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Starlifter
12-10-2012, 09:45 PM
to be honest, I never understood why some have it out for Ike. I've always thought he is one of the best cover guys in the league and if it wasn't for his hands of stone he'd be a perennial pro-bowler every year. game in and game out he mans up against the other teams best guy. yeah, sometimes he gets beat - pretty spectacularly too, but is there a more lonely position on the field than a CB in one on one coverage? Most times other teams don't even go his way and you don't hear his name often throughout the game. How many times yesterday did we hear 'brown on the coverage'? maybe the mark of an elite CB is the fact the other teams avoid him as much as possible?

He's been durable, seems to be a good team guy, hasn't grumbled about money

and is clearly noticeable when he's gone.


can we give some props to #24???

feltdizz
12-10-2012, 09:52 PM
no... we lost to bad teams with Ike... please stop acting like Ike can cover 4 guys every play.

fezziwig
12-10-2012, 10:48 PM
I always thought Ike was decent to very good. Yes he's good but when he's bad..........ugh. Ike's job or any corners job could be a lot easier if they would just intercept the ball more often. I'm not saying he has to be the next Deon Sanders but, how about catching the ones that land right in your hands Ike.

He'll never be Gods gift to football but, I missed him this Sunday but then again, I'm not sure what Ike would have shown up anyway.

NorthCoast
12-10-2012, 10:58 PM
I think many take Ike's play for granted. How often do the Steelers worry about the other team's #1 WR when Ike is playing. We barely discuss it cause more often than not, Ike is up to the task. Plus this is the first significant injury since he has started.
Ike is the Aaron Smith of the secondary. His name is not called alot, but his presence is definitely felt.

SidSmythe
12-10-2012, 11:22 PM
IKE has had some struggles but we aren't going anywhere w/out him.

phillyesq
12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
Ike is probably the best corner the Steelers have had since Rod Woodson. He occasionally gets into a funk, but he is generally solid and does good work going against the opponent's #1 on a weekly basis.

skyhawk
12-11-2012, 03:23 AM
Ike is probably the best corner the Steelers have had since Rod Woodson. He occasionally gets into a funk, but he is generally solid and does good work going against the opponent's #1 on a weekly basis.

This.

They so missed Ike against the Chargers. But even worse, #28 and #31 flat out sucked on Sunday.

flippy
12-11-2012, 11:03 AM
We all give Ike props for being a great athlete and a tackler. But he's almost as bad a Wally when the ball's in the air. If I played against the Steelers, I'd go after Ike all day. Odds are, he won't ever intercept the ball and he'll have his hands on the WR and you might get some PI calls on him.

It's amazing to me teams haven't figured this out. He's usually in good position and physical, but he's never gonna be a threat to create a turnover. So why not go after him.

See Ten game for Ike at his worst. Or when he wasn't able to cover Javon Walker several years back. Teams don't attack Ike, but when they do, they sometimes have success.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
12-11-2012, 11:50 AM
I'm with you 100% on this Star.

Ike plays the toughest position in the game. At no position are you torched so badly for not doing your job on a play. A bad play against a corner results in an easy 6, where everyone can see you trailing the play hopelessly, and it appears on every highlight show that week.

Add that to the fact that Ike mans up against the #1 guy on the other side at least 50% of his plays. He faces the 1,500 yard receivers and often holds them well below their season average. Then next week he faces another, then another. On top of that, he is probably one of the top run support CBs in the league. He does that week in and week out.....but then he gives up a long completion and he sucks. :rolleyes::HeadBanger

feltdizz
12-11-2012, 12:09 PM
Ike doesn't suck... but you guys act like Ike plays covers 3 guys every play. We lose with Ike... Ike wasn't the difference. We stunk it up and Rivers took advantage of the flats that are open all the damn time when Lebeau doesn't adjust the D.

fezziwig
12-11-2012, 05:07 PM
With my above statement I should have said, I'm still glad we have Ike.

lloydroid
12-11-2012, 05:46 PM
The fact that our #1 CB can't pick off a pass to save his life hurts this team; he is not the worst but if you look at the other teams #1 CB, they tend to pick off at least a few freaking balls. The Steelers have a whopping 7 picks all year. Only one team in the entire NFL has less, with 6. The Bears have 21. 12 teams have double or more picks than do the Steelers. If they were even average at picking it off, we'd have at least 2 more wins, at least. The fact that our very best CB has bricks for hands isn't helping things.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-11-2012, 07:51 PM
Ike is one of the best in the NFL in man. In zone he kinda sucks. And I'm curious whose call it is when CB's give a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 2 or 3. The CB's call or DL's?

Starlifter
12-11-2012, 07:57 PM
I don't think anyone is suggesting Ike is superhuman and can cover 3 at a time - but to those who think he's either average or flat out sucks, I simply disagree. I think he has been a very solid CB for us for several years. I think we're a better team with him on the field.

doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

skyhawk
12-11-2012, 08:06 PM
Ike is one of the best in the NFL in man. In zone he kinda sucks. And I'm curious whose call it is when CB's give a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 2 or 3. The CB's call or DL's?

LeBeau. It's his claim to fame. "The LeBeau cushion"

Dee Dub
12-11-2012, 08:50 PM
Who was it that was getting torched earlier this season? Who was grabbing and clutching like every other play because he was getting beat with regularity? Who was it that was covering Demaryius Thomas the last game of 2011?

Oh yeah, Ike is real good.

Why you guys accept mediocrity is beyond me. Cracks me up how emotionally attached some get to the point they just can't see the forest through the trees.

lloydroid
12-11-2012, 08:58 PM
Who was it that was getting torched earlier this season? Who was grabbing and clutching like every other play because he was getting beat with regularity? Who was it that was covering Demaryius Thomas the last game of 2011?

Oh yeah, Ike is real good.

Why you guys accept mediocrity is beyond me. Cracks me up how emotionally attached some get to the point they just can't see the forest through the trees.

Yup, some fans just can't view their team/players objectively. Just can't do it.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-11-2012, 09:16 PM
Yup, some fans just can't view their team/players objectively. Just can't do it.
He has had some real bad games, but that might be 2 or 3 a season....probably as many as Ben has per season. Is Ben mediocre?

Dee Dub
12-11-2012, 10:35 PM
He has had some real bad games, but that might be 2 or 3 a season....probably as many as Ben has per season. Is Ben mediocre?

That is not a good comparison. Ben makes big plays. Ben makes splash plays. Ike does neither. Ben is responsible for putting up the majority of the points the Steelers score. Ike never puts up points on the board.

NorthCoast
12-11-2012, 11:09 PM
Who was it that was getting torched earlier this season? Who was grabbing and clutching like every other play because he was getting beat with regularity? Who was it that was covering Demaryius Thomas the last game of 2011?

Oh yeah, Ike is real good.

Why you guys accept mediocrity is beyond me. Cracks me up how emotionally attached some get to the point they just can't see the forest through the trees.

So based on his play of a few games earlier this season, the other 130 games of his career don't count? Plain silly. All athletes go through slumps. Ike's rookie season he was ranked #2 in the NFL for passes defensed. Several seasons he was in the top 10 CBs for passes defensed. Most of his career he has been in the top quartile or better. That is not the definition of 'mediocrity' in my book.

Ike isn't an interception machine but he defends the other team's best player exceptionally well. D. Thomas might be the only WR I can think of that has given him fits whenever he has played him.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-11-2012, 11:14 PM
That is not a good comparison. Ben makes big plays. Ben makes splash plays. Ike does neither. Ben is responsible for putting up the majority of the points the Steelers score. Ike never puts up points on the board.
Ike is typically locked up on the oppositions top WR so he prevents points from going on the board. I have seen Ike make top scorers become total non-factors.

fezziwig
12-12-2012, 08:20 AM
I remember when we would have donated our paychecks to get a corner like Ike on our team. Yes, he doesn't get the interceptions but he isn't the only one that isn't getting them either. Is it how the're coached, not coached but yes, he does have hands of stone when he does touch the ball. Lebeaus trying to keep his record up with the few elite when it comes to the interception record.

phillyesq
12-12-2012, 11:29 AM
Who was it that was getting torched earlier this season? Who was grabbing and clutching like every other play because he was getting beat with regularity? Who was it that was covering Demaryius Thomas the last game of 2011?

Oh yeah, Ike is real good.

Why you guys accept mediocrity is beyond me. Cracks me up how emotionally attached some get to the point they just can't see the forest through the trees.

Dub, I know that you are no fan of Ike, but would you rather see Ike-Lewis-Allen this week at Dallas or Lewis-Allen-Brown/Victorian? I don't think it's even close.

Especially if Bryant plays, not having Ike will hurt a lot IMO.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
12-12-2012, 11:32 AM
Who was it that was getting torched earlier this season? Who was grabbing and clutching like every other play because he was getting beat with regularity? Who was it that was covering Demaryius Thomas the last game of 2011?

Oh yeah, Ike is real good.

Why you guys accept mediocrity is beyond me. Cracks me up how emotionally attached some get to the point they just can't see the forest through the trees.

Take the number of games that he got torched. Then take the number of games in which he has made the top WR on the other team a non-factor. I'm not talking about neutralizing the Greg Littles of the world, I'm talking about the AJ Greens etc. His one great failing is his hands, but if he did have 5 picks a year, he would be up there with the very best and an annual pro bowl pick.

Dee Dub
12-12-2012, 01:43 PM
So based on his play of a few games earlier this season, the other 130 games of his career don't count? Plain silly. All athletes go through slumps. Ike's rookie season he was ranked #2 in the NFL for passes defensed. Several seasons he was in the top 10 CBs for passes defensed. Most of his career he has been in the top quartile or better. That is not the definition of 'mediocrity' in my book.

Ike isn't an interception machine but he defends the other team's best player exceptionally well. D. Thomas might be the only WR I can think of that has given him fits whenever he has played him.

Ike will be 33 next year. Why would we look at his first 130 games anymore? No one on this forum can say with a straight face that he hasn't been on the decline the past two years. To look at this any other way to me would be the silly thing to do.

Dee Dub
12-12-2012, 01:45 PM
Dub, I know that you are no fan of Ike, but would you rather see Ike-Lewis-Allen this week at Dallas or Lewis-Allen-Brown/Victorian? I don't think it's even close.

Especially if Bryant plays, not having Ike will hurt a lot IMO.

I am not looking at it like that. I see 3 more Steelers games left. Maybe the last 3 games of the Steelers season. 3 games that Ike Taylor probably cant play in. So now it's off-season, what do you do about Ike? Realistically? It is time to make a change. Sorry.

Dee Dub
12-12-2012, 01:46 PM
Take the number of games that he got torched. Then take the number of games in which he has made the top WR on the other team a non-factor. I'm not talking about neutralizing the Greg Littles of the world, I'm talking about the AJ Greens etc. His one great failing is his hands, but if he did have 5 picks a year, he would be up there with the very best and an annual pro bowl pick.

Sorry, but this really hasnt been the case the past 2 years. This use to be Ike but it really isnt him anymore.