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flippy
12-05-2012, 11:24 PM
I know Butler has already been promised to be the successor to Lebeau. But any chance we'd reconsider?

All of a sudden, without our best players on D, no significant pass rush, and an inability to create turnovers, our DBs are what's making this D go. It was a huge weakness that's become the strength of the unit.

Seems like Carnell might be the star young coach in the making that might be worth considering instead. Is he just a prodigy that's too good to pass up? As a player, who transitions from a stud college LB to play a season at CB? I'm starting to think he's bringing that's special sauce to coaching.

Herewegosteelers!
12-05-2012, 11:43 PM
:Agree Carnell would be an excellent choice.

Snatch98
12-06-2012, 01:51 AM
Butler has turned down interviews on a few occasions hasn't he? He will be the next coordinator and there is little doubt in my mind. Lake has done a terrific job but the heir apparent for a while has been Butler and I expect it to stay that way.

steelfin
12-06-2012, 01:55 AM
So let me get this straight...the defense has been consistently in the top 5 over the last decade because of Carnell Lake?

I think Carnell has done a great job with the DBs...but the architect and success of this defense is DL....Hopefully Butler will take what he has learned from DL about the 3-4 defense and add some new wrinkles...

I think it will be Butler when DL decides to hang it up...

Shawn
12-06-2012, 12:50 PM
The best man will take over as DC. I don't believe the Steelers will give it to Butler unless they believe he will make a better DC than Carnell. Personally, I believe Carnell might be the next great coach in this league. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Slapstick
12-06-2012, 01:10 PM
I have difficulty believing that Tomlin would give a coach with only two years professional coaching experience (three total) the responsibility of D coordinator over Butler...

I think Lake is a great coach...

phillyesq
12-06-2012, 02:45 PM
I'm not sure that there is an exact correlation between position coaches having a unit that performs well and the ability of that coach to be a coordinator, just like good coordinators don't necessarily make good head coaches.

For example, the DBs did not seem to improve under Ray Horton, but he has been a very good DC for the Cardinals. Butler has turned down some opportunities and I have a feeling that he is the heir apparent. Lake has been a great position coach but I think that when DL retires (incidentally, no guarantee that he does so next year) Butler is the most likely successor.

BradshawsHairdresser
12-06-2012, 04:22 PM
I'm not sure that there is an exact correlation between position coaches having a unit that performs well and the ability of that coach to be a coordinator, just like good coordinators don't necessarily make good head coaches.

For example, the DBs did not seem to improve under Ray Horton, but he has been a very good DC for the Cardinals. Butler has turned down some opportunities and I have a feeling that he is the heir apparent. Lake has been a great position coach but I think that when DL retires (incidentally, no guarantee that he does so next year) Butler is the most likely successor.
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And sometimes, not-so-great coordinators might make pretty good head coaches (Bruce Arians, cough, cough....).

Steelerphile
12-06-2012, 04:52 PM
The Steelers have made some good selections with their young DBs. I don't give full credit to a position coach when a young player does well. The player himself should get most of the credit, because he has to execute on the field, but a good coach can help polish up the talent. The DBs I am sure are also influenced by LeBeau, Tomlin, the culture of the lockerroom, and his teammates. Lake seems like a good guy, but let's not rush him to a coordinator's spot.

flippy
12-06-2012, 05:05 PM
The Steelers have made some good selections with their young DBs. I don't give full credit to a position coach when a young player does well. The player himself should get most of the credit, because he has to execute on the field, but a good coach can help polish up the talent. The DBs I am sure are also influenced by LeBeau, Tomlin, the culture of the lockerroom, and his teammates. Lake seems like a good guy, but let's not rush him to a coordinator's spot.

It's hard to know anything from the outside. Just seems we're doing great without Troy. Clark, who's been around forever, is all of a sudden playing at a new level. And Kennan Lewis who didn't even show any reason to be worth a roster spot, suddenly is a baller.

All I can see is Tomlin, Lebeau have been around for a while and the DBs have been a weakness on this team. Now it not only changes, but it changes in a time of transition where the front 7 hasn't been the best we've seen. And the DBs seem to be carrying this D to being great.

It's all just a guess? I also wouldn't mind the idea of bringing in someone from the outside like a Mangini or another known commodity.

I know the Steelers seem to like Butler and he appears to be loyal. It's all good. But I don't know what he brings to the table. He's the one getting to work with high draft picks like Timmons, Farrior, Woodley, Worilds, etc over the years. And he's coaching the guys that are supposed to be the impact players in a 3-4. And they can't consistently generate pressure or create turnovers. So it feels like his unit is underperforming a little.

RuthlessBurgher
12-06-2012, 08:02 PM
I was with you until this part:


like a Mangini

Steelhere10
12-06-2012, 09:11 PM
Yes he will be, if you watch the games Butler will sometimes huddle with the defense and go over things and also DL will give him the play to call if you watch closely. Look like he's training to me.

flippy
12-06-2012, 11:07 PM
I was with you until this part:

He seemed ok in NE. Then while he failed as a coach in Cleveland and NY, he seemed to do a good job of getting talent and improving the Ds. I think he's just another good coordinator that can't be a coach.

I've seen him on ESPN a couple time with Skip Bayless and the loud obnoxious guy and the torture they put him through might be the most entertaining thing on ESPN outside of those E60s which are awesome. Those 2 guys just torture Mangini. You can just see him dying inside on that show. Skip and Bobo have no idea what they're talking about, Mangini clearly knows it and he just seems so troubled by putting on a happy face and taking part in a discussion he looks like he thinks is the dumbest discussion in the world but it's paying the bills. He's nice about it, but doesn't seem happy.

Maybe he's holding out for another HC gig? But he seems like a guy that's too good to be wasting away on ESPN. ESPN seems like a good home for guys like Herm Edwards or Brian Billick.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
12-07-2012, 10:47 AM
I'm not sure that there is an exact correlation between position coaches having a unit that performs well and the ability of that coach to be a coordinator, just like good coordinators don't necessarily make good head coaches.

For example, the DBs did not seem to improve under Ray Horton, but he has been a very good DC for the Cardinals. Butler has turned down some opportunities and I have a feeling that he is the heir apparent. Lake has been a great position coach but I think that when DL retires (incidentally, no guarantee that he does so next year) Butler is the most likely successor.

And another $$$

Keep in mind that if you promote him to DC, he will not have the time to concentrate on the job that he has done so well, coaching up the DBs, because he will be too busy with the D as a whole, which is a job that I also don't think that he is ready for.

Oviedo
12-07-2012, 12:22 PM
I know Butler has already been promised to be the successor to Lebeau. But any chance we'd reconsider?

All of a sudden, without our best players on D, no significant pass rush, and an inability to create turnovers, our DBs are what's making this D go. It was a huge weakness that's become the strength of the unit.

Seems like Carnell might be the star young coach in the making that might be worth considering instead. Is he just a prodigy that's too good to pass up? As a player, who transitions from a stud college LB to play a season at CB? I'm starting to think he's bringing that's special sauce to coaching.

Our DBs are looking good because we invested in the position in the draft starting about three years ago. It is just natural progression.

We will see the same effect on the OL in another year or two because of the investment we made over the past three years in Pouncey, Gilbert, DeCastro and Adams (maybe add Beachum in there).