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Sword
11-21-2012, 09:14 AM
So, what do you guys think of this one? I think it's a good choice.
He has experience playing backup to an elite QB and team...

flippy
11-21-2012, 09:31 AM
I have no idea. Maybe he's friends with Plax and they came as a package both being from MSU? Did they work out together or something?

Anyone know why the Pats cut him?

The last Pats backup, Cassell, is awful. Belichick has a history of bad QBs other than Brady. He hit the jackpot with Brady, but even going back to Cleveland, he's never had a knack for developing QBs. So this signing is a bit of a head scratcher.

Shawn
11-21-2012, 09:40 AM
Yeah the Pats cut Hoyer not because he wasn't progressing but because they invested a draft pick in Mallet. There was some upset within the Pats camp because Hoyer at the point he was cut was the better QB...certainly managed games better. Hoyer put up some really nice numbers in his two preseasons, is a good game manager and can make the throws.

Sword
11-21-2012, 09:44 AM
I have no idea. Maybe he's friends with Plax and they came as a package both being from MSU? Did they work out together or something?

Anyone know why the Pats cut him?

The last Pats backup, Cassell, is awful. Belichick has a history of bad QBs other than Brady. He hit the jackpot with Brady, but even going back to Cleveland, he's never had a knack for developing QBs. So this signing is a bit of a head scratcher.

Drew Bledsoe....

Oviedo
11-21-2012, 09:50 AM
I think Hoyer is a good pick up. The type of offense the Pats run is not that different than what haley is running based on quick reads and short to medium range routes. Let's face it, it's not like there are alot of great QBs waiting for a job.

I was more surprised we signed Burress over Derrick Williams given that Williams was with us all through camp. Personally I think Burress will be on zero value. he wasn't good last year when he played and I don't expect he will do anything for us. They should have just brought up the other kid from the practice squad like they did Gilreath.

feltdizz
11-21-2012, 10:04 AM
I think Hoyer is a good pick up. The type of offense the Pats run is not that different than what haley is running based on quick reads and short to medium range routes. Let's face it, it's not like there are alot of great QBs waiting for a job.

I was more surprised we signed Burress over Derrick Williams given that Williams was with us all through camp. Personally I think Burress will be on zero value. he wasn't good last year when he played and I don't expect he will do anything for us. They should have just brought up the other kid from the practice squad like they did Gilreath.

I would like to see what Burress can do with Ben... I can't judge Burress based on his production with Dirty Sanchez... that guy sucks.

Oviedo
11-21-2012, 10:23 AM
I would like to see what Burress can do with Ben... I can't judge Burress based on his production with Dirty Sanchez... that guy sucks.

IMO Burress offers nothing. They guy sucked for the Jets last year and he will suck for us.

NorthCoast
11-21-2012, 10:27 AM
IMO Burress offers nothing. They guy sucked for the Jets last year and he will suck for us.

uhh.... he was good for 8 TDs last season.... which is more than the 2-4 WRs combined....

flippy
11-21-2012, 10:50 AM
The type of offense the Pats run is not that different than what haley is running based on quick reads and short to medium range routes.

This is probably why we signed him. Good point Ovi 1.

RuthlessBurgher
11-21-2012, 11:20 AM
uhh.... he was good for 8 TDs last season.... which is more than the 2-4 WRs combined....

Yup...in that sucky Jets season coming in rusty after 2 years out of the league with a prison stay and Sanchez throwing him the ball, he still had the same number of TD catches that Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders have for their entire NFL careers combined (and that would be 5 total NFL seasons...2.5 years of each in the league)...if anything, Plaxico should certainly help us in the red zone (but between the 20's, I prefer Cotchery to Plax at this stage of their careers...once Jerricho's rib heal, of course).

flippy
11-21-2012, 11:46 AM
Yup...in that sucky Jets season coming in rusty after 2 years out of the league with a prison stay and Sanchez throwing him the ball, he still had the same number of TD catches that Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders have for their entire NFL careers combined (and that would be 5 total NFL seasons...2.5 years of each in the league)...if anything, Plaxico should certainly help us in the red zone (but between the 20's, I prefer Cotchery to Plax at this stage of their careers...once Jerricho's rib heal, of course).

I'd still dress Plax over Cotch because we have no problem moving the ball between the 20s without Cotchery.

steelfin
11-21-2012, 11:53 AM
IMO Burress offers nothing. They guy sucked for the Jets last year and he will suck for us.

612 yards on 48 catches and 8 TDs...With a very bad QB throwing to him.

No guarantee that he will be successful in the Burgh...but by no means did he suck last year. He could become another red zone threat for this team...and that is something we most definitely could use.

Mister Pittsburgh
11-21-2012, 12:29 PM
Hoyer seems like a solid addition and possibly beyond this year. Pretty sure the Pats don't keep dummies around and in that office you have to have an arm to make all the throws.

hawaiiansteel
11-21-2012, 03:54 PM
Brian Hoyer Could Help Steelers With Quarterback Depth In Short & Long Terms

Nov 21st, 2012 by Dominic Di Tolla

http://nicepickcowher.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/58/files/2012/11/6474734-192x300.jpg

While the Plaxico Burress signing has garnered most of the headlines around “Steeler Nation” over the last day and a half, Pittsburgh’s Front Office also added another player to their roster on Tuesday afternoon. Due to the team’s immense and dire need of depth at the Quarterback position, the Steelers signed former New England Patriot Brian Hoyer to their roster. Although the pick-up of Burress will be a more meaningful move as far as the 2012 season goes, I personally feel like the signing of Hoyer could be yet another solid move made by G.M. Kevin Colbert & The Front Office. In fact, I believe that Pittsburgh is actually an ideal setting for a Quarterback like Hoyer, and both parties should be able to benefit from the deal.

Hoyer’s Career (2009-2011)

So who exactly is Brian Hoyer, and where did he come from? Well for those of you readers unsure or unaware, Hoyer held the clipboard as Tom Brady’s top understudy in New England, and beat out three veteran Quarterbacks as an Undrafted Free Agent to make the team in 2009. Over his three seasons in New England, Brian saw only a small amount of game-time (27 for 43, 286 Yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 80.2 QB Rating, 1 Rush TD), but was nevertheless able to work in one of the best environment’s for a young Quarterback. It is not often that UDFA’s are exposed to the teachings and work-ethic of people like his Quarterbacks Coach/Offensive Coordinator Bill O’Brien and Ugg Spokesman and a Three-time Super Bowl winner like Brady.

Unfortunately for Hoyer, his time in New England ended prematurely and probably had everything to do with the rest of the then-Quarterback-needy teams passing on Ryan Mallett in the 2011 N.F.L. Draft. Mallett, a guy I believed was the best pure-passer and possessed the best potential N.F.L. skill-set (arm-strength and knowledge of passing game) in that Draft Class lasted until the end of the 3rd Round that season due to some character concerns. To their credit, the Patriots jumped at the chance to take a 1st-Round talent like Mallett so late in the Draft process, and used the luxury they had with Hoyer and Brady in front of him and allow their 3rd Round selection to develop. This season however, New England felt like Mallett was their Quarterback of the future. As the #3 Quarterback and set to make $1.9 million dollars (RFA Tender), Hoyer who became the odd-man-out this past August, and was cut.

How the Steelers & Hoyer Can Benefit

With Hoyer on the roster now, the Steelers can properly gauge how well the 4th year pro picks up the Offense and whether or not he can compete for a roster spot next season with six regular season games and an entire offseason under his belt. Remember, both Batch (38 years old in 2013) and Leftwich (33 years old in 2013) will be potential Unrestricted Free Agents next season, and I have a hard time believing that the Steelers would bring both if either of them back unless Hoyer is a complete and total flop. Plus, the former Spartan will have the chance to learn under Coordinator Todd Haley, Quarterbacks Coach Randy Fichtner, as well as Roethlisberger and maybe even one of the elder statesmen over the coming seasons as he continues his development. If Hoyer eventually succeeds and earns a backup spot with the team, he could definitely help to shore up Pittsburgh’s backup Quarterback position and entrench himself as “The Guy..Behind The Guy” (“Swingers” reference I know) as the #2 Quarterback on Pittsburgh’s Depth Chart.

Final Thoughts

Pittsburgh needed to find some way to bolster their depth at Quarterback in the present and in the future, and I believe this move to sign Hoyer can accomplish both goals. I simply want the Steelers to have some sort of capable, younger (sorry Charlie), and non-injury prone option to turn to if Roethlisberger ever goes down for a significant period of time in the future. Although the 6’2″ 215 lb. Hoyer is not an elite athlete, he has learned from some of the best Teachers and Students at the craft (O’Brien & Brady), and has displayed enough of a skill-set to establish himself as a legitimate #2 on an N.F.L. roster.

Whether it is Hoyer or somebody else, the Steelers need to have a non-injury prone/non-elderly backup option behind Big Ben sooner as opposed to later. This will be especially the case when Big Ben enters his mid-30′s and a decade-plus of hits and injuries begin to really take their toll. If this situation eventually happens and Roethlisberger goes down again, I earnestly hope that Hoyer, another Free Agent, or another Draft Pick can fill in and play adequately.

Hoyer has a golden opportunity to learn and continue to develop behind and under some of the N.F.L.’s best in Pittsburgh. With the uncertainty behind Big Ben, Hoyer will likely be given every chance to wrestle the #2 spot away from Batch and Leftwich between now and the beginning of the 2013 season as well. I am crossing my fingers that this deal works out well for both parties.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/11/21/brian-hoyer-could-help-steelers-with-quarterback-depth-in-short-long-terms/

Oviedo
11-21-2012, 04:02 PM
Brian Hoyer Could Help Steelers With Quarterback Depth In Short & Long Terms

Nov 21st, 2012 by Dominic Di Tolla

http://nicepickcowher.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/58/files/2012/11/6474734-192x300.jpg

While the Plaxico Burress signing has garnered most of the headlines around “Steeler Nation” over the last day and a half, Pittsburgh’s Front Office also added another player to their roster on Tuesday afternoon. Due to the team’s immense and dire need of depth at the Quarterback position, the Steelers signed former New England Patriot Brian Hoyer to their roster. Although the pick-up of Burress will be a more meaningful move as far as the 2012 season goes, I personally feel like the signing of Hoyer could be yet another solid move made by G.M. Kevin Colbert & The Front Office. In fact, I believe that Pittsburgh is actually an ideal setting for a Quarterback like Hoyer, and both parties should be able to benefit from the deal.

Hoyer’s Career (2009-2011)

So who exactly is Brian Hoyer, and where did he come from? Well for those of you readers unsure or unaware, Hoyer held the clipboard as Tom Brady’s top understudy in New England, and beat out three veteran Quarterbacks as an Undrafted Free Agent to make the team in 2009. Over his three seasons in New England, Brian saw only a small amount of game-time (27 for 43, 286 Yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 80.2 QB Rating, 1 Rush TD), but was nevertheless able to work in one of the best environment’s for a young Quarterback. It is not often that UDFA’s are exposed to the teachings and work-ethic of people like his Quarterbacks Coach/Offensive Coordinator Bill O’Brien and Ugg Spokesman and a Three-time Super Bowl winner like Brady.

Unfortunately for Hoyer, his time in New England ended prematurely and probably had everything to do with the rest of the then-Quarterback-needy teams passing on Ryan Mallett in the 2011 N.F.L. Draft. Mallett, a guy I believed was the best pure-passer and possessed the best potential N.F.L. skill-set (arm-strength and knowledge of passing game) in that Draft Class lasted until the end of the 3rd Round that season due to some character concerns. To their credit, the Patriots jumped at the chance to take a 1st-Round talent like Mallett so late in the Draft process, and used the luxury they had with Hoyer and Brady in front of him and allow their 3rd Round selection to develop. This season however, New England felt like Mallett was their Quarterback of the future. As the #3 Quarterback and set to make $1.9 million dollars (RFA Tender), Hoyer who became the odd-man-out this past August, and was cut.

How the Steelers & Hoyer Can Benefit

With Hoyer on the roster now, the Steelers can properly gauge how well the 4th year pro picks up the Offense and whether or not he can compete for a roster spot next season with six regular season games and an entire offseason under his belt. Remember, both Batch (38 years old in 2013) and Leftwich (33 years old in 2013) will be potential Unrestricted Free Agents next season, and I have a hard time believing that the Steelers would bring both if either of them back unless Hoyer is a complete and total flop. Plus, the former Spartan will have the chance to learn under Coordinator Todd Haley, Quarterbacks Coach Randy Fichtner, as well as Roethlisberger and maybe even one of the elder statesmen over the coming seasons as he continues his development. If Hoyer eventually succeeds and earns a backup spot with the team, he could definitely help to shore up Pittsburgh’s backup Quarterback position and entrench himself as “The Guy..Behind The Guy” (“Swingers” reference I know) as the #2 Quarterback on Pittsburgh’s Depth Chart.

Final Thoughts

Pittsburgh needed to find some way to bolster their depth at Quarterback in the present and in the future, and I believe this move to sign Hoyer can accomplish both goals. I simply want the Steelers to have some sort of capable, younger (sorry Charlie), and non-injury prone option to turn to if Roethlisberger ever goes down for a significant period of time in the future. Although the 6’2″ 215 lb. Hoyer is not an elite athlete, he has learned from some of the best Teachers and Students at the craft (O’Brien & Brady), and has displayed enough of a skill-set to establish himself as a legitimate #2 on an N.F.L. roster.

Whether it is Hoyer or somebody else, the Steelers need to have a non-injury prone/non-elderly backup option behind Big Ben sooner as opposed to later. This will be especially the case when Big Ben enters his mid-30′s and a decade-plus of hits and injuries begin to really take their toll. If this situation eventually happens and Roethlisberger goes down again, I earnestly hope that Hoyer, another Free Agent, or another Draft Pick can fill in and play adequately.

Hoyer has a golden opportunity to learn and continue to develop behind and under some of the N.F.L.’s best in Pittsburgh. With the uncertainty behind Big Ben, Hoyer will likely be given every chance to wrestle the #2 spot away from Batch and Leftwich between now and the beginning of the 2013 season as well. I am crossing my fingers that this deal works out well for both parties.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/11/21/brian-hoyer-could-help-steelers-with-quarterback-depth-in-short-long-terms/

A little bit of positivity and sunshine into the past two weeks of the "Dark Ages"

squidkid
11-21-2012, 04:18 PM
612 yards on 48 catches and 8 TDs...With a very bad QB throwing to him.

No guarantee that he will be successful in the Burgh...but by no means did he suck last year. He could become another red zone threat for this team...and that is something we most definitely could use.


with those numbers we should give him 8-9 million

steelfin
11-21-2012, 04:43 PM
with those numbers we should give him 8-9 million


LOL...He is a stop gap...probably for the rest of this season only.

7 UP
11-21-2012, 05:09 PM
IMO Burress offers nothing. They guy sucked for the Jets last year and he will suck for us.

Exactly. Burress was terrible last year. His route running was awful. I really dont see anything this guy brings to the table. Im glad someone out there agrees. Everyone is convinced 2001 2002 Plax Burress is coming back, and thats not the guy we are getting.

squidkid
11-21-2012, 05:12 PM
LOL...He is a stop gap...probably for the rest of this season only.


i was being sarcastic.
there are plenty of posters here that say 'Look at wallaces td totals, give him 10-12 million per year'
if 10 tds are worth 10-12, 8 would be worth 8-9

squidkid
11-21-2012, 05:13 PM
Exactly. Burress was terrible last year. His route running was awful. I really dont see anything this guy brings to the table. Im glad someone out there agrees. Everyone is convinced 2001 2002 Plax Burress is coming back, and thats not the guy we are getting.

what were burress' numbers last year?

eniparadoxgma
11-21-2012, 05:16 PM
what were burress' numbers last year?

http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39202-Brian-Hoyer-signs?p=534103&viewfull=1#post534103

(or just scroll upwards a bit)

Snatch98
11-21-2012, 05:20 PM
612 yards on 48 catches and 8 TDs...With a very bad QB throwing to him.

No guarantee that he will be successful in the Burgh...but by no means did he suck last year. He could become another red zone threat for this team...and that is something we most definitely could use.

His numbers were very solid all things considered. He wasn't the number one option with Holmes in the fold and as already mentioned Sanchez is a marginal QB. I'll take those kind of numbers all day long for the Steelers.

Mister Pittsburgh
11-21-2012, 05:35 PM
what were burress' numbers last year?

Way better than he is being given credit for. Especially with Mark Sanchez tossing him the ball.

7 UP
11-21-2012, 06:56 PM
Since when is 612yds for a NFL starting WR "solid". What his numbers were, was below average. Keep in mind of his 8 TDs 3 of them came in one game.

Did it ever occur to anybody that poor receiver play has contributed to Sanchez' decline in play? Mason and Burress would have been a great 2 and 3 combo back in 2000.

Chadman
11-21-2012, 10:02 PM
Since when is 612yds for a NFL starting WR "solid". What his numbers were, was below average. Keep in mind of his 8 TDs 3 of them came in one game.

Did it ever occur to anybody that poor receiver play has contributed to Sanchez' decline in play? Mason and Burress would have been a great 2 and 3 combo back in 2000.

Be fair- Burress was the 3rd WR on a poor passing team. What were Sanders numbers last year?

Mister Pittsburgh
11-22-2012, 12:55 AM
Be fair- Burress was the 3rd WR on a poor passing team. What were Sanders numbers last year?
Ben is one of the top QB's in the league and already has chemistry with Plax.

hawaiiansteel
11-22-2012, 03:04 AM
Ben is one of the top QB's in the league and already has chemistry with Plax.

Ben finally has the big WR he's been asking for since Plax left....

Oviedo
11-22-2012, 09:17 AM
Ben is one of the top QB's in the league and already has chemistry with Plax.


...and Ben is on the sideline and we don't know if he will even play again this season. So much for chemistry.

NJ-STEELER
11-22-2012, 10:14 AM
or maybe they just wanted someone over 6 feet tall weighing over 190 LBs who can be physical with opposite corners.

who on the roster gave us that?

maybe he canalso hold onto the ball while being tackled

NJ-STEELER
11-22-2012, 10:18 AM
Did it ever occur to anybody that poor receiver play has contributed to Sanchez' decline in play? Mason and Burress would have been a great 2 and 3 combo back in 2000.

wow, tune into a jets game and it will be pretty clear to ya.

Sugar
11-22-2012, 10:24 AM
...and Ben is on the sideline and we don't know if he will even play again this season. So much for chemistry.

BINGO!! We also don't know how long AB and Cotch will be out. For all we know, Plax will be gone by the time Ben comes back.

Keyplay1
11-22-2012, 02:04 PM
Plax was said to be in excellent condition and picked things up very quickly. Hoyer should pick up enough of the offense to be useful. He apparently has a quick release and a pretty strong arm. You Tube has a short 8 second clip on him throwing a TD pass vs Miami in wk 17 2010 and he lets it go from either the 45 or 50 yd line and hits the receiver 5yds deep in the EZ.

I think both will be ready for this weeks game and both will see action.

TS will practice today. DeCastro will also practice. There should be some telling videos on all three players on TS official site by Friday night. Hopefully, those quite lengthy videos will not be all blah blah blah!

hawaiiansteel
11-22-2012, 03:15 PM
I think both will be ready for this weeks game and both will see action.



I hope the only action Hoyer sees is holding a clipboard.

Keyplay1
11-23-2012, 08:19 AM
I hope the only action Hoyer sees is holding a clipboard.

I do see your point. I was thinking more along the lines of some late 4thQ mop up duty with the game in hand. Uhh! Not really.

Oviedo
11-23-2012, 08:43 AM
I do see your point. I was thinking more along the lines of some late 4thQ mop up duty with the game in hand. Uhh! Not really.

The only way Hoyer sees action is if Batch is hurt and we are down to one QB...again!

Shawn
11-23-2012, 09:40 AM
I would almost rather take my chances with Hoyer than Batch. I'm afraid Batch is going to break a hip.

Keyplay1
11-23-2012, 11:18 AM
I would almost rather take my chances with Hoyer than Batch. I'm afraid Batch is going to break a hip.

That is always a possibility. Then we would be forced to play a young QB with a limited time in the offense.

There is another thread going on now called FO Fail. It mostly dealt with the keeping of both aging QB's and letting the promising Jerrod Johnson go.

Very early in that thread I was going to reply also questioning why he was cut and then not even considered for the practice squad. I even went so far as to say I truly believed had they kept him the Steelers would have won last weeks game. But I did not submit the post.

Then as it turned out I was really surprised how many fans also were not thrilled with letting JJ go. At least by now he would certainly know the playbook.

Anyway the reason I did not submit the post was 1. I could not remember which one of the other QB's were not in my final 53 and 2. I figured there must have been something in JJ's game I missed. Considering he did not even get on the practice squads of any other team either. But, frankly I have no idea what this flaw could have been. Anyone know?

As it turns out this Hoyer signing is probably a very good move. He at least has faced NFL defenses. Even though in really late game mop ups but still?

Earlier this season both Phillyesq and me too very strongly liked that Nick Foles from the Eagles. I even went so far as to say the best thing that could happen to the Eagles was for Vick to get dinged. But when confronted with NFL defenses Foles really struggled. [being polite]

Anyway if needed at least Hoyer has faced NFL defenses in the past.

btw: Phillyesq if you read this post , don't feel lonesome. We were in good company on Foles. Jimmy Johnson said the same thing on TV and I think picked the Eagles to win Sunday.

fezziwig
11-23-2012, 11:23 AM
I keep thinking about how we had Willie Williams come back to the team and we went to and won a Super Bowl that season. I hope the same Karma generates with Plax returning.
As for this QB weve just signed, I hope we don't need to find out too soon what his abilities are but, I hope he is good enough that the coaches see something in him and that he could be a quality backup if ever needed.

Oviedo
11-23-2012, 12:36 PM
That is always a possibility. Then we would be forced to play a young QB with a limited time in the offense.

There is another thread going on now called FO Fail. It mostly dealt with the keeping of both aging QB's and letting the promising Jerrod Johnson go.

Very early in that thread I was going to reply also questioning why he was cut and then not even considered for the practice squad. I even went so far as to say I truly believed had they kept him the Steelers would have won last weeks game. But I did not submit the post.

Then as it turned out I was really surprised how many fans also were not thrilled with letting JJ go. At least by now he would certainly know the playbook.

Anyway the reason I did not submit the post was 1. I could not remember which one of the other QB's were not in my final 53 and 2. I figured there must have been something in JJ's game I missed. Considering he did not even get on the practice squads of any other team either. But, frankly I have no idea what this flaw could have been. Anyone know?

As it turns out this Hoyer signing is probably a very good move. He at least has faced NFL defenses. Even though in really late game mop ups but still?

Earlier this season both Phillyesq and me too very strongly liked that Nick Foles from the Eagles. I even went so far as to say the best thing that could happen to the Eagles was for Vick to get dinged. But when confronted with NFL defenses Foles really struggled. [being polite]

Anyway if needed at least Hoyer has faced NFL defenses in the past.

btw: Phillyesq if you read this post , don't feel lonesome. We were in good company on Foles. Jimmy Johnson said the same thing on TV and I think picked the Eagles to win Sunday.

I really like the Hoyer pick up. He comes from a system that gets the most they can out of players and he spent four years with probably one of the best QBs in NFL history. The Patriots offense is very much like what Haley is installing here. If he knew the playbook Hoyer might be a better option than Batch this weekend.

I guess I was less impressed with Jerod Johnson than many on the board. He played well against guys who aren't in the NFL anymore, but did he really impress as someone who could hold down the position for 2-3 games. I think Hoyer is more that type of QB.

feltdizz
11-23-2012, 04:25 PM
Way better than he is being given credit for. Especially with Mark Sanchez tossing him the ball.

Bingo... ....

feltdizz
11-23-2012, 04:30 PM
I would almost rather take my chances with Hoyer than Batch. I'm afraid Batch is going to break a hip.

Not me... if Batch breaks a hip, he breaks a hip. I prefer someone who knows our system and has some chemistry with the WR's over a newbie fresh off the street.

..and those who thought Foley would work in Philly, yeah... Philly back ups are always the answer until they start a game or 2.

Shawn
11-23-2012, 05:19 PM
Aight well get with me after the Browns game. Let me know how it works out.

RuthlessBurgher
11-23-2012, 05:34 PM
if Batch breaks a hip, he breaks a hip.

http://images-2.redbubble.net/img/clothing/bodycolor:black/size:large/style:mens/view:main/2558668-3-ivan-drago-comic-book-style-if-he-dies-he-dies.jpg

steelblood
11-24-2012, 09:42 AM
Yup...in that sucky Jets season coming in rusty after 2 years out of the league with a prison stay and Sanchez throwing him the ball, he still had the same number of TD catches that Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders have for their entire NFL careers combined (and that would be 5 total NFL seasons...2.5 years of each in the league)...if anything, Plaxico should certainly help us in the red zone (but between the 20's, I prefer Cotchery to Plax at this stage of their careers...once Jerricho's rib heal, of course).

Good points.

feltdizz
11-24-2012, 12:18 PM
Aight well get with me after the Browns game. Let me know how it works out.

I'm pretty sure we will both know how it works out after the Browns game.

Shawn
11-25-2012, 05:28 PM
I'm pretty sure we will both know how it works out after the Browns game.

So was it good for you? Need a cigarette?