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feltdizz
12-09-2012, 05:28 PM
We keep losing to bad teams... what's the problem?

DukieBoy
12-09-2012, 05:33 PM
Great question for Tomlin to answer, to really answer.

Snatch98
12-09-2012, 05:35 PM
We keep losing to bad teams... what's the problem?

Can Tomlin go out there and play defense? The defense had been playing lights out football for most of the year. They couldn't get the chargers off the field today and that was the difference. It has nothing to do with Tomlin. He had a questionable 4th down call where I would have maybe punted if I were him but you can't fault the guy for trying. Wallace had the huge drop when we needed it the most and the offense didn't get rolling until it was far too late in the game. The fake punt was a huge kick to the balls and then the Ben int was the nail. Stop the fake and don't throw that INT and we maybe win this one. It's not on Tomlin.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 05:38 PM
I know a lot of to hate Tomlin, for one reason or another but it's hard to blame a coach who have had 12 win seasons in four straight years. Although it was a bad judgment today to go for it on 4th down. And with all the injuries this year I think he is doing a remarkable job.

Ghost
12-09-2012, 05:40 PM
4 out of 6 losses to teams with losing records. Raiders and Chargers absolutely HORRIBLE (with Titans and Browns marginally better). At some point the coaching staff has to take some responsibility for playing like total sh*t against the dregs of the league. May not go to the playoffs b/c they can't beat the worst teams in the league. Today was downright pathetic. An embarrassment.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-09-2012, 05:40 PM
remarkable job?

no way, and I like tomljn.

there is a lot to answer for after a performance like that.

Djfan
12-09-2012, 05:41 PM
There is a culture issue in the Steelers world. That's how this one fan sees it.

DukieBoy
12-09-2012, 05:42 PM
We are 0-4 vs the AFC west. Could have reasonably been 3-1 against those teams. It is a concerning pattern, losing to inferior teams.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 05:46 PM
OK name me one coach in this league that can one
1) lose their pro bowl qb 3 games
2)lose their all pro safety 7+
3) lose their Two all pro OLB's for most of the season
And the list goes on and be 7-6. Hell the Bengals haven't lost any one significant and we are above them in the playoffs standing.

Snatch98
12-09-2012, 05:47 PM
We are 0-4 vs the AFC west. Could have reasonably been 3-1 against those teams. It is a concerning pattern, losing to inferior teams.

Injuries and inconsistent play. Our defense wasn't playing well to start the season when we lost to the Raiders, just as our defense sh.it the bed today against the Chargers. I once again don't put this on Tomlin. I don't know what he could have done differently. He's not making the defensive calls. He could have punted on 4th down instead of going for it. What else could he have done. Do any of us really believe he's not doing all that he can to prepare the team week after week? He's a coach in the NFL, not an upstart Coaching in the WPIAL. We're banged up and let Rivers throw all over us. Plus the fake punt and then Ben's terribly timed INT. If they don't fake that punt and convert that's a pretty good amount of time back on the clock when our offense was getting some momentum and then the INT. If those two things don't happen we possibly win this game in ugly fashion and head to Dallas. It didn't fall in our favor but once again the Ravens and the Bengals lost.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 05:49 PM
What about the Giants last year SB winner, and i think our records are even.

feltdizz
12-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Not trying to hear about injuries... we lose Troy and Ben every year for a few games. The question is why do we keep losing to bad teams or struggle to beat bad teams.

lloydroid
12-09-2012, 05:53 PM
How can you not blame the head coach for losing to 4 bad teams. They were flat; you saw that from play 1. They came in unfocused and f-ing flat. Who's fault is that? The head man. He has some serious flaws. One of the worst losses in team history. No excuse for this one. None. Pathetic.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 05:54 PM
Not trying to hear about injuries... we lose Troy and Ben every year for a few games. The question is why do we keep losing to bad teams or struggle to beat bad teams.And you think that's easy losing your starting qb multiple games a season and still win 12? OK lmao

feltdizz
12-09-2012, 05:55 PM
When is the last time we beat a had team convincingly? I'm not blaming Tomlin for mistakes the players make but its obvious we don't have a killer instinct when playing bad teams. Some of this has to fall on the HC.

I blamed Cowher as well when we played down to sub par teams. You can't ignore the HC's. role in these losses.

squidkid
12-09-2012, 05:55 PM
What about the Giants last year SB winner, and i think our records are even.

i would bve happier if we had this record after winning the supoerbowl last year but we didnt. we got beat by an inferior team....again

Ghost
12-09-2012, 05:57 PM
Ben and Troy played today and this team looked totally unprepared to play, and worse, didn't have any heart. Today was disgsusting and an embarrassment for a team that is fighting for a playoff spot and has already lost multiple games to inferior opponents.

Just like a CEO has to bear the burden when the company starts to fail; Coach Tomlin (and the O and D offensive cordinators) need to own the failures of this team. Today was total failure from the top down. I'm sickened by what I saw.

DukieBoy
12-09-2012, 05:59 PM
I like Tomlin as our coach. I am concerned about this pattern of losing to inferior teams. We beat the better teams, even with all our injuries. This pattern is a problem I expect our head coach to address it better than it seems to be.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-09-2012, 06:06 PM
Young corner gets beat deep on a stop and go (like we need to run more of) and instantly Lebeau has them giving 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 3 from then on out. Special teams suck. Many other reasons for the suck today. Oh well, need to get over it and get ready for our trip to Dallas.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 06:18 PM
Young corner gets beat deep on a stop and go (like we need to run more of) and instantly Lebeau has them giving 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 3 from then on out. Special teams suck. Many other reasons for the suck today. Oh well, need to get over it and get ready for our trip to Dallas.Exactly..
But to also add the great Bellicheat lost to Arizona @ home and to an inferior Seattle team, why is no one questioning him. With a healthy Brady.

Chadman
12-09-2012, 06:19 PM
Big Tomlin supporter here, but yes, some responsibility needs to fall on his shoulders. The Steelers lose a lot of games they should be winning. They also win a lot of games they have no right to win.

It looks like an 'attitude' thing. Now, while a bit of this has to come from the coaches, it also comes from the senior players, who have had a good long career of beating these lower sides. Could it be that the older, more experienced players feel a certain amount of 'entitlement' that they should be beating these teams, and perhaps switch off a little more? Where were Hampton, Keisel, Harrison, Polamalu when the Defense needed a big stop? Not saying they are bad players, but they could have fallen into a culture of 'expectation'. If ever there were signs that this team needs an injection of young 'leaders', it's games like this.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 06:20 PM
Just like Phil Sims said at the start of the game, that after playing Baltimore the team are physically and mentally beat up.

squidkid
12-09-2012, 06:20 PM
Exactly..
But to also add the great Bellicheat lost to Arizona @ home and to an inferior Seattle team, why is no one questioning him. With a healthy Brady.

What was arizonas record when they played and did seatle have twice as many losses as wins when they beat NE?

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 06:23 PM
What was arizonas record when they played and did seatle have twice as many losses as wins when they beat NE?Take a look at the Chargers first, all of their losses have come from 7 or less OR something of that nature. Along with a rusty Ben and this is what you have.

Eddie Spaghetti
12-09-2012, 06:24 PM
Just like Phil Sims said at the start of the game, that after playing Baltimore the team are physically and mentally beat up.

so what?

you still have to be able to handle a 4-8 team at home. This looks like a sloppy and undisciplined football team. Couple more ST penalties again today. Why was the coach fired 2 weeks before the season again?

squidkid
12-09-2012, 06:24 PM
Big Tomlin supporter here, but yes, some responsibility needs to fall on his shoulders. The Steelers lose a lot of games they should be winning. They also win a lot of games they have no right to win.

It looks like an 'attitude' thing. Now, while a bit of this has to come from the coaches, it also comes from the senior players, who have had a good long career of beating these lower sides. Could it be that the older, more experienced players feel a certain amount of 'entitlement' that they should be beating these teams, and perhaps switch off a little more? Where were Hampton, Keisel, Harrison, Polamalu when the Defense needed a big stop? Not saying they are bad players, but they could have fallen into a culture of 'expectation'. If ever there were signs that this team needs an injection of young 'leaders', it's games like this.

not ragging on you chadman but what games did they have no right winning during tomlins tenure?
i would like to compare your lots of losses to lots of wins
i cant believe those two numbers are even gonna be close.

squidkid
12-09-2012, 06:26 PM
Take a look at the Chargers first, all of their losses have come from 7 or less OR something of that nature. Along with a rusty Ben and this is what you have.


what do the chargers have to do with your post regarding the losses to zona and seatle for NE?

Jigawatts
12-09-2012, 06:26 PM
Just like Phil Sims said at the start of the game, that after playing Baltimore the team are physically and mentally beat up.

I don't think Ben was all that rusty. Chargers D was zoned in. This team had nothing to lose and they just brought it. It happens, although I think it's happening a little more often than it should.

Chadman
12-09-2012, 06:38 PM
not ragging on you chadman but what games did they have no right winning during tomlins tenure?
i would like to compare your lots of losses to lots of wins
i cant believe those two numbers are even gonna be close.

Will give you one right off the bat- Steelers-Ravens, a week ago.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-09-2012, 06:40 PM
How can you not blame the head coach for losing to 4 bad teams. They were flat; you saw that from play 1. They came in unfocused and f-ing flat. Who's fault is that? The head man. He has some serious flaws. One of the worst losses in team history. No excuse for this one. None. Pathetic.
How would you recommend Tomlin get grownassed men to 'get more pumped up' to play? Should he give better pre game speeches? Yell at them all week? Really chew them out on the sideline? It's on the players as far as showing up to play. Only think I would blame Tomlin on is crappy drafting.

DukieBoy
12-09-2012, 06:42 PM
so what?

you still have to be able to handle a 4-8 team at home. This looks like a sloppy and undisciplined football team. Couple more ST penalties again today. Why was the coach fired 2 weeks before the season again?

And poorly prepared. The OL seemed very much not ready to compete, today.

tiproast
12-09-2012, 06:42 PM
Exactly..
But to also add the great Bellicheat lost to Arizona @ home and to an inferior Seattle team, why is no one questioning him. With a healthy Brady.
That's true. But Belichick uses the early part of the season to figure things out on offense and defense. Then he asks the team to turn it up a notch over the final eight games of the year.

Pats have not lost a game in the 2nd half of the season since 2009.

lloydroid
12-09-2012, 06:46 PM
These guys really just get lazy and unfocused and awful lot. Who would be responsible for those areas, again?

Mister Pittsburgh
12-09-2012, 06:50 PM
These guys really just get lazy and unfocused and awful lot. Who would be responsible for those areas, again?
Again, who's fault is it that guys getting paid millions to show up on a stage and perform for 3 hours a week are lazy or not focused?

Chadman
12-09-2012, 06:51 PM
How would you recommend Tomlin get grownassed men to 'get more pumped up' to play? Should he give better pre game speeches? Yell at them all week? Really chew them out on the sideline? It's on the players as far as showing up to play. Only think I would blame Tomlin on is crappy drafting.

This is how Chadman is thinking. These players are professionals. They get paid to 'be up for it'. The HC is responsible for putting the best team on the field, giving them the right gameplan, and yes- giving them some direction. But if the players are disinterested, that's on the players.

Wouldn't call Tomlin's drafting 'crappy', but it certainly seems to lack a degree of 'leadership quality' in the players brought onboard. As this team gets older, it's becoming more apparent that there is a lack of 'team leaders' in the up-and-coming ranks. Might be a good time to address that..

Steel Life
12-09-2012, 06:57 PM
How can you not blame the head coach for losing to 4 bad teams. They were flat; you saw that from play 1. They came in unfocused and f-ing flat. Who's fault is that? The head man. He has some serious flaws. One of the worst losses in team history. No excuse for this one. None. Pathetic.
Stop being so dramatic - you have absolutely no perspective...this doesn't even come close to "one of the worst losses in team history". The Chargers played inspired ball & they have a good defense, remember this is the same Charger team that held Baltimore to fewer points & should've won that game if not for the incredible 4 & 29 conversion.

But to answer your question...you don't blame the coaches when turnovers affect the outcome of the game, you don't blame coaches when players fail to execute or just get physically beat during a play - that happens in sports & thats what happened today. I'm not saying that coaches don't have bad days like the rest of us, but thats not the problem here - the players are. I don't know what standard or who you're comparing Tomlin to, but just keeping to the Steelers do you really think that Cowher & Noll never had games or seasons like this? Tomlin is one of the best HC's in the game, does it make him perfect - no...but he's a helluva lot better than the Ken Whizenhunt's, John Harbaugh's & Rex Ryan's of the world. Stop acting like chicken-little, we're still position to get to the playoffs & still a team that will have a puncher's chance to take the title.

Steel Life
12-09-2012, 07:04 PM
And poorly prepared. The OL seemed very much not ready to compete, today.
C'mon man...Colon goes out with injury early, Legursky has to come in & switch Pouncey to LG, plus the rookie Beachum starting - it wasn't preparation that was the problem.

Steel Life
12-09-2012, 07:05 PM
That's true. But Belichick uses the early part of the season to figure things out on offense and defense. Then he asks the team to turn it up a notch over the final eight games of the year.

Pats have not lost a game in the 2nd half of the season since 2009.
Except Super Bowls... ;) sorry couldn't help it.

DukieBoy
12-09-2012, 07:10 PM
That's true. But Belichick uses the early part of the season to figure things out on offense and defense. Then he asks the team to turn it up a notch over the final eight games of the year.

Pats have not lost a game in the 2nd half of the season since 2009.

Did not know this. It's impressive.

tiproast
12-09-2012, 07:15 PM
Except Super Bowls... ;) sorry couldn't help it.

Yeah, Pats don't get to play AFC West teams in the Super Bowl (sorry, couldn't help it). :D

feltdizz
12-09-2012, 07:20 PM
And you think that's easy losing your starting qb multiple games a season and still win 12? OK lmao

12 Wins? Ummm... we have 7. I'm not.talking about Tomlins career or legacy, I'm talking about THIS year.

feltdizz
12-09-2012, 07:23 PM
Exactly..
But to also add the great Bellicheat lost to Arizona @ home and to an inferior Seattle team, why is no one questioning him. With a healthy Brady.

Not my team... Seattle isn't inferior at home either but I'm sure Pats fans had concerns. Even if all of NE was concerned with the Pats what does that have to do with our team?

DukieBoy
12-09-2012, 07:32 PM
That's true. But Belichick uses the early part of the season to figure things out on offense and defense. Then he asks the team to turn it up a notch over the final eight games of the year.

Pats have not lost a game in the 2nd half of the season since 2009.

Does this include the season Brady was out injured most of the year ?

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 07:33 PM
Not my team... Seattle isn't inferior at home either but I'm sure Pats fans had concerns. Even if all of NE was concerned with the Pats what does that have to do with our team?Just saying that the media call The cheat the greatest, but yet every team have stinkers even the great Cheat.

Chadman
12-09-2012, 07:34 PM
There are a lot of circumstances that lead to a failed season. No doubt, the coaching is one aspect that needs improving, but it's not the sole reason, just as injuries have played their part but are not the reason the team appears to be underperforming.

There really is a fine line between success & failure. Coaching, injuries, and perhaps one of the most important reasons, the deterioration of the quality of play from some of the older guys who used to be our 'dominant' guys- Hampton, Harrison, Keisel- while the younger guys have not stepped up their game to compensate.

If it only takes a missed block, a missed tackle, or a dropped ball to change the outcome of a game- it's a difficult feat to overcome even 1 of the factors Chadman listed above, let alone all 3.

Steel Life
12-09-2012, 07:36 PM
12 Wins? Ummm... we have 7. I'm not.talking about Tomlins career or legacy, I'm talking about THIS year.
But Steelers ownership looks at things that way...we've had bad years before with both Noll & Cowher, Tomlin will be here a long time.

feltdizz
12-09-2012, 07:40 PM
But Steelers ownership looks at things that way...we've had bad years before with both Noll & Cowher, Tomlin will be here a long time.

I'm a Tomlin fan... criticizing him or holding him accountable doesn't mean I want him fired. All I want is for this team to figure out how to dominate a bad team.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 07:49 PM
I'm a Tomlin fan... criticizing him or holding him accountable doesn't mean I want him fired. All I want is for this team to figure out how to dominate a bad team.I really will not consider SD a bad team Hell they have won 6 games one less than the cowboys,bengals ,steelers etc like I said they lose by 7 or less and their defense played great against a predictable offense. I have blamed Haley twice this year Denver, Kansas City and you can add today for a dumb game plan.

steelfin
12-09-2012, 07:51 PM
Tomlin fan here as well....but something is wrong...how do we beat good teams on the road and lose to the bottom dwellers on a consistent basis....

I don't know who to blame...but I wish someone would get this fixed!!!

I will say I was not a fan of him going for it on 4 and 1 at the 50 before half time...based on the performance of the offense I felt we had no chance of converting....

feltdizz
12-09-2012, 08:00 PM
I really will not consider SD a bad team Hell they have won 6 games one less than the cowboys,bengals ,steelers etc like I said they lose by 7 or less and their defense played great against a predictable offense. I have blamed Haley twice this year Denver, Kansas City and you can add today for a dumb game plan.

I blame Haley too... his game plan is too short IMO. A freaking bubble screen inside the 10.

feltdizz
12-09-2012, 08:02 PM
Tomlin fan here as well....but something is wrong...how do we beat good teams on the road and lose to the bottom dwellers on a consistent basis....

I don't know who to blame...but I wish someone would get this fixed!!!

I will say I was not a fan of him going for it on 4 and 1 at the 50 before half time...based on the performance of the offense I felt we had no chance of converting....


That call didn't bother me... I don't mind Tomlin being aggressive when we are stinking it up...

DukieBoy
12-09-2012, 08:25 PM
Interesting conversation on radio about the loss of Farrior, Smith, Ward ane the impact of their loss on the leadership among the players.

flippy
12-09-2012, 08:26 PM
Why did Tomlin keep Ben in the game at the end if we weren't gonna try and win by going for 2 pts when down by 24?

BradshawsHairdresser
12-09-2012, 08:55 PM
Unfocused...undisciplined...unprepared. Too many games this season, that's been the case. The blame isn't all on the HC, but at least a significant portion has to be.

Oh, and some real bone-head in-game decisions. Not a very good season for Coach Tomlin.

Not getting enough help from his coordinators either, IMO.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 08:59 PM
Why did Tomlin keep Ben in the game at the end if we weren't gonna try and win by going for 2 pts when down by 24?The same reason the Saints kept Brees in down by 20pts with 3minutes left in the game.

flippy
12-09-2012, 09:17 PM
The same reason the Saints kept Brees in down by 20pts with 3minutes left in the game.

But Ben is dealing with an injury.

Steelhere10
12-09-2012, 09:23 PM
Ben is cleared to play, he looked fine to me.

lloydroid
12-10-2012, 04:24 PM
http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/3102976-85/tomlin-steelers-smoked#axzz2Efcpkhg0

This guy agree with some of us: Tomlin _has_ to carry most of the blame. There is no other person to blame. He is the HEAD COACH and this team plays flat and unfocused vs. the worst teams in league.

Ghost
12-10-2012, 04:40 PM
From Dulac at the Post Gazette. People here saying the coach takes some blame are just saying what people paid to follow the team are saying. Ron Cook called it an embarrassing loss, the worst of the season. Both are correct.


COACHING

It was an embarrassing performance for a team that should have received a lift from Charlie Batch's comeback performance in the second half in Baltimore. The offensive line couldn't protect Roethlisberger, the defense couldn't stop the Chargers from converting third downs and the Steelers couldn't beat a team that had lost eight of its past 10 games. But this has been a recurring theme with the Steelers, who have now lost four games to teams with a losing record -- Oakland, Tennessee, Cleveland and San Diego.

GRADE: F


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/report-card-steelers-earn-a-f-against-the-chargers-665742/#ixzz2EgQbOk4y

Jooser
12-10-2012, 04:53 PM
Unfocused...undisciplined...unprepared. Too many games this season, that's been the case. The blame isn't all on the HC, but at least a significant portion has to be.

Oh, and some real bone-head in-game decisions. Not a very good season for Coach Tomlin.

Not getting enough help from his coordinators either, IMO.

BINGO! :Agree:Agree Unfocused, Undisciplined, and Unprepared. 50 shades of the Triple U.

lloydroid
12-10-2012, 06:15 PM
BINGO! :Agree:Agree Unfocused, Undisciplined, and Unprepared. 50 shades of the Triple U.

Hey how about the consecutive offsides calls giving SD a first down when they should have had the drive stopped. First Polamalu and then Harrison, on consecutive plays. No excuse. That is a sign of a team that the coaches do not have focused and paying attention. That was it for me. I wanted to throw up.

flippy
12-10-2012, 06:32 PM
Any blame to Colbert for not getting better talent? Or how bout Omar Khan for not getting better deals done to allow us to get better players?

ikestops85
12-10-2012, 06:53 PM
Hey how about the consecutive offsides calls giving SD a first down when they should have had the drive stopped. First Polamalu and then Harrison, on consecutive plays. No excuse. That is a sign of a team that the coaches do not have focused and paying attention. That was it for me. I wanted to throw up.

Not to excuse the penalties but I wanted to ask. How can it go from 3rd and 11, we have 2 offside calls and they get a first down? Shouldn't that have been 3rd and 1?

lloydroid
12-10-2012, 07:08 PM
Any blame to Colbert for not getting better talent? Or how bout Omar Khan for not getting better deals done to allow us to get better players?

This is about lack of focus, discipline, effort - you can get all of those things if you are well-coached, even if you aren't that talented. And we all know we have a good deal of talent on this team, starting with a franchise QB. No way do I give a pass to the head coach when the team is so unprepared, unmotivated, and lack such focus. That is head coach all the way. Even when Parcells and Jimmy Johnson didn't have the most talented teams, you knew they would have their teams ready to give their best effort. Tomlin can no way make this claim.

Slapstick
12-10-2012, 07:59 PM
This is about lack of focus, discipline, effort - you can get all of those things if you are well-coached, even if you aren't that talented. And we all know we have a good deal of talent on this team, starting with a franchise QB. No way do I give a pass to the head coach when the team is so unprepared, unmotivated, and lack such focus. That is head coach all the way. Even when Parcells and Jimmy Johnson didn't have the most talented teams, you knew they would have their teams ready to give their best effort. Tomlin can no way make this claim.


Except when Parcells was in Dallas and Jimmy Johnson was in Miami...then, the efforts weren't so fantastic...

lloydroid
12-10-2012, 08:14 PM
Except when Parcells was in Dallas and Jimmy Johnson was in Miami...then, the efforts weren't so fantastic...

The efforts were fine, after they had a little time to get their program going. Bill built that Dallas team but Jones was too meddling to allow Bill to finish the job. Jimmy was saddled with Marino, and there was nothing he could do about that, but he built a fine defense while he was there. Marino simply was too much "on stilts" for the rushing game to work, and Jimmy is not a coach who rolls without a rushing game. Bill's and Jimmy's teams did fine on the effort and focus level in Dallas and Miami.

NorthCoast
12-10-2012, 08:25 PM
Norv Turner is about to be fired in SD. Does he deserve it? How can the players be absolved from a 4 & 29 to lose the game?

aggiebones
12-10-2012, 08:34 PM
I think people have been ready to fire him, then the team makes a big run.

Have you seen what happened to our OL? What a scrambled mess all year.
Did you see who had to play CB this week?
Some guy who won a tryout.
Some thing aren't coachable.
Coaching is a multiple year thing, especially with the Rooneys. So don't waste your breath until he blunders a few seasons away.

Sword
12-11-2012, 09:07 AM
To win against a great team at their home town and then the next week to loose to a bad team, this seems to be what we have been doing the last couple of years. This is all on Tomlin!
It's the Coach's job on game plan\getting the team ready (motivated). Not putting enough pressure on Rivers was bad. Also the offensive game plan to start the game with running was horrible.
I knew going into the game we had to prove the pass to be able to run especially with Ben out the previous 3 weeks. We should have been 90% passing the first 2 possessions of the game.
I'm not a Tomlin hater but, I have yet to see him put a dominate team together since he has been there. He is not proven to me he is a great Coach.
He conitues to make bad calls. Going for the fourth down was one thing but then running it instead of passing was horrendous...I knew we weren't going to get that with a run play. That should have been a pass!!
I yelled at the TV before the hike that it better be a pass!!! Fail! it wasn't...

Slapstick
12-11-2012, 09:50 AM
The efforts were fine, after they had a little time to get their program going. Bill built that Dallas team but Jones was too meddling to allow Bill to finish the job. Jimmy was saddled with Marino, and there was nothing he could do about that, but he built a fine defense while he was there. Marino simply was too much "on stilts" for the rushing game to work, and Jimmy is not a coach who rolls without a rushing game. Bill's and Jimmy's teams did fine on the effort and focus level in Dallas and Miami.

If you aren't going to make excuses for Tomlin, then don't make excuses for Parcells or Johnson...

In Miami, Johnson inherited an offense in the top 10 in both yards and scoring (saddled with Marino? Seriously?) and took it to the middle of the pack...

Johnson in Miami: 36-28, 2-3 in the playoffs

So, it wasn't Parcells, it was Jerry Jones? I can't argue against speculation...I can only look at results...

Parcells in Dallas: 34-30, 0-2 in the playoffs

I'm not impressed with that coaching, effort or focus...

feltdizz
12-11-2012, 09:57 AM
If you don't place some blame on Jerry Jones when talking about Dallas I really have to question your football knowledge. LOL...

Slapstick
12-11-2012, 12:32 PM
If you don't place some blame on Jerry Jones when talking about Dallas I really have to question your football knowledge. LOL...

Not the point. All coaches have their proverbial crosses to bear...

I'm not interested in excuses for Parcells just as other posters aren't interested in excuses for Tomlin...

lloydroid
12-11-2012, 03:21 PM
If you aren't going to make excuses for Tomlin, then don't make excuses for Parcells or Johnson...

In Miami, Johnson inherited an offense in the top 10 in both yards and scoring (saddled with Marino? Seriously?) and took it to the middle of the pack...

Johnson in Miami: 36-28, 2-3 in the playoffs

So, it wasn't Parcells, it was Jerry Jones? I can't argue against speculation...I can only look at results...

Parcells in Dallas: 34-30, 0-2 in the playoffs

I'm not impressed with that coaching, effort or focus...

So your conclusion must be that Tomlin is as good, or better, coach than Parcells and Johnson. Excuse me while I spit water out of my mouth. Did you just start following the NFL?

Slapstick
12-12-2012, 07:23 AM
So your conclusion must be that Tomlin is as good, or better, coach than Parcells and Johnson. Excuse me while I spit water out of my mouth. Did you just start following the NFL?

No. That's not what I said.

I said that neither Johnson nor Parcells deserve to be excused for their performances in Miami and Dallas, respectively, than Tomlin does for his performance with the Steelers....

That being said, if you compare Tomlin's record to what Parcells did in Dallas and to what Johnson did in Miami, you will see that Tomlin's teams have performed better than both of the other two put together...