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lloydroid
12-03-2012, 10:15 PM
Now remember, I said, "bordering." I am not saying the sky is falling and I think we have enough leadership to keep the bad attitude from ruining the season. That being said, we are beginning to accumulate some attitude issues, and they are exacerbated by the loss of leadership players such as Hines Ward and Farrior, Hoke, Aaron Smith, etc.

Case in point: Sanders had some drops/fumbles and what's he do about it? Sits on bench and acts like a freaking baby. He acted as if he was wronged some how, when he was the one who F'd up. He acted like a spoiled baby for most of the game. NOT the kind of mental attitude you want to see after some really bad errors.

Wallace: His effort has been crappy all season. Most assume it's mostly from him having a crap tude after not getting the MASSIVE new contract he wanted, and I am sure, his tude bleeds into the locker room, making some other players - possibly - feed off the negative vibes. Even when he supposedly was going to knock off the poor tude and put in more effort, he is still mostly flopping around out there. He reminds me of a big Gumby. Nothing he does is solid. Even when he does make a catch, it always borders on "just barely." Frustrating. Any how, his attitude can't be helping the team mindset. He is supposedly our leading WR but I ain't feeling it. Add in the moping Sanders and we have a potential problem.

Mendenhall: He has been demoted to not even dressing. I don't like his presence any where around the team. I honestly think he should be uninvited from the sidelines and locker room at this point. Yea, keep him on the team in case we have injuries, but, I don't like his vibe at all.

Dwyer: According to the announcers of the game, he had a talking to and now understands the proper attitude to have. It did seem like he stopped trying to get out of the game after 2 carries like he was prior to this. But previous to this, his lazy tude was not helping the collective team mindset. It couldn't have been a positive factor. But, hopefully he "gets it" at this point.

Hopefully, players like Ben, Keisel, Harrison, Foote, Troy, and the coaching staff, can keep the whining, loser attitude at bay. I sure hope so. But in the off season, I really hope they "cull the herd" and get rid of some of these guys showing non-Steeler like tudes. Sanders little tirade was ridiculous and Wallace has been a malcontent all season long. We can't afford that kind of tude, as it never wins any championships. I am not saying it's to the point of spoiling the team as of now, but it needs addressed and usually it has to come from the players, not the coaches. You MUST have enough leaders on the team, as if it's just from the coaches, players tune it out. I would love for Harrison to tell Sanders and Wallace, "Look, you gotta come correct. We are busting our @sses out here and we ain't gonna let you whine and bring the team down. It ain't happening. Understood?" If I was ever considering being lazy or a malcontent, and Harrison had a little talk with me, I would come correct immediately.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Pretty sure Dwyer is just out of shape and needs to fix that. I don't think Sanders was throwing a fit over his performance...he actually had a separated shoulder and was angry over that, then went back in the game and had a nice catch.

Wallace and Mendy are piss poor though.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
12-03-2012, 10:28 PM
Serious question here … I know Mendy has fumbled a lot and deserves some negative attention from the coaches - but what did he do wrong with attitude?

lloydroid
12-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Serious question here … I know Mendy has fumbled a lot and deserves some negative attention from the coaches - but what did he do wrong with attitude?

I know this isn't science, but reading between the lines, he just doesn't exude team attitude when they pan to him on the sidelines. He seems unattached, disinterested, and never seemingly emotionally attached to what the team is doing. They MUST be unhappy with him, beyond just a mere fumble. I just didn't like his effort, period, and maybe they didn't either. I'd much rather have the carries got to JD and a few to Redman, who really 'brings it" as far as effort is concerned. If my hunch is right that his attitude isn't a real team, team status, maybe that is partly why he isn't even dressing at this point. This also really shoots a hole in his effort for a next big contract. What team is going to back up the Brink's truck when the dude wasn't even dressing when healthy?

aggiebones
12-03-2012, 10:50 PM
lots of exaggerations by OP

Snatch98
12-03-2012, 10:51 PM
Lloyddroid you get more and more ridiculous with each passing day. Seriously

Mister Pittsburgh
12-03-2012, 10:56 PM
Serious question here … I know Mendy has fumbled a lot and deserves some negative attention from the coaches - but what did he do wrong with attitude?

As we all say, who knows what happens behind those doors on the south side. I personally find it hard to believe that anyone that would sympathize with Bin Laden, and rag on his teams fans, both publicly, and then appear to not give a crap he got benched, would be anything but a douchebag. By being a top draft pick, and starting RB on the Steelers, he should be a leader and he simply isn't. Who knows what he did after the Browns crap performance. He may of told Tomlin to kiss his behind for all we know.

Mister Pittsburgh
12-03-2012, 11:01 PM
Ps - why does my iPad keep changing Tomlin to Tomlinson?

BradshawsHairdresser
12-03-2012, 11:06 PM
Ps - why does my iPad keep changing Tomlin to Tomlinson?
Try not typing in "LaDanian"...

winwithd
12-03-2012, 11:10 PM
Serious question here I know Mendy has fumbled a lot and deserves some negative attention from the coaches - but what did he do wrong with attitude?

Did anyone catch the post-game interview with Dwyer over on Steelers.com? Other than the disheveled Ravens reporter who seemed to have trouble breathing, I couldn't help but notice Mendenhall dressing in the background. I had to wonder what was going thru his head hearing Dwyer get the attention. Will he step it up next time he gets a chance?

Mister Pittsburgh
12-03-2012, 11:11 PM
Try not typing in "LaDanian"...

ha ha...very funny....all I can figure is that it auto fills the most popular word that starts with Tomlin and adds the Son...

fordfixer
12-03-2012, 11:16 PM
Try not typing in "LaDanian"...
Nice one ........:-)

Iron Shiek
12-03-2012, 11:48 PM
Geez....unless you are in practice everyday or in the locker room how do you know what kind of vibe rashard mendenhall is giving off?

Iron Shiek
12-03-2012, 11:53 PM
I know this isn't science, but reading between the lines, he just doesn't exude team attitude when they pan to him on the sidelines. He seems unattached, disinterested, and never seemingly emotionally attached to what the team is doing. They MUST be unhappy with him, beyond just a mere fumble. I just didn't like his effort, period, and maybe they didn't either. I'd much rather have the carries got to JD and a few to Redman, who really 'brings it" as far as effort is concerned. If my hunch is right that his attitude isn't a real team, team status, maybe that is partly why he isn't even dressing at this point. This also really shoots a hole in his effort for a next big contract. What team is going to back up the Brink's truck when the dude wasn't even dressing when healthy?

Oh...I found your rationale. You sound like the reporter that asked Bobby Knight about his and his players' game faces one year in the NCAA tournament. What do you want him to do on the sideline....he's not dressed. Is he supposed to be doing laps and froth at the mouth at all times, or only when he knows you see him on the tv machine? I'm sure when you are in school or at work you have your "game face" on the entire time.

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 12:22 AM
Oh...I found your rationale. You sound like the reporter that asked Bobby Knight about his and his players' game faces one year in the NCAA tournament. What do you want him to do on the sideline....he's not dressed. Is he supposed to be doing laps and froth at the mouth at all times, or only when he knows you see him on the tv machine? I'm sure when you are in school or at work you have your "game face" on the entire time.

My examples are not from this game only; they are from my observations over his entire career. He is a detached personality. Fine, if he produced, but he does not. So, that combined with his anti-enthusiasm means sit down, son.

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 12:23 AM
Geez....unless you are in practice everyday or in the locker room how do you know what kind of vibe rashard mendenhall is giving off?

From observations and insight. Vision. It all adds up.

pittpete
12-04-2012, 12:29 AM
If anything, I thought Mendenhall looked embarrassed and was choking on what pride he might have left when they showed him.
Sanders was frustrated and I didnt get the vibe his attitude is anywhere near what you described.
Wallace on the other hand just exudes attitude by his body language.
Pretty tough to say guys have attitudes without hearing them speak.

proudsteelerfamily
12-04-2012, 09:11 AM
I thought Sanders looked as if he was really angry with himself. I was happy to see that.

Eich
12-04-2012, 09:20 AM
I thought Sanders looked as if he was really angry with himself. I was happy to see that.

Agreed. I thought the coaches were trying to console him. He looked like he was being extremely hard on himself for the self-induced fumble.

phillyesq
12-04-2012, 09:20 AM
Mendenhall: He has been demoted to not even dressing. I don't like his presence any where around the team. I honestly think he should be uninvited from the sidelines and locker room at this point. Yea, keep him on the team in case we have injuries, but, I don't like his vibe at all.


This course of action would be precluded by the CBA.

phillyesq
12-04-2012, 09:21 AM
I thought Sanders looked as if he was really angry with himself. I was happy to see that.

Yeah, that was my impression. He wasn't moping - he was very upset with his own performance. Would the OP have preferred to see Sanders laughing and joking?

BradshawsHairdresser
12-04-2012, 09:49 AM
And if he'd just remained calm, someone would have complained that he didn't have enough passion for the game....I'd rather focus on what he does, or doesn't do, on the field. He can bounce back from this. The next few games will show us a lot about his character, IMO.

feltdizz
12-04-2012, 10:43 AM
Sanders bounced back later in the game... I thought he had a catch on the TD drive? I was upset with him to and when they showed him on the bench the bar was livid with him but they were cheering a few possessions later.

It's football, he made a huge mistake and was upset... not sure what you want the guy to do. He can't do a superman and reverse time.

DBR96A
12-04-2012, 11:23 AM
Rashard Mendenhall just strikes me as too nonchalant. I see no fire in him. I remember watching the Patriots/Broncos game earlier this season, and after Willis McGahee lost a late fumble when the Broncos were trying to rally, he was sitting on the sideline rocking back and forth, and I saw him say, "I ****ed up." He looked like he wanted to get back in there and redeem himself. Whenever Mendenhall makes a bonehead play, I just see him sitting on the sidelines with his arms folded, staring off into the sky, and often without anybody else around him.

RuthlessBurgher
12-04-2012, 01:44 PM
Ps - why does my iPad keep changing Tomlin to Tomlinson?


Perhaps you bought the Miyagi model, Daniel-san. ;)

NorthCoast
12-04-2012, 02:16 PM
While I certainly wouldn't expect Mendenhall to be jumping for joy on the sidelines (who would after being benched?), you might expect him to at least show some interest in the game.
DO any of you even recall Mendenhall being benched in his rookie season? That one supposedly stemmed from an attitude adjustment. Mendenhall has some doghouse history with Tomlin, so I don't see the Steelers opening their wallet too wide for him next season. I have said it many times before, but at his current level of play he is an average NFL RB that can be replaced very easily by FA or draft.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
12-04-2012, 03:15 PM
While I certainly wouldn't expect Mendenhall to be jumping for joy on the sidelines (who would after being benched?), you might expect him to at least show some interest in the game.
DO any of you even recall Mendenhall being benched in his rookie season? That one supposedly stemmed from an attitude adjustment. Mendenhall has some doghouse history with Tomlin, so I don't see the Steelers opening their wallet too wide for him next season. I have said it many times before, but at his current level of play he is an average NFL RB that can be replaced very easily by FA or draft. I didn't remember it was his rookie season, but I do remember that, and I think I also remember he had an almost monster game the week after that and we all said, "He learned his lesson".

I don't much care how he looks on the sideline, it's not drama class. Troy or Batch rarely look hyped up on the sideline either. If he can produce, great, if not, well there's ways for dealing with that as well.

Crazy thing is, I can't quite decide how I feel about RM's skills. It seemed like he always got the short end of the "Our O-line comes from the Swiss cheese factory" situation we have had for, well, forever. Then I thought he was running with much more of a purpose this year after his injury. Sometimes he runs so well. If anything I'm leaning towards the opinion that he's got speed, but not such great RB "vision".

I wonder if he'll play this week? And if he does, will he have two hands on the ball at all times? Or if 1-hand for a few moments, will it be at least the "4-point" grasp of the football?

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 04:06 PM
As we all say, who knows what happens behind those doors on the south side. I personally find it hard to believe that anyone that would sympathize with Bin Laden, and rag on his teams fans, both publicly, and then appear to not give a crap he got benched, would be anything but a douchebag. By being a top draft pick, and starting RB on the Steelers, he should be a leader and he simply isn't. Who knows what he did after the Browns crap performance. He may of told Tomlin to kiss his behind for all we know.

He's definitely not a leader. He just doesn't exude any good vibes from what I've seen. No, he doesn't have to do cartwheels on the sideline, cheer leading, but if you have been on any sports teams, or, hell, even playing backyard football, you know if you are a "normal" teammate, you get pumped up when your team scores or makes a play. That dude always just sits and stares with his Jesus-doll-from-movie "Carrie" eyes instead. I would say it's safe to say he said something showing poor tude after the Browns game. He just doesn't give a crap.

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 04:06 PM
Lloyddroid you get more and more ridiculous with each passing day. Seriously

And you can kiss my @ss. How's that?

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 04:08 PM
Did anyone catch the post-game interview with Dwyer over on Steelers.com? Other than the disheveled Ravens reporter who seemed to have trouble breathing, I couldn't help but notice Mendenhall dressing in the background. I had to wonder what was going thru his head hearing Dwyer get the attention. Will he step it up next time he gets a chance?

If he hasn't stepped it up by now....I mean, sure he could exert himself for a game. But he isn't all of a sudden going to become a different person. At this point, he is a back up back, at best.

feltdizz
12-04-2012, 04:10 PM
I didn't remember it was his rookie season, but I do remember that, and I think I also remember he had an almost monster game the week after that and we all said, "He learned his lesson".

I don't much care how he looks on the sideline, it's not drama class. Troy or Batch rarely look hyped up on the sideline either. If he can produce, great, if not, well there's ways for dealing with that as well.

Crazy thing is, I can't quite decide how I feel about RM's skills. It seemed like he always got the short end of the "Our O-line comes from the Swiss cheese factory" situation we have had for, well, forever. Then I thought he was running with much more of a purpose this year after his injury. Sometimes he runs so well. If anything I'm leaning towards the opinion that he's got speed, but not such great RB "vision".

I wonder if he'll play this week? And if he does, will he have two hands on the ball at all times? Or if 1-hand for a few moments, will it be at least the "4-point" grasp of the football?

it was his second year.... I also thought the OL was to blame but Redman and Dwyer showed us that it wasn't the OL... RM just wasn't taking what was in front of him. Maybe he is looking for big gains instead of running disciplined but something is missing.

The fumbles are another treat... he had a history of fumbling, then it went away and now it's returned. Maybe they are giving us slicker footballs... not sure how you can fumble that easily right after fumbling unless you think too highly of your handling skills.

Holmes fumbles on a few punts in back to back games as well.. not saying they have the same mental make up but RM does show a little of a "I'm smarter than you guys" on twitter and maybe he isn't letting the coaches words sink in like they should.

I'm over RM but I would like to see him succeed while in our uni... the injury before a contract year has to be heavy on the brain.

feltdizz
12-04-2012, 04:10 PM
And you can kiss my @ss. How's that?

now that's attitude

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 04:12 PM
Agreed. I thought the coaches were trying to console him. He looked like he was being extremely hard on himself for the self-induced fumble.

OK, let's say that's the case. It was still a childish move. Do you think Jerry Rice would ever throw a fit because he made a mistake or hurt his shoulder? That's not a pro move. He acted like a baby. Don't throw antics on the sidelines. Line up and man up and make a play instead. No one wants to see a player throw a fit like that it. It doesn't help them win; it just serves as a negative distraction. Don't act like a child.

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 04:23 PM
I'm over RM but I would like to see him succeed while in our uni... the injury before a contract year has to be heavy on the brain.

In all honesty, his stock was going down even without the injury. As I predicted Dwyer has proven that he is the better back - a 6th round draft pick has proven better than a first round pick, #2 back taken over all? The JD I saw last week was the one I envisioned all along. And it finally happened. If he can retain that effort then we really got something. One analyst mentioned that defenses having to contend with that big back pounding on them will get tired, making it easier for Ben and the receivers to take advantage of the worn down defenders. Mendenhall never really wore anyone down. JD will. And then, for good measure we give them a taste of Redman for a few carries, further wearing a D down. I think after an afternoon of JD, and then we send out IR, the defense has to be thinking, "And now we have to deal with this dude who just fights us for every yard?" I like the way this is rounding out for the final stretch.

RuthlessBurgher
12-04-2012, 04:25 PM
#2 back taken overall???

Mendenhall was the 4th RB taken in that draft, behind Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, and Felix Jones.

feltdizz
12-04-2012, 04:32 PM
OK, let's say that's the case. It was still a childish move. Do you think Jerry Rice would ever throw a fit because he made a mistake or hurt his shoulder? That's not a pro move. He acted like a baby. Don't throw antics on the sidelines. Line up and man up and make a play instead. No one wants to see a player throw a fit like that it. It doesn't help them win; it just serves as a negative distraction. Don't act like a child.

newsflash homie, we won...

who was distracted by Sanders besides you?

and who knows how Jerry Rice acted on the sideline in his 3rd season after he dropped a pass.

feltdizz
12-04-2012, 04:34 PM
In all honesty, his stock was going down even without the injury. As I predicted Dwyer has proven that he is the better back - a 6th round draft pick has proven better than a first round pick, #2 back taken over all? The JD I saw last week was the one I envisioned all along. And it finally happened. If he can retain that effort then we really got something. One analyst mentioned that defenses having to contend with that big back pounding on them will get tired, making it easier for Ben and the receivers to take advantage of the worn down defenders. Mendenhall never really wore anyone down. JD will. And then, for good measure we give them a taste of Redman for a few carries, further wearing a D down. I think after an afternoon of JD, and then we send out IR, the defense has to be thinking, "And now we have to deal with this dude who just fights us for every yard?" I like the way this is rounding out for the final stretch.

I know you are a big JD fan but everyone knows you can't crown him anything until he does it consistently...

Sugar
12-04-2012, 05:14 PM
I guess I'm just not seeing the importance of any of these "episodes." Some players are more passionate about different aspects of their game than others. I guess all of this psychoanalysis seems like fishing for drama to me.

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 05:37 PM
#2 back taken overall???

Mendenhall was the 4th RB taken in that draft, behind Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, and Felix Jones.

OK, so be it. But the point remains. He was taken mucho high for what he has become. And Chris Johnson went AFTER RM.

hawaiiansteel
12-04-2012, 05:43 PM
OK, so be it. But the point remains. He was taken mucho high for what he has become. And Chris Johnson went AFTER RM.

so did Ray Rice and Matt Forte...

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 05:43 PM
I guess I'm just not seeing the importance of any of these "episodes." Some players are more passionate about different aspects of their game than others. I guess all of this psychoanalysis seems like fishing for drama to me.

Childish and negative behavior do not make champions. You really need good chemistry to win it all. Have you ever seen a team with attitude issues win a ring? I haven't. You must have team unity. I think they do, except for the few bad apples mentioned. If Sanders really was angry over his mistake or injury, fine. But I still say throwing tantrums on the sidelines isn't good for the team; he acted like a baby, ranting and raving. And the fact that Tomlin decided to not even DRESS Mendenhall tells me what I need to know there. And if it isn't apparent to you that Wallace has a bad attitude, well, I don't know how to help you. Even his body language makes it clear as a bell that he has a bad attitude. And it's hurting the team in more than 1 way. Sanders, Brown and Wallace call themselves, "Young $." Only Brown really deserves that moniker at this point.

lloydroid
12-04-2012, 05:46 PM
I know you are a big JD fan but everyone knows you can't crown him anything until he does it consistently...

And which way is the trend arrow pointing? My contention was that he was the best back we have. Most claimed RM was clearly our best back. Who was right on that call? One is getting production, the other now doesn't even dress for games. Hmmmm. Redman clearly isn't as good of a back as JD. JD is our best back, as I said back in July.