most teams don't possess.

I just can't objectively say that Mike Wallace is a better overall WR than Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson and Greg Jennings. Faster? Yes. Better hands? No. Better route running? No. Better at short/intermediate routes? No.

Are you saying that you would start a faster player with average at best overall WR skills over a better overall WR with less speed? It's an interesting question.

You could argue similarly about other teams too. Could Wally start for Dallas, SD, NO, Atlanta, Seattle, etc?

I think Tomlin should send a message and start Cotchery and Plax.

Slapstick
12-19-2012, 11:38 AM
And yet, a 'less than impressive' Wallace has outperformed our #1 WR.

Wallace is our #1 WR...you just can't tell because he hasn't played like one...

BURGH86STEEL
12-19-2012, 11:39 AM
Brown has had a couple of bad games after coming off an injury...

A perfectly healthy Mike Wallace has been less than impressive...
How soon fans forget? Brown had a couple of bad games, dropped several passes, and only had one TD catch before he was injured.

Wallace isn't having a good season catching the ball and in ypc compared to his past seasons. He's still done pretty well with 823 yards and 8td's. Let's not forget that he missed all of training camp. Considering the contracts of both players Brown is the one who is under performing.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 11:43 AM
How soon fans forget? Brown had a couple of bad games, dropped several passes, and only had one TD pass before he was injured.

Wallace isn't having a good season compared to his past seasons. He's still done pretty well with 823 yards and 8td's. Let's not forget that he missed all of training camp. Considering the contracts of both players Brown is the one who is under performing.

But Brown committed to the team long term and Wallace can't wait to get out of town. That earns Brown a whole bunch of "Good feelings and respect." I'm a huge Brown fan and yes he has struggled at times this season, maybe that is trying too hard because of the contract but he also is asked to make a whole bunch of really hard catches that the other WRs aren't.

We can all have our favorites, but the reality is Brown is here for the long haul and Wallace can't wait to pack the U-Haul.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 11:47 AM
brown has under performed this season, not sure how that can be argued.

I'm not too sure that he is being asked to make really hard catches the other WRs aren't asked too. That seems pretty subjective.

I'm not worried about brown as I believe he will get it turned around. I am worried about what this offense will look like without wallaces production next year.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 11:56 AM
brown has under performed this season, not sure how that can be argued.

I'm not too sure that he is being asked to make really hard catches the other WRs aren't asked too. That seems pretty subjective.

I'm not worried about brown as I believe he will get it turned around. I am worried about what this offense will look like without wallaces production next year.

They definitely need to replace the element Wallace brings but I think they feel they can do that for less than $10M per season. WR is not a hard position to restock at. Just look at how we have done it with 3rd round or later picks.

Slapstick
12-19-2012, 11:57 AM
Antonio Brown has produced 60.7 YpG this season...he has 9 catches of over 20 yards and converted 38 1st downs...

Mike Wallace has produced 58.8 YpG this season...he also has 9 catches of over 20 yards and converted 32 1st downs...

There is no question that their roles are different...Wallace runs more deep routes and Brown is asked to work underneath and move the chains...but, it isn't like Wallace is having this epic season compared to Brown...

BURGH86STEEL
12-19-2012, 11:57 AM
But Brown committed to the team long term and Wallace can't wait to get out of town. That earns Brown a whole bunch of "Good feelings and respect." I'm a huge Brown fan and yes he has struggled at times this season, maybe that is trying too hard because of the contract but he also is asked to make a whole bunch of really hard catches that the other WRs aren't.

We can all have our favorites, but the reality is Brown is here for the long haul and Wallace can't wait to pack the U-Haul.

This post goes to show people's sentiments towards Wallace because Brown's perceived committed to the team. Brown committed to himself first to the tune of 8+ million dollars. Like Wallace, Brown dropped plenty of catch-able balls.

I believe Brown's contract is only a 3 year contract. The team can cut Brown sooner rather then later based on the bonus money they gave him. I believe Wallace wanted more of a commitment from the team in upfront dollars so he could be around for the long haul. Wallace will probably receive larger up front money in free agency then the Steelers were willing to offer. I know that I couldn't wait to pack the U-Haul if I knew I were going to hit the lottery in free agency.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 12:03 PM
This post goes to show people's sentiments towards Wallace because Brown's perceived committed to the team. Brown committed to himself first to the tune of 8+ million dollars. Like Wallace, Brown dropped plenty of catch-able balls.

I believe Brown's contract is only a 3 year contract. The team can cut Brown sooner rather then later based on the bonus money they gave him. I believe Wallace wanted more of a commitment from the team in upfront dollars so he could be around for the long haul. Wallace will probably receive larger up front money in free agency then the Steelers were willing to offer. I know that I couldn't wait to pack the U-Haul if I knew I were going to hit the lottery in free agency.


Still hope they can keep both but just don't see that happening.

steelz09
12-19-2012, 12:06 PM
You could argue similarly about other teams too. Could Wally start for Dallas, SD, NO, Atlanta, Seattle, etc?

I think Tomlin should send a message and start Cotchery and Plax.

Good point. Wallace would be a #3 in Atlanta.

Dallas is another good example. He wouldn't be the #1, that's for sure.

NO is another good example. I don't know if he would be more than a #3, behind Colston and Moore.

The bottom line is that Wallace is asking for elite WR money. I don't think he's elite and neither does any NFL team.

BURGH86STEEL
12-19-2012, 12:07 PM
Still hope they can keep both but just don't see that happening.

I agree. Wallace probably wants 20+ million in guaranteed money. I don't think the Steelers want to guarantee that kind of money to a WR.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 12:10 PM
Good point. Wallace would be a #3 in Atlanta.

Dallas is another good example. He wouldn't be the #1, that's for sure.

NO is another good example. I don't know if he would be more than a #3, behind Colston and Moore.

That may be our best hope for retaining Wallace. Good teams already have good #1 receivers. Wallace is most going to be in demand by teams that don't have a good #1 WR which for the most part are bad teams. Maybe that convinces him to stay, but probably not.

The one exception that would scare me to death is New England. They don't have a true #1 receiver and Wallace would be a major coup for them.

steelz09
12-19-2012, 12:19 PM
That may be our best hope for retaining Wallace. Good teams already have good #1 receivers. Wallace is most going to be in demand by teams that don't have a good #1 WR which for the most part are bad teams. Maybe that convinces him to stay, but probably not.

The one exception that would scare me to death is New England. They don't have a true #1 receiver and Wallace would be a major coup for them.
In addition to the above

Arizona - He's be a #2
Chicago - #2
Giants - Hard to tell but I think Nicks and Cruz are better overall WRs
Eagles - #3
NO - #3
Texans - #2
Lions - #2
Falcons - #3 at best
Bengals - Likely the #2
Dallas - #2 or #3
49ers - Probably #2 (maybe)

I could keep going but I won't.

I could see the Browns, Carolina and Miami be a likely target. I'm sure there are a few others as well.

flippy
12-19-2012, 02:05 PM
That may be our best hope for retaining Wallace. Good teams already have good #1 receivers. Wallace is most going to be in demand by teams that don't have a good #1 WR which for the most part are bad teams. Maybe that convinces him to stay, but probably not.

The one exception that would scare me to death is New England. They don't have a true #1 receiver and Wallace would be a major coup for them.

But we've already seen if a WR doesn't run good routes, Brady ignores him. See Chad Johnson from last year. NE would be better served spending money on D than getting another O weapon they are getting along fine without.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 02:11 PM
Antonio Brown has produced 60.7 YpG this season...he has 9 catches of over 20 yards and converted 38 1st downs...

Mike Wallace has produced 58.8 YpG this season...he also has 9 catches of over 20 yards and converted 32 1st downs...

There is no question that their roles are different...Wallace runs more deep routes and Brown is asked to work underneath and move the chains...but, it isn't like Wallace is having this epic season compared to Brown...

Good post. Good info...

Mister Pittsburgh
12-19-2012, 02:12 PM
In addition to the above

Arizona - He's be a #2
Chicago - #2
Giants - Hard to tell but I think Nicks and Cruz are better overall WRs
Eagles - #3
NO - #3
Texans - #2
Lions - #2
Falcons - #3 at best
Bengals - Likely the #2
Dallas - #2 or #3
49ers - Probably #2 (maybe)

I could keep going but I won't.

I could see the Browns, Carolina and Miami be a likely target. I'm sure there are a few others as well.

I could see the Ravens having some interest.

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 03:17 PM
I could see the Ravens having some interest.

Tampa also has a ton of money but they already have Jackson as their #1, I think the Ravens view Torrey Smith as as good as Wallace and they won't spend $10M for Wallace because their defense is falling apart.

Seattle is also a good option because they feel they now have their QB and need a #1 WR.

I'm telling you, watch New England.

Slapstick
12-19-2012, 03:41 PM
Tampa also has a ton of money but they already have Jackson as their #1, I think the Ravens view Torrey Smith as as good as Wallace and they won't spend $10M for Wallace because their defense is falling apart.

Seattle is also a good option because they feel they now have their QB and need a #1 WR.

I'm telling you, watch New England.

New England wouldn't even cough up money to keep Welker for the long term...

Oviedo
12-19-2012, 04:01 PM
New England wouldn't even cough up money to keep Welker for the long term...

Age is the factor with Welker. Not a factor with Wallace.

RuthlessBurgher
12-19-2012, 05:14 PM
In addition to the above

Arizona - He's be a #2
Chicago - #2
Giants - Hard to tell but I think Nicks and Cruz are better overall WRs
Eagles - #3
NO - #3
Texans - #2
Lions - #2
Falcons - #3 at best
Bengals - Likely the #2
Dallas - #2 or #3
49ers - Probably #2 (maybe)

I could keep going but I won't.

I could see the Browns, Carolina and Miami be a likely target. I'm sure there are a few others as well.

So basically, what you are saying, is that if he went to a team with a stud WR, he'd be starting opposite that stud WR.

In Arizona, he would start opposite Fitz.
In Chicago, he would start opposite Marshall.
In Houston, he would start opposite Andre.
In Detroit, he would start opposite Calvin.
In Cincy, he would start opposite Green.
In Dallas, he would start opposite Dez.

Not much of a surprise there at all.

Atlanta has 2 bona fide studs in Julio and Roddy. I'll give you that one.
The Giants' Nicks and Cruz I have on the same tier as Wallace...neither is clearly better or clearly worse in my mind...it's a matter of personal preference here, I would say.
In New Orleans, I'd also put Colston on that same tier with Wallace and the Giants wideouts, but Lance Moore is only a slot guy (been in the league for 8 years and his next thousand yard receiving season will be his first, in spite of working with a QB who has multiple 5000 yard passing season).

Mike Wallace is better than anything Philly or San Fran has at wideout. Jackson? Maclin? Crabtree? Please.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 05:30 PM
yeah, saying he is #3 in philly really hurts your credibility.

flippy
12-19-2012, 05:43 PM
Mike Wallace is better than anything Philly or San Fran has at wideout. Jackson? Maclin? Crabtree? Please.

Crabtree's numbers are almost identical to Wally's this year.

Chadman
12-19-2012, 05:55 PM
If we are placing bets- put Chadman down for the 49ers. That young QB they have will be a knock-out player, and if they give him a decent deep threat- that franchise turns into a powerhouse once more.

Funny how we all base our opinions on Wallace's 'worth' on this supposed "Top 10" money- a claim that Wallace has refuted, and has never been given any substance outside of a couple of 'reports'. A few people have their nose out of joint because they are convinced he's not "Top 10" WR worthy. Fair enough. But that doesn't make him a worse WR, less valuable, than a Lance Moore. That's letting the anti-Wallace bias shine through.

Wallace is the best WR in Pittsburgh. He is a more valuable WR than Antonio Brown. He should be paid more than Brown, and he will be. Just not in Pittsburgh. By signing Brown to the contract they did, the Steelers effectively shut the door on negotiations with Wallace. Brown is a good player- but they have 2 other guys on the roster that play a similar role to Brown in Sanders & Cotchery. If they couldn't sign Brown, either of those 2 could have stepped up & filled that role.

There is no other "Mike Wallace" on this roster. Losing him means replacing him from outside the organisation. The team will be weaker for losing him. With holes appearing at Safety, ILB, OLB, NT, RB & along the OL- can the Steelers really afford to invest a high pick in a WR?

Chadman's problem with the whole Wallace thing is that the Steelers had one of the most, if not THE most, promising stable of WR's in the NFL- and they had a chemistry with Ben, which elevated them to being the top unit on the roster to lean on at gametime. None of the 3 "Young Money" crew were complete WR's. Yet, combined, they were as dangerous as you could get. Whatever monetary 'value' you place on it- these guys were worth the investment. Is Wallace 'elite'? Who knows? He's an elite threat- not many teams have as dangerous a player on their roster. And Ben likes throwing to him.

They lost Ward, Farrior & Smith last year. Hampton will go this year. Mendy too, probably. The Steelers were an elite group a couple of years ago- but they are losing key components of the squad. But most of the components they are losing were old, and declining. Losing Wallace hurts because you are losing an improving, key component.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-19-2012, 06:00 PM
spot on chadman.

I've resigned myself to losing wallace. The dollars just don't add up.

steelz09
12-19-2012, 07:23 PM
So basically, what you are saying, is that if he went to a team with a stud WR, he'd be starting opposite that stud WR.

In Arizona, he would start opposite Fitz.
In Chicago, he would start opposite Marshall.
In Houston, he would start opposite Andre.
In Detroit, he would start opposite Calvin.
In Cincy, he would start opposite Green.
In Dallas, he would start opposite Dez.

Not much of a surprise there at all.

Atlanta has 2 bona fide studs in Julio and Roddy. I'll give you that one.
The Giants' Nicks and Cruz I have on the same tier as Wallace...neither is clearly better or clearly worse in my mind...it's a matter of personal preference here, I would say.
In New Orleans, I'd also put Colston on that same tier with Wallace and the Giants wideouts, but Lance Moore is only a slot guy (been in the league for 8 years and his next thousand yard receiving season will be his first, in spite of working with a QB who has multiple 5000 yard passing season).

Mike Wallace is better than anything Philly or San Fran has at wideout. Jackson? Maclin? Crabtree? Please.

No, that's not my point. My point is that there are A LOT of better or equally as talented WRs as Wallace. As Steelers fans, we have a tendency to think our players are the best because we can't look at things objectively. The point is that on many of the teams I listed, he wouldn't be a #1. On a shorter list, he might not be #2 WR either. The word "elite" and Mike Wallace shouldn't even be allowed in the same sentence (oops, I broke my own rule). A team would give up a #1 draft pick to gain an "elite" player. No team was willing to do that for Mike Wallace. That's should've been the writing on the wall in regards to where the rest of the league stood on my Mike Wallace's "elite status".

The teams that already have a stud WR likely won't or can't sign Wallace for elite money because they can't afford to. The others simply won't be dumb enough to do so. Those teams have other areas where the money would be better spent. Atlanta will likely face that harsh reality very shortly when Julio Jones will want huge money.

I would put Cruz, Nicks, Maclin, Jackson and likely Crabtree slightly above Wallace but on the same "tier". All are more dynamic and above one-trick poney status.

In NO, Moore has been stuck behind Henderson for the majority of his career. I've watched a lot of NO games this year and Moore is no slouch.

As far as Colston goes... I would take Colston all day, every day over Mike Wallace and the Giants WRs and it wouldn't be close.

NorthCoast
12-19-2012, 08:41 PM
The best WR in the NFL catches better than 3 out of 4 passes thrown to him (R. Cobb). The best Steeler WR catches less than 2 out of 3 passes (and I will give you a hint, his initials are not MW).

and lest you think it is because of short dump passes, think again. the difference between the two is less than 2 yds/catch.