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Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 07:20 PM
Byron Leftwich and Charlie Batch are flat out horrible. And they have been for a long time. They serve absolutely no purpose on this team. I believe Jerrod Johnson would have found a way to win this game today. The Browns didnt want to win nor were really capable of winning unless the Steelers gave it to them. And it was all started when Charlie Batch was named the starter today.

I just dont get it. These are professionals (management), why do they insist on keeping these two stiffs on the roster? :HeadBanger

Steel Life
11-25-2012, 07:27 PM
Don't necessarily agree with the questioning of the FO's personnel decisions as most thought we had the best back-up QBs in the league - obviously they & a lot of us were wrong. But I have long maintained that the 3rd QB is almost unnecessary & that if you're going to keep one better that he be a young, mobile one that can make something with his feet if there's no play. I would've rather rolled with a Dixon-type rather than what I saw today.

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 07:32 PM
Don't necessarily agree with the questioning of the FO's personnel decisions as most thought we had the best back-up QBs in the league - obviously they & a lot of us were wrong. But I have long maintained that the 3rd QB is almost unnecessary & that if you're going to keep one better that he be a young, mobile one that can make something with his feet if there's no play. I would've rather rolled with a Dixon-type rather than what I saw today.

Who is saying or ever did say that the Steelers had the best set of backups QB's? Whoever those people are I would suggest you stop listening to them because they are clueless. As long as our #1 QB plays the style he plays a #3 QB is always going to be important. We have seen it two out of the last three years. What does it take for goodness sakes?!!

phillyesq
11-25-2012, 07:37 PM
As awful as Batch was today, the Steelers probably could have won the game without the fumbles. I understand questioning keeping Batch and/or Leftwich on the roster, but I don't see Jerrod Johnson as the answer. I was not impressed by what I saw from him.

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 07:44 PM
As awful as Batch was today, the Steelers probably could have won the game without the fumbles. I understand questioning keeping Batch and/or Leftwich on the roster, but I don't see Jerrod Johnson as the answer. I was not impressed by what I saw from him.


And you are impressed with Leftwich and Batch? Those are better options? Wow.......

NJ-STEELER
11-25-2012, 07:46 PM
he's not from pittsburgh and he didnt file for personnel bankruptcy

hawaiiansteel
11-25-2012, 07:49 PM
maybe the same reason why no other single NFL team has picked him up yet?

Djfan
11-25-2012, 08:24 PM
I was flamed on this board for saying that Lefty was done because he is a china doll. I said it then and say it again - Ben, Batch, Jerrod, in that order.

Chadman
11-25-2012, 08:25 PM
Troy Smith...could have won that game.

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 08:28 PM
....but I don't see Jerrod Johnson as the answer. I was not impressed by what I saw from him.

If the question is between Leftwich, Batch, and Johnson, I think the answer should have been Jerrod Johnson. And what are you basing your not being impressed with Johnson On? In the small amount of action he had he played very well. He showed a strong, accurate arm, and had some mobility as well as the ability to run.

These numbers are more impressive than they are non-impressive. And his college numbers were pretty good too. He beat out Ryan Tannehill (a number 1 draft pick), twice (2008 and 2009), at Texas A & M.

2012 Pre-season stats for the Steelers


ATT COMP YARDS PCT YDS/ATT TD TD% INT INT% LONG SACK SACK/LOST RATING


21
14
236
66.7
11.2
2
9.5
0
0.0
57
5
33
136.2

feltdizz
11-25-2012, 08:33 PM
We should have kept Johnson but he wouldn't have won today...

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 08:33 PM
maybe the same reason why no other single NFL team has picked him up yet?

Come on Hawaiian, you are better than that. You know when Johnson got cut most every team in the NFL had their QB situation set. And regardless that isnt an indicator that a player isnt good nor one that says they can't develop into a solid player. Have you ever heard of QB's named Warren Moon, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia, and Kurt Warner?

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 08:34 PM
We should have kept Johnson but he wouldn't have won today...

How do you know this? We lost by 6 points. Had we had a QB who was simply descent we win this game. Just descent. Not great. Just descent.

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 08:36 PM
I was flamed on this board for saying that Lefty was done because he is a china doll. I said it then and say it again - Ben, Batch, Jerrod, in that order.

I am right there with you by why keep Batch? Batch serves no purpose at all. Every year I advocate the Steelers using a mid to late round pick on a developmental QB and they dont. Or if they do they end up releasing with in a year.

Steel Life
11-25-2012, 08:40 PM
Who is saying or ever did say that the Steelers had the best set of backups QB's? Whoever those people are I would suggest you stop listening to them because they are clueless. As long as our #1 QB plays the style he plays a #3 QB is always going to be important. We have seen it two out of the last three years. What does it take for goodness sakes?!!
ESPN, CBS Sports, SI...all throughout the season - that's why we were favored by most in the last two games. And I'm not saying I agree with keeping both Batch & Byron, both are way too fragile & immobile for my tastes.

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 08:45 PM
ESPN, CBS Sports, SI...all throughout the season - that's why we were favored by most in the last two games. And I'm not saying I agree with keeping both Batch & Byron, both are way too fragile & immobile for my tastes.


...and not to mention they can't throw the football nor move a team down the field with any kind of success. Funny today Chris Carter on ESPN said Charlie Batch has never been a good QB.

phillyesq
11-25-2012, 09:03 PM
If the question is between Leftwich, Batch, and Johnson, I think the answer should have been Jerrod Johnson. And what are you basing your not being impressed with Johnson On? In the small amount of action he had he played very well. He showed a strong, accurate arm, and had some mobility as well as the ability to run.

These numbers are more impressive than they are non-impressive. And his college numbers were pretty good too. He beat out Ryan Tannehill (a number 1 draft pick), twice (2008 and 2009), at Texas A & M.

2012 Pre-season stats for the Steelers


ATT COMP YARDS PCT YDS/ATT TD TD% INT INT% LONG SACK SACK/LOST RATING


21
14
236
66.7
11.2
2
9.5
0
0.0
57
5
33
136.2




From what I saw in the preseason of Johnson, he simply was not impressive. I'm still fine with the decision to keep Batch as the third QB this year, which says as much about Johnson as it does Batch.

Notice that the Steelers didn't bring Johnson back, instead opting for Hoyer? Johnson wasn't even one of the options. Shows how the FO evaluated him.

While it sounds good in theory to have a mobile third QB, the reality is that if your third QB is starting, you have a street backup. Remember when Dixon started a few years ago? Same type of game plan - you aren't going to risk letting the #3 get hurt and having to play a #4 with no time in the system.

BURGH86STEEL
11-25-2012, 09:16 PM
...and not to mention they can't throw the football nor move a team down the field with any kind of success. Funny today Chris Carter on ESPN said Charlie Batch has never been a good QB.

Most 2nd and 3rd string QB's are going to have a difficult time moving a team down the field with any kind of success. Some team's first teams QB's have issues moving their teams down the field with any kind of success.

feltdizz
11-25-2012, 09:42 PM
Its really hard to drive downfield when 3 RB's have 4 fumbles on 12 carries.

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 09:51 PM
From what I saw in the preseason of Johnson, he simply was not impressive..

Care to elaborate? What do you base this on? His numbers were solid. His arm strength and accuracy was above average. Please tell us why you weren't impressed.

Dee Dub
11-25-2012, 09:52 PM
....I'm still fine with the decision to keep Batch as the third QB this year.

And that decision cost the Steelers a game today. And it will more than likely have huge playoff implications.

Steelhere10
11-25-2012, 09:57 PM
Care to elaborate? What do you base this on? His numbers were solid. His arm strength and accuracy was above average. Please tell us why you weren't impressed.I want to know also, because I thought his performance gave him a roster spot.

SidSmythe
11-25-2012, 09:57 PM
I think BATCH outperformed LEFTY's performance last week. I didn't like LEFTY to begin with but I thought Charlie settled into the game and made some decent throws. But it's obvious his timing was off.

All excuses aside I agree with PHILLY....the RUNNING BACK FUMBLES killed us today, not BATCH.

BUT i must say i would have liked to see a better backup than LEFTWICH.

NorthCoast
11-25-2012, 09:59 PM
Same old story, the best guy for the team is the one not playing......

Fact is, the game was winnable despite 8 turnovers and bad QB and RB play.

I will say it again, in a game where the RBs needed to bring their 'A' game, they brought their 'F' game. Fumbles are bad, fumbles on the Steelers side of the field are inexcusable. Mendenhall's fumble was pathetic, in traffic with the ball waving around instead of being tucked hard against his body.

squidkid
11-25-2012, 10:02 PM
you do know that the steelers backup qbs cant the white dont you?

squidkid
11-25-2012, 10:03 PM
you do know that the steelers backup qbs cant the white dont you?

just trying to make light of this subject fellas

hawaiiansteel
11-25-2012, 10:19 PM
Come on Hawaiian, you are better than that. You know when Johnson got cut most every team in the NFL had their QB situation set. And regardless that isnt an indicator that a player isnt good nor one that says they can't develop into a solid player. Have you ever heard of QB's named Warren Moon, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia, and Kurt Warner?

the Steelers obviously aren't impressed with Jerrod Johnson otherwise they would have brought him back when Lefty got hurt since Johnson already knew the playbook. instead the Steelers brought in Mike Kafka and Brian Hoyer for tryouts, what does that tell you?

and for every Warren Moon, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia, and Kurt Warner there are thousands of undrafted QBs who never make it.

feltdizz
11-25-2012, 10:28 PM
And that decision cost the Steelers a game today. And it will more than likely have huge playoff implications.

The RB's lost this game.

NorthCoast
11-25-2012, 10:33 PM
The RB's lost this game.

finally, a voice of reason....

The plan clearly was for the defense to keep the game close and have Batch manage the game. He could not be expected to be the hero but he could have had a decent short game if he had run game support. When the Steelers got behind that plan went out the window.

Steelhere10
11-25-2012, 10:45 PM
Yes the rbs lost the game, but don't forget Batch had 3int from bad throws . And some under throws that helped a lot also.

phillyesq
11-25-2012, 11:11 PM
I want to know also, because I thought his performance gave him a roster spot.

Watch what Nick Foles did in the preseason. He had an impressive preseason (and stinks right now). Johnson simply didn't impress me.

I can't quantify it because I didn't think much of it or of him. But watching him I got the same impression I got watching Omar Jacobs and those types - this guy is not going to be an NFL QB.

Djfan
11-25-2012, 11:24 PM
I am right there with you by why keep Batch? Batch serves no purpose at all. Every year I advocate the Steelers using a mid to late round pick on a developmental QB and they dont. Or if they do they end up releasing with in a year.

Keep Batch because he was there and better than Lefty. If you would rather have had Johnson as two and Batch as three, that's not really an issue IMO. But those two are better than Lefty/Batch.

steelz09
11-26-2012, 12:35 AM
I thought it was incredibly stupid to not keep Jerrod Johnson.

Why would keep 2 fragile, old backup QBs. Having both Leftwich and Batch is pointless. Keep 1 and let the other go to make room for Johnson. That is what should have been done. The Steelers don't make a whole lot of poor GM decisions but this was one of them.

Dee Dub
11-26-2012, 12:47 AM
No one is saying that Jerrod Johnson is the answer or that he would have been great. But he could have been a viable back-up for days like today. As it is right now, and has been for quite some time, the Steelers dont have a viable option as a back up QB. Neither Leftwich nor Batch are going to win any games for the Steelers.

Why not try and develop a guy like Johnson? Who knows, maybe he has the chance to be decent. Leftwich and Batch will never be descent again. They are both horrible and will never get any better than what they are now.

chiken
11-26-2012, 01:10 AM
Batch doesn't seem like he is physically able to play this game any more. He looked at times like A guy who had never started before. So many missed throws. The Stupid decision to throw to Wallace (during the Drive we needed) who was being double covered (and he threw a freaking punt at that) IF he wasnt throwing over their heads he was short hopping them. Any other Qb could have done what he did.

What in the heck was he doing in practice that gave us confidence that he could come out here and perform in a real game. They say 3rd string quys dont get any snaps, so did we not know how bad he was. (I am thinking we did judging from the Play calling)

So when Ben comes back are we going to keep Batch and Brokewitch and Cut the young guy?

Slapstick
11-26-2012, 07:18 AM
Hell, why not start Hoyer next week against the Ravens?

What's the worst that could happen? 3 INTs?

Sadly, I'm only half kidding...

Sword
11-26-2012, 09:20 AM
Hell, why not start Hoyer next week against the Ravens?

What's the worst that could happen? 3 INTs?

Sadly, I'm only half kidding...

I agree... start Hoyer and draft a QB next year..hell.. he was brad's backup..That is how young guys come in and show you really what they got..

Lefty and Batch need to retire...

Jooser
11-26-2012, 10:01 AM
I thought Leftwich played better than Batch, even with broken ribs. How many INTs did Charlie throw yesterday? Leftwich? (Rollie EYES)

phillyesq
11-26-2012, 12:23 PM
No one is saying that Jerrod Johnson is the answer or that he would have been great. But he could have been a viable back-up for days like today. As it is right now, and has been for quite some time, the Steelers dont have a viable option as a back up QB. Neither Leftwich nor Batch are going to win any games for the Steelers.

Why not try and develop a guy like Johnson? Who knows, maybe he has the chance to be decent. Leftwich and Batch will never be descent again. They are both horrible and will never get any better than what they are now.

I completely agree with the need for a viable backup. I just don't think Johnson was the guy. Who knows - maybe Hoyer can be that guy. Whoever the backup is, I would focus on the #2 more than the #3.